LUMINETH 4th Ed: ALL LEAKS REVIEWED

Welcome to our first Lumineth review for AoS 4! Today Jonas and Siegfried scope out the Lumineth warscrolls, battle traits and spells that were leaked/spoiled during GW's showcase stream.
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[@nivalen5652]

Thank you for the review and for sharing your thoughts. There are a lot of warscrolls I'm looking forward to seeing: - the Windmage to see if he buffs the Hurakan as the Stonemage buffs the Alarith, - the Lord Regent to see if/how he interacts with the basic rules like before (more aetherquartz, better power of hysh could become 1 ou 2 extra unit to benefit from the Facet PoH or choose 1 facet even if an other facet has already been chosen).

[@strategoi]

Thanks, Niva. I'm also very curious to see the lord regent!

[@marc-andredeslauriers7687]

Mine is still unpacked, waiting to see him in V4, as i used other options in V3

[@ce4879]

Good detailed review! Very interested to see how Lumineth will handle once we see the full view of AoS4. Very curious what the standard Vanari will get since stuff like Shining Company, Sun-Metal & Wall of blades are already baked into the rules around them. Maybe they will keep a pseudo-wizard keyword ability to help them stand out?

[@strategoi]

Maybe... I don't actually think they'll get anything extra. 🫣

[@ce4879]

Very possible with how simple the Warscrolls are now. At best right now I could see a unbind but they could keep them vanilla so the Aelemental Temples are important. Will be interested how they develop between the new formations & their future battletome add-ons.

[@jordanknapp7757]

They got moonfire back that’s something

[@ce4879]

@jordanknapp7757 There’s a point. Moonflask + Shining Company + Defense Commands + Hysh Protection and any commander buffs will make their sun pikes real scary to charge. Probably their niche as a cheaper shieldwall that needs less switch around to go on the attack compared to say Stoneguard who need some spells or synergy to unlock their full potential as a moving mountain of power that can avalanche an unprepared force.

[@ce4879]

Oh on the question of favorite unit it’s definitely Windchargers. They look so fun and surprisingly bulky now. Glad I already started a Wind Temple force of them halfway into AoS3 :D Gotta hop to it!

[@strategoi]

I see what you did there 😁

[@RealKilli]

Jonas is back

[@strategoi]

Haha, love this comment ❤️❤️! My voice almost gave out at the end, but I stuck it out 🥳.

[@edumh22]

27:08 also protection of hysh goes off on an 8! That’s crazy high

[@strategoi]

Yeah, but the shrine gives rerolls to cast to the one occupying it, and with Deepthinkers we would statistically get off more often than not 🤷‍♂️ I guess that's a good enough reason to use deep thinkers every once in a while 😁

[@Crimzy2304]

So glad Shining Company lost the "models have to be touching" restriction thing. And Protection gained 3" range. Finally someone who has touched a woman before writes the rules 💪🏻. People are always going to be touchy about losing rules and abilities, but as long as every faction starts simple, its fine. They will expand the rules in new battletomes post index.

[@strategoi]

Well, with 0.5'' coherency, everyone will be touching now 😉 But yeah, I agree, happy to gain some flexibility, albeit very little

[@probyn92]

With speed of hysh also, the wording indictes that you can pick the same unit to gain +4 so if you really need you can target let’s say severith 3 times to increase 12” move

[@spekopz]

Are you sure that's what Unlimited means? I would assume you can cast the spell multiple times, but on seperate units

[@ce4879]

Likely that. This edition seems very anti-stacks

[@ninjacrabfish8829]

There seems to be nothing on the warhammer community article saying you can’t but it doesn’t mean it’s not in the full rule

[@probyn92]

@@spekopz unlimited allows multiple wizards to cast the same spell (though not the same wizard cast the same spell). It is more important that the target is just a friendly unit, not a friendly unit that has not been affected by this spell already

[@strategoi]

If that turns out to be true, that's definitely interesting!

[@theoffbeatgamer8285]

The warscrolls feel pretty nice to me. The fact that you can get 5+ wards with stoneguard away from your castle and also blade lords next to general is really nice. 20 archer blob doing 80 shots a round (both turns) possibly with power will do a lot of wounds.

[@strategoi]

Very big investment of resources though and not easy to execute properly, but yes, multiple shots on sentinels feels good. More fair than mortal wounds for sure and also pretty good against hordes, which is something we sorely lacked in previous books. Now we have plenty with the 3 shot winndchargers as well

[@lawrenceking9300]

Where's Teclis? did I miss it?

