The Return of Rickon - Winds of Winter predictions - Song of Ice and Fire

[@anorangetabby]

The RICKONING! You guys always deliver! Love a good Stark stream. Thank you, both!

[@airwrecka97]

Awesome stream guys! Tim’s new mic sounded great and you both were cooking! 🔥 Thanks for answering my question, I’m excited for the Cannibal video later this week! You guys rock! 🙌🤘

[@ThommyofThenn]

Thanks for being here 🐺🐺🐺

[@ThommyofThenn]

It will truly be "a time for wolves!"

[@georgeouthwaite]

years ago I remember reading about Neanderthals and how there is fossil evidence of them eating each others bone marrow, there was a theory that proposed that it could have been a sort of ritual funeral practice, like consuming and carrying the souls of your ancestors, rather than just basic cannibalism. This all seems similar to what was happening with the weirwoods in the past and I wouldn't be surprised to find that all these horror stories we hear about Skagos turn out to be misunderstandings of something much more ritualistic and magical

[@therunningman_]

The dynamic duo! Thanks to the both of you for the wonderful content

[@ThommyofThenn]

Move aside cleganebowl, cos the Day of Rickoning is approaching!

[@ThommyofThenn]

​@@Morbidaslo_officialseveral times I've sat and thought about the adventures Osha and Rickon had on their quest for Skagos. I think it's safe to assume Osha had to kick a** several times which is awesome

[@antjestube8774]

Epic work you two! Thanks for the research and the analysis!

[@ThommyofThenn]

Agreed on all points

[@IDKtheBand]

Thanks!

[@hibiscus779]

I've been dying to see Rickon go mad medieval dark on everybody. I hope he eats Walder Frei

[@devonwarmack4726]

You really are bringing light into this world… literally. Not literal light… but you are literally bringing the metaphorical light into the lives of so many (I assume) and I am one of them. Through the medium of KZbin videos and live streams usually talking about game of thrones, dance of dragons, etc. But I’ve said it before. My favorite part is the parts of yourselves, you and your fellows, your good vibes, good example of respectful, loving, caring, honest, self loving, examples you provide for everyone. Sorry when you talked about the last pet of your game in a bit more detail this video I thought about how literal it is that you changed your destiny or grabbed hold of it and at least from my perspective that I’m trying to share with you, and literally brought light into the lives of so many.

[@devonwarmack4726]

Thank you David, genuinely and from the bottom of my heart. Thank you for being an example of these things we are all so short on, and most don’t even recognize as a priority. Thank you

[@leinakaialoa3852]

Thank you so much Tim and David. It was a great stream.

[@ArielEveMachado]

Love the idea that Rickon might live! I always hate when books or shows kill off a character just for shock value and that’s what Rickon’s death in the show was

[@evanmccollum163]

I think manderly is acting unselfishly, in later books he’s acting like he’s fully prepared to die in the boltons captivity

[@jaythebookfiend1541]

Great stream, good sets! And dayum, GWT sounded good, congrats on the new equipment! More backing for LmL’s thoughts around 1:20:00-1:24:00 ish about the horned moon pointing to the Skagosi & their goats helping overthrow the Freys-along with sacrifice, we figured out during bookclub two weeks back that the horned moon (& tributes to it) is meant to protect against the Evil Eye (which your Catelyn quote has Walder Frey acting as through the murder hole). Also, unicorns are also meant to be protective forces… and in the Last Unicorn they stampede out of the sea when Amalthea frees them while King Haggard’s tower crumbles into dark water… so waves of horns & hooves from across the sea are about to quench another gross old man’s skeevy stares. Keep up the awesome work! Really looking forward to the Cannibal stream!

[@IDKtheBand]

Love all 😂the python refs!

[@UltraViolet666]

Looks like I have to go bingewatch every other livestream you've posted 😂 I wasn't sure if such long-form content was my thing, but every single thing talked about is so interesting I just can't miss a thing!

[@DavidLightbringer]

hey it's always good to have long form content for road trips, chores, etc etc 🫡

[@leslieshE]

Rickon's story is so intriguing... he is so young and yet...

[@Loreweavver]

I would expect not only the return of every child character we've seen but even another generation by the end of the story. This is a story about inherited sins.

[@moiraferreira]

Can't wait for Rickon's return!

