Origin of Winterfell & Secrets of Stone Magic - Ice & Fire Lore Summit w Eldric Stoneskin

[@squidney1122]

petrified wood most commonly forms when trees are either 1) drowned in a flooded river channel or 2) smothered in volcanic ash, turning them into stone.

[@squidney1122]

thinking of green men becoming frozen like ice or stone through water or fire magic

[@AmandaAstey]

🎉😢until

[@AmandaAstey]

@@squidney1122

[@WhiteSargent]

Goddamn that’s good

[@anorangetabby]

Remember, when subscribers restart the stream, it is a tribute to the algorithm gods who then push it to new viewers. Great way to non-monetarily support the channel, mythfam.

[@anorangetabby]

Grey King🧜‍♂️, A-layne Stone🪨, Kings of Winter, Eldric Stoneskin 🗡, and Dave Lightbringer the Lampspiller 🪔❤ Absolutely loving the Lore Summits! Great series idea, Dave. Can't wait for the next one! ❤❤

[@summergirl4567]

The way my jaw dropped when he explained the watery halls of Winterfell was comical - I had to pause and go lie down. It's a long time since a connection has shocked me in this fandom 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@thechosenonetim7738]

When David said, "Your boss won't care, one earbud in " I was like, AYE🙌🏽🔊😂

[@eclecticnomad1972]

My boss cares 😭😭

[@amandaofhouserobinson6707]

Ohhh! I love the idea about greyscale possibly infecting the weirwoods. ❤

[@anneconner1108]

Y’all vibed together very well this stream, def kept me entertained all 4 hours 😊

[@armagankorkusuz]

I AM ENTERTAINED!!! thank you guys, it's the most amazing stream ever

[@relentlesslyquirky2904]

I love how David is just so excited to talk with someone as nerdy about this stuff as he is. He's constantly having these real recognize real moments throughout the stream.

[@ThatLadyBird]

Big fan of Eldric Stoneskin channel 👍

[@RobertFee7]

love your content, just wanted to mention one thing in relation to the weirwood turning to stone, I'm less inclined to think the weirwoods were infected with greyscale and have always thought they were inspired by alder wood in Irish/Celtic mythology. Alder is associated with secrecy and hiding, in the myth of deirdre of the sorrows, deirdre and her lover naoise run away from the king conchobar she was betrothed to and hide in a alder forest (which is very similar to the idea of lyanna and rheagar on the isle of faces). alder was used to dye clothing green..... it also develops a bruised or bleeding colour when cut, and in relation to turning to stone, they were used to build crannogs, the artificial islands, because alder wood turns as hard as stone when it is submerged in water. i dont disagree with any of the greyscale parallels, but just think the turning to stone over time is meant to be more of a natural process that inspired by the natural processes of the alder.

[@DavidLightbringer]

That's really cool I didn't know any of that

[@RobertFee7]

@@DavidLightbringer glad to be able to finally return to favour then haha

[@RobertFee7]

@@DavidLightbringer you know i never thought of the Lyanna/Deirdre connection until I tried to think of how to explain the weirwood Alder comparrisons, i gotta read that myth again and see if George is taking anything else from it

[@beevie4081]

Never heard that myth before, but I have bushwhacked through big alder swamps, and just wanted to confirm that if any of you need to hide from your betrothed, they're not finding you in an alder swamp!

[@williamhermann6635]

Seeing Dave blown away by someone else's work on symbolism is so wholesome lol

[@sommer8337]

I’m only 10 min in and already know I’m going to absolutely LOVE this stream! Thank you, David Lightbringer and Eldric Stoneskin!

[@squisherking]

Hilarious that you mention that as kid you thought Middle Earth was literally like a land within the hollow earth cause i used to think exactly the same thing when i was young too.

[@RPGDesignatedPaladin]

It was great when he said he’d look at the sky and wonder where the crust was. 😂

[@amandaofhouserobinson6707]

51 mins in , " we will get through the intro soon , then start the stream" lol lol 😆 😄 😂 so good. Ive gotta stop commenting sorry! 😮 Its a bit much, i know, but really loving this stream!❤😊

[@DavidLightbringer]

no no we appreciate it!

