Lucy Letby: What drove the nurse to murder seven babies? Forensic psychologist weighs in

'The act itself would have been thrilling for Lucy, boosting her narcissistic self-esteem, she kept the trophies to remember the feeling.'
Consultant forensic psychologist, Dr Naomi Murphy, gives her professional opinion as to what drove Lucy Letby to murder seven babies.
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[@chewie8]

The doctors knew it was her, it was the management who defended her.

[@tonysheerness2427]

They know who works on which ward and when does not take Sherlock Holmes to work it out. But then how much money is in baby parts?

[@chewie8]

@@tonysheerness2427 that's going down a dark hole.

[@Thirdfish]

Yeah one of them said, "let's see what happens." Unbelievable.

[@deb-1558]

I've worked in management and it wasn't suited for me cuz I could see that other management didn't give a shit for staff and always thought of themselves. They defended the staff and other members of management that were toxic. Speak your mind and you're the bad person

[@davedogge2280]

What I cannot fathom is why management just didn't investigate anyway, she was absolutely no threat to them provided they followed procedures they wouldn't have been sued by her if she had been innocent. It sounds to me that they didn't want the way was run to be inspected for something so serious but brushing it under the carpet would have got them into even more hot water - management should have known that.

[@TheFiown]

The hospital administration should be on trial along with her.

[@angr3819]

Absolutely.

[@cosmicmuffin322]

Healthcare is absolutely filled with narcissists and even psychopaths. There should be compulsory psychological screening for these personality disorders.

[@soleknight3212]

I'm not sure this is a valid statement. Worked in healthcare for many years as a researcher. Many doctors and nurses go into the profession because they are empaths. Narcissists are found in all walks of life, but one can find most tend towards positions of power

[@BigBoomOfDoom2]

@@soleknight3212 You don't think that a frontline primary healcare provider has power over the patient? Besides, even if they are rare, it would nonetheless keep them away from vunerable people.

[@soleknight3212]

@@BigBoomOfDoom2 Of course they have 'power' over the patient. But the vast majority of healthcare workers do not get into the profession to exercise such perceived power over others - at least not those on the ground or in the main. Of course, you will have your exceptions and egos will always play a part, but we all have our egos to contend with.

[@soleknight3212]

@@BigBoomOfDoom2 And yes they should still be vetted. My concern was with the statement "Healthcare is absolutely filled with narcissists and even psychopaths." Again, depends on where this is directed. If it is at Big Pharma and/or those in powerful positions of authority, I would tend to agree, but to blanket this across the medical workforce is totally inaccurate.

[@eugenebell3166]

I think you're letting your emotions run wild there. I wouldn't say healthcare is 'filled' with any one type of person

[@pemj7360]

I loved to see the parents take out a private case against the management that tried to deliberately cover this up. In my opinion they were complicit and as bad as letby. Lessons were not learnt. It's an arrogant statement to try and cover their own backs

[@cathyeast5517]

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU! THESE SO CALLED MANAGERS ARE MOST DEFINATELY AS GUILTY AS THIS HEINOUS PERSON WHO KILLED THESE BABIES & HAVE LEFT PARENTS IN A PLACE OF MOURNING THEIR CHILDREN FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.

[@winstoningram99]

​@@cathyeast5517caaaaaaaps!

[@J00Ls]

I'd represent Lucy and her family for free!! Any good decent honest solicitor would! But they'd hav to b very brave !

[@ronnieknight5436]

Absolutely. 100%

[@OceanFrontVilla3]

If management had listened to the doctors many of these babies would've been spared.

[@StellaKnights]

the police acted very quickly once they were actually informed of what was going on , manamenet at the hospital delayed this discovery by trying to cover it up , there is most definitely blood on their hands

[@ruthbashford3176]

The police investigated the case as instructed by the doctors & consultants. These doctors & consultants were suspects. Since when in any murder enquiry has the person/persons reporting the crime been discounted as a suspect before police even reach the crime scene? Their potential negligence or the possibility that they may have been the murderer was never investigated.

[@jennifertopliss1028]

Sorry but she wouldnt be a serial killer had the top dogs listened to the doctors and nurses who said they thought she was a bit off. Charge them with culpability aswell as they allowed her to carry pn murdering.

[@shazanali692]

Maybe this is a daily occurrence, every week there is suspicion, look at the number of patients who die 😊

[@Tech-Corner2023]

yeah and they say she was flat and very mediocre at work etc. so had no passion, no excitement - in a positive way and probably polite way of saying she was not good at her job.

[@llamasugar5478]

I hope other criminal/civil suits follow. It looks like little lives could’ve been saved by earlier action on the part of management.

