Lucy Letby: Could killer nurse have been stopped sooner?

[@jameswhite7997]

The very obvious answer to this is YES! The record of consultants being ignored repeatedly by hospital management is absolutely sickening. The fact the guy at the end says the way the management responded to concerns is 'disapointing' is equally nauseating.

[@Gemma-yd2xm]

Yes it’s abhorrent what happened

[@wickedwitchoftheeast88]

​@@tabularasa7775they should be charged with corporate manslaughter and thrown in prison and suffer the bullying and threats they gave to the doctors you can bet they wouldn't like a taste of their own medicine

[@harrisonmonte-carlo8779]

If a Consultant had any suspicions over... er let's say a "Gita Patel".....would Consultant be ignored?!!! 👀 Wake Up Folks. "Privilege personified" ....and now they concentrate on systematic failings, not the crime, not the pure evil, not the animal, monster, serial baby killer. She was injecting new born babies with insulin wtf!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@sissy9393]

What she did is even more gross.

[@sissy9393]

@@tabularasa7775 I don't think the parents knew until the hospital was forced to see this as it is. They called the police and the police had to investigate. I'll assume Scotland Yard was not involved, but only Chester Police. I'm in the states so I'm not quite sure all that happened. Letby was able to get away due to her soft spoken, sad little spoiled girl ACT, people didn't believe "kind" Lucy.

[@ludovician]

The way they keep diminishing the doctors complaints about the nurse is very surprising

[@Gtrellis]

Interesting doctor not heard. 2 people to a baby policy needed. No written enquires needed case solved. waste of time lawyer's.

[@JamalRiaz-cn1qw]

why are you surprised she’s white and i’m pretty sure the doctor was brown i ain’t surprised

[@joycejnn]

It isn’t surprising it’s the normal the reputation of the hospital and the trust comes first

[@Takashii85]

It's not surprising at all..

[@amy4331]

​@@joycejnnyep 100%

[@sphinx1017]

Management always blame 'whistle blowers' for some reason. If you call out a problem, then you're instantly labeled a trouble maker.

[@MorticiasTwin07]

And if you're making too much trouble or noise. Because people aren't listening to you. You are then sacked from your job.

[@Vega2099x]

💯 Yes! The hospital administrators should be charged with criminal negligence leading to multiple infanticide, they owe the families ALOT

[@londonmarshal4225]

Hospital managers should be with her in prison. My heart goes out for the families who lost their babies because of this psychopath and the bastards managers who put their jobs before the babies and their loved ones.

[@joanneshaw3071]

I’m a nurse in Australia originally from England. I still can’t get my head around what this woman did and why, but then I realise she’s not normal she has no emotions she’s just evil. I don’t think this nurse because a psychopath I believe this psychopath became a nurse

[@Dar1usz]

She did this because she could, people been telling about her to management and its been ignored cause white woman cannot be fired at ongoing situation in NHS. White male man - no big deal, but they cannot fire white womans. Same with muslim / indian doctors, they are immune to everything cause they cannot be fired - otherwise they start playing racism card. Welcome in circus world, there is a results of womans agenda.

[@adamek9750]

😮

[@paulgelsthorpe3712]

Covert narcissistic. Dead inside.

[@Rise-and-Shine333]

Spot on. Some people really can find it difficult to think that psychopaths don’t go in to healthcare

[@cameupstarvin7351]

She was clearly framed. No White English woman is capable of this, must have been one of the many Asians or Blacks in our NHS.

[@markb1487]

The fact that senior managers were trying to reinstate this ""baby killer"" is a very very serious flaw..

[@Hussain-pf1zq]

The NHS always favours their employees even if they are wrong, and don't like to expose in public unless they have no choice.

[@runlarryrun77]

I wonder if they represented private investors & they didn't want the trouble. It would look bad for business, so no fuss, it isn't happening, all natural deaths, the unit is functioning better than ever, back to work now & no more questions. "The party expected you to reject the evidence of your own eyes & ears" George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four.