I love it when my favorite youtuber shows their face! Hi Eldrick from Hungary! Love your channel! ❤🎉

[@conniesuper9892]

Glad to be catching this from the beginning!!!Two of my faves! Thanks,guys,always great mind-bending content❤

[@Prince_of_Ruins]

Been a fan of this channel for years. Thanks for continuing to bring entertainment to us.

[@chipsandip]

DOPE vid! Weirwoods are space trees, you say!? Here's the obligatory suggestion to check out Erdtree/Elden Ring lore. (If you've already done a deep dive, please disregard)

[@TheMothPrincess]

Has someone ever mentioned that Cercei continously swaps between black and white by having alternetly funerals and weddings….?

[@DavidLightbringer]

no!!

[@beevie4081]

Oh cool! Do I have my timeline right?: Robert funeral Joffrey + Margery wedding Joffrey funeral Tyrion + Sansa wedding Tywin funeral Tommen + Margery wedding ..presumably Kevin's funeral ...Myrcella + Trystane ?

[@HaldirMark]

Does she wear white to the weddings, though? I suspect not, tbh, and wore Lannister colours instead. But maybe the symbology is intended: the colours just aren't explicitly there?

[@summergirl4567]

​@@beevie4081Timeline's not quite right. Tyrion and Sansa are married before Joffery and Margaery's wedding (she escapes during their feast), while Tywin's death is after.

[@beevie4081]

@@summergirl4567 ah, thanks. So she's not alternating in a strict pattern, but attending a lot of these ceremonies revolving around her family members.

[@minkleymcmoo5248]

Do you think the Starks dying on a bridge is symbolic? As in the Freys?

[@plasmiusphantom]

Idk, the Weirwoods petrifying sounded pretty natural to me, especially in the context of water and drowning. It also sounded like a stronger end than rotting. Literally "What is dead may never die, but rises harder and stronger"!

[@daef3355]

Great stuff, thank you guys! Every time I get frustrated that George seemingly can‘t finish the damn thing, discussions like this one remind me why it takes him so long. Layers upon layers of hints, philosophy, foreshadowing, etc. Truly an unbelievable work of art.

[@joaoparga]

Just a shout-out to your "Aaron got patchfaced" stream. One of my favourite of yours because A) it's absolute hilarious and B) it encapsulates the brilliant move by George to hide a crazy reality in plain sight (and kudos for you for spotting it).

[@Astrocolligraphy]

Thank you guys ! And please, have Tim on the ER stream ! Full chaos !!!

[@martinkrog5943]

OGIAR DANE :D I've been shouting about that dude for ten damn years You finally brought him up in a vid Yaaaay You frekin' rule

[@DavidLightbringer]

ah ha, so that was you! I knew there was someone who had been reminding me about him, but I couldn't remember who. well, here you go

[@luana.passos]

I agree that Night's queen is a Stark and I feel that we as a fandon dont talk about the stark queens enough. Sansa is biulding Winterfell in a frozen garden, where Catelyn has seen BLUE flowers - she is running with Lady in the goodswood of winterfell, smeling earth and leaf - Jon sees a redhead with a wolf in the cripts in his dream - Sansa escape the cripts alone with no ligth on (memorie of Arya)... Anyway, it woudl be so cool if we discuss it. The women are importan too! Loveee the stream. Always love the talk about winterfell and the Starks 🐺

[@williamhermann6635]

Its never implied that Night's Queen is a Stark. Only Night's King is said to be a Stark. I think its more likely that the Amethyst Empress was the first Night's Queen and Dany will be the new Night's Queen. Mother of Dragons, Mother of Others.

[@jayteeblues]

So happy to see this stream! I love that the guests you have on are the other creators that I watch. Such good meeting of the minds!!! Great work!

[@dsdgjj]

me listening to this at school and struggling not to have the LOUDEST face journey every time yet another parallel blows my entire mind

[@WhoIsCalli]

What a great guest Eldric is. Thanks David for bringing him on 🐉

[@samwilson3437]

Hi David, Can you please put the streams on your podcast? Its hard for me to be able to sit and watch several hours of youtube, but I can listen to podcasts driving, walking the dog, running, cooking, etc. Thanks!