[@nigel8499]

The Hospital Management were on extremely high paid job, around £160K what were they doing being paid so much?

[@rogercude1459]

They don't want to rock the boat or have anything that might tarnish their CV when moving to the next extremely well paid NHS Job😂

[@StellaKnights]

nhs always pays managers handsomely , its the nurses and support staff who are paid poorly

[@melgrant7404]

More to the point why did it take 3 babies to realise something was wrong.

[@StellaKnights]

becasue her methodology was almost undetectable and she was in an environment where babies dying was not uncommon

[@geraldrada]

I disagree, while at the same time disagreeing that it could have been detected after 2 babies died. It is not common for 5 babies to die in a facility like that, within that time span. No, it's not common. But 1 or 2 babies deaths are not enough to raise suspicions. Nevertheless, there were 7 dead babies and some 8 others that were almost dead. That is a too large number of incidents to be overlooked. Shame on the system for not allowing managers to be accountable. They were more interested in protecting her than in raising suspicions. That tells you how far we went in terms of protecting workers. Someone has to pay the price for overprotection of employees. In this case it was the children and the families. You can't have it all. When the Law is so worried about worker's rights, someone has to lose at the other end. It's a closed bubble: you can't give rights to one side and not restrict the rights on the other end. @@StellaKnights

[@StellaKnights]

@@geraldrada colleugues discussed the unusually high mortality rates and consultants suspected her , sadly evidence is hard to come by , I believe these wards should have cctv ,

[@christopherlloyd5038]

??

[@christopherlloyd5038]

Because so much was invested in trying to help these extremely poorly Babies regain some health, this could have been interpreted as a signal for Lucy to see a way to cause harm ..... undetected ? No, for me, it is too big a stretch to imagine that Lucy would use the failings of a Hospital System as "cover" for her crimes. And, then there is the knowledge that her own birth was difficult......ok, so why did Lucy not use this in her Defence..."Oh, i did so and so because i had a difficult start in life".....as so many criminals do........why did Lucy do her best to defend herself and her actions at work when she could easily have claimed "No Comment"....again, as do many criminals.....makes them seem all the more guilty in my book. You might argue that Lucy tried to make herself look more innocent by NOT using the "No Comment" routine....but why would she risk making a poor showing in her own strength ?? Doesn't stack up for me.........has anyone explored the possibility, however remote, that Lucy may have had Medication herself whilst at work.....seems outlandish i know, but there is a reference in her Diary to collecting a Prescription.....for what ? Also an eye appointment........curious.

[@charlescawley9923]

An almost more important question is how and why did managers fail? Internal politics seems to have been a key cause of management failure to act with what should have been lightning speed. Refusal to take internal politics seriously seems to have been lethal It appears some managers were in the process of covering up something they felt would be a disaster for the image of the hospital, if the truth came out. I'm unconvinced. It's more likely the motivation was that if the truth were known, how it would reflect on them. Job protection is one of the key objectives of internal politics. The NHS suffers from thousands of internal alliances between managers and staff forming small, in effect cancerous internal corporations, working for objectives alien to its aims and ideals

[@pemj7360]

This is another case of the system covering up their bs

[@jesusiscomingbacksoon3384]

Bet they the same Every where its corruption in management co plain and u get Sacked bet or moved And USA so bad too all the hospitals there care abt when patients wre killed is their reputation and money even worse system than here uk

[@kortenful]

Life without parole in solitary confinement.

[@SilverSquirrel]

General population with no supervision would be better. The ladies inside don't like baby killers much.

[@TeresaJ-rw3uw]

Hopefully not solitary confinement. Unlike the poor defenceless babies that she murdered, she doesn't deserve any protection from inmates.............

[@TeresaJ-rw3uw]

@@phYT01 Have you not seen the diaries that she kept where she admits to killing the babies.

[@boobrancher]

@@phYT01Yeah she’s totally innocent dude, she seems lovely 😂

[@germain1947]

I Agree

[@MsCoolBeck]

This is why my babies never left my sight in the hospital. Not even with a doctor

[@amo2464]

It's not easy though when the baby is born premature or poorly - they do take the baby for medical care / incubation etc

[@MsCoolBeck]

@@amo2464 yep they tried to take my daughter after she was born cause she was breathing poorly and my husband went with her. That baby never left our site. But I truly have compassion for these situations but my babies well being was so important to me and one of the drs I had told me not to let the baby out of my site so I took the advice. My heart breaks tho for those who can’t.

