Luigi Mangione: chronic pain transformation

#chronicpain #transformation #healthcare
Could chronic pain transform Luigi into the man he became? Here's the wakeup message about recognizing chronic pain.
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[@gregh4284]

It's more than overpowering pain. It's the death of hope.

[@lmarie3834]

@@gregh4284 , sadly true!

[@lorenpoindexter295]

Yes

[@linamendt9149]

@gregh4284 yes, I've been on the edge of suicide from pain too many times.

[@margaretthatcher6828]

@@linamendt9149 I can understand those feelings!

[@trishferrer8209]

So, so sad and true. 😢

[@linamendt9149]

It's NOT just another crazy person...I nearly lost a friend to suicide this week because of chronic pain.

[@katk1958]

I did lose a friend to completed suicide from untreated evidence-based pain... my younger sister. 😭 I'm her medical clone. I wish I had her bravery to do the same, but I do not. So... I'll suffer the rest of my life. 😢

[@absinthealice]

Oh my god! I hope your friend is coming away from that edge! Very glad they have you there for them!

[@isagoldfield7393]

🙏🏼

[@linamendt9149]

@absinthealice thanks, she was in a psyche ward for a week, but is doing better. She really needs pain relief for a congenital skull malformation causing excruciating migraines 24/7.

[@carpediemarts705]

I read so many stories of denial of care in comments where it's do hard to find and read. It's time to have everything with a denial of care story to publish it in detail on multiple social media platforms ala MeToo movement so the greater population has a grasp of the scope of the situation.

[@TheFirstManticore]

It was not Luigi's pain that causesd people to sympathize with the assassination. That was not in the news at first. People's reactions were in response to their own experiences and the experiences of their loved ones. Not because they had pain, but because they were denied treatment when they had paid into health insurance for years. Not only treatment for painful conditions, but necessary life-saving treatment.

[@mightymouse1005]

The interesting thing is ,he comes from extremely wealthy people, he has a great education and wouldn't rely on insurance to get medical treatment. He has a trust fund, inheritance, and wealth . However, the American people are tired of medical tyranny....

[@ntag411]

CEOs should learn from any high ranking people like the Mafia. The latter is generally friendly to the common folk because they are great in numbers. Any single one can be your downfall

[@wejoin]

@@TheFirstManticore Exactly 👍 I actually used to have UHC and they tried to get out of paying my hospitalization. The anger was justified! It called nationwide attention to the companies putting profit before people.

[@alysonsylva]

​@@mightymouse1005well, not only were his parents realtors, but they own 9 old people's homes in the Baltimore area that he used to volunteer in. Also the golf club they purchased was used to host many pharmaceutical sales dinners and medical administrative dinners. So his family is kowtowing to the medical system while it is failing their son

[@rachelderagonartist9766]

@@mightymouse1005 sadly, money will not buy a prescription that a doctor can’t give you because THEIR insurance may drop them. It all sucks.

[@Liss0015]

It's SO INCREDIBLY VALIDATING hearing all of this from a Doctor. Everyday people with chronic pain have to act as if we aren't in pain - that's more draining than just dealing with the pain. Pain every day of our lives can make us cranky, but if we are cranky we could lose our jobs. It's also frustrating to try to get medication that can help with the pain, and the doctor is reluctant to prescribe it because they treat everyone suspiciously.

[@antonlueker9648]

I agree with you 100%. I’ve been living with chronic back pain since 19 years old, I’m 43 now. I’ve had spinal fusion surgery which helped the sciatica (ironically at U Penn). But this condition affects every aspect of my life. People say I’m cranky and I agree with them, it’s to the point where I don’t even open up about my chronic pain issues because, sadly, no one really cares. It has had negative impacts on relationships, work, social interactions, just about every aspect of my life. You’re not alone Melissa thank you for sharing this comment.

[@Dave1Claudius]

When you take more that one kind like a friend of mine who die at 48 due to the meds took a toll on her organs and shut them down. Be careful.

[@dougallred6341]

So true it makes me want to cry everyday 😢 30 Years of this . trying to live a life and they keep taking more and more pain pills away.😢

[@debbiec7116]

Just trying to get out of our heads is hard. Your whole entire focus is on the pain. It can be hard to just breathe at times, let alone eat, drink water etc. No one gets the battles we face daily. I am sending you all the loving energy I have! 🤗💞

[@charinagel5690]

I love that he's so transparent about the reality of pain issues. I waited 5 months to get into a spine dr and then 2 years later no help. They do their standard procedures in a factory line and I feel like my pain is invisible although its very apparent. If not for family, I'd be long gone.

[@Hedwig-gj2di]

Yup... I hear you. I have severe muscle and nerve pain that ruins my life. I waited 6 months to see a rheumatologist, had to cancel when the time came because I was too sick to go... had to wait another 6 months... when I got there I poured my heart out to him about where it hurts, etc. etc., he gave me some tests and xrays. Everything looked normal. So he said he couldn't help me. I asked him, what about fibromyalgia? He handed me a piece of paper where I check marked every symptom of fibromyalgia that was listed. He said that I have all the criteria for fibromyalgia but he doesn't believe in fibromyalgia. So out the door I went. I can't afford physical therapy with a copay of 35 dollars 3 times a week... I can't afford massage therapy for 90 bucks for an hour that I would need probably once a week, bare minimum. Anti inflammatory meds don't help. My doctor will only give me a small amount of pain killers and I better not ask for more.

[@brandonbennett84]

@@charinagel5690 I’m in the same boat except I had spinal fusion surgery in 2010 from a horrible car wreck in 2009 and it was a failed surgery even though my pos neurosurgeon (who was supposed to be one of the best in my area) told me I recovered by 93%, so my spine is f’d! Epidural steroid injections that don’t work and are like $5-7k a piece. Those don’t work either and are extremely dangerous (which he failed to tell me that too). He just saw money with my case….I basically live for my family, bc I don’t want to hurt them by me ending my life due to pain and depression. So here I am living day to day. Turned down by disability the first time and I don’t think I can stomach hearing no again when my messed up spine is just one of 6 things that are considered disabled with my health. I’m currently stopping all western medicine and switching to a functional medicine dr. Saving up for ketamine infusions, bc I’ve heard wonderful things about them for pain and mental health issues! I truly feel for you! 🩷

[@NickMak-m2c]

Aw sweety...

[@cherylallis2458]

20 treatments with a German designed Hokumed brought neuropathy pain down from a 9 to a 0 AND restored some of my reflexes that had been lost due to the neuropathy. I don't even need asprin! Find a practitioner who uses this device. Carolina Health Choice of Greenville has one. Greenville, SC. Not just for neuropathy. Works for all types of pain including back pain.

[@TA-lt1ph]

As a chronic pain patient, it never gets better. It leads to thoughts of giving up. Our system is not helping anyone.

[@Ann-kg1zd]

Me too.

[@ErinAnn8983]

And they’re blaming patients for not being responsive to their shit treatments.

[@ErinAnn8983]

Our elected officials are being paid by healthcare corporations to NOT change anything. The idea that the solution is to “talk to our congressmen” is ignorant and shows the privilege from which you approach this subject.

[@alisonmurphy5554]

As a chronic pain patient, my experience is that our system is a nightmare. So many pharmacists have no clue about chronic pain patients' needs, and we are vilified. We are denied medications that our physicians have authorized. It is beyond my comprehension that a pharmacist can 'overrule' a doctor and refuse to supply a prescribed medication. For heaven's sake, who has the medical degree and has examined the patient? The doctor or some pharmacist?! Absolutely infuriating.

[@MsLilBit8344]

​@@ErinAnn8983 I have steroid injections. The insurance decided no more series of three. One and done. They cost around 3k. One doesn't do it. My life is no longer enjoyable. Chronic pain sucks.

[@ccollins2890]

I'm not in pain, but I have MS. For the last thirty years, I've had to fight insurance for nearly everything. This system is cruel.

[@georgevirginia3785]

i can sympathize with You. i have MS and stage 4 lung cancer and can’t get pain meds. i think the end goal with the “Obamacare” is euthanasia ultimately and i think this is what they’re going to start pushing the next decade. i mean why else would they eliminate pain medicine for People suffering. i can see it coming. Putting a value on People’s lives because the tax payers are now on the hook for it all.

[@sapphirestrm]

@@georgevirginia3785 it's not the ACA that is restricting pain meds for people who are suffering and euthanasia is certainly not its goal. The ACA has gotten more care for more people than ever before. This situation is about insurance companies and stigma around pain medication.

[@1kewlglamma]

My heart goes out to both of you! I'm 63 and was diagnosed with MS two years ago - after 15 grueling and demoralizing years of seeking answers. I've been living in Covid Paradise and Healthcare Hell since March of 2020. Like so many millions of chronically ill people in America. I agree with the belief that euthanasia is in the not-too-distant future. Both of you, please take care...

[@NancySanders-om4ic]

​@@georgevirginia3785Remember,Dr.Kevorkian,that is what he represented to not allow people to continue to suffer with physical pain.

[@charlenee2751]

The industry is cruel Unfortunately on all levels .

[@dresdners54]

I had a failed 360° T-11 to L-2 back surgery and have suffered in severe chronic pain for over 25 years. Now that arthritis and spondylitis has emerged, every moment is sickening. I was cared for initially for about 10 years, but now at age 66, no doctor will help me! Thank you so much for bringing this sad story to attention.

[@user-ov4wr5yu4r]

I'm so sorry. 😢

[@patriciagray5157]

Same here 5 doctors rothman, univ Penn, univ Maryland NO HELP..... I HAVE TOTAL SPINE FUSION TOP TO BOTTOM. LOT OF DAMAGE.

[@bobchevallier8456]

They don't want to get in trouble. Who cares if you're addicted. At least you can have some kind of life.

[@Respect-All13]

You got to find a pain specialist to treat you now. Either your primary care Dr or call your insurance to help you find this kind of specialist . It is what I did, broke back at 18. Two surgeries and I'm 43 now. Severe arthritis, can't have anymore surgery so I must live with it. I vomited daily from pain, after vomiting in my sleep 2 different times and getting double pneumonia both times, spending days in the ICU and a week in hospital they told me to ask my PCP for a referral to a pain specialist.

[@Jogie100]

Same sort of issues I have. Find a pain management team. I did and no longer want to get out of my body. I have a medication doc and another doc that does ablations for me. Several of them every year. But it’s worth it

[@tinamadden25]

I started out with severe IBS, then endometriosis, suffered 12 years with endo and 5 surgeries, finally had a complete hysterectomy 2006, then a year later osteoporosis that has gotten worse. Then started having back issue, bulging disc, herniated disc, spinal arthritis, spondylitis, the pain is never ending, now i have anxiety and depression on top of everything else, i wont give up, i wont give in. Prayers to all that suffer 🙏

[@foadfarhoumand208]

Did you also have poly cystic ovaries, and did you also have lots of dental problems that had to do with to much pain with teeth being sensitive, ending up with multiple root canal treatments ? I’ll tell you why I am asking. If you did, I’ll tell what was your problem, that is completely over looked, and hardly diagnosed correctly.