[@chloesimone8885]

She carried on working with babies after she was first arrested she was just transferred the women’s & alder hey & photographed outside the royal during lockdown by the press cheering in her nurse uniform 🤯 medics are trained to kill not save lives anymore

[@LightshamanaDhyana]

It isn't a flaw, it is murder. By the management. They are accomplices and should go to prison.

[@markb1487]

@@LightshamanaDhyana give over,,you know that isn't going to happen,,just like all the social workers at the ""grooming "" scandal,,not one got a jail time,,not one..

[@Jinxs-Journey]

Time to bring the hospital management to justice too who ignored the whistle blowers and tried to cover this up. They should be in the dock with her

[@elizabethlacky6068]

One of the best ways to stop this is to have the parents file a class action wrongful death suit against the management that ignored the red flags that were presented to them..

[@JaneCole-Catlow-gm6eb]

Too true.

[@nicok5548]

Never trust the NHS blindly. I never left my daughter side during 11 days in NEO. Every hour of the day or night me or my wife was next to her

[@tori3030]

I dnt trust them i question what they say

[@xxczerxx]

Did she go into nursing with that exact intention?' It is simply impossible to imagine the psychological process of wanting to harm a child.

[@restojon1]

So, essentially the management were more concerned with Letby's attendance, timekeeping and performance on paper than the Professional medical concerns of more senior members of staff who had identified numerous issues. We need to stop employing managers who are driven by targets and profit and run the NHS as a service to give care to patients.

[@mikehutchison4892]

Our whole attitude to “whistleblowers” needs to change. They speak out to protect the public/ improve matters……it is the people with power/ run the organisation,who don’t want their system being questioned.

[@malloid]

Tell that to the corrupt politicians who will go to extreme lengths to silence people, suppress criticism and blame others. Yes, whistleblowers should be heard and protected, but there's no chance of that in a country run by greedy, cynical, lying Tories. How businesses and organisations - and bosses - conduct themselves is very much influenced by the (mis)conduct of politicians and what the government will and will not allow. Stricter regulation, better oversight, and a more understanding attitude would help - all things that are anathema to the Tories. This culture of trying to cover things up is direct from the Tory handbook.

[@emilyscloset2648]

I think this is the main thing. There should be a central reporting system for whistleblowers along with being dealt internally

[@slartibartfast7921]

The managers need to face punitive action.

[@jameswhite7997]

@@slartibartfast7921 Agree 100%

[@tedbelmont]

@@slartibartfast7921the managers are as guilty as the murderer. Making the suspicious doctors apologise to a murderer for causing her stress.

[@boringaahusername]

I tried to see things from her point of view. I feel like it was all just a game for her, killing the babies, faking the deaths as unintentional, never getting caught. Pretending to be someone she’s not with the staff. Playing with the lives of innocent children and the hearts of their parents just to satisfy some twisted thing inside her. God I feel sick

[@aabc8141]

Very twisted & scary … she was enjoying the power over life and death she discovered in this profession and was experimenting with different method to kill babies … pushing her luck and enjoying getting away with it. 😡

[@stuzo666]

Why , it's absolutely disgusting honestly I feel ill even thinking about it and I'm a guy of 70 it has an impact on me

[@SherShahSuri-e8u]

It's appaling how the government have failed to protect babies, children and vulnerable patients entrusted into their care by the families of the victims, an absolute failure on the highest level and despite repeated cases, nothing has been done as to increase security measures to prevent further instances. Those who despite knowing failed to inform the authorities on time should also be taken to court.

[@Graysonn1]

So the hospital ignored the consultants. But why didn't the consultants go to the police when the hospital ignored them. Anyone can report a crime.

[@bostonrex3121]

I remember watching a documentary about a nurse, I don't remember whether she was American or British, but the story was strikingly similar to this one. So we know it happens and I think the important question is: are there nurses that get away with it? I mean one or two deaths would not be very suspicious and a smart careful nurse could easily get away with murdering one or two infants.

[@freddieellis5144]

My girlfriend said she lived with two training nurses and they would say they would overdose medicine or not even check them properly like the nurses already on the ward. I was like what us the point in them if they are just hurting you there lol and you are paying via NHS for them. I would get rid of nurses and only have doctors or similar education standard These are people not some doughnut shop

[@bostonrex3121]

@@freddieellis5144 they don't get paid enough to care.