[@StellaKnights]

good for you but not always possible and not really the point is it , we should be able to trust these professionals with our newborns lives , my son was in nicu for 7 days , almost died , I trusted them , I had to because you cant be there 24/7, I was recovering from a c/section myself on a differnt ward

[@MsCoolBeck]

@@StellaKnights I totally agree with u honestly. Sad we can't trust 😢

[@Songbirdstress]

@@amo2464 Plus she sent one of the fathers home!

[@J00Ls]

Such a shame this evil keeps happening! Those who think they can get away with it really cant, can they!

[@CelticSaint]

Unfortunately she got away with it 6 times.

[@J00Ls]

@@CelticSaint karma gonna b a bitch if she didn't do it tho, huh! Mans judgement means nothing!

[@sallyramage8439]

They can. They can ride the system and enjoy breathing year after year, appeal after appeal-They will be entitled to LEGAL AID and there are RUTHLESS SOLICITIORS ABOUT, TRUST ME.

[@J00Ls]

@@sallyramage8439 I wasn't entitled to legal aid when I needed help, unfortunately. I was about £2 over the threshold?! That was because of the child benefit I was in receipt of lol... and yet Mohammed Fayed got legal aid ?! Personally I think Lucy is innocent, but money talks and men stick together!!!

[@paddychenfamilyvlog]

Evil karma won’t let her away!

[@rayvinloony2322]

I think it was because those in charge allowed her. What happened about learning lessons from the last time this heinous crime happened. Accountability now!!! 🤬

[@Steve-bo6ht]

I have feeling she's got previous and this was never picked up on when enrolling her for training, there needs to be a full in depth background and character check before anybody is even considered a place on a neonatal ward.

[@StellaKnights]

there are background checks before you can be a nurse , but if youve never been caught for anything theres nothing to see

[@christopherlloyd5038]

This applies (or should) to ANY job / career, no ? cf. the numerous Police personnel who have committed heinous crimes....rape, murder even.....whoops ! Touched a raw nerve maybe here. No, i personally do not believe that Lucy had anything vaguely sinister in her background.....unless you include pulling weird faces, getting drunk occasionally on a Girls'.night out, and being generally "labelled" as Nerdy.....whatever that implies.

[@DBd-ko9vu]

this women should be locked in a prison for the rest of her life if she is lucky. hanging would give more justice for the victims families

[@elva6671]

Why isn’t there CCTV in operation?

[@UserAK89]

Thats shocking! Other peoples infants killed! The chilling letter she had wrote she wont be having children and nor get married! She was there to destroy other ppls hope and happiness Bring caring people into care not evil!

[@StellaKnights]

how can you tell which is which , by all accounts she came across as the sweetest young woman you could ever meet , everyone loved her , so tell me , how do you know

[@christopherlloyd5038]

Lucy saying she will never have Children could also be interpreted as, because she saw so much suffering due to babies being very poorly, pre - term, and let's face it, struggling to survive, ......AND her own known difficult birth......Lucy had arrived at her decision not to ever have Children. Does this make her a Killer.......i think not.

[@melissamartin8208]

All parents need to file a class-action lawsuit against hospital management, nurse manager of unit, and others who ignored doctor's concerns. Lucy was the "perfect storm" for turning into a psychopathic killer. Perhaps she was a selfish only child with entitlement, manipulation behaviors, lack of empathy for others, always the center of attention, need for drama, and she chose a profession where she could exercise God-like power and control over innocent babies. And did she want the attention of the one doctor that came to the unit when babies needed emergency care that she said she loved but "only friends"? Was there an affair between the nurse and doc?

[@paulinegallagher7821]

I dont think so. He felt sorry for her, he stupidly got sucked into her pathetic need for constant reassurance and sympathy, and he was happy to give evidence against her.

[@iwearLingerie]

That wouldn't be good the NHS is already facing hard times a class action lawsuit would ruin us all

[@brocktonblockbuster6555]

This case doesn’t make sense. 7 babies dead, on the same ward, on the same shift, by the same nurse. Nah.

[@annegordon6725]

You frequently see in TV dramas the management covering up matters but the sad things is, it's very real. Heartbreaking for all concerned. Those concerned should be investigated for corporate manslaughter.

[@blakasmurf]

In my experience managers generally just want to pick a a pay cheque and go home. They dont deal with anything, and just want business as usual. While all the people who do the real work are the ones driving everything forward. It took doctors doing the real work to get her out

[@ronnieknight5436]

The death penalty should be brought back.

[@TheJthom9]

Do you know why it was abolished? Look up Timothy Evans

[@brettessex5634]

@@TheJthom9 Exactly. A surprisingly high number of people sentenced to death in the latter years of the death penalty where later understood to be wrongly convicted such as Timothy Evans, Derick Bently etc. People who comment this type of stuff do so purely out of emotion and have no idea of the consequences.

