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What happens when you try to UPGRADE an M1 MacBook to M2?

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Luke Miani

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Күн бұрын

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Many have bemoaned Apple's lack of updates to the M2 MacBook Pro, but it got me wondering... If nothing has changed with the chassis of the M2 MacBook Pro vs M1 MacBook Pro, can you swap the logic boards and upgrade an M1 Mac to an M2 MacBook? Well wonder no more! Because today I'm going to answer this silly and pointless question that nobody asked. I will boldly go where no tech KZbinr dared (or cared) to go. Behold, this video.
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@seyseyseysey
@seyseyseysey Жыл бұрын
"Today's video is dumb, pointless and frankly serves no real purpose" dude say no more. I'll watch it to the end
@porvoonosho
@porvoonosho 3 ай бұрын
You must not value your time at all.
@T.S.P_God5
@T.S.P_God5 2 ай бұрын
@@porvoonosho bro this was a year ago not a lot people value their time especially last year
@kooldudeno-lastname
@kooldudeno-lastname 2 ай бұрын
@@porvoonosho its a joke
@MultiNakir
@MultiNakir Ай бұрын
@@porvoonosho you must be fun at parties
@porvoonosho
@porvoonosho Ай бұрын
@@MultiNakir Well, to be honest, he could've just said "It doesn't work".
@allthenamesrtook
@allthenamesrtook Жыл бұрын
Senior systems analyst here, although I haven't looked at the specifics of the two devices relating to this, this is almost certainly going to be a battery related issue. Both of these motherboards will be expecting to be connected to a specific battery size and voltage that almost certainly differs between the two models. While they can in theory boot up with either battery, Apple will have most likely locked the power requirement to be within a very specific range and as such anything out of that will not power up.
@killerhakie
@killerhakie 2 ай бұрын
How can this be true? They are both modelled as “a2338”, and the same batter model is been used inside🤔
@manuel.dignani
@manuel.dignani 2 ай бұрын
most times apple even lock the display to work only with it's original MoBo... idk, I know touch Id and security things but why I shouldn't be able to boot an OS and at least try things like old macs
@allthenamesrtook
@allthenamesrtook 2 ай бұрын
@killerhakie whilst the model may be the same from a certain perspective, there will be actual differences from a technical standpoint internally. It's also likely apple have serialised the parts, meaning if serial numbers do not match for certain components, it will not boot or work. They even do this with their airpods max ear cups... it's stupid and anticonsumer
@demoman1596sh
@demoman1596sh Ай бұрын
@@killerhakie Just because Apple uses the same model number does not imply that there aren't sometimes significant differences inside different machines. For example, Apple used the same model number A1286 for all of its non-Retina 15-inch MacBook Pro models from 2009 through 2012. Yet, in many cases these machines have incompatible logic boards, graphics chips, display assemblies, and so forth.
@albertstratulat
@albertstratulat 17 күн бұрын
@@allthenamesrtook Yep. If you try to change a single chip on the motherboard, it will only stay at 5V instead of 20V and will not boot up. If you tried once to change anything, it will remain like this, even if you try to replace the new chip with the original, functional one, it will not want to boot anymore. Sometimes I get the feeling that we might be smart, but not smarter than Apple.
@noahrosenheck9250
@noahrosenheck9250 2 жыл бұрын
next test: swap the logic boards for two identical m1's and two identical m2's (m1 to m1 and m2 to m2). see if there are hardware locks on the other components
@user_ao625
@user_ao625 2 жыл бұрын
Was just going to suggest that.👍
@Xaltar_
@Xaltar_ 2 жыл бұрын
I am pretty much 100% there will be lockouts.
@ultrasoundconcept
@ultrasoundconcept 2 жыл бұрын
That'd be nice to see.
@Miguel-fm8xh
@Miguel-fm8xh 2 жыл бұрын
There are two actually. 1. TouchID 2. TrueTone
@arturoehr
@arturoehr 2 жыл бұрын
@@Miguel-fm8xh didn’t know they had software locks just like iPhones
@MikeLikesChannel
@MikeLikesChannel Ай бұрын
Former Apple employee here. iBoot does a simple checksum against the hardware and everything has to match. The M1 SOC knows itself and what technology it's expected to meet,, and it basically wants to make sure the top case/battery/associated electronics say "yes in fact, we also are designed for you -- we have the same number card that matches." This has lots to do with the security of TouchID/Secure Enclave as well -- but mostly it's also for battery safety, to prevent thermal runaways and a smoky MacBook 😉 ... the M2 has a slightly different battery than the M1. One of the first things we teach Apple Store Geniuses.