[@freddieellis5144]

@@bostonrex3121 don't have any then, would be better for everyone

[@freddieellis5144]

@@bostonrex3121 just like landlords parasites and useless

[@TC-th1ey]

​@@bostonrex3121Nurses like all NHS staff need to decide whether they want an industry leading (and country crippling) pension or higher pay.

[@karenpotts2212]

The shocking aspect is the total failure of management. That the red flag of statistical increase in deaths was not acted on shows an astonishing level of ignorance on behalf of management.

[@kjp1232]

The hospital managers knew about her for 2 years they should be in prison

[@melgrant7404]

Agree. The hospital needs to be sued too.

[@jam6636]

If I had a coworker whom I believe is killing babies and my manager doesn´t hear me out I would at least try to contact the police myself, even anonymously. I don´t understand how the other doctors and nurses could keep on going without REALLY reporting it.

[@mrennie5158]

Exactly. These consultants they're currently lionising could and should have gone straight to the Police we'd report patients with capacity to the Police instantly if THEY committed assault of staff on a ward, I've done it myself multiple times over the years and if I thought one of my colleagues was actively harming my patients I'd bypass hospital management as they're useless and go straight to the Police. The inquiry will ask why they pussyfooted around for so long

[@chloesimone8885]

They wouldn’t take any notice or find u & accuse u of doing it the nhs just euthanised over 100,000 pensioners over the space of 13 months Matt hancock called it a good death that’s why he was sacked

[@wickedwitchoftheeast88]

​@@mrennie5158its the management who are responsible they are in positions to actually take action and they often don't. They threatened the doctors with consequences if they went to the police and basically gaslighted them. I've been bullied and gaslighted and believe me manipulative bullies are very good at making you doubt yourself its how they operate the management ignored the doctors but supported Letby when she made bullying accusations

[@consciouskitty]

Yes, the doctors should have contacted the police directly (they would have been able to do so anonymously) when it became apparent that management was taking no action. Management should absolutely face harsh punishment for their negligence and coverup, but doctors could also have done more.

[@takitobutface6805]

they are scared to lose their job, they got family support

[@wnd9434]

It is a concern first. They don't have hard evidence yet. There is no camera, CCTV, it is just babies dies when the killer was around, the number of dead is not logical but There is no prove to show. That why is so difficult.

[@TC-th1ey]

If an article I read about the murder of one twin is correct the baby was bleeding from his mouth after she 'shoved a piece of medical equipment down his throat'. She then injected him with air to kill him. How did no one notice the fact that the child had obviously been abused in a post mortem? Another child was killed with an overdose of insulin which I would think would show up on blood tests. Either of these scenarios should have led to instant dismissal and criminal charges, as at best it shows incompetence and at worst it shows a murderer. The fact that nothing was flagged up demonstrates that gross negligence is acceptable as a NHS nurse.

[@jamesburr2112]

The trouble with insulin is it will show up on a blood test, but it also should, since it’s a naturally occurring substance in the body. It’s telling if there’s an excessive amount of it in the system that’s the difficult thing

[@TC-th1ey]

@@jamesburr2112 That's a fair point, my concern is how these deaths can simply be written of as unexplained. If a healthy infant just dies I would want to know why so that I could prevent it from occurring again.

[@annawoodfield7278]

I heard that they discouraged a parent from doing a post mortem

[@ryand141]

Well, half probably don't speak English. As for evidence, I was thinking the same. Surely, you must have more than just circumstantial ey. How can you even convict on weak evidence?

[@mirceapintelie361]

surplus insulin produced by your own body is also associated by an increase in c-peptides.a test has showned no increase in c-peptides which means that the insulin was injected.strangely after that test the police was not called.why?

[@EightFrancs]

Whistleblowers must be listened to and protected.

[@romariohylton3963]

I’ve always felt that police officers, firefighters nurses and doctors and surgeon must be psychologically evaluated every 3 to 6 months to weed out the crazies and the killers. Patient on more than likely to be psychologically evaluated then the person that is administering care to said patients.