[@ronnieknight5436]

@@TheJthom9 Tony Blair abolished it funnily enough 🤔

[@FootkerSnookball]

@ronnieknight5436 Whole life in prison is as bad as death penalty if not worse.

[@richardarcher3435]

The 'Why?' is the most important question of all, otherwise how do you get anywhere in trying to prevent it happening again?

[@Thirdfish]

She won't last long in jail, I bet her card is marked.

[@pemj7360]

As much as I would love to agree but she will be on a rule 43 . Protection

[@Spaceman-jk5fb]

Rose is still ok

[@Thirdfish]

How do u know.

[@pemj7360]

@Thirdfish it's common practice that murders of this type will always be on protection 43 . Nounses child rapists and killers will never be let loose in general prison population. Or they wouldn't last 10 minutes. More the shame as her and her type deserve no protection

[@Thirdfish]

A whole life tariff is a long time to look over her shoulder. @@pemj7360

[@viola1699]

They haven’t got any hard evidence that was her. If you look in to it closely it is just wishy washy.

[@viola1699]

@danswhite8544 they haven’t got any post-mortem for any of the babies. Investigation started only 2 years after they died.

[@garethlloyd4716]

Tbf it is possible she could be a scapegoat for a failing nhs. Or been set up but with the evidence it’s hard to ignore. Her not turning up to court today for her sentancing for me made her 100% guilty

[@viola1699]

@sudenims5235 this is circumstantial trial not based on direct evidence. DNA is not needed because you would probably find it anyway as she was touching the babies but without postmortem there is no evidence. How can you decide that someone died of air embolism without having scans or postmortem? You can only assume. Is that good enough for you? Would you like the doctor making diagnosis on you and treating you blindly without evidence? 🤔

[@johns1665]

OK...what is the date/time of her execution? Will it be televised? It should be.

[@InvisibleVicky]

Here in uk we don’t have the death penalty

[@monicazebra4394]

Evil lives inside her heart

[@davedogge2280]

3:50 EXACTLY THIS, the 'why' she did it is just almost ignored in the face of the courts etc. But the 'why' is important, because if you know why then maybe you can spot similar crimes earlier.

[@StellaKnights]

@@phYT01 this is not a miscarriage of justice , a 9 month trial and weeks of jury deliberation is no joke , why someone does something so heinous is often never incovered , but my guess would be to get the attention and time of the doctor she was obsessed with, she may also have been very jeolous of anyone starting a family as she felt that she would never find love or have children

[@geraldrada]

I disagree, with all respect. The easiest way to detect psychopaths is not through the studying of their potential motivations but through the study of their modus operandi. The motivations are endless, on the specific level (vengeance for a past act, hate towards a specific population, etc.) and too diffuse on the upper level (envy, selfishness, power craving, frustration, egocentrism) to be able to be useful. The modus operandi are much, much more limited and visible. I advise you to read "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin de Beker. If you study the modus operandi you have the best methods to detect them. Not by engaging in highly subjective, redundant, debates on motivation. We all know the basic motivators for these individuals: need for power/dominance; crave for stimulation; deviant sexual desire; compensation for childhood frustration/trauma.

[@deepershade]

​@phYT01 Well, that's pissing all over the commitment of the jury who gave time away from their families and fully committed to the case, to the point if it taking an emotional toll on them. Not only that but they considered each charge under its own merits. This is anything but a miscarriage if justice and to state otherwise is massively disrespectful to those men and women.

[@davedogge2280]

@@deepershade that's a good point, the jury involved in this case, anonymous and the long drawn out case must have really had a deep psychological impact on some. Imagine being presented with the details of each infant death and how she was believed to have carried out the murder, what does that make you think about what people out there are capable of ? I don't think I could do it even if I had the time commitment.

[@barbarajones9385]

A few lawyers. Unless they know all the details of the case, it's hard to see how they can make this judgment. It's mainly circumstantial, true; but a huge mound of circumstantial.

[@SuperDudesnow]

Need to address poor management by narcissistic individuals. At any hint of criminal behaviour it should have been reported to the police. I think now care should be done in pairs and cctv installed in all baby care settings.

[@nigeltickner5685]

it makes me sick, when all these so-called experts come on, & give it the big one,, telling people,, how murderers think, act, & perform?

[@donnalloyd7195]

Narcissistic behaviour is not always to this extreme, however narcissistic behaviour is cruel and effects children and families on a daily basis, thank god for iPhones trophies and diaries, DNA is fabulous, however, the police can always trace the wrong uns , how fabulous is that . Even if it’s only on record.and this individual got nailed, looking forward to Monday and what her narcissism is going to prevent going forward 👍

[@peaceout1453]

No direct evidence, its all circumstantial. This has happened many times before.

