Hynix A-Die is The BEST DDR5 - Overclocking to 8600MHz+ on EVGA Z790 DARK KINGPIN

So SK Hynix A-die is one of the newest yet relatively unknown DDR5 Memory ICs that have come out to the market. The biggest difference is that it can reach much higher memory frequencies both on Z690 and Z790 platforms compared to the previous memory chip models. Especially on Z690 the difference can be almost 1000MT/s on ambient cooling. The hardest part about getting these memories is that they are still mostly available only from China and many of the more notable memory vendors aren't still offering this new memory IC type widely on the market but it will change soon.
The A-die is pretty similar to the previous M-die in terms of latencies. My best latency table was 35-48-48 to 38-50-50 with daily safe memory voltages at these 8000+ MT/s frequencies. You obviously get the best result when using a 2 Slot motherboard as always, and the motherboard models do vary a lot for the maximum voltage as well as not all of the PMIC brands can be hacked as easily for higher voltages than 1.435v. As far as I know, ASUS, ASRock, EVGA and MSI can go beyond that limit with all PMIC brands, but Gigabyte is stuck to only Richtech and Anpec. Seems that Gigabyte is struggling to get over it with Renesas and MPS but this information was from Hi Cookie.
On the video I managed to pass Geekbench 3 up to DDR5-8650+ with CL34-48-48-38 2T and AIDA64 Memory test up to DDR-8600 with similar timing table with mind-blowing bandwidth and latency numbers. Overall, I think this new memory type is an excellent addition to the newest platforms from Intel, as the highlight will definitely lean more towards memory now as the newest CPUs are already set to the max at the factory.
Hardware used:
Intel Core i9 13900K
EVGA Z790 DARK KINGPIN
2x16GB Hynix 5600 CL46 A-Die DDR5 Memory
Super Flower Leadex 8Pack 2000W Platinum
Galax Geforce 710 GT
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[@mortifyedpenguin]

Nice to see those results. Can't wait to see double sided kits in the future.

[@OVERKILL_PINBALL]

I always look forward to your videos. Thank you for taking the time to share your skills with the world.

[@lexkoal8657]

Incredible results really!

[@toonnut1]

Massive thumbs-up from me! Thanks for sharing!

[@mbwh1582]

Damn that's impressive I'm going to go save up for this stuff now hehe

[@TheDeepsilver]

Awesome stuff! It would be great to see a general video about 13th gen Overclocking on the Evga Z690/790 that perhaps also looks at water and daily use scenarios.

[@LuumiJuhani]

Check my previous video from this one.

[@jgvtc559]

@@LuumiJuhani how much is this mobo

[@AlexanderDinebier]

@@jgvtc559 700US$ in America atm. A shame it's not available in europe and support was not able to tell me when they're planning to sell it over here. I'm planning to combine one of these with a delidded 13900k @ 6GHz, 64GB Hynix RAM (7000MHz+), Samsung 990 Pro 2TB M.2 and at least RTX4090, if there's no faster card available at that time. Case with PSU, DAC, hotswap drives and custom loop are already waiting for the rest. :) EKWB just released a cooler for delidded LGA1700 CPUs, which will be perfect for that project.

[@GhazUK]

@@AlexanderDinebier - Literally KEK at this comment :D

[@AlexanderDinebier]

@@GhazUK What's funny about it? Ok, i figured it will not be possible to run them at over 7000MT/s, but it's really what i planned to build. But since that board still is not available in europe, it will be an Asus Z790 Extreme instead. Got myself a used, watercooled RTX3090 Strix a few days ago, since the rest of the system will be really expensive. Has to do it til RTX5000 series is available. If i had unlimited money i would wait for W9-3495X to be released and build a system based on that, but around 7.000€ already is expensive enough for my taste.

[@bubba966]

I've got a Z690 Classified that I've yet to get the RAM for. So will have to look out for A-Die kits it seems

[@sabishiihito]

G.Skill is currently putting A-die in kits that were formerly M-die, like 6400 and 6600, FYI. If you are able to examine the package before purchase, look at the alphanumeric string right above the barcode. If it ends in 20M, it's M-die but if it ends in 20A, it's A-die. I have two kits of 6600, the older one is M but the one I just got a week ago is A.

[@Mcvalverte]

Is it possible to know with other brands like Corsair?

[@vintologi]

I may have gotten A-die when buying 2x32, not a good match for raptor lzke unfortunatily.

[@ComputersAre8ad]

Giving this a try! Picked up a 6400 kit that says 20A. I'll report back once I have a bit to get the new PC setup and running.