[@reginamorgenstern161]

Until they get uploaded to the cast, I would recommend trying KZbin premium. I have really bad bunions so I'm at home all day while I wait for the NHS list to tick off, and I find KZbin premium useful because I can just stick it on the app on my phone, turn my phone screen off, and go so whatever I need to do while David educates me :)

[@oberonlee4716]

Damn I missed it. I offer this comment to Lord Algorithm.

[@HaldirMark]

"Simeon" means "he who hears/listens" (re: taking commands as the Hand to a greenseer's King), as well as could be a reference to Simon who becomes Peter, the rock (re: stone man theory). Edit: D'oh! Didn't realise you mentioned it later on.

[@Liizardqueen90]

My toxic trait is thinking my accent isn't that strong then you hear a fellow Aussie with David 😂 Awesome stream thanks guys! 🎉👏 Looking forward to binging eldrics channel 😀

[@jimbrozini]

Man I love all this! I admit it’s been almost a decade since I read any of the books but I feel like I’m right back there listening to these streams 🙌

[@michealmorris3766]

What if Grey King did walk into the sea, never to be seen again, because ever since the peninsular land bridge was subsumed, the weirwood cave entrance was below sea level?

[@natedavis1005]

“In the pre-dawn darkness they almost had the waterways to themselves”, so before the Dawn Empire the Children had the weirwood net to themselves!

[@landog606]

Eldric, do you play golf? Royal Adelaide looks so sick

[@chasingbadger3340]

Subscribed!

[@amandaofhouserobinson6707]

Awesome stream !! You guys work well together!! ❤❤😊😊Thankyou for all the entertainment as always ❤❤😊😊

[@jessie_dreams_]

Couldn't watch this live but I'm so excited to watch it today!!!! 😁

[@didelphimorphia2925]

Wow, what an awesome stream! ❤

[@IDKtheBand]

Usually re-watch while at work B) Thanks for the great content - ass alwaysss

[@murp0443]

Young Weirwood at the Night Fort?!?! Did you learn nothing from Michael Talks About Stuff? That “young Weirwood” is simply a branch off the weir wood trunk, which is the WELL at the Night Fort!

[@williamhermann6635]

I love Michael's "the wall is a line of weirwoods" theory

[@Darksun93]

This was a great stream. You guys did great work here 👏👏👏

[@martinkrog5943]

Hi, Eldric Downundarion : )

[@NeverUseAnApostrophe]

Looking forward to the Elden Ring stream.

[@ThommyofThenn]

I hate when sci fi or fantasy writers use apostrophes to give names an "exotic" flare. When I see a name like "G'mmerik" or "J'trel" etc it just screams very mid writing from the 90s to me

[@copyninja8756]

​@@ThommyofThennwho

[@jpmzo]

My two favorite ASoIaF streamers! Like an All Star Game. You guys really work well together 👍🏽

[@Birdbrainz420]

Great stream thank you! Praise Garth!

[@thankgodicanrite]

David your hair looks amazing I love it like this! 🔥

[@andrayellowpenguin]

Lol! Signs of chronic toddler-parrent syndrome: Dave says "mighty granite pillars are marching 2 by 2 into blackness", and my brain immediately provides "the ants are marching 2 by 2, hurrah! hurrah! the ants are marching 2 by 2, one of them stopped to use the loo, the ants are marching 2 by 2, hurrah! hurrah!" 😂

[@SoCalledGodess]

Dave, you gotta bring this guy back on your channel, he gives great voice.

[@jj.augustinefindley8905]

All the way from London, UK

[@MagnusRydr]

For the section about the Unsullied, could the line about them killing babes for a spiked cap and strangling their own dogs also reference Night's King? If his crown was modeled after the traditional Stark crown, it would have been spiked with the swords. His kingship was closely tied to and maybe depedent on the sacrifices he made to the Others. Him binding the Night's Watch to his will could be silimar to the Unsullied strangling their own dogs if he's invading their minds or trying to kill and raise them as wrights. He's also nameless like they are, though for different reasons.

[@GoldenCompany-j2k]

One of your best.

[@alonnawood]

second comment sorry 😅but I wanted to mention at 3:09:24 you mentioned mothman. I am from WV, the birthplace of the Mothman myth. In 1966, there were reports of a moth-man humanoid creature on a bridge in Point Pleasant, WV. His eyes glow red, and he has white wings. we have the moth symbolism, reaching for the light. the red and white colors remind us weird woods…kind of like an azor ahai reaching for the weirdwood net!! It’s also said to make a screeching sound, reminding us of Nissa Nissa’s scream. Pretty cool I think. There’s a whole museum and festival for this guy, pretty interesting.

