Lufthansa's HUGE Plans For Their Boeing 747 SHOCKS The Entire Aviation Industry!

the German airline Lufthansa, has 27 out of the 120 active Boeing 747 passenger planes currently in service, making up nearly 25% of the total. They've announced that they don't plan to retire these planes anytime soon. While it's their decision, many are surprised and wonder why Lufthansa is holding onto these planes. But to understand, we need to go back in time.
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[@binichalleinehier]

Not worth watching! All you learn: Lufthansa has an own maintenance. That’s why they still fly 747. 🙈🙈🙈

[@michaelrivers5213]

Thanks, you just saved me 8 minutes 😂😂

[@modeledits878]

Same lol😊

[@modeledits878]

😂*

[@gorak9000]

This is clearly AI generated garbage

[@tazocitrus]

Save yourself 8 minutes of listening to that painful AI voice.

[@velocityjet1884]

Thanks to Lufthansa, the 747 is still alive in passenger flights.

[@tjr4459]

The 747 is so beautiful, I’m glad Lufthansa is sticking to it!

[@LukasHosek-yp4zs]

I am glad that the 747 will continue to operate. I haven't flown with them yet and I'm about to fly. 🎉

[@josephszot5545]

Why keep the B-747, easy! Lufthansa owns them and knows them, designed by great Boeing engineers. Who loved the business of making planes, a vocation not just a job! B-747 is good for 10 or more years. Continue your rule, Queen of the skies!

[@patrickcannell2258]

And when Boeing was run by engineers and not MBAs like now.

[@lindycorgey2743]

Versus the High School Dropouts who designed the current Boeing Aircraft on their PlayStation System.

[@patrickcannell2258]

@@lindycorgey2743 Sounds like Rush.

[@MusicianBread3690]

And Lufthansa are Gigachads

[@davemiller6055]

@@lindycorgey2743 It's Airbus that runs on joysticks.

[@funmilolaogunsola2989]

The Queen of the Skies cannot be beaten! The 747 is a wonderful aircraft!

[@kaptain-wendel7630]

Call me outdated and old, but I love to fly in a 747. With the galleys and partitions in the seating pattern it is one of the most comfortable planes for long haul. Especially the possibility to roam around the cabin and change from the left to the right isle at the back of the plane makes it unique to me. It is the only cabin, where you have the option to stand&stretch without bothering other passengers. I specially favor the third-last row in economy in the Lufthansa setup. This is where the fuselage allows only a 2-4-2 seating instead of the 3-4-3 leaving a nice big space between the window seat and the fuselage.

[@blameyourself4489]

Titles like this describe everything going wrong for KZbin.

[@lohikarhu734]

regardless of newer and "better" Airbus aircraft, we've always found some "something" about 747 flights that works...ventilationailes, galleys, toilets...just some kind of Gestalt, even in economy

[@earllutz2663]

After you said newer (2 engine planes ) offer better fuel economy, I paused the video. The newer 2 engine planes also appear to offer more crashes, either by untrained mechanics or by design.

[@grahamr56]

Sitting in Business class from SFO to LHR (got bumped up from Economy sometimes, thanks to FF status) with a Glenmorangie watching the sun dropping over Canada - that's my happy memory of 747. All-time favourite!

[@supportdesk7703]

Same here.. awesome times back in 2010-2014 SFO -AMS on KLM SFO back then wasn’t yet the shite hole it now has become.

[@jag524]

Huge Plans! cliick bait... Their big plan is to continue to operate their fleet of 747's since the majority of them are -8 and are relatively new and have substantial airframe life left.

[@StevenSmith-jt6yg]

One thing the 747-8 has over other jets, it's the fastest commercial airliner. Over a long haul it makes a difference. Can reach mach.92 and comfortable cruise at mach .85

[@jt92]

Is there really that big of a difference between cruising at mach .82 and .85? What's that like a 20-30 min difference on a transatlantic trip?

[@HANNIBAL30ro]

@@jt92 does it matter? its 30mins of your lifetime per flight. you make it a monthly flight you win 6 hours of life per year. I'll fuckin take it!