[@tinamadden25]

@foadfarhoumand208 did have the cyst, but not dental problems.

[@patriciao5239]

Sorry for your extensive troubles. Wonder if you've considered the emerging information on how something as surprising as changing the types of foods/drinks you consume and the timing can have major impacts on not just "body" health but also mind conditions like anxiety, depression - even schizophrenia even with psychotic symptoms like hallucinations! Somebody famous (Aristotle?) over 2 million years ago said, "Let food be your cure" - and altering the diet (look up keto or something a bit milder to start with like keto-flex) is a relatively inexpensive, low side effect thing to try. It really seems to help a huge number of people and apparently there's a lot of science supporting it. And it's clear that people who have untreated/inadequately treated depression/anxiety have more trouble dealing with pain. There are probably some psychological reasons for that but biological reasons are very likely too - so fix the mood and anxiety some, and that should help get you on a virtuous cycle (opposite of a vicious cycle). And if you have depression and anxiety, you may not be sleeping well from those; if you don't get good, rejuvenating sleep, your body can't heal as well and potentially can't lessen your perception of pain signals. Don't lose hope, keep trying new things to lessen your various symptoms and it all may come together over time. Curious what the other commentor will be saying about ovarian cysts and dental issues and what the common culprit of those is...

[@corriejo3655]

I have all these same things too. It’s unbearable most of the time, I am always in pain. God bless

[@foadfarhoumand208]

@@tinamadden25 If you had cysts, then you likely had very elevated insulin levels. Many years ago, researchers discovered that giving patients with very high insulin levels Metformin resulted in two significant outcomes: the cysts disappeared, and so did the pain. I'm surprised you didn't experience dental issues, as high insulin levels can cause tooth sensitivity. Nevertheless, high insulin levels can wreak havoc on the body. Unfortunately, not many physicians or dentists have made this connection. I'm aware of patients who are still undergoing surgery instead of being prescribed Metformin. Another problem is that checking insulin levels has not yet become a standard practice in medicine. However, there are ongoing studies exploring the link between high insulin levels and various bodily issues.

[@happyhill9753]

Being told my suffering is in my head and therefore not treated. It took years to get any treatment which led me to a horrible time of depression. Health care is in need of great change in this country. 😢

[@SpukiTheLoveKitten75]

It's time for a big Good Healthcare For All movement, complete with fundraising, marches, activism, lobbying, etc! Same goes for Mental Health.

[@lipialam3599]

Sorry for your suffering, you should probably leave America, seek doctors somewhere else

[@mag1071]

Thanks for addressing pain subject!! If you have pain always and others don’t, they don’t understand what it is like to live with every day!!!!

[@spvillano]

The bear of it is, pain is subjective. We don't have a pain-o-meter to measure it, worse, people with very similar - even identical seeming injuries/diseases in all objectivea measurements can have different perceptions of pain. As an example, a military "gas chamber" full of tear gas can be excruciating for most people, outright disabling and debilitating for many, significantly disabling for others (such as barely capable of stating their name and rank) and for others, myself included, well I'm notorious for being medical coverage for such training and literally have stood in the same chamber with trainees while smoking a cigarette and casually conversing. Yes, I felt the discomfort, I was able to dismiss it and still can. I dismiss a fair amount of pain from my lumbar spine and shoulder, a hot wire, occasionally feeling electrified going down one buttocks cheek to the hell of my foot will impact mobility and function, but not as significantly in others - that doesn't mean they aren't in pain or I'm not in pain, it's individual tolerances. They vary tremendously and both do require individualized treatments. Each individual's perception and reception of pain is different. That pain in the lumbar, largely SI regional, but the leg radiation is due to a lumbar disc, the SI joint apparently also irritable easily and per multiple physical terrorists, mobile more than usual. End result, that pain, loss of proprioception (sensation of joint position and pressures exerted by muscles to hold me up and walk) and occasional loss of function briefly, resulting in my knee buckling and unceremoniously dumping me to the ground. Personally, I prefer a proper ceremony for that, lacking that, I walk with a cane. Yeah, I've a sense of humor that's EMS dark. I've also a have IBD, not IBS, Irritable Bowl Disease, not Syndrome - specifically, Crohn's disease, which was recently diagnosed. With that, there are increased incidences of other inflammatory diseases, including SI joint inflammation, arthritis, oh hell, a constellation of issues that may arise. I've also got autoimmune thyroid disease, Grave's disease. Even money, they're all linked, doctor would be able to tell if it's relevant to any potential treatment. Oh wait, a few are, courtesy of new biologics now available and in usage (and need to be blessed by the *!@&!%$!!! insurance company, just got denied one, but I actually agree with the company on efficacy grounds on their proposed and now in for blessing, erm, approval). I own firearms, am a competition shooter, a military war veteran and for insurance companies, my big guns are lawyers, courts and prior to that, their own policies and procedures. Bullets are for paper and wild game, in season, if I feel up to going out and allowing more deer to outsmart me. I always get a nice, precise pattern on paper targets, deer, well, I found a calendar written in Native Venison with Opening Day circled and a note, Bahamas written on the day prior. OK, maybe not, just seemed that way, since rifle season is after every other form of hunting season and deer aren't stupid, only dumb. My 63 year old ass ain't going that high up the mountain and dragging a carcass that far overland with my back and shoulder the way they are, I'll just buy some venison from the butcher, when I can find one nearby... Opioids and opiates, loved them in patients that needed them, loathe them in myself, as my body and them just don't get along. Massive mast cell dump of cytokines make me literally feel like I'm dying, just shy of true allergy level response, so shove those things back into the medication storage unit for me, thank you. Lidocaine patches work nicely enough for modest issues, although I can taste the infernal stuff around an hour after application, injected in the angry region seems to be of mixed value. In others, any admixture of the above would be highly effective, as it's highly variable by individual. I'm also infamous for awakening early when under anesthesia, just to be more of a complicated patient, maybe it's the thyroid or my liver is from the planet Krypton or who knows, I just let doctor know so that things get monitored a bit more closely. The last one, astonished at my rapid recovery after colonoscopy with Versed and propofol, easily recognized, as they're not easily miscible, to put it mildly. I've also not had an inclination of running around like I'm Yosemite Sam, shooting up houses, trees and people. Although, I might be swayed to give into the temptation of hot gluing some chairs to the floor while the worker is not at their desk. After all, I have a gun and know not to grab the end the glue comes out of when it's on. The rest stay in the safe. Oh, likely I am a surgical candidate, might explore that once a few might kill me issues are resolved, but before I'd consider it, I'd have to remove one cause of failed back syndrome - I'm a smoker and that is linked to failed fusion and weak fusion healing. I've also got one superpower, an innate knowledge of when to abort a medical algorithm and jump straight to DOCTOR NOW. OK, two superpowers, the above and the ability to make food, drink and money disappear nearly instantly.

[@joeyvanostrand3655]

They have no frame of reference what it's like to deal with something that absolutely dictates every waking moment in your life. Because we don't constantly scream or even complain doesn't mean it doesn't always hurt. You just learn to put a very brave face on things.

[@TSJones-u7s]

I don't condone violence. Yet I absolutely understand what it's like to have and deal with bad back pain, it literally screws up the brain/thinking. I was on hydrocodone/morphine 3 x day and worked 10-12 hour days. Most main stream doctors/clinic are worthless except for a bandage. And as a young male I had no sex life. Yes I truly understand Luigi and I feel a deep saddens for this young man my heart goes out to him and anyone who deals with chronic pain. Luigi's screwed up mind which I understand told him to do what he did. This case is the worst case I have seen in my life and it deeply hurts. Much Love to Luigi ❤

[@gloriamaryhaywood2217]

I very recently had a very BAD flare-up of inflammation in my right knee, which is bone-on- bone arthritis and I need to have a total knee replacement! BUT as much pain as I've experienced thru these past several years now, Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, came even Close to that amount of Total All-consuming PAIN!!! Thank Heavens my doctor immediately gave me an injection right in my knee of cortizone!! It didn't help immediately, but day by day the swelling went down, and in about a week it was all but Gone! It was like being released from Pain Hell!! I can't even imagine how some people struggle day in and day out with intense and unrelenting PAIN!!? 💔 That bad flare-up of inflammation gave me a whole new perspective and understanding!!

[@beldenraymond]

It is absolutely true that many people don't understand how constant pain affects a person. I have experienced pain for over fifty years, and I have personally seen close friends struggle to comprehend its impact.

[@Mary-tj5qx]

I’m a former oncology nurse. Spot on here. First thought i had was this chronic pain issue has to have caused massive psychological fallout. We are simply not built to endure it. Sounds like he was at a minimum severely depressed. Try having a toothache for a day. Then imagine living with that for years. Horrific. Such a sad waste of potential.

[@jac1161]

same with mental pain like ptsd and a society gone mad with tech and screen addictions which are isolating

[@desireesalas5820]

He was injured in 2023. That would make it a year ago. This guy hasn't been suffering his whole life. Please. I've had chronic pain for decades and the system has obviously not worked in my favor but I'm not going around shooting ppl. It astounds me when so-called professionals try to normalize this kind of uncivilized behavior in society. It sets a dangerous precedent, especially for our non-intelligent, extremely impressionable "youth".

[@A---ti3zz]

⁠@@desireesalas5820his back injury was exacerbated but he has had it for awhile. Also don’t compare your pain to others. You have no freaking clue what anyone else is going through. People like you are part of the problem; you are being dismissive and minimizing someone else’s suffering. No one is condoning murder

[@lindahuseyin4210]

Totally agree , pain brain is what comes with it , long hours alone feeling useless and I'm twice this lads age !

[@traceysheneman8652]

​@@desireesalas5820 You lost me at "non-intelligent...youth." Your experience is typical for you, not for everyone else. What is not normal is a system (corporations, politicians, media) that strongly favors the social acceptance of mass suffering to benefit private profit.

[@Monica-jg8pn]

Chronic nerve pain is so terribly awful. When you go to several doctors over months in pain it will do harmful things to your body and mind. If I hadn't had too young children I would have ended it myself. I finally found a doctor who manage to find the C5 vertebrae injury and he fixed it for me. He also told my husband that he should apologize to me for not believing me, that I had been suffering a long time. Thank you Dr. Kaveh for doing what you do for all of us.

[@TeresaMom1]

I have dealt with severe chronic back pain and severe chronic nerve pain every single day since 2002.

[@lindahuseyin4210]

Bless you , you're a survivor

[@Maggies87]

If there are other red flags that indicate your husband is not treating you as you deserve, then please think HARD about moving on. It won’t get better.

[@beffis1980]

I understand 100% what you went through I said every day if it wasn’t for my two daughters I probably wouldn’t still be here! At 24 years old with severe fibromyalgia, not one doctor would listen or care about pain management. I went 10 more years before I finally received a pain management plan. I don’t know how I survived it.

