Low Testosterone? - First prescription UK

After my low blood test results I went on to speak with a Dr at Optimale. Following that consultation I received my first prescription in the post. I discuss the options I had and what I eventually chose to do. If you are suffering from tiredness, lack of libido, aches and pains, overweight it could be your hormones. It is well worth checking out. I used Optimale, so far they have been superb and very affordable. Check the other vidoes in this playlist to watch from start to now..
Use code PAULB20 for a discount!
www.optimale.c...

[@aprilialover125]

Great decision mate. Hope you get the desired effects the same way I did. You got all the science right on the money but my pro tip would be to increase injection frequency if you start to experience any negative side effects. Can't wait for the updates!!! Good luck

[@JayFromBlighty]

Another interesting, informative video. Cheers mate.

[@thatgearguy]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@robnaugle4149]

Bald man that wears a hat, acknowledging his baldness. Don't see that too often. Based.

[@thatgearguy]

🤣

[@TheDJChart]

Good luck going forward. What may be another option: There are also testosterone pellets, that get injected and last for a few months, providing a constant stream of testosterone. I don't know how the situation in the UK is, but in some countries the testosterone replacement therapy can be paid for by your medical insurance.

[@HLB2512]

Been wanting todo this for a while now, just used your code for a test.

[@thatgearguy]

Nice one!

[@oakzy3647]

Love your explanation style good luck with the trt

[@thatgearguy]

Thanks!

[@topbuzz1992]

Thanks for producing these videos. You’re a great communicator and it’s really helpful for guys like me. I’m the same age as you and my testosterone levels are borderline low. I recently made lifestyle changes, gym 6 days a week, diet, sleep, etc. in the hope that my numbers will improve. If they don’t improve after I’ve shifted the excess weight then TRT is the next logical step. The doctor at the clinic I had my consultation with promotes a daily ‘micro dosing’ regimen to reduce fluctuations in test levels and minimise side effects. I’m curious to see how you get on with 2 shots a week. I’m also curious about international travel. I guess if you have a prescription it’s fine. But I’m not sure I’d fancy explaining to some overly officious customs officer, in a country with super strict laws, why I’ve got testosterone and hypodermic needles in my suitcase 😅

[@thatgearguy]

Yes that is a consideration. But at he end of the day no different to what a diabetic would need to do. I have travelled with script meds before and they didnt even glance at them. No wonder so much stuff gets smuggled!

[@kosukekoichi8666]

A trt channel that sounds like a soccer match between Liverpool and Man U

[@justinengland9814]

How?

[@farangtravels3956]

I believe micro dosing is the way to go?

[@FromEssextoMaine]

Good luck Gear Guy.I too was never able to father a child,and 6 rounds of fertility failed with my wife.Always very active blue collar worker quite muscular,but do wonder if I also had endocrine issues my whole life?I didn't have a ballpark reading to go by on levels when I was younger to decipher if I was always low,but like you I noticed a huge drop off around the age of 48.

[@mmff5242]

good luck. I took it in the usa and it was like being reborn. look out ladies haha ;) all the best.

[@thatgearguy]

Fingers crossed!

[@tbrowniscool]

@@thatgearguy it's took about 3 weeks for me to feel the difference. Noticed better sleep, morning wood and loss of fat and muscle build up (without a ton of gym work) it's changed my whole body composition. The only side effects I have had is a little bit of acne on my shoulders but nothing bad. I think your making a great step forward, I tried the NHS and they messed me about for nearly a year. Really glad it turned out the way it has

[@waylander73uk18]

Really interested in this series as this is something I am on the cusp of undergoing myself as I am over 50 now and gym and bedroom suffering more and more, curious to see if I can use my private medical (UK) to get this done.

[@ReliableDriversLimit]

Just starting with Optimale; thanks for the heads up. Regards Chris.

[@thatgearguy]

Best of luck!

[@TazkoHoZabit]

Great decision! Not only you but also your wife will be surprised :D

[@thatgearguy]

Does that mean she won't clank the pots and pans around and deny being angry?

[@TazkoHoZabit]

@@thatgearguy Exactly, there is a high chance that she will have enough and hide from you 😊

[@letsdothis9063]

Ive benn on TRT for about 2months. Definitely got my test back up, but im not really seeing the "life-changing" results. From what i understand, it can take several months to see a big difference for some people. So im going to stick with it.

[@kevinmccreamotivationandwe3054]

High mate I use insulin needles with cypionate 3 times a week,dfinatley better than using the harpoons.👍

[@thatgearguy]

I am not at all fussed about 25g needles. For others this may be a deal breaker.