[@BAKEDPOTATOLARDYASS]

All it takes is to phone the police yet no one did…such cowards

[@annephillips8494]

I disagree, I would very much like to know why she murdered these Babies.

[@renataostertag6051]

So do I. I have a feeling, it was to impress a doctor that she had a huge crush on with her "medical" knowledge.

[@Bobby-LeeChanning]

I can tell you .....ATTENTION. she is disconnected from normal reciprocal feelings and thrives on grief junkying ....what better access to genuine emotion than the death of a child .....she got addicted to the awesome massive emotion

[@annephillips8494]

@@Bobby-LeeChanning I have no doubt, and have my own opinions.However I disagreed that no one is interested in the motive .Well I thought they needed on for a Murder anyway.But another post said there wasn't one discerned, so we can all speculate.. All you need is actus reus and men's rea proved Not the same as motive.

[@garethlloyd4716]

I personally think jealousy she’s single in her 30s no children of her own and saw happy families coming to hospital

[@carrington8999]

This proves demons aren’t fictional.

[@mercelesaba8492]

That's a demon

[@cherylcarl4344]

Evil! Turn her loose in prison and let the other inmates deal with her. I wouldn't shed a tear!

[@winstoningram99]

She'll be safe, I'm afraid. Standards are high. This isn't El Salvador

[@queenofhearts9186]

Criminals don’t have a certain look, and don’t have to look tough.

[@paulinegallagher7821]

The most evil people on earth are the most beige, gormless looking people youve ever seen.

[@brianknox7306]

Demons ….

[@John-fz6bw]

Very good analysis by both the psychologist and the police officer in this GBNews interview.

[@h3arty]

Can you just imagine how the other parents and patients of that hospital and other hospitals around the UK will now feel? This is a trauma for all of us. I already don't want a baby for many other reasons, but now I definitely could never imagine bringing an innocent soul into this sick, evil world. It's immoral, in my opinion, to have kids when things are this awful. I could never leave my kid with anyone, and this story just shows that not even your white, young, sweet looking woman is trustworthy. TRUST NO ONE WITH YOUR CHILDREN!!

[@79488djrolw]

White 😅 ur telling on urself

[@amo2464]

What an odd comment. As far as Im aware, the majority of serial killers in the UK have been white

[@SoldUrSoul24982]

Now we know your motives! Paid agitator by any chance are you? What about the Rotherham grooming gangs? Never mentioned those, why?

[@ksmith5856]

First of all... white?? Any and all races, male and female are killers! Don't even go there! With that type of talk, you should not have children. And last, evil hasn't just been here since you were born, it's been around since the beginning of life, there is just more social media to hear about it now. How old are you?

[@brettessex5634]

Interesting choice of adjectives. *awkwardly crab walks away*

[@joeking7707]

For some reason my memory is recalling this woman being arrested for this a decade ago.its strange but i keep feeling like this happened years ago.

[@shazanali692]

Yes I was thinking about this as well,

[@tinajefferies5682]

Beverley Gail Allitt is an English nurse serial killer who was convicted of murdering four infants, attempting to murder three others, and causing grievous bodily harm to a further six at Grantham and Kesteven Hospital, Lincolnshire between February and April 1991.

[@benwestwood2061]

Highly disagree about the 'not needing to look for a motive'. it's an important question that always needs to be asked and the effort taken in doing so. It's too important not to consider when building cases and prosecuting in my opinion,. I fear 'not needing a motive' being a philosophy will prevent people asking the deep and needed questions in a world with so many smokes and mirrors because we never know if in 30 years time we come to discover the story wasn't what we thought or made it appear so. U never know.

[@rumbarumba1]

All we know is she was seeking attention from a doctor Thats well messed up It certainly brings yo fore again what humans are capable of and thats a scary thought

[@sallyhobbit1956]

Let the families set the sentence.

[@sallyhobbit1956]

Victims of crime have less rights than serial killers. What a sad state we are in. @phoebecaulfield4062

[@stansmith7701]

Anyone know if she was in a satanic cult or freemasonry?

[@martynblackburn9632]

The other Christian religion?

[@tanyahall2735]

I’m so DISGUSTED the way they are still victimising this murderer by making excuses about split personality and all of this BS because she’s a ‘vanilla’ white women. She had a choice not to face the victims, who will be scarred for life and when a DOCTOR of colour reported her, the management reprimanded the doctors, possibly causing further deaths by delaying her arrest. Everyone should be ashamed and disgusted by the way this absolute murderous monster has got off LIGHTLY.