[@ShaunHensley]

@@HANNIBAL30rodon’t you love how people who are not you imply they should have an opinion on how much time you should be willing to waste? The audacity of some people is off the charts

[@goldorakrak8939]

​@@HANNIBAL30ro I recently cut my time to shit from 4 to 3 minutes. I poo twice a day, so I save 60 minutes a month, 12 hours of life per year. Half a day !! You should try...

[@nightraver56]

@@jt92 you've clearly never spent 1 of 3 days flying. youll think different

[@casualmacgamer-ie8ie]

I flew with their 747-8 to Hong Kong, I wasn’t expecting it and was very happy when I approached the gate a and saw it parked there. They look amazing

[@richjames2540]

Lufthansa is probably the best carrier in Europe and the 747 8i makes a perfect fit for the brand. There is a definite preference amongst first class pax. I love row 1,,,

[@user-wy7zw8os6s]

I remembered that around year 2014 when I was at Federal Way, Washington. I sometimes went out to do business at morning time. I could spot Lufthansa 747-8 approaching Sea-Tac International Airport runway. Very remarkable and impressive. Maybe it is one reason that Lufthansa wants to keep 747-8 flying in the sky.

[@jimcaufman2328]

A paid for aircraft is cheaper to operate than a plane with a monthly payment.

[@keithwalker6892]

Agree Wonderful. That fuselage interior design unique and loved riding up top there

[@davemiller6055]

What the AI robovoice didn't explain well is that Lufthansa puts business class upstairs, so those folks are basically in a private plane. They have their own dedicated crew up there and their own bathrooms. They don't even see economy class. similar with 1st class. It's up front in the nose. Again, no contact with economy. And they have windows that almost face forward. The seats are actually in front of the pilots too. This makes the 1st and business class experience unique. No other plane can offer this. People paying for those high priced seats like this. And with the high demand for these classes at Lufthansa, this makes the 747 profitable despite the 4 engines. Couple that with the Lufthansa Technik thing and the nostalgia, it's a good strategy.

[@victortaveira8271]

Lufthansa businesses mode is quite like Emirates and it’s owner of the biggest MRO and aircraft lessors

[@chuckswinden1635]

I flew on the 747 just last year, its been a dependable aircraft and built like a tank, I love it. way to go Lufthansa.

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

Good for them, a plane is as good as it's maintenance, and theirs is great. Keep it!

[@HaroldBrice]

@BigEightiesNewWave: it is not it's, it is its. It requires attention to detail to build, maintain, and operate airplanes.

[@wil8115]

the newer 747-8s are more cost effective per seat. that was the number #1 reason they parked all the -400s and the a380s during the c***d years. only recently brought back into service both older models as demand raised.

[@ionychel]

I'm sorry, but I have to ask. Why the hell are you scared to write out the word covid? It is not a swear word.

[@barsevisgi]

All about financial reasons, since they have facilities, maintenance teams, tools, equipments, cabin and flight crews, most importantly operation experience..

[@controlfreak1963]

I flew one of these back from Europe in 2019 and it was a great experience.

[@HaroldBrice]

For you true enthusiasts, the book "747" written by Joe Sutter will impress you. Mr. Sutter was raised on a hill overlooking Boeing Field. He was the project manager for the 747. Got my first 747 ride on a flight to Hawaii in 1970, I think it was Northwestern. Anyway, on the return there was almost no one on the flight and I was able to pull the arm rests in the center row and lay down. Long live the Queen. Maybe convert the 747 to two engines? Helluva an airframe, sort of makes me think of the B-52. Our oldest daughter is a long-time flight attendant for United. She flew redeye on the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania on 9-11. We have an affinity for all things fly.

[@fra93ilgrande]

GIGACHAD 🗿 Lufthansa still flying all most famous quad jets: A340, A380, 747 💪🔝🔥🇩🇪

[@patrickcannell2258]

Still in use daily by Lufthansa between Johannesburg, South Africa and Frankfurt

[@josephszot5545]

Still remember the first B-747 I saw, a National Airlines B-747-100 landing 9 left at KMIA.

[@naftyloescher]

You are mainly right but at 3:30 the A380 is the Flagship with the most modern Interior now

[@lilibethdoherty295]

Das ist sehr Interessant.