[@CamSam09]

By doing so you are going to create highly scary and poisonous working environment for the professionals. This is unbelievably rare problem, doctors and nurses save lives not kill.

[@rtru2426]

​@@CamSam09only psychos,sociopaths etc! let's just hope no such person gets a position like that

[@runlarryrun77]

Never gonna happen though cos it would cost too much & currency is valued over lives.

[@runlarryrun77]

@@rtru2426 They frequently get into positions like that.

[@slartibartfast7921]

I think the only way that statement wouldn’t be ridiculous/insane is if it solely focussed on politicians.

[@aubs400]

Interestingly, the male doctors who brought up complaints were ignored- management seem to have been under the impression that a woman could never do anything so heinous.

[@jimmynich4791]

I agree with what that guy, once there is circumstance it should be investigated by the police straight away. Any unexpected death, higher than usual mortality rate, anything like that should be automatically investigated thoroughly immediately.

[@Ad_Astra2023]

For a tiny, helpless baby, ALL grownups are like “super human beings”, you don’t need to kill them to prove that. That woman is mentally ill.

[@camren7271]

Yes 100% but as usual the higher management never want to know until its too late. They should have whistleblowed her.

[@runlarryrun77]

But that would have looked bad. Can't have that now. Never mind that it will inevitably come out & one of our nurses will be convicted for killing babies. Never mind how bad that will look.

[@jessicathomas73]

I mean no disrespect to the nurses or the consultants who pointed out the issues when I say this but I honestly thought at first that maybe this nurse was the fall guy for failures within the hospital. After hearing the actual causes of death and the fact that she was in attendance every single time a baby had a major issue out of nowhere, I started to realise that maybe this lady really is some sick murderer. It is hard to fathom to be honest. How on earth could someone kill tiny, helpless babies? A nurse of all people? I know nurses are not perfect and there have been killers before but this was so unusual. I don't know what to think about those notes but the causes of death, the insulin, the intentional poisonings with insulin, too much food and air in the tubes, there was no way this could happen accidentally over and over again. She was competent in other areas of her work, so she knew exactly what she was doing. I wonder what caused her to start? Was she envious of the people with families who were experiencing the joy of a newborn baby and perhaps she thought it would never happen for her? I also think it was attention in general and attention from the doctor. She might have Munchausen's as some have suggested. This is just so sick and unbelievable. The jury took a long time to deliberate so they must have been quite thorough. May she never be released and the NHS gets itself together to ensure this never happens again. 17 babies is just...I can't even find the words as none feel strong enough to explain the anger at the fact that this happened for so long and with so many victims.

[@janetmullender282]

The fact that she followed bereaved parents on social media showed what a kick she got out of her power…Harold Shipman all over again; no lessons learnt.

[@jessicathomas73]

@@janetmullender282 Yes I agree, that was another creepy element. I have never known of a nurse following their patients online as a general rule.

[@premierexterior8720]

Take it out of human hands.. Create a simple computer program that monitors deaths and the staff on duty at that time. As soon as the program flags unusual activity senior management are legally bound to investigate.

[@bq1424]

Yes. If she had a colleague who was from overseas who was doing EVERYTHING RIGHT the said colleague would have endured pervasive suspicion, verbal attacks and slander for no reason only than that they weren’t from England.

[@Tech-Corner2023]

It is shameful to let so many deaths one after another... It is not enough to sue and punish her, all involved need severe punishment. How could you allow so many deaths like that in the same place under a single nurse's watch - regardless of this or another one - without doing anything and trying to understand what is happening?! Human life is so cheap, evils get a free ride for a long period.

[@shellsbignumber2]

Problem is there are still many people who believe she is innocent.

[@ON-wi6of]

Heartbreaking poor babies 😢 Cannot imagine the pain of their parents and family, going through this unbearable pain and a new tragedy after loosing their babies

[@IchaelGill]

We could go on about Lucy Letby for the next year or even more but what's that going to achieve (nothing at all) It' will be the same old story that there won't be another Lucy Letby to do this again and those who always say that are lining there pockets with a few dollers more so shame on you.

