Lumberjack Nakai, Chariots Overhaul, and More! Patch 5.3 Analysis & Thoughts w/ Sotek

[@rock2k14]

"As quick as we can" 1 hour 22 minutes, yup, definitely a Sotek video.

[@nickg8100]

The dude needs time stamps.

[@DrDeath8]

I can't say I follow all your content, but I wanted to say I appreciate how passionate you are and how much you make a point of explaining the significance of new information. It's nice to be able to understand what the impact of a change is even if I haven't been keeping up with the latest news. Cheers, Sotek.

[@nakaitheonlinewanderer1553]

Have I been summoned?

[@pauls8227]

BOK!

[@pogo8050]

Nakai the elector count of Cathay

[@Heraldofnagash]

Nakai Were you searching for the sacred artifacts called "Robux"? Or are you searching for the moving portrait of "Rickaloth Rolliath"?

[@KH-nk8ry]

Need a “invite Orge Camp” diplomacy option and the ability to make Ogre factions without actual territory, but with a camp in your territory, into Vassals.

[@SpiceCh]

I don't believe an ogre warlord would ever be a vassal? Maybe if you paid *them*

[@defrte]

The research overflow is HUGE

[@nagashtheundyingking4404]

finaly i won't have to build 5 reseach buildings for it to do literally anything also steal tech will be way stronger now.

[@chipmo]

Here I am shooketh because I always assumed that was the way it worked since forever

[@SpiceCh]

​​@@chipmoi was always a bit annoyed at how useless research rate increase was until you hit a certain checkpoint. The fact that most researches take 4-8 turns to complete meant you needed 20 or sometimes as much as 30 % to even feel it.

[@jalleonothing5946]

I now forsee some nerfs might be needed due to how big a change this is.

[@SGProductions87]

If they want to take away fire while moving from gyros because of issues in multiplayer they should give Dwarfs a technology buff that allows them to get it back in campaign.

[@jessvanlaar]

This is a great idea!

[@SGProductions87]

@jessvanlaar it was a technology in the prior iteration of the tech tree

[@ReachStudioPro]

I still say no to that. It's too damn overpowered and it should never have been given to them in the first place. You may go "but it's singleplayer" but actually no. Me and my friends play multiplayer campaign and when I play alone I never want to go up against the A.I spamming them too with no way to stop them. Me and my friends are delighted about this well deserved nerf.

[@xiii0722]

You know what's funny about that? That's how it used to be, in the old(bad) tech tree before thrones of decay 😅. So, yeah, agree. Adding that back would be a a good fix for it! Heavily disagree that it's overpowered btw. Never ever been in a situation against the ai where fire while moving won me a battle, compared to when they didn't have it. In hundreds of hours of playtime.

[@SGProductions87]

@@xiii0722 there's a big thread on CA forums in general discussion about this very thing. make sure you voice your support in the thread.

[@Slie1988]

I would REALLY love if they could add a "charge bonus" buff icon so we know how long it is active for during combat visually rather than having to count ourselves. Have it on the UI where all the other buffs go on the unit card. PLEASE CA!

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

I second this notion. To this day I can hardly tell if I got a charge off or not.

[@afonsoteixeira6896]

I really want an Unusual location that gives you Ogre mercenaries like a Travelling Ogre Camp that it gives you a small penalty to control but with Ogre mercenaries at your disposal and they disappear after a few turns.

[@the_tactician9858]

They did say the current unusual locations are mostly focused on the old world, and that they'd add others later. I imagine some might come in 6.0, maybe Ogres will be part of that too

[@oxmor]

Calling it now, Dogs of War 2025

[@steffent.6477]

So the steam tank has no ranged attack at all while in melee? I think the turret is just decoration.

[@123fakestreettt]

Folk used to say there's something in the patch notes that made the trees grow tall, and come alive. Trees that could whisper, talk to each other, and even kill armored infantry.

[@beebeebees]

Always a good day at work when i can listen to these types of videos in the background

[@adrienwarad]

OGRETOBER MY LORD ! stats changes and balancing are REALLY IMPORTANT in this patch ! they do really meanigful stuff on collisions and projectiles for example !

[@erstesschwert]

@Loremaster of Sotek The changeling has in custom battle, and in visible in campaign in his forms panel for the dragons, that he should be able to use the ability Transformation of the Dragon, but for my sadness this is not the case. And even if not present, it doesn't make sense for the changeling not being able to transform to a dragon, specially since It's the freaking changeling!

[@zenonthestoic81]

I wish they would change Zhao Ming's ability to straight up let him to recruit ogre bulls and maneaters from recruitment buildings. It would make things much more interesting and hardly be overpowered. They could put unit caps in if they're really worried about all ogre armies.

[@jessvanlaar]

Man, i hate the change to gyro's.. This is one of those points where i resent the fact that multiplayer even exists. They were finally fun to use in singleplayer.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

The worst part, is this one is easily fixable. Just make it a tech.