@moji3812
@moji3812 26 күн бұрын
Damn ok
@JuliDC7xz
@JuliDC7xz 8 күн бұрын
Ok so in theory, If I got myself an M1 battery to replace my M2 faulty one... it won´t work?
@MikeLikesChannel
@MikeLikesChannel 8 күн бұрын
@@JuliDC7xz Correct, it should not work.
@shenlong7890
@shenlong7890 5 күн бұрын
hey i wanted an advice from you, how much do you expect the m1 macbook air to receive updates. Just an idea cuz you might know how they work. Thanks for reading the comment.😄
@MikeLikesChannel
@MikeLikesChannel 5 күн бұрын
@@shenlong7890 Apple usually supports the hardware for approx 5 years after the discontinuation of sale (refurbs don’t count) and the software a bit longer still, somewhere up to 6-8 years. I’d assume the M1 models see updates through 2027.
@thomaschirila6372
@thomaschirila6372 Жыл бұрын
To anyone who doesn't know: ZIF = zero insertion force. This means that the connector doesn't need to be forced into the slot at all to be seated. These are usually accompanied by some sort of lever to clip down onto the ribbon cable.
@GS12.3D
@GS12.3D 10 ай бұрын
Like AMD processors or old laptops, or epromm flashing devices
@chinamobilemag
@chinamobilemag 2 жыл бұрын
The M2 changed the way keyboard and trackpad are connected (used to be SPI on the M1). Most likely this is the reason it refuses to boot up in the M1 chassis.
@kuroyukihime1
@kuroyukihime1 2 жыл бұрын
This is fake
@cristibaluta
@cristibaluta 2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't make sense to continue to boot? You can use an external keyboard
@chinamobilemag
@chinamobilemag 2 жыл бұрын
@@cristibaluta Luke broke something else apparently. iFixit did try the same and they managed to get the M2 logic board booting inside the M1 chassis. Trackpad and Keyboard did not work, of course.
@BilisNegra
@BilisNegra 2 жыл бұрын
@@chinamobilemag Broke what? The two machines are OK again after being reassembled with their proper boards.
@user-xr5vr2uq6v
@user-xr5vr2uq6v 2 жыл бұрын
@@BilisNegra When I took my Intel MBP apart it wouldn't boot without the bottom case screws in. I know, weirdest thing, but it's true. Bottom case on without screws, wouldn't boot. Put screws in, everything works just fine.
@TheSleepyCraftsman
@TheSleepyCraftsman 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, let's see how hard Apple made this. 😏🍿
@TheSleepyCraftsman
@TheSleepyCraftsman 2 жыл бұрын
Seems like Apple is really going out of their way to prevent anyone from using broken machines for spare parts.
@OwO-meow-UwU
@OwO-meow-UwU 2 жыл бұрын
guess this is the most upgrade part on new MacBook Pro
@garycard1826
@garycard1826 2 жыл бұрын
Luke, as an Electronics Engineer (who has performed many maintenance tasks and upgrades on computers over the years) I have to say, you’re crazy; but in a good way! Great video, I hope you get lots of hits for your considerable efforts.
@arifuddin2172
@arifuddin2172 2 жыл бұрын
Yep
@NicVandEmZ
@NicVandEmZ 2 жыл бұрын
It’s track pad at fault here m2 trackpad is different than m1 trackpad keyboard is still same try this again and just swap the trackpad
@Qwerty8
@Qwerty8 4 ай бұрын
No, because it’s not a new MacBook with m cpu - he opened old ones and no one saw it? How about the pro people around? 😂🎉🎉
@yaacheese8643
@yaacheese8643 3 ай бұрын
How does an engineer go from theory of math, physics, circuits, electronics, signals, controls, communications, etc. To performing maintenance? Seems like you wasted to your 4 year degree.
@arctan2010
@arctan2010 2 жыл бұрын
I see the problem: the case color doesn’t match making them incompatible!🤓
@renerebe
@renerebe Жыл бұрын
nice anti repair move Apple.
@yrmuq
@yrmuq 2 ай бұрын
Anti modification mb?)
@jjb0894
@jjb0894 29 күн бұрын
What specifically are you referring to? Because I think you’re just saying stuff.