[@stuwoac]

So as a business owner, with supervisors and staff in construction, this case make me annoyed. So in construction even if a memeber of staff fails health and saftey and hurts someone or themselves, my supervisors in charge of them plus me will also be dragged in court and could also be facing jail time for my staff actions, if we did not do our part in managing their actions correctly. Yet only the nurse has gone court here why? Why isnt her supervisor, her manager, the head of the nhs trust where this has been allowed to happen, when are they facing the music like any business owner in construction can and will if something goes really wrong. 🤔

[@onepunchflan3071]

The medical world are very good at escaping justice

[@markjukes931]

Recommendations post the Allit case were very clear and was about clinical supervision amongst health care staff and in particular nursing staff. It is about clinical monitoring and support systems in place so red flags can be identified quickly. Funding in Health Care was prioritised but not in favour of these essential support systems.The Inquiry report I could write which would be almost identical to previous Inquiries - they will not be acted upon because they will centre upon fiscal responses and not what is required to give real support to clinicians so as to ensure real team working.

[@isbestlizard]

But they promised lessons had been learned and procedures had been put in place o.o

[@melliecrann-gaoth4789]

@@isbestlizardit’s grotesque

[@snsn7251]

She made friends in high places who protected her. They all need to be struck off and charged right alongside her.

[@badad8537]

I don't think it was anything to do with that and more to do with management trying to protect the hospitals reputation.

[@FatNormanCoathanger]

The 'managerial' system of institutions is the reason why we are susceptible. When the 'managerial' system invents a *primarily hierarchical ethos* , it is dependent upon merely a subservience and acquiescence of the staff to "fill in forms" in justification of the of their roles allotted to them.

[@runlarryrun77]

Or you could just say "dickheads with too much power in charge not believing their staff". No need to talk in such lofty terms my good man!

[@bodhiswayze1892]

Lucy. I wish you a long LONG life- I hope that every single day is filled with humiliation, fear & pain. You deserve nothing less…

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

Mind Begs the Question: Hitler - shifted blame for Nations Failures on Religious Minority If Politicians/Govts - shift blame for Nations Failures on Vulnerable/Migrants Practicing Hitlers Mein Kampf,no?

[@jacquelineclare2373]

@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings wtf are you talking about? Mein Kampf has nothing to do with this. Educate yourself.

[@clairewilson3278]

Here here

[@radhikashah2419]

After the case of insulin overdose was found out,this could have been avoided….the hospital should also be held for gross negligence….utterly shameful

[@unknown-nw2dp]

this is exclusive to that trust. this doesn't happen in every hospital - I've seen staff dismissed for making jokes in front of the families of patients. the medical director is the one who should be held accountable

[@boringaahusername]

I feel disgusted.

[@Musika1321]

How many Narcissists work in hospitals, nursing homes - Government? She might be an outlier - maybe not. Lets hope this opens a public inquiery. Dont hold your breath.

[@Seabird41]

He's doing a soft shoe shuffle and insulting the families and the public in the process. The management team ignored all warnings, and vilified incredibly experienced paediatric doctors and nurses. They demanded an apology to an uppity, extremely narcissist junior nurse. Those managers would be sued in civil cases in the US, without question. There needs to be more accountability of the CEO's and directors of public health provision in the UK. If, as in this case, they are found to be deliberately obstructive they should be banned from working in the sector ever again. At the very least.

[@AnimeSlaps]

The standard for nurses has gone down significantly over the last decade. Nurses used to be people to look up to, training was rigorous, you would consider them second to doctors. In this age, a nursing job is as easy to secure as a secondary school teaching position.

[@runlarryrun77]

It really isn't that easy. Neither jobs are easy. Standards are higher than ever & it's not fair to judge an entire profession on the actions of one psychopath. The standard of government overseeing & deliberately destroying the NHS is is at the heart of this issue.

[@jokedejojo]

Go read some anime little boy, you don't know what you're talking about.

[@tori3030]

They just not interested in helping ppl they dnt care like back in day .they should get.out the prodesion

[@adamek9750]

Do you work in hospitals?

[@mamafreaky]

Old saying: you pay peanuts you get monkeys.