[@maricotodiz4475]

@@Monica-jg8pn So sorry for your suffering, yes, I am a mother too and I understand your point! God Bless you and your kids!

[@mariaaparecidaaffeln7743]

Wow, amazing to find a Dr that stands up to the truth.

[@kevinbuda7087]

this guy is part of the problem! and the young man has not been found guilty!

[@branwen8009]

I never watch an entire medical videoi like this, but this dr is absolutely amazing! I'm sitting here with tears streaming down my face listening to him answer strangers patiently with compassion and kindness! I can only imagine the support and care he shows his personal patients. I know just having his kind of presence and support from my dr would make me feel less alone, crazy, and depressed in my pain.

[@kevinbuda7087]

you are ridiculous! this guy is a big part of the problem with his outrageously high prices he charges!

[@kakim4956]

@@branwen8009 I agree with you. Regardless of what our medical system sets for costs, this doctor is compassionate! To me, I’m like you, having a doctor at least attempt to understand our pain goes a very long way in my book.

[@CC-kl4nh]

I don’t know the whole story but chronic pain needs to be addressed in this country . This needs to be publicized nationwide.

[@neenernener]

I "gave up" on doctors, therapists, surgeries, ERs etc. After years of trying to get well. I signed a contract with my Primary doc, who put me on morphine. Was on same dose, same doc, same pharmacy FOR TEN YEARS. My doctor died suddenly in July. I immediately began weaning myself. It sucked, i lived. Got myself "clean." Went thru HELL trying to just find help with withdrawals! It's horrible. The War On Drugs has so many victims.

[@brentblack9949]

Well done 👍

[@Lynnda86]

Im so sorry.

[@normabenanzer1161]

In Ohio primary care doctors can’t write pain medication prescriptions for more than 7 days. I have to see a pain management doctor every month . My pain just worsens every year, yet she keeps reducing my pain medication. Soon I’ll just have Tylenol to help me

[@mightymouse1005]

Yes it does. As a nurse of over 30 years, it's extremely difficult to know patients won't receive pain relief. Many nurses end up addicted because er also hurt all the time, picking up patients, bending, pushing heavy patients in wheelchair etc...our doctors don't give us pain medication either, our access to narcs temps some. I wouldn't take medication that's intended for patients tho... We in the medical field as very disappointed too...

[@user-ov4wr5yu4r]

Wow. I can imagine the shock and the road ahead when your doctor died.

[@isaklytting5795]

0:19 I wouldn't say Luigi's actions were MORE digusting than the wholesale cynical killing and torture of millions of people over decades by industry and corrupt politicians being payed off to do nothing. I'd say THAT is the far, far, far more disgusting of the two and THEY should have been put in jail, long, long ago, so that Luigi didn't now have to have ended up in this situation.

[@or6913]

Amen!

[@elliotoliver8679]

100%

[@lindasidle2723]

Amen.

[@bernadettestar]

So many people have died because these greedy CEOs and I know people who work there and they have done far more damage than is being reported. Vet company should not get president Trump's tax breaks because they are firing a lot of Americans and hiring foreigners as we speak. They need to do a 180.

[@andrewferguson6901]

Yup. 30 seconds in and I have to walk away. Nothing worth hearing after that

[@Nakita-Morti]

I have been through so many pain management doctors it’s crazy. I injured my back in 1992 and had to be fused L3-S1. I’m now fused L2 down, have a pain stimulator as well as a pain pump. This barely touches my pain levels. I was 20 when this all started. Now I have fibromyalgia, arthritis and so much more. Sometimes I think I’ve done more research than doctors or insurance agents. There are times the fight doesn’t seem worth it.

[@lisakreimes1951]

I completely understand. I do my own research too 💜

[@rhondadixon1180]

Yes, my own research led me to finally, after 30+years, to push for a Lyme test. Guess what, I am CDC criteria positive with Lyme. If I had not done my own research I'm sure I would still be in the dark on what was causing my terrible symptoms.

[@1kewlglamma]

Thank you, Dr Kaveh for this video. Chronic and debilitating pain is a death sentence - except that one doesn't get the release of pain that physical death brings. Mental illness is definitely a consequence of the pain and adds to the the losses it brings to so many lives. And it's all because of the Almighty Dollar...

[@waynefilkins8394]

What he did was wrong, but his quote about the industry was 100% spot on

[@ginadonza3549]

Totally agree.

[@vickijohnson9367]

Perhaps our “industry” will accept being regulated by government into a just, real non-profit system…oh, that’s right, that is what we used to have.

[@acurtis1735]

Yes-and doctors and people are talking about it constantly. Long may it last and here’s to massive change

Pro-social Unab0mber. Granted Ted Kaczynski also correctly diagnosed techno-plutocracy leads to social dissolution, but the prescription was entirely counterproductive.

[@marci9983]

Maybe 'wrong,' but now the whole nation is talking about something that needed talking about--- our shameful health care system!

[@melindatarnow5713]

I remeber the guy who shot a VA doctor in 2022. What they didnt tell us, is the guy has back sugery and they gave him no pain medicine. He called the Dr, and Dr refused. He shot that Dr and went to his car and did himself. Being a chronic back pain patienr, oh how i know.

[@linamendt9149]

@@melindatarnow5713 I have suffered w pain for so long....I know exactly what was going thru that poor guy's mind.

[@JaneDoe-tr5xy]

I can see doing yourself in but not anyone else

[@phyllissalcido1846]

Thank you for addressing this. Chronic pain and chronic fatigue pretty much take you out of normal life and makes one feel bery isolated

[@missjo2036]

I know someone with chronic back pain and he doesn't go around 🔫 people when his insurance doesn't cover something etc.

[@patriciagray5157]

What has to be done to get attention of these politicians, FDA, DEA To stop treating us like street addicts. I never broke any of their rules of abusing my prescription but I SUFFER TERRIBLE BE CAUSE THEY LOWERED MY AMOUNT. NEVER HAD A LIMIT ON DRUGS THE DOCTORS WOULD JUST REFILL WHEN NEEDED BACK IN THE DAY. NOW YOU ARE AT THEIR MERCY. I HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THE WORST DOCTORS IN THE WORLD WHO BERATE YOU, TALK TO YOU LIKE YOUR A LIER UNTIL THEY FINALLY EXAMINE YOUR SPINE JUST TO GET MY MEDS.

[@trishferrer8209]

My 23-y/o son "bailed" out of a very painful life of extreme spinal pain; too long of a story to explain here and now. Most horrible thing I have ever had happen, and I am so, so sad that his chronic pain (and sleep deprivation) went unresolved for so long. Truly heartwrenching. It has been nine years. 💔 The VA was involved. He is forever a US Marine. ⭐🇺🇸

[@user-ov4wr5yu4r]

Oh no. I'm so sorry. That's absolutely heartbreaking, just when he should have been starting his adult life. 😢💔

[@patriciagray5157]

Omg this breaks my heart. God bless you all.

[@rommadsen6443]

To think that this is how we treat the young people who we ask to use their minds and bodies to defend this country. This must change. I am so sorry that you lost your son the US Marine. Nine years may seem like forever and at the same time it may feel as though it just happened yesterday. I have a dear friend who lost a son many years ago in a car crash that was not a suicide and not a day goes by when she doesn't think of him, talk to him and miss him to the point of a physical ache. Comparing pain at this level doesn't make a lot of sense but suicide alters the lives of everyone around that person so very much. Again, you have my deepest condolences.

[@JustMe-px9qy]

I’m very sorry. My heart breaks for you. ❤🙏🏻

[@StefRosaWoods]

I'm so sorry.

[@maricotodiz4475]

If wasn't for this young guy Luigi nobody would be talking about this. Yes i sympathize with him a lot and yes he is not considered a criminal, is the opposite! He had courage to do what i would never do!

[@Kelly2222]

Murder is a crime.

[@maricotodiz4475]

@Kelly2222 yes. Agree. Murder one person is a crime. What about a murder who killed thousands? Included childrens? Do you have a name for that? What about a murder who killed the one that caused thousands to die? I hope you have knowledge enough to understand the questions! ✌️

[@fussel2107]

​@@Kelly2222well then, what do we call causing people's suicide through withheld care? We need to have a hard conversation about pain and what it does to people.

[@FredWa-h8b]

My dad lived in chronic pain for years and after he was diagnosed with cancer, mom watched him constantly because he wanted to die. I’ve known others in chronic pain who responded with anger that was very frightening. It honestly takes a community of compassionate medical providers, family, and friends to walk together to help. Thank you Dr. Kaveh for your compassion, services, and insights. Blessings! 19:12

[@sallypursell1284]

I have chronic pain, and I fully understand his feelings of injustice and lack of sufficient treatment and attention. There is nothing really for this problem, not from the medical system. And insurance is the worst of this system.

[@LillyMarz777]

No, the DEA is the worst part of the system. They are the ones locking doctors up for treating their patients pain. Do you think all the dr.s just decided to stop treating pain for no reason? If this is real and not a psyop the guy should have directed his rage at the DEA donks.

[@Lynnda86]

​@@LillyMarz777 🤔 So true. I hope that this will change. Im trying to raise awareness

[@patriciagray5157]

Exactly the DEA, FDA Have put a rope around the doctors and pharmacy to the point they are scared to death of losing their license. Why any agency has the power over someone life who they have never met. I called them out of desperation and said let me live with you for a week. NO

[@sexualizingsanta]

@@patriciagray5157the FDA rescinded their advisement to cut back chronic pain patient access to opioids. The doctors, hospitals, and pharmacists refuse to acknowledge it as it’s much more convenient and profitable to insist on the interventional model instead.

[@SharynS.]

Yes! I have been having a hard time getting my morphine ER (extended release) filled the last couple of months because of a shortage. Weird, I thought, but I asked my doctor to rewrite the prescription for the morphine IR (immediate release) which really doesn’t work anywhere near as well for me. But I thought it would be temporary and I could tough it out. Reader, I can’t tough it out. Not only does the IR let more pain through, my doctor miscounted the days I needed the IR prescription for and I didn’t notice it was a week short of the correct number until I filled it. So I spent last week *_WITH NO PAIN MEDS_* !! I was writhing on the bed so much, I have carpet burns all over my legs from the sheets. We don’t have legalized marijuana in this state but my husband got me hemp gummies which didn’t really help but I took them so he wouldn’t worry quite so much. Getting to the point: It turns out that the company that makes the morphine ER has discontinued it (back in March 2024) and I guess we’ve used up the supply. And why would they do that? I mean, the company didn’t reach out to me personally and let me know their reasoning but I’m gonna go ahead and assume profits were down with that drug because the *CDC* recommends such a low dose of morphine as an at-home pain killer (and that the *DEA* audits the pain clinic doctors frequently), that they just weren’t getting prescribed as much anymore. I usually think some government oversight is good. I like having my water tested so I know it’s safe. I like knowing when a hurricane is coming my way. I like potholes filled in. But I don’t like having to search for a new drug for my pain that probably won’t work as well just because the *CDC* and *DEA* cannot let go of the myth of the opioid crisis.