@Megabean
@Megabean 2 жыл бұрын
I just imagined an alternative universe where Apple offered upgrades, like say you can get your M1 Macbook upgraded to M2 for 500$ but when they introduce major feature revisions you have to do the full upgrade. Because as it stands most people will keep their Mac through maybe 2-4 model iterations before upgrading. The old boards could be refurbished or put into repaired laptops. That could actually be a way to capture a bit of revenue from users who won't spend 1200$+ for the next version. It's a win win
@austin2150
@austin2150 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely a good idea
@maharaj8460
@maharaj8460 2 жыл бұрын
Who cares, just stop buying apple products and buy company's which does offer upgrades
@Megabean
@Megabean 2 жыл бұрын
@@maharaj8460 How about we not be fascists who tell other people what to do. ^_^
@Sharan25
@Sharan25 2 жыл бұрын
The ram is already soldered to board so why not allow to upgrade the cpu and the ram
@stever1514
@stever1514 2 жыл бұрын
Processor upgrades like that existed in the PowerPC era but they were never that profitable even for 3rd parties that offered them. A couple of companies went out of business and Sonnet just barely hung on.
@blackwolfmclovin
@blackwolfmclovin 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe voltage and ampere of the battery are different. Or the capacitors are different. The M2 has a slightly higher watt consumption with consistent battery lifetime to the m1
@artisanwolf2068
@artisanwolf2068 2 жыл бұрын
It's either a hardware lock or a power issue. The power consumption between the M1 and M2 chips are different so the batteries are going to be designed differently to handle the different loads. It would be interesting to see if that is actually the case
@aname-kg3cb
@aname-kg3cb Ай бұрын
nah apple definitely coded something strange into their software
@dougienuggie
@dougienuggie 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like Luke has gotten much more comfortable with being on camera over the years. i see much more of his personality in this video than I would have seen in a video from three years ago. i love watching the channel grow :)
@halami2149
@halami2149 2 жыл бұрын
Why because he cursed in the middle lol
@aliozanerbektas
@aliozanerbektas Жыл бұрын
Me thinking you're actually gonna swap the M1 and M2 chips... Stupid me...
@sanskarbiswal5234
@sanskarbiswal5234 2 жыл бұрын
One possible cause may be that the displays might need different firmware drivers and when you swap out the boards, it is likely that the boards detect an incorrect hardware conf for which it has no firmware and fails to boot
@jupiter4264
@jupiter4264 2 жыл бұрын
Try upgrading an intel macbook to m1
@Me_karam8790
@Me_karam8790 2 ай бұрын
There is nothing called intel macbook
@IronSquadz
@IronSquadz 2 ай бұрын
@@Me_karam8790 2019 macbook pro has an intel core i7, hence the name "intel macbook"
@venomplayzs4674
@venomplayzs4674 2 ай бұрын
@@Me_karam8790wudm actually there is alought of Intel Mac books
@Me_karam8790
@Me_karam8790 2 ай бұрын
@@venomplayzs4674 still there is nothing called intel MacBook yes it has a i9 but it is called a MacBook without intel
@yrmuq
@yrmuq 2 ай бұрын
​@@Me_karam8790 don't be so f stupid, he didn't say "intel MacBook" as a model name, he just said intel MacBook, meaning MacBook with Intel processor
@game.different
@game.different 2 жыл бұрын
Can I swap my brain for an M2?
@samk4251
@samk4251 3 ай бұрын
😭
@michawilke
@michawilke 2 ай бұрын
Try it!
@Coffeeboi
@Coffeeboi 6 күн бұрын
Oh nah dawg
@danandrei96
@danandrei96 2 жыл бұрын
that's really weird. I haven't gotten my hands on any m2 machines yet but with the m1 you can get a bare logic board to boot with nothing but the charger plugged in (you can confirm it booted based on the current draw using a usb-c power meter). So you could've started disconnecting things from the board until it would boot. I agree it's most likely the keyboard/trackpad that was the issue, although I also wouldn't be surprised if they did something funny with the battery. Fantastic video and great idea overall, would love a follow-up where you try to find out the culprit
@ThatOneGuyGreggers
@ThatOneGuyGreggers 2 жыл бұрын
on iPhones they do tie the battery to the logic board with a battery serial number. if you don't go through an authorized apple repair you would loose the battery health monitoring features. Probably something similar.
@danandrei96
@danandrei96 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThatOneGuyGreggers thankfully so far I haven't seen any issues with battery replacement even on newer macbooks. my theory was more that they might've made some small unnecessary change to the battery and therefore given it a new part number, which the other board won't recognize and will therefore refuse to boot. Either way, I wouldn't be too surprised if it's just more Apple serialization BS as usual
@imdyinginside1919
@imdyinginside1919 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThatOneGuyGreggers u can program it but the message still on i think
@skuylerlobo
@skuylerlobo Ай бұрын
11:50 for your answer
@CaspianYuichiro
@CaspianYuichiro Жыл бұрын
Mutiple componets have their own ids, and i believe the massive amounts of differnt ids may have prevented it from booting too. (Display id, battery, etc.)