[@strategoi]

Sadly we don't have the entire index yet, only about half of it. So stay tuned for the rest of it! 🥳

[@Vortid]

So Sevireth can't be targeted with shooting outside 9. Covering fire must target the closest unit. So Sevireth at 9.5 and another unit at 10, can they target the other unit?

[@theoffbeatgamer8285]

Normally with such rules you just have to target the closest possible viable target. Deepkin have had the same thing for a long time.

[@strategoi]

That'd be disgusting... I love it.

[@Vortid]

@@theoffbeatgamer8285 Yep. We'll see, it would be pretty reasonable to fix it. It's a bit of a gotcha moment if it works like this, it comes up, and you didn't know about it. But just from reading these rules, Sevireth is visible, just can't be targeted, so would interfere wth covering fire. Maybe there's a line in the core rules that tells you what to do if the closest model must be the target but also can't be targeted.

[@Nummerschield]

Lightning Reactions works for Allies again?

[@strategoi]

I'm pretty sure they'll include something in the Allies rules about not being able to use faction abilities, so I wouldn't get your hopes up 😬

[@ryanburruss]

And we’ve heard nothing about Allies except that apparently Regiments of Renown are still in the game. But fingers crossed we get to creatively mix and match at least a little…

[@John.mm93]

How can they shoot and then move

[@strategoi]

The windchargers have a battle trait that allows them to move in your shooting phase. After they've used that, they can no longer shoot, but they can do it before that.

[@Strade8]

I don't think units will cost much more than now, In the broadcasted game they probably played a 1600 points match.

[@strategoi]

They did confirm it was 2k lists though 🤔

[@Strade8]

@@strategoi There are 3 points that let me believe it wasn't. 1) From a market prospective I don't understand why they should make you buy less miniature to play. 2) Rework completely the points of all units sound kind of a massive work to do. 3) Is strange to lower the model counts on the standard AOS while you release. That said it could be.. I am sed to play smaller games than before but let's see.

[@strategoi]

@@Strade8 We'll have to wait and see, I guess. From the video I took away it was a 2k game, but I might be wrong. I understand your reasoning behind number 1, but you could also pretty easily reverse that. With Spearhead, people will be inclined to buy a starter box. If you need less units for a full army, they might be more easily encouraged to expand their spearhead box to a full army. Also: they've decreased game sizes before, more often than not for the good of the game. Most players are interested in multiple factions anyway, so allowing smaller games opens up the gates to gathering more armies. So that could also be a way to think about it. Either way, I'm curious to see how it turns out! :)

[@John.mm93]

@@Strade8they said multiple times it’s two armies at 2000 points. They just increase the prices my friend. People pay the same for 2000 points but get less models. Also it speeds up the game and makes up for the free manifestation which would be roughly 150 200 points.

[@Strade8]

@@John.mm93 i will have hope till they release.. and than i will play 3000 points games XD

[@piotrjeske4599]

I hope an army without any non elves is going to be powerful and fun. Adding beastman to a good elves faction was a huge mistake.

[@strategoi]

I really like the beastlike elementals, but I can definitely understand not enjoying them. I imagine pure Vanari with some scinari will still be very potent. Not sure about just throwing in some Stoneguard in such a mix though, but who knows.

[@sheaparkersp]

One spell lore per army really sucks

[@strategoi]

Tzeentch is apparently an exception, so now I'm holding out hope that we get a second or third 🫣

[@CartoreAOS]

It is really hard for me to not go full doomer when they nerf our army so heavily in what it has going for it. Simplifying the game so much for a veteran player just feels awful.

[@Adamantos-Elean]

Yeah sadly unless you proxy age of sigmar models and play the old world games workshop has made both of its other games a dumbed down mess.

[@strategoi]

I feel ya. I think Lumineth players will share your feelings more often than not, as the complex rule set was one of the biggest appeals of playing Lumineth. That being said, I do feel like there's still a bunch layered decisions to be made, maybe even more than before. Most of them happen in your opponents turn now, so you'll have to keep their options in mind while going through your own turn. In that regard I welcome a simplified set of warscrolls.

[@Chalky62]

Love takes like this before a game even launches 😂

[@philskade9537]

Legit will find this comment under every faction video for every new edition of any Warhammer game since the creation of KZbin. Embrace the chaos and the variation, the game will still be good.

[@Adamantos-Elean]

@@philskade9537 "good"