[@ben61753]

I JUST GOT A 6400 KIT WITH HYNIX A DIE !!!! I GOT HYNIX A DIE FOR 200 BUCKS! I'm so excited to mess with this thing!

[@sabishiihito]

@@Mcvalverte With Corsair, just look at the version number on the stickers on the modules M die = Ver5.43.13 A die = Ver5.43.01

[@Patrick73787]

Very good results. I'm very curious to see what's the max memory speed achievable with 4 sticks between Z690 and Z790.

[@el_manosanta]

The best!

[@jedimaster1541]

Just got a set of Gskill-7600 - 20A code Die from NewEgg good deal Black Friday sale also shows production date Nov-22 .

[@ruff0r]

@Luumi can you give us a link to the kit you bought please ?

[@_GIDO]

GREAT JOB and VIDEO!! what are your thoughts about EVGA Z790 DARK KINGPIN vs other Z790 mb??

[@LuumiJuhani]

Well at least every single PMIC goes above 1.435v so no need to worry which memory kit to get.

[@mapscorp]

Holy

[@N0N0111]

8:44 I hope you will make another video that is DDR5-9300 on air :D

[@ariellorenzo2343]

@LuumiJuhani Any difference in OC with bios version 0.00 over any regular bios? Most of the time I see highest Mem OC is bios version 0.00. How to get that Bios ?

[@asbregafio8891]

hi, which controller manufacturer do you think is the safest and has a history that proves its reliability? Between Kioxia, WD, SK Hynix, Silicon Motion, InnoGrit and Phison?

[@THANHNGUYEN-uq8zk]

Do u have a special bios for z690 dark? Difficult to get stable at 8000+ on z690

[@kamilmichon8061]

how can i know which are a-dies ? example corsair CMK32GX5M2X7000C34 ?

[@sunnykfc]

Looking for cheapest A-die ddr5, which one?

[@ciopl4892]

My OEM green is set into OC profiles 8000 Luumi, TM5 continues to report error 0, and I can't adjust it according to the previous Z790apex settings.

[@AndreyLepher]

dude i just got 2x32G Cl36 Sk Hynix Adie 8000Mts wich oc you think i can achieve on Z790 ??

[@foxmino]

What is normal idle temperature for Sk Hynix A die memory?

[@joshuaeah]

I mean, there's only really three memory makers. Hynix has been very performant with everything thus far

[@beetwing]

Nice job. Can I kmow where to buy please?

[@Toyeboy89]

Did you happen to bench it in CPUz?

[@Boogeymanjw]

gskill and other vendors have already released ADIE based memory kits.

[@LuumiJuhani]

I haven't seen certain models listed here. I do know of the DDR5-7800 with A-Die.

[@TechDoneRight1]

@@LuumiJuhani Are you talking about the unreleased kit from G Skill?

[@lizardpeter]

Which ones?

[@starofeden9277]

wow

[@Reedz123]

What do you guys think is better at pushing RAM to it's limits? Dark Kingpin or Asus Apex z790 boards? Apex seems to be advertising faster RAM speeds?

[@mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm3153]

What about Aorus Z790 Xtreme? Do you think that this mobo is at the same level as the 2 mentioned?

[@vencler]

Does 2x16gb make any difference as opposed to 2x32gb when it comes to DDR5 and such high megatransfers and low latencies? Can the IMC handle them similarly?

[@LuumiJuhani]

In theory dual rank should be better performing but it hasn't been tested well enough on DDR5.

[@sheddz6667]

any link for that hynix a die on ali? i dont find it

[@craigrushworth3955]

Coming from ddr4 am picking a z690 hero up and am looking for a good DDR5 a-die kit dual rank can anyone recommend me any?

[@trc7343]

Hey Luumi, will the Z690/790 EVGA Classified be able to do 8000MHz+ like on the EVGA DARK KINGPIN board or nah?

[@LuumiJuhani]

I highly doubt it because 2 slot design is key for very high memory frequency.

[@dvr1337]

can all board do quad channel now with ddr5?

[@dr.lordidaumen]

And where is the Link for it ? Great Job Luumi

[@theodanielwollff]

curious about the CPU voltages. What did you set SA,VDD2 and VDDQ_TX voltages when going for 8600?

[@mild3510]

😮

[@LuumiJuhani]

System Agent Auto or 1.3-1.45v. VDDQ always at 1.26v or 1.23-1.35v. VDD2 is the same as memory voltage if you leave it at Auto.