[@stephenludlum9746]

It is not just living with chronic pain; it is dealing with evil insurance companies and dealing with a government that doesn't care if you are suffering. Also, a lot of employers will do everything they can to get rid of you if you take pain medication. A lot of people with chronic pain have no choice but to give up on life; you can only fight so much.

[@mightymouse1005]

The mental amd emotional trauma of constantly fighting for care makes physical pain much worse. Stress increases pain

[@lisae6725]

You’re put in an impossible position. So much stress when you’re already feeling terrible. I’ve seen really sick elderly people parked outside of ER’s for over 8 hours! People with fever and chills left to sit and wait till there was the staff to pay attention to them.

[@m.bird.]

Yes, it's being dismissed and devalued by our community. What's so difficult of letting us know we are seen and we are important?

[@rommadsen6443]

I agree. We need to figure out how to help alleviate chronic pain rather than marginalizing people suffering from it. And insurance companies need to get their behinds heated up and told to stop denying care. Same with employers.

[@davmatheophilus159]

@@lisae6725 If you live in heavily populated areas, that’s the case, very long wait times.

[@binkybergsman4699]

Thank you. For 15 years I have been in pain. It has gotten worse each year. When I told doctors about them they would lift my leg around and announce “ you don’t have arthritis in your hips. Finally, they did a couple MRI’s last month and find that it is clearly coming from my spine. All these years of asking for pain medicine I have felt like I was being looked at as a drug seeker. When they do give them to me I have to sign a contract and go in to pee in a jar every three months. It makes me feel like a criminal. It makes me angry. I feel like I am being punished because others use drugs illegally. Mostly I feel frustrated. Next month I see the next specialist and I hope like crazy he can do something to help me.

[@patriciagray5157]

Same here, I have to pee, count pills and treated like a crimminal for the drugs a doctor prescribe 55 yrs ago. Been to 5 surgeon this year and no luck to complicated. But still no other option for pain relief, iam a worker my whole life not a lazy person. I have no purpose now, nothing to contribute in life anymore so why stay?

[@rommadsen6443]

@@patriciagray5157 Patricia, your presence is important. Even if what you do in a day is breathe in and out that's enough to make you important in the fabric of the whole world. Your life sounds very, very hard with so much pain and I'm sorry that there hasn't been anything to heal your pain or even lessen it at all. I think a lot of healthcare people don't understand how pain meds even work. You have contributed in life and the fact that your contributions are less obvious now doesn't take away from your importance and contributions over all. Please take good care of yourself, and keep in mind that there are people who care about you --and I am among them. Remember that you have done good things and you will be missed whenever your days come to an end. I really, really hope that it's not anytime soon.

[@Meow4B]

I couldn’t care less about peeing in a cup and doing the pill counts, that’s totally fine with me. It was a little problematic when my pain management provider was an hour away and I had to drive through winter weather to get there. I would end up having to spend a couple days in bed to recover from the pain of driving for a few hours like that. Oh and I did have a problem with the fact that he would make me come every two weeks because he had his own lab and I think he liked to charge for the urine tests. I never failed them or a pill count but I have a medical cannabis card so he used that to justify the extra frequent testing. Again, whatever, if he was local I wouldn’t even have complained about that. It was just that the drive was a lot.

[@le87]

I see a specialist at Stanford who treats this exact thing. He burns off the nerve at L3-5. It took going to the pain management specialty to get them to find the exact nerve to burn off. It's not in my leg, but the pain was on the outside of my upper leg. Now I get radiofrequency ablation and it takes that pain away for between 6-10 months. Become and expert on this topic. Find a medical library and learn all about it.

[@le87]

@@patriciagray5157 Because you are a good person and you are lots more than this pain. You are caring, empathetic, uniquely experienced. You know more than most people and you don't deserve to be treated this badly. I encourage you to stand up for yourself, look for other treatments, file complaints about medical professionals who are negligent or behave inppropriately. You can help others. That's why you posted here too.

[@nikimelissaratou2429]

You are an amazing doctor and human! What you are stating is 100%right

[@leisabrady5384]

Thanks Doc so nice to see a medical doctor speaking publicly about chronic pain. It is an extremely complex problem that patients do not feel listened to or validated. Often trying to find our own way of getting through many years of not only horrific pain but of being told “you can’t possibly be in that much pain”. Or you just want drugs. I thankfully had and still have the most amazing GP who for over 30 years. He was there every step of the way. He ALWAYS advocated for me. Listened and validated my pain and got me the best help he could. I wish everyone had a GP like mine. I’m 60 now and still suffer chronic pain but thankfully I have a superb pain specialist I have pretty good pain coverage and I am the best I have been in years. Walking everyday helps loads for mental health and having a dog to love on also. Finally to have supported family and friends makes for success. Sending all the love and thank you for such awesome videos take care Leisa Western Australia xxx

[@Bealtaine947]

Through this young man's actions he has put the Medical Health Corporations on notice that enough is enough and will not be tolerated.. I don't condone what he did. His action opened up the Pandora box of GREED and dismissiveness . Personally I have been close to suicide because my pain was so debilitating.

[@mightymouse1005]

It's hard to look forward to life when you can't enjoy it due to pain

[@patriciagray5157]

Me too

[@CarolReidCA]

​@@mightymouse1005try to find ways to legally deal with it on your own if necessary. Things like kratom and CBD are available in some areas. Be VERY mindful of the risks, however. Use them responsibly, as others depend on these, too. Ketamine is available in many areas, too, even online under a doctor's care.

[@nolies9071]

Exactly. My chronic pain from a back failed back surgery has taken so much of my life away from me I'll NEVER get it back. I was 27 when I had the surgery, I am 48 now and it has ruined my life. It took years to go down more and more and now I'm at the point to where I can't stand up for a long time, I can't walk straight, I can't walk very far without having to sit down. I haven't slept in a bed in about 12 years bc I'm not comfortable in a bed for some reason. I have to sleep on a couch in my room. I have 11 different pillows for when I am sleeping. It is nothing short of just existing at this point for me 💔

[@JennieBanks]

@@nolies9071my heart breaks for you. Its unacceptable.

[@lynnesteele9682]

This helps me understand the major transformation in a previously high functioning person. Very sad situation.

[@poutinedream5066]

It's impossible. I had half my lung removed. 4 days later they sent me home on ibuprofen. My doc asked me did I go back to tell them it wasn't enough. I said I told them before I left. They. Don't.Care. About. My. Pain.

[@patlafever2049]

I live in chronic pain everyday.

[@Little_Muskrat13]

@patlafever2049 I'm so very sorry, Pat. Don't give up. Find a doctor who will treat you like a human being. I wish you all the best !!

[@Little_Muskrat13]

@patlafever2049 I'm so very sorry, Pat. You look young in the photo. Don't give up. Keep searching until you find a physician willing to treat you like a human being. All the best.

[@alisonmurphy5554]

I am so sorry to learn this.

[@gingerhart3584]

I do too it is horrible

[@patriciagray5157]

Where are those doctors, so many quit, or just try to ween you off drugs. Telling you no such thing it's in your head, bs, well why does the med help to some degree.

[@lizbits9339]

Three level lumbar fusion here. When I read about Luigi having back problems and back surgery I thought I know why he lost it. I’ve never thought of killing anyone but I understand how completely crazy chronic pain can make someone. I’ve had 30 years of heavy duty pain. It really really is rough stuff. I had cancer and that was nothing compared to my back pain. This kind of pain can make someone crazy. I get it. Thank you for this important video.

[@SissyMchill1]

My dad is fused from his tailbone to the mid spine. Where it’s right it is last part of the spine that is in the C portion of the spine. His first surgery was 14 hours long. They went through his his stomach in which he has about a 10 scar on his belly and his back. My mom and I when he came out his head was the size of a pumpkin and his face was blue it was very troubling for us doctors didn’t even warn us. 😳 I busted into tears. And I believe that was to only fix a couple blown out discs. He healed from that surgery to only blow out the discs to the thoracic part of his back. And get this he blew him out during physical therapy from his first surgery. Thankfully that surgery was only about 6 hours. Four years he was on pain management medication opiates. And you know he went in to buy his grandson a rifle and was denied because of being on the medication or at least that’s what the person selling him the gun said it was. My dad got off of the pain medications. He has zero life now you can barely walk but he will never take those medication‘s again. My dad is definitely pro second amendment is a Vietnam veteran and it’s not just the insurance companies it’s not just the doctors it’s our government people need to realize that. Making anything mandatory by our lawmakers is going to create tyrants. Yes tyrants in the medical field. It’s going to make insurance companies gouge their prices and limit the care. I remember a time where car insurance was a mandatory but as soon as they made it mandatory The prices of full coverage insurance quadrupled. And now it’s so far out of control they do credit background checks. They penalize people with no claims no tickets due to the area they live in. American system is broken due to our lawmakers. If this young man targeted that CEO he was targeting the wrong person. (In no way am I saying he should target anyone with violence) he should’ve addressed this with Congress he could’ve been a great voice to fix the holes, the tyrants in the insurance companies.

[@gretchen19]

I have had chronic pain for 35 years . I have a crushed sciatic nerve, two forms of scoliosis buldging disc bone on bone. I have had 2 surgeries that did nothing. Spinal stenosis and many other health issues. I started taking pain meds 5 to 6 years after the pain started. But mentally, it does change you the stress of the pain others not understanding fighting Inc and Doctors and pharmacy all these factors take a great toll on your life and those around you. It takes more to live at that time than to give up. For those that don't have many bonds kids family that care .God, I cont'd even imagine how hard it is on them. Every day, 24 hours a day, you are in pain, and believe me, it takes everything from you, so yes, it plays on your mind. God bless anyone with this it is a life long struggle that never ends mentally and physically

[@msv8180]

I had a 3 level back fusion (titanium cage). I have had other surgeries (C-Section). Failed back surgery. The last doctor told me they did my surgery wrong. Yes. I do get so depressed. The pain with my surgery sent me to get panic attacks. This is NO joke. It has been a battle to get pain meds. I am in California. After 30 years with the same company, I got injured. Our Workers Compensation is horrible!!! God bless you doctor for your video.❤❤❤

[@reetl4825]

Where in California? I'm in Southern California. I'm am SO sorry they did your surgery wrong and that you are suffering. I have severe scoliosis and am bedbound. Surgeon, who treated me as if I was stupid, wants to fuse t1 to s1. He didnt explain a thing to me, probably because i have crappy insurance that would underpay him. I've seen 4 spine surgeons. All seemed as if they could not care less about helping me. I'm wondering who the surgeon is who did your surgery wrong. Also, is there a surgeon you would recommend? Is your pain properly controlled now?

