Lucius Vettius, Professional Informant, Died of "Natural Causes" 59 BCE

Lucius Vettius was the Roman Jeffrey Epstein, just without much in the way of leverage. His allegations were the talk of the town for a short period of time, but he died after two days of testifying to the existence of a murder plot against Pompey the Great. It was universally believed that he had been murdered and that he had been acting on behalf of a more powerful party. Vettius was unmourned and his murder remained unsolved.
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[@Makofueled]

You're now a PHD in thumbnails

[@Zlorthishen]

Vettius didn't kill himself

[@aaroncfriedman]

This should be Thersites tagline

[@twonumber22]

Getting that on a bumper sticker

[@tribunateSPQR]

I love the thumbnail here, hadn't considered him in this specific context. Have you read Julius Caesar and the Roman People by Robert Morstein-Marx? I'm in the middle of it now and he does a great job talking about how the "1st Catalinarian Conspiracy" is likely a fabrication.

[@rursus8354]

13:41: "Morstein-Marx".

[@jameshill8493]

For a sec I thought that was Anthony Bourdain and was very confused

[@N1ckel]

From the thumbnail I was like "Is that my boy Anthony Bourdain?" Nope, just Jeff Epstein lmao.

[@purplepunch4904]

lmao

[@Wallyworld30]

This is a "True Crime" Ancient Rome edition!

[@abc-oq7dt]

CSI Pomerium

[@WorthlessWinner]

Wasn't expecting to see Alex Jones and Epstein in a roman history video xD

[@austinford1530]

I was just thinking about the Vettius affair today, what a coincidence.

[@comentedonakeyboard]

Move along, nothing to see here😂

[@mueezadam8438]

We know Caesar was an Alexander fanboy so my headcanon is that he roughed up Vettius to reenact the time Alexander beat a page boy so hard they conspired to kill him.

[@Wallyworld30]

Content like this is why this is the best History channel on KZbin! Awesome stuff. I'd never heard the Vettius Affair and it's so interesting. I wonder why this story isn't told in same fashion as the Catiline conspiracy? Thank you!

[@konst80hum]

Love the thumbnail indeed. Great snippet of roman skullduggery.

[@RelivingHistory1]

I started this history channel partially thanks to you! The comparison between Lucius Vettius and Epstein is fantastic. Love the content!

[@foolishmortal299]

I love when you hear a story that you think nothing of it when you first hear it, then someone like Dan Carlin or Thersites comes along and tells you the most amazing version of THAT same story

[@CarolineBearoline]

The thumbnail 😂

[@terranman4702]

He was mentioned on an inscripture of being in the service of Gnaeus Pompeius Strabo at Asculum.

[@rursus8354]

Perhaps the poor Lucius Vettius just had a bad combination of paranoia and stupidity?

[@al-muwaffaq341]

Publius Sittius would be a good vid. I’m not sure how much info we have on him though.

[@Timmersan]

Livia did it.

[@purpleunicornmedia]

Absolutely fascinating and very well explained!

[@jmctigret]

Did Vettius have an Island? F••k Island?

[@ipomoeaalba936]

Sounds like aliases involved in events not long ago

[@billychops1280]

Hello Thersites, I was just wondering if we Know how old Sextus Julius Caesar (Governer of Syria for the famous Julius Caesar) was when he died in 46bc

[@jameshill8493]

Does anyone know any other KZbin channels who make videos like this? Doesn’t have to be Rome. I don’t even know what to call this style, but I found 1 channel called “history chap” that basically does exactly this but with the British empire.

[@drdeesnutts48]

It was clearly a baby in a squabble over some candy.

[@egillskallagrimson5879]