[@briand2614]

First flight was on a Wardair 747 from YYZ to the UK (Prestwick?) in the early 80's. Great experience when even coach seemed special. Then numerous flights with Northwest to Japan in the 90's, then EVA, Korean, Cathay, JAL, and Virgin in the 2000's. I'll always remember the long and lumbering takeoff run, and the 41,000 ft. cruises over the arctic circle, with the occasional view of the northern lights. Probably my least memorable flight was in Business Class on the upper deck of a Northwest flight. They still had smoking in some sections of the flights. The row in front of me was smoking and there was this portly fellow who was a chain smoker. Uggg what a miserable flight. Northwest's 747-400's were very well used.

[@peterjohansson739]

That was SHOCKING.

[@goetzkleinschmidt5699]

What?

[@mavricxx]

Much prefer the proven 747 over the new stuff Boeing is pumping out. With their reputation through the ground, I would much rather fly a 747 than any other new Boeing Aircraft at the moment. The older ones seem more air worthy than the new ones.

[@1Maverick747]

I’m glad Lufthansa has decided to keep the 747s. It’s the only reason I still fly with them. I wish they would use the 747-400 on their Frankfurt - Singapore route though.

[@lightbox617]

The 747 is sort of like the Boeing military B52. Not only will the 747 be fitted with new engine with greater thrust and fuel efficiency but also may be refitted with a 2 engine variant. The 747 may be the last great Boeing

[@tottui15]

Love 747-400

[@trentnicolajsen3731]

On a 18 hour flight from LAX to Australia you need a fast plane, and for crossing the pacific you really do need 4 jet engines. and you need the stability, and speed to maneuver around storms, you need the number of people and the amount of cargo to subsidize the flight that is going to have a high fuel use. once you have people trained to maintain, repair or rebuild such a plane, it becomes more efficient and safer, you can not place such carbon use over the safety of peoples lives, but in many ways planes filled with people on very long hall flights rather then planes just jumping to each major airport rather then build a high speed train system that brings people to cross continental or cross country flights. there still is no huge design shape change in passenger jets, just really updates in added tec.

[@GhummoIn]

747 is not a must for LAX to Sydney flights. 787, A380 and the A350 can do it without any issue. And 4 engines are better than 2 engines for long-haul flight logic is irrelevant today. Most newer planes have only 2 engines.

[@ooops372]

Another KI Video. A similar -manually created- video gives another reason with more stress: The big amount and the separate location of business (upper deck) and first (front of airplane) class seats. They are able to over-compensate the lower efficiency.

[@jdg5022]

Long Live the Queen of the Skies!!!

[@slatkismedenjak]

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[@Arun999]

I flew the Lufthansa 747. Good plane. Just wish they can have better inftotainment system. And Wi-Fi. I flew it in 2014. So I’m not sure if it’s been updated

[@CaneBTC]

Nice craft. I flew first cass once to Hawaii, but the attendants were distrought as I slept the whole time in the bus style back row. I was 11 though, didnt give a F about the service

[@user-fi3ym9js7c]

I've flown on a Lufthansa's 747-8 and it's a wonderful plane, Queen of the Skies. I personally think the passenger comfort is better than any 777 that I've flown on. I do prefer the A350 to the 777's I've been on.

[@Subgunman]

This airline has so much invested in a maintenance facility they also support other carriers that operate these aircraft which includes freighter aircraft. This airline has also brought back the "blow dryer aircraft" the Airbus A340 into service. I have seen these in routes to SouthAfrica and the orient. This aircraft was rushed into production by Airbus only to have their plans set back when the original supplier of the engines slated for use on it had technical issues with the engines. Airbus had to settle for less powerful engines. These engines are the more older classic low bypass engines that are not as economical to operate. As demand soared they brought these aircraft out of storage, brought them up to code and then placed them on routes to low income countries.

[@TheGospelQuartetParadise]

I'm surprised that more people are not commenting on that very fact. Lufthansa Technik lays claim as one of the world's biggest Boeing 747 outfitters, having done 28 to date. The aircraft requires special expertise and repair capabilities; we are still number one because Lufthansa is still flying the 747-400 and the 747-8. Lufthansa Technik can do everything short of making the airframe. Not only do they keep their 747's constantly upgraded, but also contract to other airlines to keep theirs airworthy as well.