@maklogetrich2378
@maklogetrich2378 Жыл бұрын
when I see the title, I'm imagining a swap arm processor from M2 to M1 board, but yeah, just swap the logic board
@RederieJosh
@RederieJosh 2 жыл бұрын
It’s funny how Luke is being a little more sassy than ever 🤣
@IBaitman
@IBaitman 2 жыл бұрын
Did you place the screws back in before booting? Cause some laptops use screws to complete the circuits in logic board. Also other companies make sure their logic board works only with the original chassis. How? idk. I could very easily find out if i had such devices to play around with and time. I completely love disassembling laptops much more than desktops. Great work.
@geekjit215
@geekjit215 2 жыл бұрын
Could it be the display's plug pinouts are different which somehow causes a short and prevents the machine to power on?
@jessixox
@jessixox Жыл бұрын
Fyi there could be a voltage difference between the circuits in the m2 chip that could require either less or more power. The total reason could be the supply of voltage going to the main power board causing a voltage miscommunication that interferes with initializing the new m2 board. In addition there would be several components that are not compatible with the board just like any other laptop. Yes it may be apple but they want you to buy a new laptop instead of fixing your broken or current one. Usually when the system boots it does a system check to see if any components are compromised then boots once validation is complete. But if you didnt here the fans spin on startup thats because there is a voltage issue.
@LKBRICKS1993
@LKBRICKS1993 2 жыл бұрын
Great video so interesting and fun to watch. I remember old laptops when you could replace almost everything.
@harshkalbhor4653
@harshkalbhor4653 2 жыл бұрын
U can also do that now just not with apple things cuz u know
@MrBaskins2010
@MrBaskins2010 2 жыл бұрын
that motor roaring when you said shut up at 5mins in, perfecto.
@guilhermecervo3931
@guilhermecervo3931 2 жыл бұрын
Ex-Genius here. 1. The screw you removed from the heat sink we call it "super screw" 2. The swap didn't work because you don't have access to System Configurator (not to be confused with Apple Configurator). System Configurator is only available through AST2 and must be run on all post 2018 macs that had the MLB replaced.
@lonnygallant827
@lonnygallant827 2 жыл бұрын
No T2 chip on M1 or M2
@Wilbur-em1hw
@Wilbur-em1hw 2 жыл бұрын
Wait. So you are no longer a Genius. How does that work??. Like how do you go from Genius to dumb??
@guilhermecervo3931
@guilhermecervo3931 2 жыл бұрын
@@lonnygallant827 Thanks for the correction. I meant to say all post 2018 macs
@guilhermecervo3931
@guilhermecervo3931 2 жыл бұрын
@@Wilbur-em1hw Hahahahaha
@RedVRCC
@RedVRCC 4 ай бұрын
So this actually could have worked if it wasn't for Apple's dickheadery in allowing user upgradability?
@quikmath8071
@quikmath8071 2 жыл бұрын
Me: Tim (Cook), what's the point of MBP13 with only chip upgrade? Tim: The new models are more Luke Miani-proof. Luke: cracking his knuckles.
@CED.Dweller
@CED.Dweller 2 жыл бұрын
The editing is getting stronger and stronger with each new video lately. Nice work,@Luke Miani!
@GameHub-yx6hz
@GameHub-yx6hz Ай бұрын
What if there is not enough voltage to run the board
@MarcusExplainsStuff
@MarcusExplainsStuff 2 жыл бұрын
This video was awesome. I loved the energy and genuine shock when the M2 board didn't boot. There are a few minor component differences and I am sure it was something with initial BIOS load validation or some such nonsense. Either way, extremely entertaining, cheers.
@samgod
@samgod 2 жыл бұрын
BIOS is specific to non-Apple Intel computers. Macs, including Intel Macs, have never used BIOS.
@oberon2230
@oberon2230 2 жыл бұрын
The M series as well as iOS Devices are serialized, meaning there is a gatekeeper within the computer that is loaded with a random group of serials, if one is missing and a new one is installed, it won't work. Same as what happened to the iphone. it's Software related. There is a dedicated chip for this.
@LeeStewart
@LeeStewart 2 жыл бұрын
Finally a girlfriend appears from the cracks in the walls! The 'Luke Miani is probably gay' rumours are finally over. Love your videos Luke! 👍
@DefactoRath
@DefactoRath 3 ай бұрын
The problem is the serial number check on boot. Every single part has a serial number where is coded on the board. You can only change the component Serial numbers or a Apple Technician must be configuring in the Repair Tool Website from Apple.