[@rayray9991]

If those concerns were raised against an asian or african nurse, immediate actions would have being taken... those previous management must be held accountable for their incompetence and bias

[@plazid1]

What a stupid race bait comment

[@isbestlizard]

Hahahahahahahaha yes of course they will. High up executives and managers always face accountability for their failures. I'm sure the public inquiry will start soon and report quickly with its recommendations!

[@murozman]

Yeah, white, slim, reasonably attractive with a kind face made everyone blind to the reality.

[@cookieking1996]

Any evidence to back that up ?

[@snsn7251]

​@@cookieking1996Go ask the NMC who gets reported the most

[@beenadevicr]

It is sad to hear Dr Kirkup saying that it is disappointing. If the managers had listened when the clinicians raised their concerns, many lives could have been saved. To say that there is a need for concrete evidence only leads to similar incidents in the future. Is that the message that parents wish to hear? There is a strong need to check how these managers work in any hospital. It is their culture that needs a study.

[@Myself-el7on]

While the killer nurse was left free for so long an innocent man was left in jail for 17 years. the system is completely rotten.

[@nighttrain1236]

Needs a statutory inquiry.

[@ummhanef]

“Most nurses don't Kill. They save lives.”

[@onewotldgovernmentonlywhen9044]

Not if they are witches as well as doctors. There’s a lot in the USA 🇺🇸

[@salaheddine11]

She went away with it, for one reason, The reason is She was around Great cover of criminal killers like her.

[@TheGreatest1974]

Most nurses are angels but some are not. And that’s why sadly ALL nurses must be monitored and watched closely when anyone of any age passed away under their care.

[@cassandra2249]

CCTV IN EVERY hospital ward maybe?

[@jelly-baby]

Beverley Allitt was an SEN. In that role she should have had more clinical supervision. I never really understood how she managed it but it was over a much shorter time scale. Recently, I watched a documentary about an American RN, Charles Cullen. I suppose it comes down to trust...

[@runlarryrun77]

The unit she worked in at Grantham hospital was run down & understaffed. They had reservations about employing her to begin with, but they were stuffed.

[@melliecrann-gaoth4789]

@@runlarryrun77and the director of nursing faced charges of negligence for letting her work beyond her scope of practice- (due staff to staff shortages). Because she had a professional regulatory body to answer to, she was reprimanded. I don’t know what happened to the funding managers about her…..

[@teresasteele5327]

The Management dismissed the Consultants.

[@TheFreemanuk]

When babies pile high in your workplace, YOU GO TO THE FUCKING POLICE, not your line manager. Its a massive cover up.

[@ahamilton3435]

So a woman carrying, nurturing a baby for 9 months in her stomsch, feeding it. Having it take frim her bones and her body. Having her body weakened and nearly near death during child birth. Only to have someone, another woman on top of that, taking the mothers baby out of this world... how truly evil, how DISGUSTING. Theres a place for those who commit such crimes.

[@thee-sportspantheon330]

Story drops after NHS staff won't settle for a pay cut. Got to get the public on side. See guys they don't deserve a pay rise. What about Lucy Letby? Should she get a pay rise? I hate this. I hate this all. I'm so tired of this government.

[@legionarmy1]

I’d recommend we submit her to torture but apparently that’s cruel and inhumane

[@onepunchflan3071]

I mean they subjected suspected terrorists to torture in guantanamo Bay and a lot of them were only suspected. So why not do it to those who are known child murderers. The only problem is that we have the same problem with the death penalty and that problem is that there are too many people sent to prison for things they didn't do. So imagine torturing someone regurlary for 10 years only to find out they didn't commit the crime. Obviously this isn't one of those cases but you get what I mean.

[@simontemplar404]

We always ask these questions after a disaster then make some corrections and go forward. We make mistakes, we could have stopped Putin trying to exterminate the Ukrainians but we were not smart enough. Never again is always our cry and we do our best to never let it happen again. It is right that we ask why it happened and what we can do to prevent it happening again. Sadly we cannot foresee all of our mistakes. That does not mean that we should stop trying because we are so successful in so many ways of doing just that. I mourn the terrible carnage this has caused for so many people.