[@craigbrown5359]

Lufthansa has a maintenance staff that is so familiar with this aircraft that it makes no sense to retrain all of those folks in the short term...plus, parts are plentiful as many 747s have been mothballed!

[@stephenbagwell8275]

They're also still flying the Airbus A340-300!

[@rashadabdullah9769]

Why not upgrade the engines on the 747?

[@thomasschoberwalter5770]

So i must fly a 747 on Lufthansa 😊❤

[@richard8181]

Being SQUASHED UP in some aircraft does NOT appeal to MOST people, especially when your 180cm 5ft11” talk average height and you can’t sit straight in your allocated seat. So good on you Lufthansa ❤ B747

[@wildtrak6735]

The 747 is not as quiet as the 777?! Not in ny experience. I flew on both the 747-400 and the 777-200 and the 777 was significantly louder. The time in the 747 was over all a lot better.

[@michaelschweitzer7267]

I flew the Lufthansa 747 in business. It’s great. I much prefer it over the 350.

[@garyhughes2446]

The 747 was designed very much with hauling cargo in mind. That is one of the huge advantages of the 747 over the a 380 and probably why the 747 will continue to fly for quite some time. There is a lot of money being made on air freight and I don't think Lufthansa Is hurting themselves at all financially by shoving all of that cargo into the belly of their 747s. My self and others fly with Lufthansa just to be on the 747.

[@bund.5901]

In the sky's grand theater, the Boeing 747 stands tall, a majestic giant painting elegance across the clouds. With wings wide as a welcoming embrace, it carries dreams high, like a benevolent guardian of the skies. Though not the fastest, its engines hum a powerful melody, a serenade to the endless horizons it explores. In the vast world of planes, the 747 reigns, casting a majestic shadow on the clouds. Beyond speed and efficiency, this flying giant tells a story of luxury. A floating palace in the sky, it invites passengers to indulge in the joy of soaring above the ordinary. Its wings, like freedom's embrace, stretch out to touch the edges of what's possible. In the grand show of aviation, where speed takes the spotlight, the 747 shines with an aura of majesty. It goes beyond just flying; it's a simple yet powerful expression of human creativity reaching for the skies.

[@Joyfulness87]

Almost poetic! And my feelings exactly. Enjoyed these queens of the sky all through the 1980s. Hoping to find a way to fly on one again.

[@ioancrafter95canalinchis]

Annoying that in the in-video subtitles its written sever four seven (instead of 747), why didnt he wrote triple seven x instead of 777x???

[@joegomez5807]

Nothing like being up in the bubble.

[@androidbox3571]

1.26 Why infer that the 747 does not have cabin pressure?

[@Ben-xe8ps]

The entire aviation industry must be very easily shocked!

[@jwil4286]

Now are they smart enough to use this as a marketing point?

[@Peace0415]

What I am interested more is when Lufthansa's outdated business class seat will be completely refurbished and updated in all aircrafts for intercontinental flights.

[@hombre5637]

None of the footage shows the real (outdated) seats Lufthansa uses on their 747s. They are however planning to modernize.

[@petermathbraz]

The 747 comes from a time when Boeing was still creating real planes

[@titozaninovich1041]

Pan Am was the first airline to fly the 747, not Lufthansa. In fact Pan Am designed the 747 with Boeing. And the first commercial 747 out of the plant was Pan Am’s aircraft registration N747PA.

[@HaroldBrice]

Yes Pan Am was a MAJOR factor in the conception of the 747. Cannot recall the name of the boss at Pan Am but he had some specific things he wanted in the plane. The upstairs area was a compromise in his behalf since he wanted two decks, etc etc etc. See the book "747" written by the project manager Joe Sutton. Great bit of aviation history. Long live the Queen.

[@titozaninovich1041]

@@HaroldBrice that’s exactly right ! The boss was Juan Trippe, founder and CEO of Pan Am !

[@The_New_Empire_YT]

what i would do is make a test flight of a 747-8I with the engines of a 777X to see if the 747-8I can become more fuel efficient

[@cvr24]

For the same reason I drive a 15yo car. It's paid for!

[@starmixCookie]

watching this video made my life complete again

[@dirtracer64]

Boeing is still a great Company; presently they need to get back to who they were, put pilots and engineers back on the build floor.