[@samual8299]

If Wyman was simply a climber, theres many more paths with less resistance than bringing a child from skagos and trying to reclaim the north for him. I believe he loves the starks and wants to restore proper order

[@emilypennington6354]

Coming later and missing the stream❤!!! Still much love and a ton of respect for David and Tim!!! My fav asoiaf people! Both have such a natural and relatable style in my opinion ❤❤❤! Adore them both 😊

[@samirharmim]

Thank you guys again for keeping us going through The Long Night! I love all your analyses and theories ❤

[@mehgancorker7242]

I think I’m going to have to start working “mayhaps” into normal conversation.

[@ThommyofThenn]

Careful! Soon you'll be like me and using "mine own" in normal conversation 😅😅

[@mehgancorker7242]

@ as long as it never comes to calling my uncles “nuncles”

[@sommer8337]

I’ve added “methinks” and “mayhaps” like it’s just completely normal. It’s wonderful.

[@mommyofkittens4809]

I’m not sure how you’ll do it. Mayhaps you’ll find a way.

[@Liizardqueen90]

Missed most of stream live but ive just restarted this bad boy! So excited 🎉

[@ThommyofThenn]

Glad you can catch it at a time that works for you

[@solin.victus]

This was so cool to catch live. Thanks Dave, Tim and co.!

[@Zach-sx8cm]

I’m imagining Rickon showing up at the twins and the wap music starts playing, “wargs in this house, there’s some wargs in this house”!

[@JsHolgersson]

Awesome as always my good Sers! 🙏 Thank you 💙

[@WizardBarber]

I manifested this!!!

[@kamicass4408]

This stream was a banger!! Love love love it!

[@hinakhodiyara7883]

Epic stream. Thank you.

[@Henrique-Santos]

Love this duo ❤

[@jorahtheexplorer3262]

I'm surprised no one made a "where fhe wildlings are" gag

[@DavidLightbringer]

oh jeez it was right there

[@kingstoneheart9755]

After the past few months of watching all these WoW Predictions, I have finally finished and caught up! Great stream guys. As I’ve commented previously, I love the similarities between Aegon the Younger and Viserys to Bran and Rickon. Interesting to note that Wyman Manderly is plotting to be Rickon’s regent whilst a Manderly was also Aegon the Younger’s regent/hand at the end of Fire and Blood!

[@LitcheTheArsm]

What a glorious stream!

[@rashelleobey7626]

This stream was fantastic and worth the wait! Red Wedding 2.0 being the feast of Skane 2.0 in disguise is something I never considered!

[@DavidLightbringer]

nom nom

[@b0baf00t8]

Great stream. I need more WOW content in my life.

[@stackjax]

This is so late and maybe y’all say this later in the stream that I haven’t gotten to yet, (1:10:23) but thinking about Dunk talking about throwing baby Walder down the well, makes me think of Brienne, who will PROBABLY still be with Stoneheart’s party for the Red Wedding Part 2, maybe she’ll be the one to chuck him in the river/well, since she’s a dunkling descendent.

[@alpheuswoodley8435]

The 3 Eyed Crow is the shadow mind inside the tree, which acts through, but independently of, Bloodraven. This is why Bloodraven was unaware of the interactions between Bran and the 3 Eyed Crow. Bloodraven watched Bran, and sent Jojen & Myra, while the 3 Eyed Crow was teaching/changing Bran, and wants him to explore the Stark crypt.

[@Darksun93]

Great stream. The King Richard/the Neck was an interesting find. Hope the Freys get their Rickoning in the books lol

[@yellowdevil9650]

I believe I read somewhere in a GRRM interview that Holding the door means something different but similar. Hodor has a sword and Bran has been practicing swordplay in Hodors body and this is preparing Hodor to "Hold The Door", or, in Martins words, "Hold this pass" against enemies.

[@GreyWasteTim]

I didn't have a good answer for the Freyja myth stuff, but after time to marinate on the Others as former Green Men idea - all the dead tree symbolism in the sigils seem to point to that. We know the seasons are messed up and so would the seasonal changes for trees (Green leaf weirwoods?) Leaves brown in the autumn, fall off in winter, grow back in spring and turn lush in summer. The Others as Green Men are like trees that died in winter. Their leaves never grew back, and they are perpetually frozen. Points more to what lays at the Heart of Winter? Probably a great dead frozen tree with a body buried beneath, tangled in the roots, it's spirit haunting the WW net. The Others as a hive mind are also like the physical manifestation of that spirit's will.

[@martinkrog5943]

Noooo, I missed it by two hours D: Seven bloody hells!