[@kevinmccreamotivationandwe3054]

​@@thatgearguyyou will be after a while mate as the scar tissue builds up,good thing with the insulin pins,hardly any damage,take a bit longer to load and administer but worth it in the long run,trust me,👍

[@ironpirate8]

Interesting stuff. I'm just coming up on 40. I wouldn't have a clue what my test levels are, and I have often thought it would be interesting to have a blood test and look at all the components. I don't even know my blood type. Maybe I should go and give blood! 😄

[@Twanger..]

Can I ask how much they're charging for the treatment please? Before ordering the blood test I'd like to know if I can afford the treatment long term ideally.. Thanks!

[@thatgearguy]

Sure the option I chose - Sustanon, was £60 per month. The Cypionate was £100 and the cream was £60

[@Twanger..]

@@thatgearguy OK great, thanks for that!

[@Twanger..]

Code used (worth it folks) and ordered, thanks.

[@petewatson9866]

Taking Sustanon 250 for low testosterone is a big hit? £100 per month is big money.

[@thatgearguy]

The sustanon is £60 per month

[@letsdothis9063]

I'm in the USA and cypionate is $25-$35 for a 10ml @200mg/per ml vial at Walgreens (chain pharmacy). Most places don't like to do the 10ml vials because of supposed degradation issues, but Walgreens does for sure. I have been getting blood tests pretty regularly, and there doesn't seem to be any loss of potency by the time I'm done with a vial. So at 1ml/200mg a week, that's $25-$35 for a two and a half month supply. Syringes are pretty cheap. This is, however being prescribed by a Doctor that I already see regularly for a different health problem. If you don't already have a family doctor with a subscription type of payment plan, then I would advise going through the company mentioned on the video. I know guys that are paying more than $250 a month at places that are a lot less professional than the company mentioned above. One guy in particular has been paying $300 a month, for 10yrs from a Doctor that advertised on Craigslist. He hasn't submitted a blood test since the very first one (sounded like it was bogus anyway).

[@Jdac333]

@@thatgearguymate. I could literally get 6 months worth of pharma grade enanthate for £40. The clinics are taking the piss out of us…

[@Lonewolf__666]

@@Jdac333where from?

[@rangerwhite5165]

I'm 55 and have thought about going on this. Everything is still working downstairs and the training is ok. I'm worried once you start on it, everything else will switch off natural production. Quite a few of my peers use it. A gel rubbed on the chest once a day. There's a history of prostate cancer in the family, so it's risky.

[@thatgearguy]

Natural production will switch off if you start. But if natural production is through the floor then nothing is really lost there..

[@rangerwhite5165]

@@thatgearguy The wood is still ok and I can still lift, so I'll hold off for now!

[@corneliusthecrowtamer1937]

Hell yeah, no shame in utilizing modern medicine. It will be interesting to see if you visibly change in any ways as the TRT starts to take effect. That preparation is both fast and slow acting so I'm curious to see if you notice a difference sooner rather than later.

[@Spiderwebsider]

IMO there are “normal” test levels, and then there are “optimal” test levels. I had all the symptoms of low test but a blood test showed that mine was within the normal range (at the lower end). I tried all the supplements and other “natural” methods and they made little or no difference. So what next? Well in Australia you virtually have to be a eunuch to get TRT (which is in stark contrast to how the system looks after menopausal women btw), so the only option is to self medicate. That’s what I did, and within a few weeks of low-dose test I was back to being “me” again. Is this the right way to do it? Absolutely not. But what choice do we men have? The medical system is not geared up to treat the andropause at all; in fact it actively discourages treatment until your hormonal levels have reached rock bottom. And one further point: when were these “normal” test levels measured and set as the benchmark? They say that test levels in men have been falling for decades, so would today’s “normal” have been considered low in the 1960s or ‘70s? If so, why are we using these historically low levels as the benchmark? All in all, I think that the medical system is failing us men badly in this respect.

[@justinengland9814]

It will be a trail and error period now and you will work it out as you go?

[@philemmett3122]

I found when i used Sustonon 250 in my training days, i would put the vial in a sink of warm water to thin up the test so it injected easier. Not sure if your doctor recommends this but seemed ok with me.

[@thatgearguy]

Good tip!

[@tarquinwagstaffe3078]

You may want to look at HCG. ( Not HGC )

[@thatgearguy]

Yes we talked about this. It can be useful for those with a healthy sperm count prior to TRT especially if they have future baby plans. For me, not so much..

[@tbrowniscool]

@@thatgearguy Also stops your balls shrinking to raisins

[@Twanger..]