[@FUNBadTime]

I am happy with the update. While it remains to be seen how smoothly these ogre features function in game, I am quite excited for the rest of their changes.

[@SpiceCh]

Still a little bit worried with Maad's Map about whether or not we'll be able to equip it, move and then unequip it to dodge the negative effect. Down the line, I'd like to see CA implement a movement point check for removing items, heroes etc. which grant increased movement range, like how there's a movement point check so you can't hop into idle stance after marching your full movement to dodge the battle penalties.

[@the_tactician9858]

I think that will be something fixed in a hotfix or another patch, in the meantime I can only suggest restraint in exploiting the game.

[@SpiceCh]

@the_tactician9858 i wouldn't want to exploit it myself when doing so would obviously go against the intended design, but I know for a fact many others will do it as long as it's possible. I think a lot of people are currently manually swapping movement ancillaries around every turn between all of their armies.

[@the_tactician9858]

@@SpiceCh I guess that's true... though people do find fun in breaking game mechanics in their benefit, judging by the amount of videos on cheesing the battle AI or breaking the campaign. Seeing ludicrous numbers is fun after all, even if you didn't earn them. That doesn't mean these exploits shouldn't be patched out, but as long as they don't spoil anyone else's pleasure in a way that cannot be ignored, I don't see why this should have utmost priority over things that are NOT fun.

[@SpiceCh]

​@@the_tactician9858 in fairness i never said they should fix this before fixing stuff like Feral Cold Ones still not being properly affected by techs and red skill line abilities : P

[@splunky5156]

​@SleepyFen Pretty sure that campaign movement is calculated on the end turn so the bonus only applies on the turn after you equip it. So it shouldn't be cheeseable.

[@patrickegger5842]

About time lol I've been waiting all day!!!

[@deathnotehell1]

Holy crap they finally added tech overflow. Get tech boosts always felt off when I realized this game hadn't that feature. Also love that their adding new items. Got kinda boring having 3 games of the same stuff. Hope they look into adding more unique locations with the next patch. I just love the flavor they add, even if I could do without the sexy wine every campaign. The dreamwine item is funny though. I usually give it to a lord who loses as a battle as a "pick-me up."

[@nagashtheundyingking4404]

honestly reseach overflow is a must have mod for me and the fact its just in the game is so damn amazing hope they look at more mods for more ideas honestly.

[@johnj.spurgin7037]

I can't even remember what black coaches do. I'll have to see if this "pseudo-warshrine" rework for them makes them viable.

[@steffent.6477]

Time for another Nakai run. It was fun when the game was released already.

[@strangestecho5088]

The new faction revival locations is pretty big for those of us that enjoy confederating all of a race's legendary lords. It sucked that some factions could die really early with no realistic chance for the player to save them.

[@TotalWarTherapy]

technology is a very big welcome

[@jamesc.1026]

When you were going through the list I did a double take when you said "as(p) bow"

[@Pontifex777]

I always wondered that about research. I know civilization did that. And yes, I hit the disciple army every slaneesh campaign, thinking "what units are available here"

[@BlizzardAcolyte]

49:44 poor Kihar The Tormentor

[@TheRadude]

Hopefully this means DLC trailer tomorrow or next week. Probably next week

[@IamZip]

What I dream to see in future updates is that we end up getting unique skills or tech for the factions that have thematic units that aren't native to said faction. For instance: Maneaters for Sartosa and Slaanesh units for Morathi. It would just be nice to have battle skills or tech which support the flavour units going into the later parts of the game rather than just the lvl 9 chevrons. It's a small thing but I feel like it would add much and I think it goes without saying but i'd much rather field thematic armies supported by battle skills rather than fielding thematic armies without battle skills.

[@HiddenEvilStudios]

Sartosa has access to some Ogre units right now, and there's a mod that expands on it. Now we just need Ogg Halfheart.

[@bertibenemoth5356]

Rogue Idols got nerfed not buffed, splashing their high damage on fewer entities reduces their anti infantry damage, wherefor Splash damage is meant for. Or am i wrong?

[@therasco400]

I wonder if they included War Wagons, Steam tanks and Lyminarks inthe chariot rework.

[@archaoneverchosen5110]

"Donkey!! Get outta ma swa.." oh urgh, I mean "Ogres my lord!!!"

[@kirbythewizard101]

@Sotek minotaurs got a cost increase for Khorne not decrease

[@pablonunalvares5391]

Was gonna get my chaos campaign going, now i'll wait...

[@steffent.6477]

Why nerf bretonnia? Nobody plays them or would claim they are OP.

[@RikRiorik]

I just want the next DLC. All of this is still great but the boredom is real. It won’t be helped too much by the DLC either but it’ll still be good. Just hoping it arrives at the latest in late November early December so I can play during vacay.