[@DavidLightbringer]

ah ha, thanks for filling in the details. that all makes a ton of sense especially with the being drawn toward the light / Icarus idea

[@johnracine4589]

Sorry about your newly lubed up desktop David.

[@DavidLightbringer]

it's soo lubed

[@dannys9541]

Alayne = I Lay In Stone

[@alonnawood]

The symbolism!!! You two together is unbeatable ❤

[@zegreeno]

awesome stream! I'm going straight to the Elden Ring stream!

[@Zach-sx8cm]

Dave i’ve been thinking for a while that Azor Ahai a green man. And another piece of evidence I wanted to share is that Ineluki from MS&T is basically a child of the forest. His race, the sithi, are clearly a big inspiration for the children.

[@IagoCasabiellGonzalez]

Best livestream in a good while. Best ever, mayhaps?

[@DLYChicago]

I listened to the recording of this podcast in installments and spent some time ruminating on some of the topics discussed. I recall reading that Martin did not want to make his story be like LOTR where there are clear delineations of good and evil. Instead, he made it about characters' choices between competing interests, their own self interest, and their need to compromise. Along with this is a running theme in characters' development of identity. Characters' identities are lost, formed, forged, compromised, and regained or redeemed. I will add to your list Missandei--she starts by calling herself "this one" but Danny insists on using her name.

[@maryarmstrong2231]

Hello from South Korea!

[@plasmiusphantom]

Petrifying Weirwoods also goes with the theme of displacement and even claustrophobia. All of the space and organic material is pushed out and filled in, leaving behind something harder, but different. Something that may preserve, but does not give life. An end of a cycle, even.

[@markkrueger6751]

I know it was meant mostly jokingly but most of my time spent "watching" this channel is while I'm at work and have one earbud in so I don't get caught

[@DavidLightbringer]

hehehehe

[@Prince_of_Ruins]

Keeping with the horn motif, Elric is supposed to blow the horn of fate three times to usher in a new age and prevent the stagnation of law winning over chaos, or the totsl destruction of chaos beating law. Keeping a balance was the Eternal Champion's fate(Azor Ahai).

[@DavidLightbringer]

I appreciate Moorcock for not making chaos simply "bad"

[@Prince_of_Ruins]

@DavidLightbringer The Sailor on The Seas of Fate includes a hive mind battle with an awesome spin on it. Amazingly written, and I think you'd really enjoy it if you haven't had the chance to read it already.

[@Rustconfetti]

So good!!

[@Alex-wv9en]

Another thing about blackwater! The River Styx in Greek myth is possibly based on the real Mavronéri river, which is full of poisonous bacteria hence the Bad Vibes in myth. The name translates to Black Water! Of course the Styx lies across the entrance to the Hades, and there’s a Davos chapter I clash which ends on something like “the mouth of the blackwater had become the mouth of hell”! So, the spirits of the dead are held for eternity beyond the black water…

[@DavidLightbringer]

ah yes definitely should have mentioned the River Styx with all this, given the three headed Cerberus symbolism of Stark and Targaryen

[@GoldenCompany-j2k]

Watching it now.

[@jeremyhall8998]

I love the deep dive videos. I never noticed all the titan imagery between Arya and Sansa.

[@ho-zay]

Great video!

[@6Rock6God6]

I am 99% sure there was an old forum post somewhere about Hodor but it had nothing to do any text in the book. The guy said he ran into George in an elevator and asked him to hold the door and then the thought came to him that Hodor="Hold the door" and George hesitantly confirmed it. Like 99% sure the post was made way before the show confirmed it. But who knows maybe this is a total fabrication by my mind.

[@Valkarya]

Fun fact: relating to caves/stalagmites and stalagtites....there is something known as "moonmilk" in these types of limestone/calcium rich caves. Might be worth a peak for potential Nissa Nissa/Night's Queen symbolism. Maybe not, but thought I'd pass it on.