[@msv8180]

@ I understand your frustration. Please take someone with you to a doctor’s appointment if you can. It has been my experience that you are taken more seriously. I can’t recommend anyone. Read about Pacific Hospital in Long Beach. They did unnecessary back surgeries. The last doctor refused to see me again after he told me they did my surgery wrong. I am DONE with surgeries. Workers Comp. in California is corrupt. I worked 30 years on last job. 😩

[@mallardtheduck406]

Dr. Kaveh, You Rock Bro. for tackling difficult subject matter with kindness and good 'ol common sense solutions.

[@stilllearning8360]

Having chronic neck & back pain for 25 years, I would give anything to shake your hand Doc. Everything you said here is 100%!!! From the bottom my heart, THANK YOU 💕

[@pegggymallis324]

There are many modalities used for chronic back pain. ESI'S, PT, legitimate pain management doctors and more. Luigi appeared to walk and ride his bike with no obvious deficits. Killing a CEO will not help his mood or pain. Neither will sitting in a jail cell. His family had the assets to help in, unlike majority of Americans.

[@heidi5462]

I am with you.🫂

[@felinelvr27]

Me too…

[@danacarlson6425]

Me too

[@Zkbbkzzz]

@me too

[@elainec5333]

Chronic pain, illness or abuse is a serious trauma and trauma causes mood disorders. Thank you for discussing this bc preventing and addressing root causes will hopefully prevent awful situations of lifelong suffering and violence.

[@Inge68]

You need to help

[@lilyanapetkova4306]

Thank you for making this video! As soon as I read about this case, I started trying to understand what led to this drastic change in this individual, given that everybody from his social circle was staying how kind and good Luigi was before his back problems worsened. I knew the shift in his cognitions and mentality must have had something to do with his spinal surgery and problems. From what I could extrapolate from Luigi's reddit posts, I assume he must have been dealing with nerve damage and even possible inflamation of the nerves, and all this can directly affect the brain, and cognition subsequently.

[@geekyvalkyrie]

I've struggled through horrific C5, 6 & 7cervical radiculopathy for 20 years, most of it without coverage, treatment, or pain management. It's wonderful just to hear hear a physician acknowledge the physical and emotional ramifications, and the difficulty of adequate pain management. Thank you. Lordy, I wish the cortisone helped. Alas, it doesn't begin to touch the pain that keeps me from living my life. I'm 42. I may have 40 more years of this, and I don't know how to face it.

[@thisguy1356]

All my best to you

[@coolramone]

🙏

[@jaydahlgren855]

Like I am, one day at a time. Sometimes an hour at a time. My thoughts and prayers for relief for all of us.

[@sjamwal3199]

Thank you doctor for coming forward and speaking for thousands of patients

[@kevinbuda7087]

what? this guys overpriced services are part of the problem!

[@jasmineofearth]

You forgot the /s

[@HisameArtwork]

@@kevinbuda7087 exactly, this bozo is blaming his colleagues malpractice instead of is actually happening. he's blaming Luigi's friends for not being more supportive. it's disgusting.

[@bayareagrl4ever526]

I understand what this young man is going through. He was young, handsome, intelligent. He had an accident and now in serious pain. Not only will the pain affect and change him, the pain medication changed him. Pain medication will affect him through and through. You could be social and athletic, soon you find yourself withdrawn, antisocial, not enjoying any of the things you used to enjoy. This poor young man was gravely suffering for a very long time. And I worked in insurance for many years. They are FOR PROFIT. They usually deny a claim as standard practice and then see if you know enough to appeal the denial. If not, they save money. Insurance companies don’t care about you,in my opinion.

[@karenmessinger9609]

You do realize that pain when untreated or undertreared not only affects the brain but changes it too? When pain is properly treated with pain meds people are not so depressed. In fact they can at least function & continue having some quality of life. You put no treatment & undertreatment of pain with the loss of quality of life you get depression, hopelessness , mood problems (anger) & a greatly reduced social life. You get isolated. Then you get 'addict' label & gaslighting by drs too afraid of the dea to prescribe more than an ibuprofen but willing to prescribe drugs for psyche or useless gabapentin which does not help most pain patients. Insurance just ran with the opportunity to deny everything they can for pain patients. I put the biggest blame on the cdc & Andrew Kolodney & his anti opiod zealots who are all getting rich from their sick evil agenda to get every pain patient on bupe or related meds. I can certainly understand why Luigi did what he did but he should have targeted Kolodney. As a pain patient, I know very well that you don't leave a person with nothing to lose. The ceo found that out the hard way. Opiod meds need to be given back to the pain patients. Opiods are the only med a dr will take away from a patient who's condition is stablized on.. They don't take away heart meds or insulin after the patient has been stablized on it.

[@linnie3942]

The wrong pain medication like gabapentin will cause someone to withdraw. You need to find the right medication for your pain

[@noturningbackever493]

@@karenmessinger9609 I was recently on Gabapentin. It did nothing. Then I was prescribed Pregabalin. Did nothing. As a result I have lost a LOT of hair, that at my age, it's doubtful it will ever grow back again. I notified the FDA. Neither drugs' side effects mentions hair loss--do your own research--it's there, but the NP's and PA's don't bother to do the research. They could care less about what they prescribe.

[@reetl4825]

​@karenmessinger9609 Don't forget to blame the DEA as well. These are law enforcement people, NOT medical doctors making decisions to cut the supply of pain medications, which results in shortages. The DEA terrorizes doctors who appropriately prescribe controlled substances to adequately reduce pain in their patients so that they can function and be productive. When you mention Kolodny, don't forget to mention Lembke. Lembke who has stated that chronic pain patients should not bother going to the doctor and that they should go straight to a spiritual counselor. Younger doctors truly believe the bs they are being taught about chronic pain. They actually believe that opiates don't work for chronic pain. Older doctors know this is not true because they have seen how opiates provide relief and allow their patients to function and have a life. I wish all doctors understood that chronic pain patients are pain relief seeking and that prescribed opiates do not make us high. So wrong that younger doctors do not understand the huge difference between dependence and addiction.

[@jodibirmingham9040]

Dr. thank you for all of your information! You are an advocate for patients and an educator. I'm a Certified Medical Assistant having worked in primarily family practice for over 30yrs. Two yrs ago I lost my job and ability to work or basically function due to severe lumbar spondylothesis and spinal stenosis. Finally had multi level fusion and lami 6 mos ago. It was horrible and I'm just now getting some strength back. I've worked with chronic pain patients my entire career but until I experienced it myself I had no idea. I'm not surprised by this young man's drastic actions, our system is broken. However it's so sad he clearly had no advocate or like you said was extremely isolated and in that dark place with his severe pain. So very sad. I pray for him, his family, for his victim and his victims family.

[@Mujtaba1-c2w]

Hello, how would you describe your fusion surgery a success or a mistake I'm suffering from the same condition and thinking to go under the knife or remain in pain and inactive plz . Stay blessed

[@Justagirlnamedshawn]

I am defeated. I have chronic, debilitating neck and low back issues. I have Sero- negative RA. I have had one neck surgery. I have been gaslighted by the medical community relentlessly. My story is way to long. I am FINALLY getting to see a PA for my back. I have researched a LOT of things to educate myself. I am mentally fragile from dealing with this pain for 15 plus years. I am close to my end, as I cannot take anymore pain. I have no quality of life. My PCP terminated me when I started advocating for myself. I also told him I was struggling with my mental health and he told me: " Depression is a choice" then he terminated me, got paid $251 from my insurance that day, for just terminating me. All I know is my heart goes out to Luigi. All I know is, I am afraid if I am gaslighted one more time, it may be my last. I. Am. Tired.

[@MidwestHorseLover]

I'm in the same boat with you. Yep, death becomes the focus when there's no quality of life left and the ones who can help choose to turn physiological pain into something we dream up in our heads. People who knew us before pain attest to how it changes us, not for the better. So, in addition to uncontrollable pain, they add treatment-resistent depression and PTSD. I had neither prior to my MD abuse. I was a state agent and correctional sergeant. I was not a flaky boo-boo. Please see my new comment from a few minutes ago. Gaslighting, yes, Yes, YES! In solidarity with you. This country's going to see a lot more Luigi's before this bullshit ends.

[@breakingboardrooms1778]

Go have some bacon? ;)

[@lenacummings1313]

I suffered from chronic severe frequent migrines for over 10 yrs. My dr did not want to prescribe painkillers until years passed. He finally prescribed 20 pills of the lowest dosage for a 90 day period. I was finally diagnosed with a brain tumor. Even just before surgery he didnt want to prescribe pain killers. My tumor was removed and have not had a migraine since. I understand entirely. People who just plain didnt believe me. My husband and my children understood to some degree. I was depressed and could very well understand why some people consider suicide.

[@philipreed6893]

I believe you , thank god,or the Universe someone found the problem, sure many others are going through a similar problem, take care, thanks for sharing.

[@nikiTricoteuse]

I have lived with chronic pain for decades. It is truly awful. The first few years l refused to believe that it was permanent then, when l finally admitted to myself that l would be in pain every day FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE, the only thing that kept me from taking the terminal option, was that my daughter was a toddler. They say you learn to live with it but, you don’t, your life shrinks to fit the pain. Most days you can only manage to do one or two things - laundry OR cooking. Shower OR visit a friend. Groceries OR a movie. Every phone call gets cut short because of pain. Impossible to go for a walk or queue in a shop or even stand at the door to say goodbye to friends who NEVER understand that standing there for more than 30 seconds is agony. Eventually you almost never leave the house, most friends don't bother anymore cause you're not the person you were and because you're pretty much housebound you're not much of a conversationalist any more anyway. Then there's the endless chain of side effects from the pain meds that barely make a difference because they're designed for acute pain NOT chronic pain. Then the depression kicks in and the weight gain from comfort eating and lack of exercise...

[@nickiegoldinhart]

I understand exactly how you feel...I have had to learn how to not beat myself up because I can't do everything I need to in a day. If you're not familiar with The Spoon Theory by Christine M. You may find it helpful.

[@nikiTricoteuse]

@nickiegoldinhart Yeah. That's a big one - l went from working 3 jobs, socialising and renovating a house and garden to sitting practically immobile in a chair trying to convince myself not to take the exit. Thanks for the spoon theory comment. Had heard of it but, couldn't remember whose it was - been trying to explain it to a friend. As you will know, it's hard being around people who have no idea that if you do THIS thing, you can't do ANY of those other things. Hope you're doing OK. 😊

[@Wearethepeople27]

Boy, you said a mouthful. Everything you described is me even standing at the door for 30 seconds. Can’t wait for the person to leave so you can run upstairs and lay down you no longer have the life you used to have. You are only looking forward to taking the next pain pillthat only lasts for two hours.