@LegoTechnicsRule
@LegoTechnicsRule Жыл бұрын
What were you expecting? It’s Apple.
@GoodGuy77901
@GoodGuy77901 2 ай бұрын
and its new tech with new tech needed for that to power
@rxdmac
@rxdmac 2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps a iFix it tear down will answer your questions as too why the switch didn’t work!
@mau9175
@mau9175 2 жыл бұрын
iFixt tried this and failed too
@jockosboy17
@jockosboy17 Жыл бұрын
Isn't every component on a modern Mac serialized? My guess the board detected that the generations were not matching up.
@nodirbeksharipov458
@nodirbeksharipov458 2 жыл бұрын
After reassembly, you need to try plugging the charger in. I did cleanup of my macbook and once reassembled, it didn’t boot up until the power cable is connected
@pizzel
@pizzel 2 жыл бұрын
had the same thought
@TechTipsUSA
@TechTipsUSA 2 жыл бұрын
Next video: making a m2 12 inch MacBook!
@Ceedee9
@Ceedee9 3 ай бұрын
Most likely due to the software on each board is set to the serialized hardware and when you try to boot it doesn’t recognize the hardware so no boot
@michaelbuck8884
@michaelbuck8884 2 жыл бұрын
It’s confusing yes but at the same time it’s a simple answer. Apple made their boards to only work with the certain chasis. They did this on purpose just like their phones. This is another example of Apple not accepting right to repair.
@Jake-ix1od
@Jake-ix1od 2 жыл бұрын
I used to work at a UBreakiFix. Every damaged apple device we’ve received, during my presence at least; were brought in due owner neglect and/or the user consecutively depleting the battery to 0% between charge cycles. Withholding battery replacements, I think right to repair is becoming blown out of proportion, maybe even to a Marxist degree. I’ve made an iPhone 6s last for nearly 4 years without it needing repairs. I brought it to Apple for a battery replacement and the tech was shocked by its near mint condition, telling me “we don’t get devices like this.” BUT STILL, God forbid a little personal responsibility…
@dregenius
@dregenius 2 жыл бұрын
Right.... in the same way that Intel doesn't accept right to repair because they changed the socket on their 12th gen. I'm not saying Apple loves right to repair... but being able to swap major components from a significantly changed or revised version of a product, that happens to be in the same model line, into an older one is *not* an indication of such, it just isn't.
@Jake-ix1od
@Jake-ix1od 2 жыл бұрын
@@dregenius Socket types will evolve, for example; due to the differing GPIO layout of the next generation chip. And assuming, you're referring to desktop chips, those are typically user accessible. I don't think succeeding intel socket types are a good example of undermining right to repair.
@prayagsuthar9856
@prayagsuthar9856 2 жыл бұрын
​@@Jake-ix1od Yay, a new perspective! 👏🏼 I still wish that they would at least let people do something as simple as _upgrading RAM/storage_ on a whole chonkin' laptop, but that's the limit. Hearing your statement, I do agree that sometimes Right to Repair is exaggerated by a lot of people, to the point that it's become a mere buzzword 😓
@Jake-ix1od
@Jake-ix1od 2 жыл бұрын
​@@prayagsuthar9856 Apple plays to their benefit here; Integrating everything reduces manufacturing costs and they'd rather get the money first hand for increased ram/storage. I don't think this approach is that unreasonable. 30 years ago, computers in general were atrociously more expensive when considering inflation. Despite those early computers typically being user upgradable and easily repairable, I don't think they usually reached a level of reliability or a useful life expectancy anywhere near that of what our modern computers can reach. Apple clearly isn't concerned with providing us the capability to increase the usefulness of their machines down the road. However I do think Apple is concerned with providing us long term reliability. That said; just because a computer is reliable doesn't mean it's useful, but at least it wasn't designed to fail. I'm willing to be wrong but that's how I think I understand this shit so far.
@gamingsandbox5483
@gamingsandbox5483 2 жыл бұрын
Why are you not plugging it in to power. Mine will never post without power adapter even though the battery is full. For the fist power on only, then the batt will work fine.
@BackpackandGear
@BackpackandGear 2 жыл бұрын
It looks like Apple has gone to tremendous lengths to make sure people can't just swap parts in these computers making people have to buy a new machine if a part fails or to have Apple fix it for a charge if out of warranty!
@imho4990
@imho4990 2 жыл бұрын
Your problem is, you want the thief to have your hardware. Now it doesn't make sense to steal a Mac or iPhone. Even to replace parts and that is great news.