[@theodanielwollff]

@@LuumiJuhani Appreciate it! I can't get passed DDR5-7000 on the Z690 AQUA OC (setting voltages or leaving it on auto), but DDR5-8000 on the GB Z790 Elite AX. Same CPU, Same RAM. Maybe mine is just bunk? GB Z690 Tachyon can do DDR5-7600....

[@markonovak9107]

@@theodanielwollff Can you please write your settings for 8000 on Z790 (what have you changed from stock)?

[@secretjuice6725]

I bought g.skilll 6000 CL30 expo kit and it's A-die

[@GhazUK]

Yup, same here :D

[@Hldv12]

if anyone can help me find Hynix A-die before I buy

[@Franseven]

is there any site resources like there was for samsung b die? how can i find models with a-die? thanks

[@LuumiJuhani]

Trident Z5 7600 CL36 is at least.

[@trignite]

Any DDR5 Kits that are 6800Mhz and higher are all Hynix A-Die.

[@sgru9558]

@@trignite few kits lower than that are being updated and replaced with A-Die

[@revio000]

Are 2 dimm boards worth it with solely air cooling the dimms? Or is it overkill unless you water cool them? Like is it worth getting an apex over hero

[@cybyrd9615]

2 dimm, 4 dimm makes no sense considering there are 64 GB A-die kits, itll be easier to OC 2 dimm 64 GB than 4 dimm 64 GB

[@cybyrd9615]

Msi z790i mpg which does 8Ghz at single rank 32GB can do 7.2 Ghz on dual rank 64 GB according to their specs

[@AlexanderDinebier]

@@cybyrd9615 Well, it does make sense if you want to use 128GB instead of 64GB (or 96GB soon with 2 dimms). I don't care if it's harder to reach high frequencies. My 2 kits (Hynix A-die 6400 CL32) are already waiting to be inserted in the Z790 classified. Should arrive at the end of the month.

[@donuthole7236]

Lummi, can you provide a p/n and links to vendors who are selling this memory? I'm building a new Z690 13900 water cooled rig and looking for 16 X 2 sticks without a heat spreader.

[@LuumiJuhani]

I can check some for you guys. I was hoping many would contact me on discord.

[@LuumiJuhani]

One example I found: item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.24.e62788427pPzLZ&id=682544793706&ns=1&abbucket=16#detail

[@donuthole7236]

@@LuumiJuhani Thanks Luumi, I found this vender buried in the comment section. You need to create an account just to view their content. I'm considering the G.Skill Trident Z5 DDR-5 but would have to remove the heat spreader which is somewhat risky. The Hynix sticks being bare is a more attractive option. One of my concerns is compatibility with my Gigabyte Z690 Waterforce Extreme MB where the G.Skill memory is on their compatibility list. Any opinion on how risky it is installing the Hynix memory? Thank you in advance for your help. You post very informative videos

[@LuumiJuhani]

@@donuthole7236 Not very risky when using paint thinner. Still, consider the Patreon discord if you want to get in touch more.

[@-eMpTy-]

@@donuthole7236 Tbh, just wait a bit. Just like with prior hynix ICs, A-Die will soon be used by known memory makers like Corsair and GSkill. The green OEM sticks should also be available on ebay and aliexpress soon.

[@sniperksa5160]

what the difference between EVGA Z790 DARK KINGPIN and EVGA Z690 DARK KINGPIN?

[@OCXChile]

Are those the pre binned kit from Splave?

[@LuumiJuhani]

No I binned myself. Just contact me via Discord or so on for link on Taobao.

[@OCXChile]

@@LuumiJuhani That sounds great. By the way Im samsarulz from HWBot. Not many people from Chile into Overclocking haha.

[@LuumiJuhani]

@@OCXChile These sticks are awesome.

[@erekberg9979]

I bought a 2x32 kit for my new computer. I'm really new to overclocking in general. are there any links or someone i can learn from that you know of that contain trustworthy custom voltage and timings for this kit I'm stable at 6400 through xmp. build is z790 hero 2x32 Hynix a die 5400 13900ks 1600w p+ liquid freezer 420 still looking for graphics card. any help would be awesome im having a hard time knowing what content to trust, and thankyou for the superbuy video. very good experience.

[@Deytookourjurrrs]

Check out frame chasers

[@evgenyskokov3090]

What Sa is safe , for daily use ddr5 7800 ?? 1.35 it's safe ???