[@nickiegoldinhart]

@@nikiTricoteuse I couldn't remember Christine's last name but that should help when you search for it.💕

[@nikiTricoteuse]

@@nickiegoldinhart She's Christine Miserandino. It came up straight away when l searched. Thank you

[@nanallen1]

Absolutely - been there after spinal injury 25 years ago. Chronic pain changes your Life. Can’t sleep, can’t think, can’t live. Good pain management gave me my Life back. My husband had bladder surgery and they wanted to send him home with NO pain meds. Unreal.

[@chiaralistica]

Yes, good pain management is a life saver. It's very expensive though, almost like it's reserved for the 1%. Well, I hope it doesn't work for any of them, only for the rest of us.

[@virginiasaunders7076]

I will never forget this...I was in line at the mmj dispensary (chronic intractable pain and PTSD are my qualifying conditions) and it was apparent to me that there was something very wrong with the woman in front of me. She was hunched over and was breathing hard. I asked her if she was okay and she said, "Oh I just had bladder surgery and all they gave me was Tylonal 2s. I don't know what I should get here." "That's terrible and insane. You might need Rick Simpson Oil." "How much is that? I only have $30." It's so unfair we have to pay out of pocket for the only form of pain medication that's available to us in the form of medical cannabis. I still feel rage bubbling up inside of me for the poor woman. HOW could they think Tylonal 2s was appropriate post surgery. It is so unfair and sick.

[@BSchep-e7n]

TY for being an advocate for those w/o a voice.

[@crystalhutchinson4068]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ More physicians like you are needed because when doctors speak up, things will change more quickly than when patients do. ❤

[@KathyChambers-mh1hw]

My husband had major surgery. After his surgery, the pain medicine was LIMITED and he was told to expect a level 2 or 3 out of 10. This is because the hospital said 0 pain is too much pain medicine. This is the most despicable b.s that I have ever heard. Good people can't get appropriate pain medicine nowadays.

[@teresaforsyth6185]

I'm still 14 weeks away from a knee replacement. Already waited 9 weeks. As a retired nurse, I know that pain needs to be treated by different modalities. My N.P. Thinks if I ask for tramadol and clebrex, Tylenol. Today she prescribed 10. I have 14 x 7=98 more days to wait. I got 10 pain pills.

[@Meow4B]

I have pain medicine and I’m pretty grateful for a two or three day, I call that a really good day. But if I had to work I would need more meds or I would not be a two or three most days.

[@kaedatiger]

If you have complete pain removal, you end up hurting yourself more.

[@cinnamoslut]

A two or three out of 10 after surgery is excellent. Surgery is trauma to the body. Pain is to be expected, but it won't last forever. Expecting a zero is not realistic in many cases. I say this as a person with long-term chronic pain.

[@PWS60]

I'm sure that he was or is a chronic pain patient that wasn't being properly treated for it. They are so concerned about someone getting addicted to pain medication so they just don't properly treat it. Thank you for speaking about this. You are so right. Stop the fentenyl coming over the border and leave chronic pain patients alone.

[@dawnhoughton4533]

Because of onerous DEA laws, doctors just say no.

[@christopherleubner6633]

Yes, they are more concerned about getting an undercover DEA agent pretending to be a pain patient than doing something about the pain. I saw the DEA memo sent to doctors and in short it says that opi

[@analogueoverdigital929]

The DEA is part of the problem. If you really look at the big picture, the DEA focuses only on legal script abuse and basically close their eyes when it comes to the border. Such a joke. Go get Aunt Rose, she's on way to many Percocet. But forget about Sam who shoots fentanyl 12 times a day.

[@heather4675]

Canadian here, and I had surgery 2 weeks ago, I was home for 2 days and back in the hospital. I requested morphine because I know if I get that for the first 2/3 nights for sleeping, Tylenol works for me throughout the day.

[@Zkbbkzzz]

Well said and I totally agree.

[@Butterfly-mv8fo]

I love your compassion for People! I have personally been suicidal due to chronic pain that nobody can explain! Thx for the video 💕

[@CarolReidCA]

I hope you find treatment for your pain that is adequate and responsible. Have you ever looked into kratom? CBD? Ketamine? If you do use these, do so responsibly, know the risks, be careful, and get some relief. 🫂

[@Zkbbkzzz]

Same

[@cinnamoslut]

@@CarolReidCA Kratom, CBD, and Ketamine are unfortunately quite expensive. Definitely worth trying, but for many people with chronic pain who struggle to work full time (or at all), the price can be a barrier. And in my experience, they don't work very well sadly. Although I haven't tried ketamine for chronic pain yet. I am going to when I have the money to pay for it.

[@sammy2840]

I was lucky enough to find a great Pain Clinic! Been with them for 15 years! Twin Cities Pain Clinic! Dr Will!

[@spikesterbc9634]

Nobody knows how each person deals with their pain , how much pain there is can totally change a person, and I know this first hand . I had neck surgery a year ago September , and I had to relearn how to walk and feed myself . Now I'm in constant pain in my right leg and hip and it's changed me in a big way . I'm not the social person I used to be , I was very artistic and outgoing and now I just want to sit at home by myself .

[@GhostHelwig]

I’ve had fibromyalgia since I was a kid and I broke my back years ago, so chronic pain is my life, to the point where I’m on disability for all of it. I wake up in pain, and I go to bed in pain, even though I’m actually on a low dose of pain medication. If I wasn’t on disability, though? I could never afford any of my meds. My sister has different medical conditions, some of which cause her as much pain as I’m in but just not as continually, so she can work - but it means she can’t get even the same amount of help as I do. She literally can’t afford it. She can’t get the same tests that I do, because even though we’re poor, she’s not poor enough to qualify for any financial help. The system is ridiculous. It’s cruel. And that’s not even getting into the mental health conditions that come along with this much chronic pain, or the social stigmas, or anything else that compounds the suffering you’re already in. I don’t condone violence. I don’t condone murder. But I can still recognize what might have lead to Luigi’s choice.

[@patriciagray5157]

Iam so angry with being in pain everyday, a day long, I don't even talk on phone now, pain consumed my life. Sad to say I understand if he was in chronic pain.

[@nickiegoldinhart]

I have Lupus/Fibromyalgia, I also broke my femur last Christmas. If I hadn't already been on disability, I don't think I'd have made it through 10 months of Rehab/PT to be able to walk again. I've been in chronic pain for decades now & I have been lucky that my doctors realize that & give me meds to help but there are days that I can't get out of bed. Pain can consume your brain, it literally changes your brain chemistry, it can be very isolating & I can understand how Luigi feels. I live in a small rural community & years ago one of my neighbors went into the center of town, shot & killed himself. Left behind a wife & young daughter. 😢

[@GhostHelwig]

@@patriciagray5157 Same. Some days are harder than others, but as I get older especially, each day is hard to get through. The only thing that keeps me going is my rabbit. I hope you have something or someone good in your life that makes every day worth it. I’m sorry you’re in so much pain.

[@GhostHelwig]

@@nickiegoldinhart I’m so sorry to hear about your neighbor, and also the pain you’ve been in for so long. Without being on disability, I’m certain I would be so much worse off. It’s the only thing that lets me afford my meds, my doctor visits, everything. Which is also terrifying, because if it ever goes away I don’t know what I’ll do. I think the pain is just a small part of the stress chronic pain puts people in, too - the worry about money, the loneliness and isolation (no one wants to constantly have to visit someone who is stuck in bed all day), the constant dismissal if your illness happens to be invisible, like so many chronic pain conditions are… It’s a lot. I can definitely understand how someone could be driven out of their mind living this way. Without my family, I would want to die. Even with them, some days are… Not great. I hope things improve for you, and that you have support through all of this.

[@daydreamy24]

Me too. Fibro and Crohns. Have had broken hands and need one rebuilt due to arthritis. Pain all the freaking time and no doctors care.

[@Kve29]

I just received a complex diagnosis for pseudodementia that is rooted in chronic pain and persistent depressive disorder. It took 42 years, but I know have a pain team, which includes a therapist and pharmacist who specialize in pain science and management. I'm 52 now and I lost my vibrancy a long time ago, but I feel like I'm getting it back. I in no way condone behavior like this, but I completely understand Luigi's anger, dark thoughts, and dysregulation. Chronic pain does way more emotional and mental damage than physical. I don't understand killing, but I do understand becoming someone you're not. The entire situation is tragic; there are no heroes here.

[@philipreed6893]

Even a few minutes a day , meditating can help , restful and calming, Silva Centering exercise is a good tape and it’s free, on KZbin. Laura Silva.

[@Bealtaine947]

I am so grateful, Dr. Kaveh that you are addressing this situation and validating many who are in similar pain circumstances. I include myself in having suffered chronic pain at different times of my life.💜💜💜💜💜

[@goldseraph7051]

Thank you for being a voice for those who connect with your explanation about pain. Because I am one of them.

[@vimax01]

Thank you for bringing the suffering of the ignored to light.

[@Gina-dn6xm]

I have chronic lyme and failed spinal surgery. I had severe fatigue for 2 years before being tested for lyme. The test was positive. After years of treatment, I was diagnosed with ME/CFS. I had a laminectomy and spinal fusion on L5/S1 about a year ago. I can not walk far or stand long. Chronic pain is not treated properly. I'm 64 years old. I finally got a limited number of pain meds that I only use for long doctors appointments. I spend most days in bed. I didn't crave the pain meds at all. I would never have any back surgery again. By the way, lyme doctors do not take insurance. My insurance company denied my MRI on my back and had to pay for it myself. We have spent maybe 60, 000 out of pocket from retirement money. Chronic lyme is not well understood nor is ME/CFS.

[@patriciagray5157]

Been there it's terrible.

[@kathytagg9034]

Agree with all. And lyme rage is real, made we wonder if this played a part.

[@bblue6095]

As someone who suffers from chronic pain, specifically spinal and depression I can say that you have good physical days and bad physical days.

[@maryjanewesterlund9958]

You can say that YOU have bad days and YOU have good days. You cannot say that applies to every person experiencing pain. Maybe THEY have pain EVERY day - maybe THEY have pain ALL day, EVERY day.

[@bblue6095]

@maryjanewesterlund9958 it was in response to the fact that he was able to get from one place to another so quickly. Sheesh, chill out.

[@shastina5493]

I do! It's depressing! Besides always being in pain, once you cant work anymore you start to loose everything you ever worked for! Hope is hard to find! ​@@maryjanewesterlund9958

[@sharoncarlisle9453]

@@bblue6095 I understand what you are saying. Plus, if you factor in the adrenaline in that type of situation, along with the fact that people in chronic pain just have to do things that cause them pain all the time in their lives, I am not surprised he could travel (potentially in pain, but fleeing for his life/freedom).

[@bblue6095]

Exactly! If i didn't do things because of my pain i would literally spend most of my life in bed. ​@sharoncarlisle9453

[@brandonbennett84]

I suffer from chronic pain from a failed neck fusion surgery. 2010 I had my neck fused and my life has been hell since then. What I’ve went through in the last 15 years with the medical field has been utter hell. I was studying health care management in college prior to my car wreck in 2009. I also have multiple family members that work in the medical field. I’ve exhausted all my options for my spine and health. I won’t share here everything I deal with medically, but it’s enough to make someone lose their mind! I don’t agree with what he did, but change is needed in the US medical field!