[@runlarryrun77]

The trouble is we just don't believe things like this when we're told them. It's the human psyche. We don't want major trouble like this, so if were confronted with it we automatically try to downplay it or reduce it "No, are you sure? I don't believe you!" It's a natural reaction when presented with something serious, dreadful, utterly fantastical or a combination of all 3. I recently reported someone for psychological harassment. I was believed, this time. I wasn't the first time, despite some of this harassment having happened in front of witnesses. My abuser is clever. Most people don't spot what she does & they think she's lovely. Five years after I first reported her it's finally being taken seriously. Someone in authority has doubts about my abuser now & the complaint has been upheld. That's just low level narcissistic abuse. We all know these people are out there, yet when they're reported, the abuser is the one that gets sided with again & again because what they're being told is so at odds with the image the abuser has presented to the world. Now imagine if someone came up to you & told you that someone in your life, nobody prominent or significant, but someone like a neighbour you say hello to, or someone who works in the next department to you who you've been out for drinks with a few times has committed multiple infanticides. Your automatic reply would be "You're joking!" or "I don't believe you" because that's how our brains are hard-wired.

[@truxicatorgamer2478]

I don’t know how our society has come to baby-killing!

[@corneliuscornia3189]

Godless society,not really a"Global leader"!!

[@runlarryrun77]

Erm, it hasn't because this is far from the norm. If killing babies was legal & commonplace then you could say that society had come to it. Until then I'd calm down a bit.

[@runlarryrun77]

@@corneliuscornia3189 Oh yeah right, because no crimes were ever committed in the name of God or religion...

[@di7209]

This unfortunately isn’t a new thing kids have been killed throughout history for various reasons

[@onepunchflan3071]

This isn't the norm in the west but in other countries is pretty common and in the past babies were burnt or thrown of buildings during war. In the raping of nanking by the Japanese babies were impaled on bayonets. I say this only to remind you that times are much better now than they've ever been but sometimes evil like this rears it's immortal head

[@Some1outside5973]

This should be a public inquiry sack the lot at the top

[@jarikinnunen1718]

A study in the United States shows that the main cause of death in hospitals was due to treatments. So how do you tell the difference between random events and series?

[@visionacademy588]

This is like teaching . Some teachers and senior managers shouldn't work with teaching kids I seen this in my profession with the elderly and children in care .......

[@sbeast64]

"The only flag raised was the spike in deaths." If that's the only evidence, then it's not really a strong case that she's a psychopathic killer.

[@markeddowes1467]

The banality of evil …..

[@georgeraphael8198]

There's no cameras on the premises?

[@mrsTraveller64]

I hope they also investigate any possible case of children having disappeared from the area where she lives....

[@MikeZablo]

Of course she could be stopped sooner 🤦🏻 just leadership in hospital, police & justice system is useless.

[@linettewhite2122]

She.was never an angel are you kidding

[@evaninthisorn2066]

Management should be responsible for negligence. They done so little to investigate the situations. Management are as guilty as the nurse for not doing anything sooner.

[@IchaelGill]

Be careful with my comments and I would say I have been whenever I have made one in regards the nurse named Lucy Letby and no time whatsoever have I given credit to what Lucy carried out as the acts she carried out were not nice one single bit. But I have to say what I have already said the management of the hospital were Lucy was employed were to blame as well and please a message to the press give it a rest and don't make out Lucy was either playing God or was the angel of death because she was none of the two already mentioned in many of the newspapers today and yesterday Lucy wanted to be a nurse and has a true desire to care for minors many years ago but what twisted her mind from a decent human being to the person she is now known once again only she knows or maybe she can't ever explain.

[@hazelpearson7807]

The same could be said for any serial murderer, yes, if they had found the sicko. No point in agonising, it unfortunately won’t change anything for those precious babies and their families. She was caught and there will be no more lost babies and destroyed families.

[@helenweatherby1694]

Yes! The managers at the hospital enabled her and should be charged with corporate manslaughter. May they never work again.