Once they've got your samples back, do they charge you for the video call consultation after? (think I read they want to discuss options that way?) thanks

[@thatgearguy]

Yes, The Drs consultation is charged at around £70. Once you are on a monthly payment for your treatment and follow ups or further consultation is included in the price so no hidden fees. All in you are looking at around £170 before treatment begins (2 blood tests and consultation) followed by the monthly charge depending on which treatment you choose (mine was £60 per month). Given that the average price of black market testosterone is about £40 per month I would say it is worth the extra £20. 1. You are not breaking any laws or dealing with dodgy folk. 2. You know you are getting the right stuff at the right strength. 3. You get regular bloodwork reviewed by professionals who can spot any serious issues.

[@Twanger..]

@@thatgearguy thanks for the in depth reply. So, having said all that - if my levels are higher than required for treatment, will I have to be charged £70 to be told that? Or do they send results back for you to overlook yourself, before video discussion? Thanks.

[@Louuns]

You're mildly wrong about test pills, they do make test u pills which basically megadose of the very long ester and hope some absorbs. Obviously this is not ideal, much better off with injections. Also subcutaneous injections will absorb slower than intramuscular which is something to consider. Burns though. 2x weekly sust is fine seems like the doctor really knows his stuff. Much better than nhs 1g test u every 12 weeks where you feel like shit for the last 4 weeks and have to go and get them to inject it for you. You'll be fine injecting with short 27g needles which you'll have to purchase from a medical supply company. Sharper than those awful unisharp needle exchange needles though. Maybe in your shoulders not arse though if you have a bit of fat better off with the 25g.

[@thatgearguy]

The pills are called Andriol. They totally suck because they have such a short useful life in the body. To stabilize blood levels with those would require regular daily dosing. They will also exert more impact on liver and kidneys as they will work overtime to get rid of them.

[@SaltandPepperX]

Why pay for Syringes/Needles ? You get them for free at the drug clinic

[@thatgearguy]

Because I dont like standing around with a bunch of junkies and being spoken to like an addict by a 22yr old vegan counsellor.

[@SaltandPepperX]

@@thatgearguy hmm no idea where you go but i can understand at some places you'd feel like that However you are in and straight out even make an appointment and explain why you are there it'll be on file (false name if you wish) and you just shut down the young 22yr old vegan counsellor because you do NOT need a session from them to go to these places, just just walk in and walk out within 5mins. I live in the UK and for many decades i have done this from bodybuilding & trt, with trt you can just do to your doctors and get them too.

[@SaltandPepperX]

@@thatgearguy "22yr old vegan counsellor" that was so funny and true 🤣 hope things work out my friend it's the best thing you can do for sure 🙂

[@snirge]

Very interesting -- do you know if the cream is equally as effective as the injections?

[@thatgearguy]

It is if used correctly.

[@sickboy8682]

Wait. What.....? 1.6ml twice a week of sus 250? That's over 750mg a week. Bro, that can't be right. Your starting dose at your age should be around 125mg a week and that's if you're healthy but with toilet level natural test levels. Any dose over 250mg a week of sus250 will put you in the super physiological range.

[@thatgearguy]

Yes might have got that dose wrong! 1.6 on a 1ml syringe is what I meant!!

[@Brewbug]

I was wondering about that. Bit of a major miss that you might want to mention in a sticky comment.

[@sickboy8682]

@@thatgearguy thank God for that, you'd have blown your blood pressure and cholesterol through the roof!

[@fancypantsstungrenades9221]

Do you know how many milligrams a week it works out

[@thatgearguy]

Approx 100mg

[@doglubber70]

Video your injection experience??

[@thatgearguy]

I thought about it. Not something some people are comfortable seeing and it has limited value really.

[@gaminginfrench]

Hey mate, you can get nandralone decanoate prescibed for joint support in conjunction with TRT. It's helped me a lot with tendonitis and back pain. Sounds like we have had similar issues.

[@DreweTube]

Have you managed to get that prescribed off license in the UK mate ? Trt has worked wonders for me but my elbows and knees hurt like fuck 24 /7 especially after a gym session to the point i can't sleep. NHS has failed to find anything

[@gaminginfrench]

@@DreweTube I don't know mate I'm Australian. Should be fine tho

[@Jdac333]

@@gaminginfrenchno you can’t In the U.K.

[@LeePriestsMascaraBrush]

Earnings video please!

[@thatgearguy]

Coming!