[@alumni2a692]

2:16 comparing carrots and apples buddy 😂

[@juancasas4821]

If it’s not Airbus I’d rather take the bus

[@aljack1979]

Turn them to freighters

[@13chandru]

One of the best planes made by Boeing, they should upgrade the avionics and let this plane fly.

[@HaroldBrice]

I (is anyone?) am unaware of any avionics problems with the 747. What are you talking about?

[@ottomaier7127]

When I fly with a 747, I feel safe, thanks to the 4 engines and it's age (there still was quality). I don't feel so with a newer Boeing, especially not with a new 737.

[@HaroldBrice]

@ottomaier7127: There is no apostrophe in its as you used it. Feel safer with 4 engines? What are you going to do when there are only planes available with 2 engines? Feel less safe I guess? Feelings, emotions count - as long as you do not let them overwhelm facts.

[@ottomaier7127]

@@HaroldBrice Yep, you are right, I feel less save. I know the facts, but anyway 🙂 But the (in the meantime) poor production quality seems to be a fact, too 🤔

[@nightraver56]

Its crazy that the flagship of an Airbus partner is all in on Boeing, while US carriers in the Boeing home market American & Delta buy so many Airbus.

[@rulewski33]

They fly Aircraft from both Manufacters, but are definetly more Airbus oriented. They Have A320´s, A321´s, A330´s, A340´s, A350´s and a few A380´s. In Comparison to that they only fly 2 Models from Boeing which is the 747 and the 787

[@peteorengo5888]

I really wish they would stop saying that the 747 consumes more fuel than comparable twin engine airliners. It does not. The only realistic comparable twin to the 747 is the 777, and they burn almost exactly the same amount of gas as a 747 from the same vintage. Those giant 100,000 lb thrust engines burn twice as much gas one engine on a 747. I know, I have flown both. True, four engines are more expensive to maintain. Lufthansa flys to many slot restricted airports and the most economical option for them is the bigger airplane. They keep flying the 747 and A380 because they make money doing so.

[@HaroldBrice]

@peteorengo5888: I am pretty sure when you say gas you are referring to jet fuel kerosene. In fact, the only "gas" burned by jet engines is OXYGEN and I am not sure how that can be measured.

[@peteorengo5888]

@@HaroldBrice , yes, that is correct👍🏼

[@mihainicolae8141]

Why do you compare a 747 in a three classes configuration with a 777 in a two classes configuration and conclude 777 can carry more passengers??? 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@brentflora8965]

Is Korean Airlines still flying a passenger veriat, 747-8?

[@Jorg-cv3xt]

Yes, they still operate several Boeing 747-8I (passenger version)

[@da480]

The flaw in your analysis is leaving A350-1000 as an option off of it

[@peterparker219]

And again, at 6:30 you show an RC model 777 in Lufthansa colours. That's stupid.

[@donlaight5943]

How can they be the first to add a 747 if pan am already did it? They were 2nd🙄😎

[@matterno]

Drink every time he says, 747, Lufthansa or Tripple7x

[@Boeing747-8i]

And again - bad research. From YL on, Lufti’s -8i have fully functional tailtanks.

[@tsnovak20]

They are leaving Boeing for Airbus now

[@rainbowkeropi]

There is no replacement for good looks 🤔

[@bobdrummond6540]

"SHOCKS"?! I haven't seen, read or heard one single comment from other airlines, manufacturers or suppliers about being shocked. Good video, but ridiculous headline. Why?

[@Advancedkid]

totally inaccurate. Sentimental reasons somehow yeah. LH Technik has been around for decades and most majors have their own maintenance facilities too. The main reason is that the planes are fully paid for and would currently cost less than direct replacements, ------and it's a nice airliner loved by crew and pax alike. Many pax are happy to be on a 747 but that you kinda already mentioned. (Due to it's design, there are seat locations only unique to the 747).

[@HaroldBrice]

@Advancedkid: Wrong version of i t s. Leave the apostrophe out and then it is correct in this case.

[@Advancedkid]

@@HaroldBrice indeed, just a typo on my part. Unfort, most English speakers won't notice such errors these day's. lol. You are truly one of a few. Kudos!