[@anna_luin]

you were missed Martin!

[@martinkrog5943]

@@anna_luin Thanks : ) See you next time

[@ThommyofThenn]

Gods be good! You must needs watch asap Ser Krog

[@martinkrog5943]

@@ThommyofThenn Watching(and reading the chat) as we speak, m'lord ! : )

[@ThommyofThenn]

@@martinkrog5943 *nods so my chins bounce* good good

[@TeddySharp]

Sorry for not catching the stream live ❤ love the stream guys 👌

[@johnracine4589]

Tim looks like Team Rickon is blasting off agaaaaaaaain

[@Moosyfate]

Possible Manderly issue: he pledges his fealty to Rickon, and as much as he may want to support Jon, he's the kind of guy that believes in an oath and has to support Rickon if there is a fallout.

[@Kaine_Gardner]

He swore an oath to Robb. Oaths generally include swearing to obey heirs/successors, if Robbs will is revealed then Jon is his heir plain and simple. I agree with these guys on it. Manderly will not stand against Jon and I don’t think he will need to if Rickon doesn’t press his claim which he may not.

[@jenniferarmstrong8879]

1:13:47 David Lightbringer I was thinking more about the Elden Ring stream; in particular the bit about Ranni the Witch being a spirit with no body that manipulates a doll with magic. The Others also seem to be spirits that use ice magic to give themselves bodies. That lead to the question: “What would their original bodies have been?” And, I think the most obvious answer if the weirwoods. They were literal tree spirits, the faces of trees, like the one in the Blackgate. The original Green Men were the trees faces.

[@jenniferarmstrong8879]

Lol, I drafted this it notes and pasted the title of my note, “David Lightbringer” The previous comment seems super aggressive now 😅

[@jenniferarmstrong8879]

To add on, Azor Ahai sets the trees on fire in order to get the green men out of the trees. And then he kills Nissa Nissa, using her blood as part of a virtual, which would also probably involve carving a new face into the weirwood(s). It mirrors the catspaw assassin, setting the library on fire and then giving Cat the weirwood stigmata

[@DeRoest]

Has the connection been made with the old classic Disney movie "the shaggy dog" where a man turns into a dog. Put that in your Garth and smoke it.

[@DavidLightbringer]

haha no never heard of it!!

[@igotnotatoo]

Loved this stream, let's manifest Winds for 2025!! ❤🎉

[@vixey4728]

As they are talking about Hodor holding open the gate, I remembered a scene in The Lion, the witch and the wardrobe. When the monster is holding open the gate for the soldiers and he's getting hit by arrows.

[@poké-ODIN]

Team Rocket Admin Tim would like to battle!

[@Slechy_Lesh]

Here is trouble! now make it double...!

[@maatthecat3966]

Just been reading a book about Eleanor of Aquitaine and found some interesting names. Her grandmother was called Dangerosa {yes, really}. There's a bishop called Drogo, a Queen of Jerusalem named Melisende, at least 3 Counts nicknamed Martel & at least 4 called Conan. Plus Brienne was (and may still be) a town in France. GRRM loves his medieval history.

[@sommer8337]

I cannot believe I missed the LIVE Rickon stream! Dag Nabbit! Ha ha. Time for the replay! Praise be to Garth the Green, Grey Waste Tim, Rickon and Shaggy Dog, and- of course- the Lightbringer himself!

[@lilianazubyk4086]

I have a special place in my heart for the fierce and emotional Rickon. I hope that his isn’t a shaggy dog story, but a bad ass revenge story.

[@robertkulb6640]

Imagine rolling up to the Blood Feast of Skain on your unicorn goat only to realize YOU are on the menu.

[@andrayellowpenguin]

So when Lewin goes into the crypts with Bran they pass quite a few tombs before they get to Ned's. He mentions Jon Stark first, that's quite a long time ago. Also Ned sees some swords were rusted away when he goes to visit Liana's tomb with Robert. I wonder if the crypts have a tree-like structure. Because we know the oldest Starks are in the deepest levels, but Ned's isn't the last grave either. So if it was like a burried tree and Ned's tomb was in a branch and the oldest Starks were in the roots and the door was somewhere in the trunk, it would work, you'd have to pass some pretty old tombs to get to the newest tombs in a branch.