[@Romulus609]

I had hit the link last time but I only seen it available for the UK. I didn’t see anything for the USA… lmk if u know if I maybe doing something wrong or any guidance at all

[@thatgearguy]

Hi bud, yes it is UK only unfortunately. The US has been offering TRT far longer than UK. There will be a reputeable clinic near you. Just jump on google and find the option which is convenient and near to you.

[@demondayuk]

Great channel! Love the fitness advice for us older guys. Could I just ask; you got into pretty good shape through diet and training. Has your testosterone dropped since then, or do you reckon it was low when you accomplished your transformation? I'd always been told it was next to impossible to build muscle with low T, but perhaps that's just a myth?

[@thatgearguy]

My symptoms really came about in the last 12 months. My training became increasingly difficult as did maintaining physique. I may have been genetically quite low then training and diet sent it off a cliff.

[@demondayuk]

​@@thatgearguyThanks for the honest answer. You had me in stitches with your "Don't go hugging your wife with testosterone cream on, she might grow a beard" 😂

[@laurimattsson4594]

@@demondayuk BS there is T Cream for ladies. They take about 10th of male dose. So absolutely no worries of growing bear if small contamination.

[@demondayuk]

@laurimattsson4594 I wouldn't go rubbing topical medications on a bear. It could be dangerous! 😁 ________________ laurimattsson4594 BS there is T Cream for ladies. They take about 10th of male dose. So absolutely no worries of growing bear if small contamination

[@ironpirate8]

Did you mention sleeping poorly in a previous video? I wonder how much difference that alone would make to test levels, if you could get 8 hours a night.

[@thatgearguy]

I sleep 8 hours a night but wake multiple times. Waking like that is a symptom of low test/estro

[@ironpirate8]

@@thatgearguy Ok gotcha, hopefully your sleep will improve soon then! It's nature's soft nurse, you know. Shakespeare came up with that, not me. 😁

[@gilgamecha]

I had this checked by the GP for similar symptoms but the results were variable - apparently test results vary a LOT in the same person from one test to the next. One was slightly below minimum one was slightly above minimum. As a result GP did not sign me off for therapy which was a shame. Will your guys give a second opinion?

[@thatgearguy]

Yes absolutely. They also work to different parameters to NHS who frankly want to save money.

[@mattg6136]

👍

[@tbrowniscool]

Ive been with Optimale for about 7 months now, game changer! Currently on 130mg Test C split into 3 doses a week + HCG. I use the optimale 1ml 29G and 30G insulin needles, can't feel a thing injecting SubQ. Not sure if I missed it in the video but why Sustanol and not Test Cyp?

[@thatgearguy]

£40 cheaper! And I have no issues with needles. So figured I would save the cash..

[@tbrowniscool]

@@thatgearguy I think it's worth the extra £40 to be fair. In for a penny in for a pound 💪. I used to spend that on a stupid phone contract every month 😔.

[@paulbates1167]

👌

[@alansmith4655]

A nurse will give you a blood test but not a sperm test, typical 😒😂

[@thatgearguy]

🤣

[@letsdothis9063]

I've got a couple of embarrassing stories along those lines. One involved shaving (down there) pre-op, and the other one involved a sponge bath, post-op. 😮

[@IgorVolyn]

It is amazing that they still prescribe sustanon which is a very bad choice for trt. The prop will peak with in 24 hours then you have longer esters. It does not take weeks to feel it. Enanthate injected every 4th day is optimal for pretty much everybody on TRT. Since the weekly dose is low taking is daily is a bad idea since you never reach high enough peaks. If you take bodybuilding doses sure split it daily but not trt. You said you take 1.6ml twice weekly that is NOT a low dose it is a bodybuilding cycle. Sustanon is 250mg per ml so 1.6ml twice is 800mg per week when a real trt dose is 100-200mg per week. You can use 27g needles fine with thick oils.

[@thatgearguy]

I meant 0.16ml, my mistake.. 1 6ml would be a little much. I will stick with the Endocrinologists advice.

[@pwotti]

So you have been a bouncer at night clubs, had fights and interactions with punters and think you have low testerosterone. I have never had a fight or argument with anyone, raised my voice to anyone, insulted anyone , even in jest for fear of affending anyone, voiced my opinion about anything, ever, for the last 40 years. Even spoken to anyone. I think I might have low testosterone, I'm very sure you don't.

[@thatgearguy]

Firstly it is low as blood results prove it to me. Secondly why do you think testosterone defines whether one can or does fight or shout? If you were correct all women would be meek and silent.

[@rossco3603]

Silly comment. I've worked the doors, played rugby and powerlift pretty decent numbers and I've just got my blood work back at 6.9 and start sustanton this week. Thankfully the NHS is funding it. I'm just older than 40 too.