[@claryfurtado5856]

​@@HaroldBrice thank God for all the English lessons here. Where would vee bee without such help

[@persjofors2586]

As airplanes age, the fuselage starts to crack. To repair this, sheets and/or aluminum strips are riveted on the cracking. It is expected to see this on planes over 25 - 30 years old, especially around the doors and windows. A few years ago, I did LH between LAX and FRA and was quite surprised to see this kind of repair on a couple of 747-800s that, at the time, were only 6 or 7 years old. This leads me to believe there might be a structural weakness in the 800 version 747. A couple of months ago, I was on a 25-year-old 400 series. No sheets and/or aluminum strips were added to stop cracking.

[@tinocodde9788]

With respect, but that is complete nonsense. Kind regards from an actual B747 Captain and Instructor.

[@persjofors2586]

Appreciate your feedback, but what is nonsense? That the few 800 series I've flown on already had repairs for cracking? That cracking does not happen and thus does not have to be repaired? Or that cracking on a "young" plane not an early indication of issues? @@tinocodde9788

[@tomasradnic8874]

Why are you comparing a three class 747 to two class 777X? apples to oranges. And by the way, you know your audience can tell the difference between 747-400 and 747-8? It would be nice to have corresponding planes in the video when you talk about them.

[@johncamara1650]

They use them because they are economical. That was why they built the 380 to begin with. You can't tell that to an environmentalist know nothing.

[@rosetzu_nagasawa]

for the ignorant, CABIN can be specs to ANY plane, even a CARGO plane can be made luxurious. To say these made the 747 special is totally cow manure

[@Reitoft]

Sounds like 100% guessing :-/

[@krite8368]

Fun game, count how many times he says Seven Four Seven, 747 in the video. 😂

[@simons5193]

They all should do what Luft Hansa did. These planes are all in perfect shape and can fly for many more years. There is no reason to retire them and spend millions on new planes. That way they don't have to litter the environment with jest sitting in the desert.

[@eaea2332]

Well, some regular video with regular explanations, sorry for negativity, i am not usually like that.

[@GeneralPeterGriffin]

Loosing an engine on a twin is an emergency, on a quad jet, its business as usual, at most an pan, pan, pan.

[@HaroldBrice]

@GeneralPeterGriffin: A bit of a cryptic sentence but starts with the wrong word. Many people confuse lose with loose. Not the same word.

[@iewil2000]

Why don’t they use 380 instead?

[@rulewski33]

They use them too. The 747´s are located in Frankfurt and the A380´s in Munich

[@jiioannidis7215]

😊mood lighting is important to you? Lol

[@themediaman100]

From a passenger point of view I love and trust the 747. Also I don't trust the modern composite aircraft due to problems in the past caused by ice. I hear the A380 can't be converted to freight carrying because of it's composite structure, which means that when the aircraft becomes EOL for passenger use it is scrap, but again, because of it's construction it has comparitvely little value as scrap and would become a costly hasardous waste disposal liability. No doubt Lufthansa see the benefit of hanging on to the 747 for those reasons.....But what do I know.

[@HaroldBrice]

@themediaman100: As you used it (it's) the its does not require an apostrophe. In fact putting one in there is a mistake. Not something we would expect from a media man.

[@themediaman100]

@@HaroldBrice I'm English and we wrote the book. An apostrophe indicates a missing letter or letters. ie, It is or It's. Don't (do not) lecture me you illiterate person.

[@samus4040]

If rather fly on a four engine plane, rather than two!

[@HaroldBrice]

@samus4040: Following your apparent logic, perhaps you would really love a B-52

[@Nomena68]

They are like Lufthansa level of service : outdated 😅

[@gavinhassett479]

They are also speed rated tires. The 3 sets I have burned through were good for winter up to about 80k, and they will easily and safely last 100k in the summer. The trick is to wear them out fast enough you have to do enough driving otherwise the rubber will 'age out' before you use them up. (Used on Mercedes and Volvo Awd, and Toyota) Excellent tires. Similar experience with Nokian Rotiva on my truck. Load range E +80k and still going strong.

[@lucah1824]

You ain't got a real airline unless there's 747s and A380s in the fleet, and up to 2003, Concordes as well