[@AMbradfordfilms]

The importance of the underground rivers in Elden Ring, and their connection to the roots of the Greattree... I think it was an opportunity to explore ideas hes started long ago in ASOIF!

[@plasmiusphantom]

Since we are talking about petrifying, we should look at the passages that mention chalcedony! And Jet. Amber is similarrrrr, but not congruent. Septarian Nodule is kind of an in-between, being fossilized mud (though I don't think the stone name is mentioned in the book at all. Closest would be argonite and calcite).

[@mausklick1635]

So at 3:23:47 you're saying that Night's Queen is trapped in the weirwood net like Marika the Eternal? Yeah, I dig it.

[@michaeltavizon8333]

Love it

[@shadow6024]

Great stream! And can’t waittttt for the Elden ring. And yea David it’s crazyyy

[@mrrandom6111]

Shot in the dark, but maybe the door with the face on it under the knight fort is Hodor through Bran's time splicing but a bit more complex and dark fantasy than in the show

[@ThommyofThenn]

Nice to see the positive feedback rolling in. As a gamer I'm also very excited for the next stream. Stay tuned!

[@samirharmim]

Watching from Manchester, UK!

[@OldZoZo]

Maybe the Stark's original sin was sacrificing to the Weirwood heart tree, which Bran sees in his vision.

[@OldZoZo]

BTW I missed the stream due to power outage.... current half way through ADwD reread, amazed at how much I missed the first time around,

[@OldZoZo]

Also, I had a thought. Skin changing is the beginning of empathy with can lead to Green seeing with is the see the world through 'Other's" eyes and by doing so realize the timeless nature of being human.

[@jorahtheexplorer3262]

2:07:42 in Skulduggery Pleasant one of the schools of Elemental Magic is stone and one of fhe spells turns the user into an indestructible statue until fhe spell is reversed by another Stone elementalist

[@Howlingbrown]

Just noticed most of the starks at one point become noone. Arya obv, Jon dies, sanza/Elaine, theon/reek, Bran/T.E.R,

[@setelliott9683]

I read the white hair woman with the Arrak blade as being a Dayne ancestor.

[@saviourly3186]

3:01:28 "by the time you live a thousand years you're nobody" just wanted to add that george has played with this idea before in Fevre Dream. *mild Spoilers* Damon Julian is the main villian in the story and he is the oldest vampire we hear of. He is so old he's old grown "the thirst" or the drive to drink blood, but he still does because he views his species as superior to "the cattle" (humans). Joshua, the good vampire, Says something along the lines of "he's completely empty inside, he's a beast gone feral"

[@AlohaMaesterHand]

Simple Green cleanser will take care of the spilled thermometer bong water smell ♥️

[@magnusnilsson1962]

A great stream. Very wishfulfilling for me.

[@nagamata]

But for David’s colored light, it almost looks like you guys are sitting in different parts of the same room lol

[@GoldenCompany-j2k]

Keep it up.

[@GampHead]

lightbringer the lampspiller sounds like a title for king gizzard's song haha he's a bringer he's a spiller. He's garth praiser, he's LAMPSPILLA ! wooo hahaha

[@Howlingbrown]

I can't remember if Sam cures Ser Jorah in the book. If he does it could be for reasons later. Like Jon's resurrection

[@AiltonOfClawIsland]

if a skinchanger can life a second life in his animal, does the same apllies to the animal and it lifes on in the skinchanger?

[@jcwoodman5285]

Never use lamp oil in a bong😕

[@GoldenCompany-j2k]

Awesome.

[@DLYChicago]

Greyscale--a feature, not a bug.

[@romease86]

Its interesting brandon and simeon have blue ice--ice eyes and star eyes made of saphire, respectively. Brandon means prince or hill. Simeon means He who listens, hears; He (God) has heard; Hearing, listening. Is there a reason these two pair up?

[@TheInsatiableDrBoom]

In Yellowstone park their is a hill that was once covered in black obsidian. The name is roaring or laughing mountain since the escaping steam can be heard from miles away.

[@kyleboerner]

Hodor.... Walder..... what about Sandor 👀? a door in the sand, or something else?

[@DavidLightbringer]

dunk may hold a sand door when he's rescuing people at Summerhall. his dream of drowning in sand with Egg seems to foreshadow that.

[@magalengo]

“The once and future King.”