@AlphauraXIncNewYork
@AlphauraXIncNewYork Жыл бұрын
do not connect the lcd screen cable. Connect to an external monitor. display output pin is re-programmed, which could short one of the power rail.
@WarriorsPhoto
@WarriorsPhoto 2 жыл бұрын
Luke, that was really weird. I wonder what Apple did to lock down the boards?
@CarlosGarcia-yg9je
@CarlosGarcia-yg9je Жыл бұрын
"Miami Luke" knows Apple products better than most Apple engineers....
@bmrpeal
@bmrpeal Жыл бұрын
You need to swipe the T2 chip, which stores the unique signature of the whole system in the "secure enclave", not the touch id button alone.
@johnlowellbejasa6510
@johnlowellbejasa6510 Жыл бұрын
there is no more T2 chips in Apple Silicon macs, the secure enclave is now built into the M2/M1 chip itself
@sonofaglitch
@sonofaglitch 8 күн бұрын
Tim Cook CEO of Apple here - "muahhahahahah"
@magicmanchloe
@magicmanchloe 2 жыл бұрын
Try swapping the battery’s as well. Apple serialized the batteries in their phones. It probably won’t work without the proper battery. Test it by unplugging the battery and connecting power to see if it turns on.
@calorion
@calorion 6 ай бұрын
Actually there's a very good reason why someone might want to do this: They can find an M2 MBA with a broken screen to cannibalize the logic board from.
@johnmeyer457
@johnmeyer457 2 жыл бұрын
Me suffering and worrying for fear of breaking the RAM clips in my dad’s 2011 ASUS and this guy opening and playing around with two laptops worth several thousands each 😂
@StellarAudyssey
@StellarAudyssey Жыл бұрын
The BIOS would lock to a particular chassis, or it's a components mismatch that is preventing the start-up.
@MooseBeCanadian
@MooseBeCanadian 2 жыл бұрын
No one, not a single soul Luke’s brain “I wonder if I can put an M2 chip in the M1 pro”
@hyun-shik7327
@hyun-shik7327 Жыл бұрын
Learning that it doesn't work is also really valuable. 10 years from now there will be a Computer-Clan type channel that complains about this.
@baconfister
@baconfister 2 жыл бұрын
Luke seems more animated than usual in this video. I can only come to the conclusion he was hitting his sponsor’s sauce before recording. 🍸
@RockChampEnglish
@RockChampEnglish 9 ай бұрын
5:00 lol that's the Ricky Gervais's way to say fxck off lol
@shellcode
@shellcode 2 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised it didn’t work considering that nearly the entire computer is on that logic board. Also if Apple were to offer an “upgrade” logic board it would still be very expensive since all of the core components are within that single board. It’s more like replacing the computer than “upgrading”.
@morgan0
@morgan0 2 жыл бұрын
i wonder if it’s possible to replace soldered on components in the last few intel macs with components that were offered, like switching from 4GB vram to 8GB, or a different gpu model that was used, etc. would it recognize it and work or are they hardwired to a particular configuration. and what about interface compatible but out of the offered range parts, like 16GB vram or a different cpu generation
@raduciopraga2752
@raduciopraga2752 2 жыл бұрын
I'm curious if you can add another 256 Gb module in the empty space and upgrade it to a 512 Gb. Would it be possible? maybe get it from another dead MacBook Pro.
@W1ldTangent
@W1ldTangent 2 жыл бұрын
Would run into the same problem various experimenters did with trying to swap the flash chip modules on the Mac Studio. Without reprogramming the controller itself with the parameters of the new storage layout, it will not function at all, or at best you'd still only be access the original amount of flash.
@martinmajewski
@martinmajewski 2 жыл бұрын
Any battery differences? Different voltage? Undervoltage?
@ucanthavemyname9802
@ucanthavemyname9802 2 жыл бұрын
There are a few parts I may guess could be the culprit: screen, battery, keyboard, trackpad, maybe even the WiFi connection via the cables. I recently swapped the motherboards of two old Dell laptops for fun and it refused to display an image because of the screen. The issue was I had to fully drain the CMOS battery and then it would boot. I have no doubt Apple found any way possible to lock down the MacBooks from being upgraded/repaired.
@japanquakeytp
@japanquakeytp Жыл бұрын
this isnt for apples gain, its called part out protection.
@vinilomelhorpresente4622
@vinilomelhorpresente4622 Күн бұрын
Maybe it don't worked because, despite having the same amount of connectors, it doesn't mean the parts are electrically the same, you were lucky that nothing was damaged
@edborowski5950
@edborowski5950 2 жыл бұрын
Loved the video Luke! It felt different than the normal video out there and I really enjoyed it.