I see two posible actors behind Vettius. 1. The very same triumvirate all three or at least Pomeius and Caesar. They use Vettius to sort out their opposition and smear them with the prospect of having them remove, happens to be that being Caesar the Consul many of them were Optimates and since they probably already had Vettius on the pocket since the times of Catalina he was just the guy for this type of jobs. So they send Vettius to scout the terrain and try to get these people involve but the whole thing backfires because Vettius was a moron and he really wasn't subtle approaching people the proof being that word of this got to Bibulus who I don't think was a direct candidate for the conspiracy as he was consul that year, even if they were petty men the dignity of the Consul shouldn't be tarnished with these trappings. Nonetheless is probably the younger optimates maybe like Curio(don't know if the guy was a optimates) were approach in the event that if enough of them could be convinced and then expose by Vettius maybe they could drag the top tier Optimates with them. Vettius fumble because of being useless the whole thing starts to crumble when exposed to the senate in a last ditch effort to go with the plan Caesar and the Populares brought Vettius to the contio to denounce the Optimates but probably the Triumvirate just got ear on that the whole thing will probably fail and that they could be expose so decide to kill him? I'm not that interested on who killed Vettius as the dude just pissed so many people that it could be anyone I'm more interested on who was behind him as it seems more important to me. 2.The second candidate is Crassus. Hear this one. I always thought that the less benefited from the first Triumvirate was Crassus and also he really hated Pompeius. The year of Caesar as Consul was the fundamental year of the Triumvirate on passing legislation, Caesar got the land reform and the grain dole, Pomeius got ratified his conquest of the east and got the payment and settlement of his veterans and what got Crassus? the policies and new regulations of the tax collection? yeah sure was the dude's whole game but Pompeius got better. He got his greatest achievements recognised and praised by everyone finally after being stuck for years after the proper campaign the fight between populares and optimates just freeze the whole process and let tens of thousands of veterans without their reward for their loyalty to the Republic, it was seen as very unjust and everyone agree when the triumvirate got the legislation through that it was a good thing that finally the veterans got their money and land. Crassus for sure didn't like this, more popularity to his rival and I believe what happened next after this whole affair sums up to the argument. After Caesar's term was the time when Clodius with the back of Crassus cause all sorts of trouble and violence in Rome, Crassus defame Pompeius to the point that he was taken the command of the Parthian expedition and given to Crassus! dude couldn't stand that Pompeius really follow on Alexander the Great footsteps and complete the conquest of the east so he stolen the chance from Pompeius and took it for him(we all know how that ended) so the moment he got what he wanted he start scheming against his ally. So it truly was an assassination attempt on Pompeius by Crassus that again was foiled because of Vettius incompetence. It's reasonable that he seek the aid of already upset figures like Curio as they would be the most willing and keep Crassus plausible deniability and the instance of Vettius denouncing the Optimates just was Caesar and the Populares capitalising on the whole scandal, when Crassus saw that Vettius eventually would sold him to avoid someone else retaliation or that Vettius start to mess things and scheming in his own just becoming a tool of whoever got him first decided that was too dangerous to let him live and kill him to erase any proof of his role in the conspiracy or as I stated before it was someone else fed by this guy bs. We will never know but the video is really cool watched two times to got it all.

[@edwemail8508]

Thanks bro. That was a hoot. Peace.

[@alanpennie8013]

It's all rather reminiscent of Titus Oates and The Popish Plot, but unlike the latter, fizzled out without doing any particular harm.

[@GHST995]

I wonder if he every thought he'd face a 100+ thread count cotton end.

[@larry3591]

Good job

[@francissreckofabian01]

We need Stephen Dando-Collins on this case. He proved to his own satisfaction that Seneca murdered Germanicus. I wasn't convinced but I'm no historian.

[@jamessingleton5191]

what happened to sean chick?

[@beepboop204]

[@dinsel9691]

I have indeed watched a lot of "crime shows" as you mentioned😂. And I can say something for certain, people LOVE, absolutely LOVE to interject sophisticated conspiracies into anything unknown. And when the truth comes out, it turns out something very simple and very boring. Something very sad about our sad lives. Case in point, is Somerton Man. Who was suspected to be a "spy", because the identifying tags on his clothes had been cut off, and had a written "coded" poetry left in his pocket (perhaps as a warning by the killer) etc etc. It turns out it was just a mentally ill man who ran away from home and lived as a loner.😂😂😂 Vettius seems to be the textbook definition of a mentally ill individual (particularly schizophrenia). A mild form of schizophrenia can go undiagnosed in a lifetime.

[@ipomoeaalba936]

Great. Nut cases, the lot of them. 46:43

[@coachmen8508]

Hahaha ! "Life artificially shortened" was Hillary Clinton alive back???

[@The_ZeroLine]

_Davidus Pedius Epsteinius_

[@AntonioPeralesdelHierro]

To use a photo of epstein representing who you are describing is gross and badly advised.

[@josww2]

Interesting history, but it's too much of a stretch to equate Vettius with Epstein, seems like clickbait. Love the channel though.

[@victimofchungus2039]

RIP my Nigga Epstein

[@Rabbi-Jill-kews]

vettius happen to be jewish?😂

[@dylanlawson1279]

Thersites the Historical Is Pussy his luck

[@probableflaws3597]

Pro tip: don’t put Epstein on your thumbnails. Makes me scroll right past

[@Glitter_H_Hoof]

we may never know how this comment ended up here

[@thomasechols8834]

Everyone knows that Pompey was the one that did things like this, he was the master in his time of controlled opposition and manipulation. Crassus was even manipulated by Pompey, Gaius was able, by staying out of Rome for so long and in Gaul, able to avoid the manipulation that Pompey exerted on everyone through his purse and popularity.

[@TomasBradvica]

make sense, ty