[@Karen-ni3ig]

Excellent analysis. Doctors spend so little time with patients it is no wonder so much is missed in diagnosis and treatment of chronic pain syndrome.

[@JoleneBear-y7i]

I am blown away. Finally.

[@reality_is_the_key]

I just finally had my "spondy" treated after FIVE years of absolute hell. Not even living. Just trying to continue to exist. I 100% understand him. I was not on any pain meds either because they are NOT prescribed to people who need them. So his anger and hatred toward the health care system..I know that hatred and that anger. To be so let down by people who are supposed to help is devastating.

[@spicyirwin5835]

SO TRUE! I know of 5 chronic pain patients who killed themselves bc they could no longer handle the pain. When they got their sm amount of pain meds they took them all & think declared OD instead of suicide. Lawyers deposed me twice for them but I was in so much pain crying when atty was rude. Their families tried to take on Kaiser & sadly I didnt think I helped except attys knowing what PAIN was from me. They chose not to take fentanyl which is so easy to get off the sts from Cartels. Proud of them & myself as Kaiser ran out of morphine then opioids. I went thru 2 wks of hell & didnt go to hospital as directed bc Ive got kittens. Blood Pressure was a stroke ready to happen. So this was Kaiser's answer is $$$ hospital stays? God Bless & Stay Healthy. 💜🙏💜😇Epidurals & accupressure works!

[@deborahh2165]

Then we have to find compassionate caring drs. We are our best advocate and anger does nothing. and this young man has instead chosen to end someone elses life ruined his life, his own family and the family of the man he murdered. There are caring drs and ones that want to help, but we have to do our part. Is it hard when we're in pain? Absolutely, but it is OUR life and we can't give up.

[@Gatita-Oso]

So true! I have had back pain since 2019 and other lifelong health conditions that have been severely heightened due to the back problems in which I continue to chronically suffer excruciating pain everyday without access to pain medication, thus forced to live solely without the ability to travel in public due to my disabilities. My life before this combined pain was normal with work 40+ hrs a week, fun times, feeling human. Then everything I known for most of my life, GONE. Being confined to living alone due to severe mental And physical pain beyond your control is life-changing. Much so it is enough to make me be crazy but others who only see me and don't know anything about me think I really am just Crazy, which is so unfair.

[@lmarie3834]

How did they treat your spondy? They are still trying to find a Rheumy to determine if I have Spondy or DISH. Two Rheumies have denied my referral (smaller town). I have chronic pain and zero life anymore (in bed a majority of the time, just to recover from very little effort). So depressing!

[@ToItalywithLove]

As someone with chronic back pain and failed back surgery, in our US insurance system, ITS A NIGHTMARE!! And the resulting mental health disorder is a complete reality. Insurance is a FRAUD!!! NO, those of us who live in chronic pain are not crazy, we are, in most cases gaslit!!!

[@derekbootle8316]

Luigi is a hero. He sacrificed his freedom in order to show the world the failure of the medical system. If Dr.s can't fix it, they don't care. If insurance companies don't see it profitable, they don't care. Being upset because you're in pain isn't a mood disorder, it's a normal reaction to an abnormal condition. Dr's: if you can't fix the problem, treat the symptoms regardless of addiction. Palative care is better than no care.

[@agnieszkamaria]

He also sacrificed another life , mind you

[@carpediemarts705]

A billion people have absorbed that data. It's the 75,000 people who died from denied care we hear nothing about.​@@agnieszkamaria

[@marsbeads]

⁠@@agnieszkamaria and that CEO also killed many that didn’t have to die.

[@to6955]

Um he’s not a hero!

[@carpediemarts705]

@to6955 millions of people whose lives have been turned to misery by health insurance denial of care see him as a hero regardless how it conflicts with your sense of morality. I'm not saying he's a hero. You aren't. The people who want a hero are. Kinda like Trump for the maga cult.

[@chastinasquyres6146]

Thank you for having the balls to speak out about this. Keep it up.

[@JH-we7xf]

I work on a unit as a new grad nurse, and we have many patients who have undergone spinal surgery. Some even multiple surgeries in a matter of years. And they all have chronic pain. Some manage it with a pain clinic but few and far between. So when they come into our unit I give pain meds on a schedule to minimize break through pain. And then they go home and their prescriptions aren't enough to manage their pain later. Especially if the surgery fails at our hospital, I've seen them return. The thing is I also have suffered with chronic issues all my life. So I can empathize with their experience and that guides my care.

[@MidwestHorseLover]

Can you agree that not ALL chronic pain patients on opioids get addicted? For some of us, they've saved our lives. After what I've been through - and my opioid management is at the very lowest effective dose (which is rather ineffective because when it's 20mg, not 10mg, I can do stairs and drive, where I can't otherwise.

[@leaXaela]

For all of you who mention living with pain, do not lose hope. I’ve been there with you, for over 10 years in chronic pain. Losing hope is the worst, deadly. But I’ve gotten better, no longer in chronic pain. I wish you all get better ❤ And I want to add…. It took moving to another country to get medical help for me. The USA failed me when it comes to medical help.

[@Lorrieboi]

Sorry but we need more Luigis. No amount of boycotts and public outcry will fetter the numbing high of greed.

[@islesofshoals3551]

Yup. The powers that be are all in on it

[@marciedavis0917]

Especially for Chronically ill people. We r nothing to society and doctors.

[@ginadonza3549]

No, killing people isn’t the right way to do things. What if this mentality carried over into other professions? What’s the difference between this and school shootings because the kid had mental illness and/or was bullied for years, got sick of it and decided to shoot innocent children and teachers? Is that right?

[@maidintheusa9602]

Something needs to change!!! The Sadler family got rich getting ppl hooked on opioid pain killers. No matter how many lawsuits happened nothing could stop their runaway greed. Now the pendulum has swung too far the other way. Ppl who need pain management have a hard time getting results.

[@evyedelman4297]

Anon... V for Vendetta... Be afraid, very afraid. ​@@islesofshoals3551

[@TamiMiller-cw2hu]

I have had chronic pain and untreatable depression for years. I can tell you that the gun was pointed at me twice. Both times, I had someone intervene. I'm very grateful. But boy, I have had my times of going dark. I thank my current doctors for being kind and willing to listen.

[@janetklumper6048]

I sometimes wish i had a gun, but it is not allowed in my country

[@carolbelyeu-Alhaddad]

@@TamiMiller-cw2hu I relate 100% to this. Horrible! 💔

[@Zkbbkzzz]

I understand Total desperation.

[@WFT391]

Dr. Kaveh, thanks for addressing this!! What Luigi did is completely unacceptable, but chronic pain does affect thought processes.

[@logicrealitytruth]

What he “allegedly”did…

[@michellevandyke5000]

I'm someone who has not only suffered since age 2 with constant medical problems, but one of them is chronic pain. I thank you so much for the helpful information. You are a wonderful person to share so much helpful information with the public. I've learned so much on your channel. Thank you so much for everything that you do. Merry Christmas!

[@babiejaz9422]

Great doctor with pure soul 🎉🎉🎉thank for speaking up . Free 🆓 lugi

[@SledDog5678]

I agree with the Dr. I live 24 hrs a day in pain...injuries from an accident, surgeries done by a horrible insurance provided doc...who is so bad he npw is an "ambulance chaser". He did one of my surgeries with a neurosugeon on a remote tv screen. I kid you not! AMERICA'S HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IS IN THE OUTHOUSE!!!! I UNDERSTAND LUIGI'S PAIN AND WHY HE DID WHAT HE DID. PAIN AFFECTS YOU IN EVERY AREA!!!!!!

[@Sundaylamb3]

a spinal surgeon once told me he would never allow anyone to touch his back unless he was crawling on his hands and knees

[@mightymouse1005]

My dad had back surgery and told me to NEVER let them cut on my back

[@user-ov4wr5yu4r]

Sadly that is the case for some patients.

[@carolbelyeu-Alhaddad]

@@Sundaylamb3 easy to say when you are not the one whom is at a point they will do ANYTHING to relieve the constant pain! My husband asked me yesterday if I am ever not in pain. I replied, I am always in pain. Waking up, trying to function all day, then interrupted sleep, etc… it is the degree of pain that varies. ALWAYS in pain! I am at a point where I am ready to give up. Hubby surprised me with a puppy on Halloween. It has helped keep my focus on something else besides my agonizing pain. I am crying while commenting because he said to me recently, I love you and hate seeing you like this. I said some days it’s not enough and that broke his heart. It breaks mine too because he has been my rock and has kept from walking off a ledge. Poor guy feels helpless and yet he keeps trying to make it better. He is also working 6 nights a week to support us while I wait for disability to be approved. Not everyone has this kind of love in their life and that makes me cry more. Reading the comments here and seeing how many people deal with this issue is heartbreaking 💔 I am not alone yet there are days where I feel like I am. Not to mention, until recently I had United healthcare and I am now in crippling medical debt! I hate this country right now!

[@kindnessheals]

Good to know!!!!! He should write a book about what he knows to warn everyone!

[@rodburket4582]

So true. I will never allow any knife to my back.

[@donthateme5029]

Im 55. Noone believed my pain and headaches in the 70s & 80s...Or ever. I hadn't heard of migraines. A series of mri/ct's revealed in have Congenital spinal stenosis, in 2019. I totally feel some kind of way about not being believed, being dismissed, all the tears, pain time off work, loss of family time , monthly premiums, and of course co-pays.

[@mightymouse1005]

And sadly, especially with women, doctors think everything is either emotional or hormones....many docs completely disregard women.

[@doggygothopsyogi7942]

Same same same… Me too, all these stories of personal experience with years of pain and never finding solid ground, so sad. I feel compassion for each and everyone of you, and for myself too❤ One more things, I think it’s unacceptable to hack away at bodies, and then feed it pain killers and antidepressants (as prescribed!) as an end game. Utterly unacceptable!

[@donnalindakelley3402]

My prayers are for Luigi. I never met him, but I know what insurance companies do. I used to work for one. They don't care at all about their customers. They care only about their top executives getting multi million dollar salaries and huge bonuses and huge houses to live in. I feel sorry for the man who got shot too. I feel badly for his family. But in a way, he asked for it. I would like to know how many people died because the insurance companies refused treatment and meds for people who had medically necessary problems that the insurance companies choose to ignore.

[@Dawn-f7g]

I am one of millions, screwed by medical people, constant pain but never thought of hurting anyone.😢😢😢

[@isagoldfield7393]

Thank You Doc for addressing this issue, so many of us suffering with chronic pain/illness & it hurts so much more when insurance companies deny coverage😞😞😞

[@nataliakrzyzanowskacoyner8384]

Thank you so much for making this very important video. Your compassion and insights are truly priceless 🙏🫶

[@JPage-fj7mb]

I used to work in disability claims adjudication. It was heartbreaking to read that nearly every case of back or neck surgery to relieve problems either did not help the person OR made it WORSE. Be very careful about the decision to have surgery on your back.