@hyde8118
@hyde8118 2 ай бұрын
Is it possible that battery packs are providing different voltages?
@qellman
@qellman 2 жыл бұрын
The "Power-up" problem could have been then Touch Bar, since the touch bar logic is an iPhone processor that also controls Security of the MacBook Pro. Not sure...
@andre-le-bone-aparte
@andre-le-bone-aparte Жыл бұрын
Luke Miani: What happens when you try to UPGRADE an M1 MacBook to M2? Louis Rossman: LOL
@markhigginson9897
@markhigginson9897 2 жыл бұрын
It may be that some of the connection points have different pin configurations from the M1 unit to the M2 unit. It would only need to take a few differences to prevent the M2 logic board from working in the M1 unit. Also additionally, the bios microcode might not allow such a change.
@japanquakeytp
@japanquakeytp Жыл бұрын
macs dont use bios, its the fact that its a different screen, trackpad, whatever assembly that stopped it. its called part out protection so no one, even if they have the mac, they cant steal your data.
@rbc555erc
@rbc555erc 2 жыл бұрын
can you swap the screws between macbooks, aren't they hardware locked as well?
@Darthwriter
@Darthwriter 2 жыл бұрын
I'm honestly not sure why you thought this would work. I would assume Apple links most of the hardware at the most base level. Also, it is possible that there is just one little chip in the screen assembly or keyboard/trackpad or even the speakers that Apple somehow checks on boot or power and won't boot without "Seeing" said chip. But I appreciate your devotion to the attempt. Went above and beyond for sure.
@EvilTurkeySlices
@EvilTurkeySlices 2 жыл бұрын
Because it worked with older MacBooks. You could put a 2012 MacBook Pro logic board into the 2011 model.
@SunflowerFlowerEmpire
@SunflowerFlowerEmpire 10 ай бұрын
Is it possible for Apple to consider this idea in the near future, to help meet you reducedr carbon goal quicker? I've always wondered by Apple doesn't have a program for customers to return their current M1 or M2 MBPs and have Apple swap out and upgrade their existing laptop to the latest M3 chip? Rather than manufacturing millions more of the new laptop with the same M1 and M2 chassis only to house the latest M3 chip inside? It seems counter intuitive because I don't think the ratio of users returning machines through your current recycling program comes close to the rate at which you manufacture all new MBP chassis and components? The recycling program only really salvaged the aluminum correct? Now let's do M2 ro M3 16" MBP since they are even more closely similar ????? These are rhe best !!!
@ambhaiji
@ambhaiji 2 жыл бұрын
Please do the framework laptop upgrade just to show how easy it is possible for companies to actually make swappable boards.
@Nathan-jk4nr
@Nathan-jk4nr 2 жыл бұрын
Good idea
@robertdonlan8193
@robertdonlan8193 Жыл бұрын
Need to change the track pad also I have actually had a few m2 with bad touchbar. M2 topcase is too expensive, so used topcase from iCloud locked m1 found that trackpad and Touch ID both need to be changed to make this work Screen is also interchangeable may loose ambient light sensor
@jefferygrantham5582
@jefferygrantham5582 2 жыл бұрын
Did you happen to try connecting the MacBooks to an external display to verify that there was no power and not just a simple case of no video signal to the displays?
@josselincol
@josselincol 2 жыл бұрын
You’d have clickable trackpad, starting noise, lit keyboard if that worked
@lukemiani
@lukemiani 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I had it connected to apple configurator
@jeffsims7386
@jeffsims7386 2 жыл бұрын
Now try to put an M1 or M2 internals into a 2020 13" Intel MacBook Pro.
@panzerfan
@panzerfan 2 жыл бұрын
The parts are all serialized to go with a specific Mac. You ain't getting around that unless if you are creating a repair on GSX, Luke. Good luck being an authorized service provider just so that you can create a repair on that one.
@prayhe
@prayhe 2 жыл бұрын
I mean yeah apple does this with the newer iPhones but where did you find out that this is the case here aswell?
@GeorgeValkov
@GeorgeValkov 2 жыл бұрын
You should get a fan spin on the naked board. Start attaching cables until it fails. There is a problem.
@Evie0133
@Evie0133 2 жыл бұрын
Everyone else: M2 MBP IS BORING lol Luke: imma swap da boards baybee
@yagoa
@yagoa Жыл бұрын
Interesting, checking some voltages on the board would have made this more informative :)
@miguelfvega9079
@miguelfvega9079 2 жыл бұрын
M2 can consume 6W more than M1, maybe some other component checks the wattage of the logic board.