[@danielhall4582]

When kids are involved I have faith in the uk court system. Bit off topic. I've been to court twice and they've been fair and helped me get out of the downward spiral. They can't help her. They will do the closest thing to putting her in a hole and burying her They can do. I have faith. It's a shame she wasn't caught sooner. But you never think you're working with someone who's capable of doing something so disgusting.

[@mariecarey3514]

Do NOT blame the wistleblowers. They are the ones who stopped the carnage!

[@sholehgolshani930]

Yes😢😢

[@ibleed1]

YES

[@zsmusic4321]

Doctors and nurses are getting away with this all the time. The fact that we put our trust in them allows them to take advantage. We need to know exactly what's happening every step of the way but instead we clap for the NHS 😂.

[@Ayeshteni]

"Doctors and nurses are getting away with this all the time." What a fantastic scientifically backed statement.

[@itchydez]

'we clap for the NHS' Bro is stuck in 2020.

[@mehimrc1314]

Hospitals should be FULL of cameras 📸 your there to be looked after so why fear the eye in the sky. More CCTV More safety in our hospitals. 👍

[@oseasviewer7108]

Sorry to burst your thought bubble - CCTV cameras merely record a perspective dependent on the angle the camera is viewing they are a security monitoring tool not a safety measure. In order to protect patients more staff is required (2 nurses instead of one working unsupervised) to monitor & care for vulnerable patients. And staff need to be rotated in their duties to prevent complacency.

[@melgrant7404]

No lessons were learnt from the alitt case. Hospital need sueing imo.

[@Bathsheba19]

Heartbreaking, or should maybe multiple nurses should be assigned to one person just to follow up each other

[@testcch6629]

I hope an inmate serves the appropriate justice the system will fail to carry out

[@oseasviewer7108]

Oh dear, you have verbalised what everyone is thinking but such is human nature and the instinctive sense of justice

[@lynguy8824]

Yes! Why is this even a question? Lock up yhe managers and the directors. Sue them for 2 lifetimes!

[@doloreswilliams6826]

You called her an Angel who became an Angel of death. She actually appeared an Angel but she was an Angel of death.

[@karhukivi]

What solid evidence was there against her, apart from "being there" which is circumstantial. I wish the media would report the other evidence. She had no motive and no obvious psychopathic behaviour - very strange. There was a Dutch nurse with a similar first name Lucia de Berk who was also convicted on the fact that she "was there" and also had tarot cards as a hobby, which of course was used to make her look like a killer. It is called "prosecutors fallacy". Turned out she was innocent. kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4nIdniuftmrmKc

[@ECECECECEC]

Anything on the wrongful arrest of the autistic child?

[@louiserussell8267]

If she did do it, yes, definitely she could have been stopped. If she did do it, then it could have been because of the medication she was on.

[@Twitch24]

Imo, she's a killer first, nurse second

[@JamalRiaz-cn1qw]

imo she can’t claim to be a nurse or to have ever been a nurse, she’s a psycho and shouldn’t have been in a job

[@MariaJoyce89]

I never done that

[@angloaust1575]

Could all killings be prevented! People are mutuable liable to change!

[@mrennie5158]

The consultants could have gone directly to the Police sooner. That would have forced the managers' hands.

[@IchaelGill]

When is the book coming on Lucy Letby or even the film and why not.

[@benzof5475]

Next year on Netflix

[@avalonjustin]

Sick sad people who prey on the most innocent. It turns my stomach.

[@awb17a96]

All murderers could be stopped sooner. It's a stupid question.

[@runlarryrun77]

No it isn't, yours is a stupid response & it belies a serious lack of understanding for the highly nuanced situation. If you really don't understand & you think it's that simple or black & white may I suggest you seek diagnosis of a spectrum disorder, presuming you haven't already. Then maybe leave this kind of discussion to others. It's obviously beyond you. Take care now.

[@xxczerxx]

I think it's more a question of preventative measures in the future.

[@joannegoodwin6263]

Jealous of happy families what a sicko

[@danielx8]

If she was Asian or black, yeah could be stopped sooner

[@Takashii85]

Much sooner.

[@roberta9833]

Terribile 😞

[@marie-francoiserama7052]

She is not "Let be" now. Can't be let any more.