[@kimlarso]

💥

[@BestDarnPumpkin]

This is insane!!? Can I ask what types of surgeries were leading to worse pain or no relief?

[@chiaralistica]

​@@BestDarnPumpkinfusion is one. I was told by 2 ortho specialists that it didn't work and do therapy, yoga and pain management. Also know that epidurals may cause paralysis. They like to skip that part.

[@BestDarnPumpkin]

@ thank you!!

[@Dawn-f7g]

Thank you DOC❤❤❤Happy Holidays, love your channel🎉

[@taovalentine1655]

I live with chronic lower back pain at the L5, S1, which is at the same spot as Luigi’s, from a failed back surgery. There are days when I have to wake up and take a cocktail of ibuprofen and acetaminophen. I went through years of paying for pain specialists myself, because my insurance denied coverage. Two years after I stopped seeing pain specialists, I was diagnosed with chronic depression and anxiety disorder, and put on medication for both. I was at the point of considering taking my life, because I couldn’t see my future as anything other than dealing with the pain and anxiety. I lost hope in my dreams and goals, which was not like me at all. I withdrew from everything, even the people who loved me. It was a very dark time, and something extremely difficult to overcome. I came back through therapy, patience, and the consistent love of my dog. Honestly, I understand the darkness that chronic pain causes. I don’t condone murder, but I understand the darkness and the thoughts that come with it.

[@lilin1503]

Thank you for addressing how chronic severe pain affects people mentally, physically and emotionally. I can understand why people would commit suicide from chronic pain.😩😭

[@trainattendant5810]

Thank you Dr. Kaveh for your genuine compassion & continuing dialog about pain, depression, & problems patients experience trying to access medical care. Had a meniscus surgery that did nothing for my pain last year. Last week was diagnosed with a double inguinal hernia. Trying to find a highly rated surgeon in my insurance network has been a nightmare. Also very concerned about the potential chronic pain issue from the mesh. In all this I remind myself to not be in victim consciousness. Sending everyone on here experiencing physical & emotional pain a prayer for your relief & healing.

[@BettyOgden]

I have trigeminal neuralgia, ankylosing spondylitis, and bad IBD and I agree with you completely. Thank 6ou for addressing the issue of pain.

[@crafttherapyatpuddlebyfarm5249]

I have chronic pain, crps, and I’m a PT. I advocated for myself because I know how. But these people who don’t feel hopeless and exhausted! This makes me so sad !

[@Frankiebigbluepup]

How do advocate for yourself, in what way 😊

[@crafttherapyatpuddlebyfarm5249]

@ I researched doctors with expertise in my particular injury which is a severed median nerve that left me with debilitating hand pain. Like lay in the bed and cry pain. My local doctor just prescribed heavier and heavier opioids which left me sedated and in pain taking away my coping skills. I found a surgeon at a major medical school who specializes in peripheral nerve injury and pain. And he hooked me up with his pain management team and the surgeon had perfected a surgical intervention that has brought me relief. I didn’t just accept that there was nothing that could be done. And I knew where to look to find some sort of help. My surgeon is at UTSouthwestern in Dallas. I’m sure there are surgeons at other major teaching hospitals that may be able to point people with pain in the right direction.

[@crafttherapyatpuddlebyfarm5249]

I researched the top doctors in the country who treated my condition rather than accepting that nothing more could be done and relying on ever increasing doses of opioids. I knew where to look and self referred because of my medical background. My surgeon is at UTSouthwestern in Dallas. Several hours from my home. I’m sure other teaching hospitals around the country have experts to help other types of pain. I’m not painfree. But the surgeon works closely with the pain management doctor and I’m so much more functional now. I’m getting my life back, without excessive opioid use.

[@susette7066]

God bless your empathy-

[@RadiantEnergyMassage]

I'm a massage therapist. Totally agree with this doctor about pain.. a person cannot function properly if they are in constant pain. I have that on the first page of my website in my video.. "we must first get you out of pain before we can think of anything else." Many of my clients want to make mental, emotional, and spiritual changes.. if they are in physical pain, I tell them we have to work on that first, because if you are in pain, the brain can't think of anything else. And yes, I do distance sessions.. Reiki can be done by phone or Zoom. And yes, Reiki works on physical pain. :)

[@babybluechristie]

Massage therapy should be covered by insurance for pain patients. Sadly it’s not 😢

[@JamesBond-is5du]

Let's be honest, most of the country wants this guy freed. Luigi might have saved countless lives in the long run going forward. Think about it. He sacrificed his good life to benefit the less fortunate. Thanks Luigi.

[@noturningbackever493]

While I understand his way of thinking to a point, since I am in the same position as he is, that is no excuse to murder anyone, regardless of the pain. When he goes to court, the defense will plead insanity for him. He committed a crime. He has to pay the price for that crime, as anyone else who murders another human being.

[@j.a.c3813]

Yes!

[@HisameArtwork]

@@noturningbackever493 oh please, if you were tortured by alquaeda and your family killed you'd defend your self too. just because his torturers and his grandma's killers were white men in suits instead of browns in the desert doesn't make it less of a crime. thomson is a mass murderer, bin laden was a father and husband too and unlike thomson bin laden's wife loved him and even jumped in front of seal team and took a bullet for him. thompson wife had left him and lived somewhere far from him. so spare me your hypocrisy, your racism is showing.

[@Dave1Claudius]

This Guy was spoiled who came from Privilege who took it upon himself to play Judge and murder in cold blood by shooting this guy in the back and then two more times that is a coward. His actions scream what is partly wrong with this country. The Point has nothing to do with the Victims job but Luigi Killing and unarmed man.

[@Chryslerx88]

@@noturningbackever493 I don't disagree but given all the circumstances, he deserves the greatest clemency.

[@karynbanksley7110]

I hope that what Luigi did to the CEO does scare Insurance executives enough to prevent them from allowing their greed to motivate them to follow through with wicked decisions such as denying coverage for anesthesia! They need to go through surgeries without anesthesia, and we’ll see how well they do!! But of course they have plenty of money to pay out-of-pocket for their anesthesia!!

[@cetkat]

That's exactly what happened. Now the push for limits on anesthesia are gone and the CEO's are rushing to obtain protective services.

[@logicrealitytruth]

“Allegedly”

[@badeds100]

I have Ehlers Danlos Syndrome HEDS. Was diagnosed at 40 years old I’m 74 now. I had 17 knee surgeries to keep the knee caps in place. Wish we knew the diagnosis then I know now. I proceeded to have Total Knee Replacements. I had a 19 minute bleeding time that had them seeking a diagnosis. That was the best day ever! I have been on opiates for probably 30 years. I’m having to titrating my pain meds and it’s so hard to have an active life and not have that excruciating pain!

[@melissa9842-p4v]

Fellow zebra here 🦓 I'm trying to resist surgery on my joints. Pain is a constant all over my body. I am thankfully on an opioid for a couple of years now. It allows me to have some functioning as I ration them out. I feel so bad for the rest of the chronic pain warriors that have no pain meds at all.

[@Nini_nici]

My Mom has several conditions, but she came get all of her prescribed medicine because the DEA is harassing pharmacies and now she can't even find the medication she was prescribed by her specialist. She already had to cut out a medication prior to this because she has several conditions that require controlled substances. I don't know what the future is going to hold for her. I know i hate seeing her in tears.

[@marycaruso3846]

Thank you for being on Utube. I have been dealing with chronic pain for the last 10 year’s and I feel like I’m at the end of my rope. I’ve lost friends because I lash out and last week my sister stopped speaking to me because I again lashed out. The pain never ends even when I’m sleeping I’m awake. I have bulging disks and the nerve pain is endless. I’ve had both knees replaced before the disks went and now it’s both my shoulder’s. I had a ver physical job for the first 30 years of my working life. I was a single mom so I needed the money that came with the Job, but once the children went off to University I went back to school. I had an easier job, but the damage was done.

[@joannmay-anthony1076]

I don't believe in killing the ceo. But my back surgery, skull issues from brain surgery and right knee screwed up surgeries being ignored, cuz insurances turn down testing to see what is wronged with the surgeries, makes me not feel all that bad about it.

[@TSJones-u7s]

I also thank this doctor to making this video to explain the situation so perfectly, Thank You So Much ❤

[@Deadthing]

I was hit by a car crossing the street. They drove away without checking if I was okay. I had to pay for doctor visit out of pocket. I was not prescribed medication. Not given any treatment plan at all. 6 months later my lawyer found the driver. Real testing began, turns out I was living with 5 herniated discs. Went to physical therapy. Dr suggest surgery. Insurance said no. Dr suggested cortisone shots. Insurance said no. Insurance dropped me. I’m left with constant pain, no meds, no treatment, no recovery. Just living like this. Debilitating.

[@bethelle9099]

Do research on herbs to heal yourself. The body wants to heal itself and many times surgery creates more problems. I have had severe Lyme, Fibromyalgia, Chronic fatigue, ruptured disc, pinched nerves, tmj, scoliosis and without a doubt, self educating myself, staying away from junk food and taking Chinese herbs, etc is what has saved me. My mother never took me to a doctor growing up so I had to do a lot of research to help myself. Traditional doctors were almost useless and even holistic docs don't know everything. Our bodies are our own responsibilities! The best to you!

[@Mtn_Mama-i6f]

I can’t tell you how sorry I am for what you are going through.

[@Gabster1990]

I wish I could give you a hug.

[@RayMainBagpiper]

Just recently I've had all of my toe on my right foot amputated after 6 years of continuous pain. Debriding athletes foot / trench foot / Osteomyelitis. Placental injections directly into the wound without anethstesia (?) debriding without any pain killers, I'm a transit bus operator, so you can imagine the pain I have been in over the years, desperately trying to keep my job. When I woke up from my surgery, they asked me what my pain level was, my answer .... Minus 3 !! I still have sparklie toes that aren't there but no "pain" and I can sleep now. Still healing. I had a LOT of help and support, and just paid off all of my medical bills.

[@Frankiebigbluepup]

Why won’t you take painkillers? I hate that these doctors treat us all like drug addicts or something in California at least in Kern county actually

[@RayMainBagpiper]

@@Frankiebigbluepup My mom died of kidney failure from a vicodin and other drug addiction to just about every thing she could get her hands on, I spent 20 plus years baby sitting her and her cohorts. As soon as I got out of my surgery, I threw away all of the oxicoton / oxycodone (?) and other stuff they gave me. They even had me on some strange drug that gave me symptoms of having a stroke and my care taker started talking to me in an patronizing manner, threw that down the drain. I did one week of micro dosing shrewms, which got rid of my anxiety and got me "recentered" I'd rather go through the pain than go through misery of addiction.

[@catherinewill7625]

Thank you for this. Thank you❤