@zolee0013
@zolee0013 4 ай бұрын
Hey Luke. I've been following you for a while from the UK. I do repairs and tried the same thing in a customer's machine. It's actually possible to swap the board, but you must swap the trackpad in order to turn it on. The keyboard and other components are actually fine. I just thought to let you know. I love your videos on content. Keep up the good work.
@fyremoon
@fyremoon 2 жыл бұрын
You have to consider which devices are security locked. I know on iPhones, that means the camera is locked to the motherboard so swapping the camera stops features from working for security reasons, so if its the same in the MacBook, then changing the touch ID and motherboard won't work, you'd have to extract the camera module and swap them over too. A bit like those people that swapped their Mac Studio modules and wondered why the Studio wouldn't boot.
@TheThomasproctor
@TheThomasproctor 2 жыл бұрын
I can tell you right now it’s not for security reasons, it’s so apple stops you from replacing and repairing your own phone. Apple just loves serializing parts of the iPhone to stop independent repair. For that matter I’m 100% sure that apple made it so the device won’t boot because there is some identifier in the hardware saying it belongs to m1 (like diff voltages within the hardware or different pin outs) or some serialization denying the possibility of booting if the parts don’t quite match.
@raitis2112
@raitis2112 2 жыл бұрын
Try disasebling MB pro 16 2019. There are a lot ribon cables + like 30 screws need to be removed to remove logic board.
@turle8645
@turle8645 2 жыл бұрын
Swap individual components one at a time to see what is causing the issue
@TristonS27X
@TristonS27X 10 ай бұрын
Can you put a M2 Chip into an Intel MacBook Pro 16-inch i9.
@Frogly7
@Frogly7 2 жыл бұрын
The ssd only having 1 module instead of two makes the ssd speeds substantially slower
@PedroPauloAmorim
@PedroPauloAmorim 2 жыл бұрын
This comment makes no sense
@TechOut
@TechOut 2 жыл бұрын
@@PedroPauloAmorim Makes a lot of sense you just don't know what you're talking about. 2 drives in raid 0 will have faster speeds than 1 drive.
@VIsTheMusic
@VIsTheMusic Жыл бұрын
I love that you attempted and your viewers are smart ! I want Apple to take your M1s in and upgrade them for you for 50% off. Why are they producing more new chasis and everything, if it's just a spec pump with the M2 board? What is preventing them. What is their justification. For not taking in your M1 machines and upgrading them for a 50% or more discount, rather than destroying more of our environment????????
@georgeh6856
@georgeh6856 2 жыл бұрын
If it is a different interface on the keyboard and trackpad, you could try not plugging in the zif ribbon cables for the keyboard and trackpad. Assuming you can still plug in the power button/fingerprint reader, the computer should boot up without any keyboard and trackpad connected, although you obviously would not be able to login unless you plugged in a usb keyboard. Do not respond to impostors of this channel who reply here. They will take all of your money. Be careful.
@MIKEDOMO
@MIKEDOMO 2 жыл бұрын
A digital signature in the logic board could be possible.
@calculator2020
@calculator2020 2 жыл бұрын
For someone with a repair shop I think its a great video. Customers do usually have some crazy requests
@alu2387
@alu2387 2 жыл бұрын
Ive stopped at 00:40 . Apple made sure you cant upgrade the internal storage of the Mac Studio… no way this will work.
@misbahhammoud
@misbahhammoud 2 жыл бұрын
The question now, can you downgrade an M2 to an M1? 🤔
@ohItslaz
@ohItslaz Ай бұрын
So, the LCD needs to be paired to the logic board. Without this, there is no video..
@denvera1g1
@denvera1g1 2 жыл бұрын
I fully expect every part to be serialized, from the cameras, to the screen, and the battery, requiring a complete swap.
@petermcilroy1176
@petermcilroy1176 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the battery as well
Жыл бұрын
Can you try this with the iPhone SE2/3? I guess even 5G would work because the SE2 already has the Sub6 antennas, even for 3600/4900 MHz.
@igorkutsienyo7342
@igorkutsienyo7342 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, that was a lot of work. You put in a lot of time man. Thanks for the great video. And for the other folks... don't try this at home :)
@douglasgudenkauf1952
@douglasgudenkauf1952 2 ай бұрын
Boards are setup very different in terms of components, more then 1 major difference, but still differences none the less
@mathiasfantoni2458
@mathiasfantoni2458 2 жыл бұрын
4:55 You really had me crying out loud there! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
@Capsicumh2
@Capsicumh2 3 ай бұрын
4:59 that logic board really looks like a huge kitchen knife
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