[@jsull81]

When you guys were talking about Hodor literally having to pry open the black gate and then having it squish him, it made me think of that 80s movie Krull. I don't know if you've ever seen it but one of the guys (do I believe was also a gentle giant) has to hold the door for the rest of them to get into the castle of the main bad guy but gets squished in the process

[@dizzi2304]

Love Tim’s Team Rocket shirt 😂 🫡 🚀

[@aworldofmoirairene7655]

King lobster, that's my new favorite band 🤣🤘🏽

[@Magmafrost13]

Elasmotherium is an extinct woolly rhino that is often called the real life unicorn. Though more recent research suggests it did not in fact have a giant horn

[@alonnawood]

love talking about eating freys! great stream 🎉

[@anna_luin]

❤‍🔥❤‍🔥

[@thelateescapist8266]

I came to the conclusion that Rickon will be Bran's heir a while ago, because I have a different view of the ramifications of Shaggy Dog's name. The point of a Shaggy dog story is not that it's ending is meaningless, the point is that it goes on and on and on, and therefore it's ending is less important than its length. So Rickon naming his wolf Shaggy Dog doesn't foreshadow his meandering life leading to a pointless death, it foreshadows his story going on beyond the the narrative of the novels. Btw, I suspect that Bran will be king of the North and the Riverlands with Rickon as his heir by the end of the story, not the Seven Kingdoms. But this will be very important because the worship of the old gods is strongest in the North and the Riverlands and the power of the old gods will see a resurgence under Bran. I don't think that the institutions of the Iron Throne or a royal house will survive the Long Night. I suspect by the end of the story most of the Seven Kingdoms will rule themselves, perhaps under the guidance of a Stark or old gods hegemony.

[@DavidLightbringer]

I like that take thank you

[@CharmagnCody-mw6zr]

I just had to double check that I'm%%%

[@Dani_1012]

Finally, I've been dying to see more theories about Rickon because everyone just sort of assumed that George wasn't going to have enough time to dwell too much with Rickon and just dismissed his role in the story. Remember, George's favorite house is Stark, it all started with them

[@motorcitymangababe]

1:11:35 you know... I wonder if a panicked Sansa separated from Little finger could bluff her way into a Mountain Clan Army by playing the "Wife of the Halfman" card. I think she could- especially if she had a warg bond by then. It would also be a dope way to bring back Tyrion's mountain men!

[@GoldenCompany-j2k]

Awesome.

[@willybiggs-rj6qt]

lots of symbols for skagos down to rvl, except for the geographic distance. i guess the skags get their boats back

[@jenniferarmstrong8879]

25:01 I feel like Blood Raven could probably see that Bran or a child like him (A stark boy?) was going to be his successor. Like the weirwoods are eternal and allow you to become unstuck from the regular flow of time. Like I can imagine, Blood Raven having visions of his death and seeing a some echo of Bran there

[@linpittsburgh2375]

2:19:03 green is for jealousy. So the jealous creature eats its own and possesses everything, maybe?

[@yoohoosandman]

Benjamin Gunn, Ben Gunn, Benjen. In Treasure Island he's the one from the original crew they find stranded on the island looking for the treasure. He's also played by Miss Piggy in Muppet Treasure Island

[@yoohoosandman]

Kermit plays Captain Smollet... Ed Tollet. ET=AA=KTF

[@seanburgess7002]

Walda walda waalllddaaa!! waallllda! 🎵🎶 😂

[@olivesfuhhhhh89]

"If I were a wolf 🐺, I'd free all my Starks" 🎶I love 'em, love 'em, baby🎶 😂😂😂

[@NightDweller]

Finally my goat Rickon Stark getting the limelight raaaaaaah 🗣️🗣️🗣️🐺🐺🐺🐺

[@natedavis1005]

I know some have argued that Rickon is stronger than Bran since he was already in the crypt after Ned’s death. But they are glossing over that Bran is paralyzed and he has to wait for Hodor to come and strap him into the basket and then head down. I just find it unlikely that two Greenseers are born that close together when it should be like 1 in a million chance you are even born one.

[@emmyland3162]

The perfect betrothal for Rickon is Shireen. Up to 55mins and it’s bedtime here in Australi-os, apologies if it’s revisited!

[@groudy11]

dude i love little bear when i was a kid i memorized that book! and also danny and the dinosaur!! good times good times!