[@tanyahall2735]

UK do better. Same thing happened with that police officer, who killed and assaulted that woman. Stop putting these crazy people in positions of power and then letting them get away with it because they don’t look like the ‘regular’ criminal 👀 (complexion wise)

[@tanyahall2735]

And lastly, I hope they charge/investigate ALL management involved for being complicit to a crime

[@kanewest7563]

​@@tanyahall2735if it was a black or Asian person they would be naming them all sorts but because she's white they are trying to have a soft spot for her

[@tanyahall2735]

@@kanewest7563 if this was a black or Asian nurse, she would’ve been CRUCIFIED and all healthcare staff of colour would be dealing with triple the abuse they already suffer within the workplace due to discrimination. It’s disgusting the way they have dealt with a serial killer because of how she looks. Embarrassing.

[@MichaeITheGreat]

Disgraceful individual. They should bring back the execution for people like this doesn’t deserve the comforts of a prison cell funded by taxpayers.

[@icantcook9998]

She will get butchered in jail they do not take kindly to child killers in jail she will rotten hell hopefully

[@paulinegallagher7821]

Whole life order is better punishment. Her support is gone, apart from her deluded parents, and she will have to live every day knowing she is the most hated woman in England. She will miss hurting babies for attention, her whole life as she knew it is over.

[@ahill4642]

So glad they figured out. 😞 So sad for the families, the innocent angel babies.

[@winstoningram99]

Angel babies? I think these ones were humans

[@twistedbuddhaha]

What drove her bosses to cover it all up...and she like gislane maxwell has been found guilty with no evidence

[@private_soul]

She has been convicted and did the actions...the senior manager didn't go the police and ignored doctors concerns.

[@SoldUrSoul24982]

​@@private_soulDidn't you learn anything from the plandemic? Do you still never question anything? No proof she is guilty. Senior management sound possibly guilty, now two former employees. When doctors/paediatricions suggested it be reported to police & they refused, one of management said doctors needed to be reported to the GMC. Ian Harvey wasn't it? Why would he turn on all the doctors like that & make them all write apology letter to Lucy? (Use your thinking skills, eyes & ears).

[@SoldUrSoul24982]

I suspect the bosses are possibly guilty of what they are accusing Lucy of & shifting the blame onto Lucy, do you? Was it Ian Harvey made them all write & sign an apology letter to Lucy? Could he have also made Lucy write the notes in her bedroom?

[@janlittle2148]

I think the jury who spent 9 months on this case know more than you.

[@SoldUrSoul24982]

@@janlittle2148 The bosses did cover it up for a long while. Why are you here lying they didn't!?

[@cheyenneherdigeintoney8215]

Why is she still called a nurse and not a serial killer?

[@ValTwineDeaner]

Why do we hear all those at the top, constantly say, over and over again, lessons will be learned - we all know that's just a load of bs. Lessons never seem to be learned these days. It's all we ever hear, over and over again. Those at the top are evil. We just let them all get away with with evil. That is what is in our world - pure Goddam evil. I reckon this is hell. Hopefully all of us who realise the evil, will go on to heaven in the next life.

[@bettyboossister3918]

Why did it have to get as far as Baby K for it to be investigated by the doctors to then alert management???....They should have investigated at Baby A....DISGRACEFUL....The doctors and managers have blood on their hands...Also why did Lucy become fragmented...Why is no one investigating the parents???

[@irenekodac3511]

The parents of the dead babies should launch a class action suit against the hospitals which knew for months if not a year of the killer's actions and did nothing.

[@MJMS88]

It's all very well the Doctors and nurses coming out now saying 'We new she was dangerous,but no one was listening'. GO TO THE POLICE YOURSELF THEN!!! The evidence was clear as day.

[@peterg8774]

No No No! The Doctors had to apologise to her. Imagine the crushed ego"s. There's no evidence for her conviction. None at all.

[@francescostello1377]

How many spins, how many more days on this Are GB going to report?

[@peterteagleteagle9958]

People are looking for answers, and there isn't any

[@MC-mf6yi]

The clinicians also need to own this: In June 2015 evidence of criminal intent was recorded in the clinical notes of the baby who died unexpectedly. The standard clinical review of the records should have but didn't see it. Had they done so it would have triggered the police investigation at that point. Not until the police requested that the records be reviewed in Feb 2018 was this evidence found. This is the signal. Everything else is imo just noise. The evidence was the insulin level. The lay person who'd seen a couple of episodes of Miss Marple would have tracked this down before 2 years and 8 months had elapsed.

[@crazybirdladieslaura5647]

The people in charge of the hospital are just as guilty as her

[@winstoningram99]

No they aren't. They didn't murder any babies

[@mrlions420]

The why isn't important to police work?