[@yvjlvyu]

The buffs associated with completing an Ogre Contract or a mission in general should be long term percentage based. As it stands there’s almost no amount of money that can justify diverting an army from its proper function of capturing settlements and strengthening my faction just to get a single lump sum reward that almost certainly will be less than the cost of that army. Now there’s still no guarantee doing a mission would be useful if it was a modifier but at least there’s potential that a 5% or 10% stackable modifier would be more valuable in the long run than just doing standard things with my armies even including travel time and therefore I’d have to make strategic choices about whether to pursue it

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

Agreed A lord that does a contract should, in addition to whatever else, get either a short term, massive reduction to upkeep (something like 80% to 100% for 3-5 turns), or else a permanent, smaller, and stackable reduction that maybe has an upper limit (like, 5% reduction per contract, caps at 50%, but stacks with any other upkeep reduction the Lord might have). This would mean things like, armies that do contracts regularly naturally end up having more high tier and expensive units than armies that don't, which makes sense. That's pretty much the only way a contract is worth doing if it isn't for something you're already doing. The other way would be to award units, like Greenskin WAAAGH! reward units... but this would mean making more units for the Ogres, which, while good, is a sinking ship

[@isthianlyon1706]

Holy fucking shit Sotek, they fixed movement!!! I lost count how many times I've complained and submitted how stupid and misleading that % based movement was. This and research taking the super popular mod are exactly the kinds of updates/corrections/fixes I expect if this game is ever to reach its promised potential! Another year of this effort CA and I'll have to start recommending the game again!

[@geobugseon]

I really hope they dont stop releasing new content the moment the game is finally "really good".

[@xiii0722]

True, glad this happened

[@7F0X7]

Good patch, but the update broke some mods so hard that their creators openly stated their frustration and said they give up trying to do updates until the game is fully done. And I can't even blame them, that's a hundred+ hours to fix some of those mods every single time the devs change one little thing.

[@laytonstainbrook1760]

*Me half listening to Sotek read off some of the new items* The what bow?

[@toxlequa]

I think that when someone recruits mercenaries the money should actually go to the ogres

[@phantomthunder203]

If they didnt add fire while moving for gyrocopters back to the tech tree im gonna be mad

[@calimerohnir3311]

so they haven't fixed the collision issue that prevents fliers from properly targetting the thunderbarge in melee?

[@Maple1Pirate]

It's too bad they didn't do anything for Saytang the Watcher or his Wind Bow item ability....

[@matthewlowry1084]

Dude chaos Robbie has a higher cap holy crap

[@kenfire213]

I feel so betrayed and stupid not know the tech % thing

[@Sapphire707]

Man, wtf with all the dawi nerfs? Gyro copters can't shoot and move no more? The hell?

[@steffent.6477]

MP must be crazy if they nerf feckin Bolt throwers^^

[@user-me7iw6ft8z]

25:10 they are not cheaper, they are more expensive

[@tunencio7288]

Have they fixed the "pig shriek" that you got when you level up a dwarven character? Also they nerf Bretonnia...again...now, Norsca has a challenger

[@James-mv4sl]

Guys seriously please just bring back some version of WH2 Orgre mercenaries

[@raynightshade8317]

Why no movable camps though

[@FUNBadTime]

Its not full rework time yet.

[@steffent.6477]

The tombking changes are disappointing. They are basically still identical to their release state.

[@cynicalpsycho5574]

And they still haven't fixed the visual bug where when playing dwarves half your settlements visually appear as Ork settlements hahaha it's been 2 years hahaha 😆

[@HolyG.23]

Need dark mode!

[@Honyakusha]

The sole reason I uninstalled the game after a whooping 5k hours was the atrocious AI pathfinding on siege battles. It still haunts me how my whole army ignores the broken gate and trying to use damn ladders causing a big clusterfck , even I put them in front of the open gate. It still baffles me how they couldn't managed to fix that shit. Either remove the damn ladders or make it exclusive that after a unit uses, just destroy the ladder or at least put a toggle so player can destroy it.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

Honestly, just make ladders something that needs a specific and deliberate instruction to do. Units never look for ladders, they only use them if clicked to move at the wall. ...of course this probably breaks the AI so... Uh. Just install mods that remove settlement battles entirely. They aren't worth it

[@Jason-35D]

Be’lakor still in the warriors of chaos :(

[@villefere6968]

I wish they would just remove multiplayer battles

[@BananenbaumEY]

We waited 3 months for new content and basically got a copy of what mods already did and graveguard with halberds. ... CA is really really lacking lately.

[@FUNBadTime]

This is an update, if it encorporates mods into the base game and makes the base game overall better for everyone with or without mods, that is a good thing. The unit variants are not huge additions, but they are a perfect little appetizers to give something new to a faction. They opened the floodgates with the goblins so its possible more and more missing variants will come soon, leaving the really fully new and unique units for dlcs. Wait for the Dlc trailer around next month.