[@quentongilliam5803]

LML is most Def invited to the cookout!!!!!!✊🏿

[@Slechy_Lesh]

51:55 if Jon leads the Others into Westeros, how will he be accepted as any kind of king after that..? Maybe as he leads their invasion, they reveal their strength - perhaps ice dragons or the sheer amount of Others there actually are. And he turns on them and deals a decisive blow in spite of this - leading to people accepting his leadership

[@therunningman_]

How fast did Tim run during that restroom break? Ludicrous speed?

[@Welleher]

The Red Wedding being a "Feast turned Murder" and the Reverse Red Wedding being a "Murder turned Feast" would be gruesomely ironic.

[@lukemitchell8182]

Hodor theory opening the black gate if true just means GRRM watched Chronicles of Narnia Prince Caspian

[@sinthoras1917]

It's gonna be great, and utterly put the show to shame

[@samclontsii3548]

David, love your videos…how do you reconcile the Schrodinger’s Cat that are your theories??? Do you look forward to the books possibly confirming them, or are you apprehensive about them and possibly “invalidating” them?

[@DavidLightbringer]

oh no let the chips fall where they may I just want the story. I'm just trying to tease out what we have the best I can. it's all about the work, not my predictions or ego

[@DavidLightbringer]

when I started out, I was more wrapped up in the idea of being right or wrong about things. but a while ago I realized what I'm actually doing here is providing a fun and informative place for people to hang out and enjoy the world, and to explore history and mythology. That's what fires me up

[@D3athL1vin]

on a surface level the skagosi might tap into dwarf tropes in a similar way to how the targs evoke elf tropes

[@DavidLightbringer]

true

[@CharmagnCody-mw6zr]

It feels so good to be baaaaaccckk!! Made the mistake of running out of data earlier in an attempt to save money....... What a mistake. Won't happen again guys! LOL. I had to run right over here and see what I missed

[@jgr7487]

So, in the end, there will be at least Freefolk barbarians, Mountain Clans barbarians, Hill Tribes barbarians, Skagosi barbarians & Dothraki barbarians running amok in the Seven Kingdoms. Good to know.

[@johnyoutube8344]

What if Bran and Rickon are a parallel of Romulus and Remus? Romulus would be Bran and Remus would be Rickon, they are essentially raised by the wild (Bran less so but he does gets picked up by BR). The arc would result in Rickon going dark and being a bad guy warg and Bran having to kill him.

[@Barendol]

Freys will be playing Lord or the Crossing against each other until Shaggydog wins. :O Frey war sounds as a lot of fun. "When you play Lord of the Crossing, you either win or you die, there's no middleground."

[@danny5551000]

I Kinda hope Walder gets trapped on the bridge between Shaggydog and Nimeria and torn apart

[@pratzuli]

Frey’s have an Ottoman Sultanate succession vibe. 40 heirs and a free for all until there’s 1.

[@pratzuli]

If you take this association further, the Twins is like Istanbul: a vitally important trade hub and defensive location.

[@playerkit]

Considering the themes of Martin's writing within asoiaf, I think that the Manderly's motivation is altruistic. The Freys and Boltons did a bad thing, and the Manderly's are going to do what they can to right things. Now, you might be thinking, "How can that be? Don't only bad things happen in asoiaf, a grimly realistic depiction of the impossibility of good to prevail over evil?" The answer is that good things CAN happen in asoiaf... but they come at a cost. The Manderly's will surely not survive the series because this altruistic path has been chosen, but their sacrifice will pave the way for a better ending to be possible.

[@DavidLightbringer]

well said

[@paigeshelton5028]

Cannibal is the best dragon. I need that video asap.

[@yellowdevil9650]

I subscribe to David's theory on the intricate cave system beneath Westeros, allowing Bran and company to escape by boat via Myra Reed, but I'm not quite sure If Hodor is going to be in that boat. 😢

[@cmschmidt]

Winterlander 2: The Rickoning!

[@Leif_of_Kasper]

:D

[@ThommyofThenn]

[@alpheuswoodley8435]

Looking handsome, Tim

[@Slechy_Lesh]

47:10 Dynamo Tim mic drop

[@komikbookgeek]

Green magic: green magic is the cycle is death and rebirth, time is a cycle which consumes itself.

[@Jamble]

I think Rickon will be present for Jon's ressurection, I think Davos will bring him there and Meli and Davos will both be there.

[@jgr7487]

"... Rickard Stark, not my father's father..." Ok, it's not the Rick Stark that had southern ambitions & joined his House with the Tullies in marriage, it's about another Rick Stark who expanded his kingdom southwards & had a "southerner" for his queen. Got it.