[@karlydoc]

The Police did the Hospital didn't.

[@ruthbashford3176]

The police investigated as instructed by the doctors and consultants. These doctors and consultants were suspects. Since when in any potential murder enquiry has the person/persons reporting the crime been discounted as a suspect before police even reach the crime scene? Their potential negligence or the possibility they may have been the murderer was never investigated.

[@miriamhaynes5217]

The poor parents the anger and trauma they must be going through. The pain she inflicted on those poor babies🙏🙏

[@gladyssannahmthombeni6501]

What were the results of coroner after first baby death. Why investigation was not done

[@LR-yu3mx]

To do such a crime, a person has to be demon-possessed imo

[@TheDeadofNightAmbience]

Shouldn't Esther and Phil be serving their constituents not hosting the news?

[@anndoig2459]

Jekyll and Hyde ?

[@katherinepoli7929]

I dont understand why no dr. check the reason from start why baby die, after next,and next….?.

[@emmachandler6780]

Colin thanku x

[@joesophie90]

Wasn't her motive for killing these babies because she felt that she was not good enough. She wrote in one of her many notes that she will never have children or marry or know what it's like to have a family, suggesting to me that she was jealous.

[@fredphipps9452]

But these were not murders; the hospital obviously had its problems and a bad reputation

[@riptideog8783]

We will never know why

[@Heidi1466]

A shame people get away with Murders My sister is a example😢

[@Chaingun]

2:14 the monster's terror is over

[@timothykings6243]

Most people in authoritiive jobs need psychological vetting,the power goes to all their heads...egotistical narcissists....

[@franciscolealgonzalez1333]

There are no words to describe this type of diabolical psychopaths. This waste of life must never see the day of light. Sadly, there's no capital punishment in the UK.

[@corrinathinks]

Blessed is the Barren woman! The world is cold & evil why bring children into the world knowing it's demise is near? Why go through surgery not knowing the long term consequences? Operations should only be performed for life threatening conditions not vanity!

[@sallyramage8439]

IF and when the spoken about 'inquiry' takes place, the most important things we need to remember and note include: [1] An inquiry must begin "as soon as possible" whilst the facts and documentation are ALL available. Usually court papers are stored away after three months and to retrieve them costs about £100 per page and-who is to be blamed when CRUCIAL documents disappear? [2] Such formal inquiry must be strictly conducted as per the UK Inquiry Statute, regardless of time taken in total because much will be revealed, notwithstanding the fact the the UK is in fact number three among top 'rogue states' in the world. [3] Over decades the NHS has cost hundreds of Billions of Pounds. Since we are not the sickest nation in the World, nor the largest in number, much of this money's travels has been obscured by crooked high-level accountants. [4] An inquiry will reveal the extent of counterfeited medical notes; exact deaths with exact causes in maternity sections of UK hospitals; total number of still-borns in the UK annually; total number of neonatal deaths annually within the whole of the UK. [5] Administrators are quick to say that medical records cannot be altered but that is after they have been composed by incompetent nurses and signed of by laxadaisical doctors. [6] There needs to be FRESH NEW UNIFORM Policies and Procedures within ALL HOSPITALS IN THE UNITED KINGDOM, Mental Health & Care Homes for very ill patients and maternity hospitals, etc. ALL MEDICAL NOTES IN THIS COUNTRY HAVE NOT BEEN CORRECTLY SCANNED IN AND COMPUTER RECORDS MADE FOR EACH UK CITIZEN. Nurses and doctors can play God with people's lives and we would be none the wiser. [7 ] There must be uniform publicly-made Policies and Procedures for all staff in NHS Hospitals against the Conflict of Intrest possible when they commit adultery with another Member of Staff and must declare their interest in formal forms when they become maritally attached to each other. [8] ALL BABIES' DEATHS IN HOSPITAL -stillborn AND neonata-l must be recorded in new statutory LEDGERS AND IN COMPUTERISED FORMS for eternity. THESE MUST BE NATIONALLY AVAILABLE TO APPROPRIATE POLICE OFFICERS IN DATABASES MUCH LIKE THE UN ITED STATES CODIS database- to prevent crime in general, killers-at-large and identity thefts of dead babies. Sally Ramage www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/

[@susettemclachlan8765]

Excuse me, our Abortion clinics have killed 10 million babies in Britain and if that’s not regarded as a crime . . . What is?

[@ohwell94]

What you are watching IS a crime you dunderhead

[@thelasttrumpet2915]

And in some states in the US it is legal to kill children up until the time of birth - and even after!!