[@jameyt1]

you probably only need around 1.25

[@NikiFin]

aika isot voltit noi vastaa ddr3 ramien voltteja ja miten ne sun ramit pysyy viileänä, vai onko ne kuumia?

[@LuumiJuhani]

Ei ole jäähdytintä ollenkaan, vain tuuletin puhaltamassa.

[@NikiFin]

@@LuumiJuhani kestääkö se kuinka hyvin yli 1.6 volttia?

[@LuumiJuhani]

@@NikiFin Testikäyttöön joo mutta arkikäyttöön liian korkea.

[@NikiFin]

@@LuumiJuhani mites mun ddr3 1600mhz cl9 1.66 volttia onko sopiva?

[@Sanmayce]

Can this machine beat 7950x 5800MHz with DDR5 6200MT/s CL28 in "Precise Decompression MIPS benchmark"?

[@THANHNGUYEN-uq8zk]

Only if it passes testmem.

[@sagerdood]

Im hitting 8800 on gskill 7800

[@alsteooaai]

hi, one question, is there any important specification of an SSD (controller or Nand or DRAM) more suitable for programming, ML, AI, Deep learning and use of 3D design? Which affects this type of productivity and gives it an edge

[@-eMpTy-]

No.

[@alsteooaai]

@@-eMpTy- ok Sorry😅

[@howiejcee]

I'm sure everyone knows Aida memory latency values are not accurate or even consistent. I'd rather see some Intel MLC values although can vary a little, much more meaningful.

[@ionutortian5885]

I agree with you, olso every Aida benchmark are not accurate and not consistent

[@paskowitz]

Do you have a Toabao link?

[@LuumiJuhani]

At least G.Skill 7600 CL36 is now available but it costs 500-650 euros.

[@paskowitz]

@@LuumiJuhani Do you have a taobao link?

[@LuumiJuhani]

@@paskowitz Yes. Will you join my Patreon discord :D ?

[@paskowitz]

@@LuumiJuhani Happily!

[@zoltanr84]

@@LuumiJuhani difficult, without a link?

[@Druze_Tito]

WTF is the deal with geekbench 3?

[@user-hf6ym5mb2n]

Give me the DRAM.

[@sagerdood]

1.65 is not too high for daily...

[@soulbytes]

1.7v for ram is it save ?

[@Outmind01]

Too bad reaching such lofty OC heights doesn't actually do anything significant for day-to-day performance.

[@rulik006]

1:34 AIB's "binned' kits is just a scam from the first day Thats because Hynix M/A is very consistent and there is not much difference between JEDEC green modules and AIB's scam for 400-550$

[@heatnup]

It’s a scam if you are a hardware enthusiast that overclocks. People who use XMP only obviously should not bother getting low end kits like this with no xmp or very slow xmp.

[@Demon09-_-]

@@heatnup I agree. Memory tuning and testing is not for the avg user. To get real stability you need to run quite long tests and also test with heat loads as that can also affect ram stability when the GPU is dumping heat in the case

[@guily6669]

Sad is that we buy a branded kit with OK XMP frequency biffed up good looking cooler to then find out we can't barely extract any more performance out of the suckers and a random crap looking kit with no cooling can go sky high kinda like if those "OC" specialized kits have been made with something locked in them on purpose 👿 Ps: I'm talking more about DDR4 super cheap kits Vs expensive kits...

[@Demon09-_-]

@@guily6669 it's a silicon lottery thing. The very expensive ddr4 say 4400+ mhz kits are chips they test to at least hit 4400. But the lower speed stuff sometimes can have a lot more room as you can add extra voltage since they come at 1.35v but on most of them you won't reach the really high binned 1.45-1.5v kits speeds unless it's a bdie kit. If you can pick up an avg kit of 3200 ddr4 and hit 4400+mhz at reasonable timings let me know.

[@guily6669]

@@Demon09-_- I have seen for example the youtuber "actually hardcore overclocking" going over 5000 with a super cheap 2133kit green PCB and no cooling FFS. Sad is that I can't find them on eBay anymore, I can only find other randomwares were the seller claims it's similar to the other 😟 Both my DDR3 and DDR4 kits from G.skill suck for OC, can't barely get much above their crap rating even though they are not very expensive but we're also far from like 25 EUR random kits on eBay too like some ppl have such luck... Ps: thought with my CPU and board I'd probably only be able to get slightly above 4000mhz anyway no matter the kit.

[@potatoes5829]

bruh this guy using 13900k with a gt710

[@_B.C_]

Meh… still under 9000.

[@Rmobylera]

Where you buy it?