[@zoomby4380]

@sysettemclchlan Remember that men are freely and eagerly giving away their sperm. If men regarded their sperm and kept their sperm to themselves....we would not have to have abortions. Men are part off 😅this issue....if men did not distribute their sperm so eagerly....pregnancy would not occur. Do you recommend to men to use a condom....condom use would also reduce Sex transmission disease...STD'S... Help by talking to Men to use condoms....then abortions may reduce...and STD'S.....double fix 2 issues....😮

[@janlittle2148]

You have you own views on abortion of course but to compare it to the killing of babies who have been born and are very much loved and wanted is disgusting.

[@susettemclachlan8765]

@@janlittle2148 all babies are equally valuable whether loved or not. Taking a life at any stage is murder

[@christopherlloyd5038]

So much analyzing, assumption, and speculation....

[@Musicch-gi8ej]

The media makes out that psychos are pure bad but they are not, some psychos can work for charities and have plenty of friends and workmates. She is addicted to killing babies and is a psychopath, her good side did a good job of covering all this up she could be capable of doing bad things. That is why is so terribly shocking

[@elizabethdarley8646]

Were these aborted babies or full term babies?

[@SusanBedford]

There’s more than 7

[@Moto.roller.]

Who let her kill that many?

[@simonwilton3546]

Medical cover-up, who would have thought it?

[@TeresaJ-rw3uw]

Let's hope that inmates at the prison can get to her and dole out justice.

[@samsonlovesyou]

McVey sucks in this role. Sounds like my anxiety-riddled auntie accidentally wandered onto a news set.

[@jahanarakhatun6272]

এবার আপনারাই বিচার করুন যে , আমাদের দেশের যুবক ভাইরা কি জঘন্য কাজ করতো , আর তাদের কি শাস্তি হাওয়া উচিত ? এখন শাস্তি তো অর্ধেক পেয়ে গেছে l যাহোক , আমি এজন্য লিখলাম যে , আপনারা পুরো জানেন না , তাই l

[@matthewcook9404]

Simple …. she watched GBeebies ….

[@katherinepoli7929]

The death will be no solution let person, to understand mistakes,such a terrible suffer of all families

[@MacHip-ew1ph]

She must be psychotic.. I think she did live around trauma she enjoyed trauma ..but she also was bad maybe ..I think psychotic trauma more paranoid trauma

[@forlatagate1]

This is evidence that God is real and the devil is real, unfortunately people can't except evil, so they try to rationalise it by asking questions like why did Lucy kill, it's very obvious but let's rationalise it🎉

[@unrealeck]

Your god is immoral as it watched it happen and did nothing to stop it. If you knew it was happening, I'm sure you would stop it. You wouldn't sit there and say 'it's fine let the babies die, god will sort it out later'.

[@79488djrolw]

Yeah i think everything is demonic too

[@rogercude1459]

Now your talking Fantasyland with a God😂

[@79488djrolw]

@@rogercude1459 u dont need to believe! Go enjoy your disbelieving ways! To me is my way to u is urs!

[@rogercude1459]

@@79488djrolw just ask a Bible preacher where do the Fossils come from that are Millions of years old😂

[@melgrant7404]

Of course she's two people.

[@melanatedandlovingit1305]

Don't care about the motive hun. I couldn't care less.

[@josephfraser3501]

Joseph Fraser loves Marianne Meciar from Brisbane Queensland Australia

[@jahanarakhatun6272]

আর আমি নাকি শিশুদের দুই চোখে দেখতে পারিনা কুকুর বলি , বলি টোকাই l আমার এসব কথা বলাটা বড় কারণ আছে l সাধ করে তো আর এসব কথা কেউ বলে না , তাইনা ?

[@keewng]

Why Lucy Letby! Health Authority is responsible for allowing Lucy Letby to work on her own where legally a second nurse to check pre-IV injection or to spot common mistakes like airbuble in syringe, also writing notes like 'I am evil' a natural guild when patient die but to use 'I am evil' note as evidence is circumstantial also Clinical notes could identify the actual killer, Doctor could killed too due to overworked. Having worked in NHS there times Clinical staff were their pants and 12 hours without a drink on a busy winter day. Most times Doctor work in access of 22 hours without a break and accident on patients occured.

[@MacHip-ew1ph]

It's her drug was it a calming drug or a energy drug..maybe energy killers enjoy the regret sickness ..I guess she was a calm killer she got a calmness...

[@blakasmurf]

Yeah I agree with this I think that was stress management for her. I think her motivation was the devestation caused to the families, she displayed incel like behaviour and I think it was her way of taking from them what she didn't have.

[@anneeden8365]

The reason she killed was because It gives extreme pleasure

[@mikewelch3747]

Shes the female version of Harold shipman