Mötley Crüe Says Mick Mars is Not Legally Entitled to Band Monies & Why That’s BS!

Mötley Crüe Says Mick Mars is Not Legally Entitled to Band Monies & Why That’s BS!
Hey everyone!
In this video I cover Mötley Crüe’s response to Mick Mars suing the Band! Their response although eloquently written, when read with an eye between the lines, isn’t quite what it seems at first!
In Fact their response is BS!
Why do I claim this? Out of the 3 main areas of concern in their response, how many are just BS? Can they defeat Mick Mars in court?
Of course these and many more questions are answered in tonight’s video!
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Michael Noland
The Bottom Line

[@SoulTrainBro]

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[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

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[@BlackHatCinephile]

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[@scottsmigielski488]

@userlogin3724 thanks buddy 👍

[@Babaziba]

How cool! (If you're 12.)

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

@@scottsmigielski488 I think your right about it getting uglier and this sham goes into Round 3! Thanx Scott!

[@p.a.jacobs5514]

Without Mick's original riffs and excellent guitarmenship,motley crew would have never made it big time!!!!!😂

[@MrScottWard]

it took them all

[@ahfez]

Mick is the real talent behind Motley's success. The 3 should realize that millions of dollars they have now they should still thank Mick.

[@ThemFuzzyMonsters]

… but they have John5 now, who’s never wrote a hit song ever. 🤣

[@agedefyingfitness]

That's not true dude. I'm siding with Mick pretty much but the others aren't untalented especially Tommy. Many would say Tommy is the best musician in the band. Nikki did the majority of the song writing. The guys in the band are likely total douchebags now. Mick's not or not as much of one at least. They are all 4 douchebags to an extent for that bullshit farewell tour. Things aren't so damn simple. Mick is no angel but the better person than the other 3 I think. However I guess Tommy hasn't been playing as great lately. He was beyond great and there are just no grey areas with people anymore or respect.

[@steveeckert8396]

@@ThemFuzzyMonsters Mick's never written a hit song either. He's only cowritten 20 songs. Sixx name is on the entire catalog.

[@pumpkinheadghoul]

@@steveeckert8396 Nikki Sixx BARELY even knew how to play the bass, let alone the guitar. There are plenty in LA who will tell you Nikki Sixx even tried out for Quiet Riot when Randy Rhodes was still in the band, and they laughed him out of the audition because he knew absolutely NOTHING about music, and Rhodes even had to show him how to tune his bass. Sixx may have written the lyrics for the songs, but I guarantee Mick Mars came up with most of, if not all of the riffs. The Motley Crue SOUND and riffs was all Mick Mars.

[@216Numbskull]

​@@pumpkinheadghoul A bit of advice, don't try to debate an issue with strong conviction as facts if you don't even know how to spell a dude's name right. Otherwise the value of your knowledge is weak nor credible. Just saying cuz Randy's last name is spelled "Rhoads" not "Rhodes" ya dipsh!t. Now let the debate commence! As far as I'm concerned all 4 original members of Motley Crue are & were an integral part of the band, period. No matter who wrote what, why or when every one of them brought a certain special sauce to the table which is the biggest reason why they're Motley Crue & not Britny Fox. And if we're keeping it a buck here & not blow smoke up each other's azz then come correct, please? Not to dismiss any of the song writing Mick Mars made in the Crue at all. But, it was absolutely, most definitely, no doubt about it that Nikki Sixx was the main song writer in Motley Crue. The majority & I mean the "majority" of all of the bass parts, guitar riffs & the lyrics to almost every single Crue tune were written by Nikki Sixx. IDGAS about what you heard that happened at an audition for Quiet Riot in 1977. Within "4 years" Nikki took the time to get his sh!t together & focused on finding his knack at writing song & strived to be a Rockstar! The main song writer in Motley Crue is no mystery or even hard to find or a debate by any other member of the Crue. So, IDK where you're getting your information from but I'd look for a better source with credibility & facts of truth. If not you're just babbling a bunch of silly BS my dude, ya dig! +Peace & Rock n' Roll 4 Your Soul+

[@petej.8676]

Mick has more talent than the other 3 combined ✌️

[@FranciscoSantos-my4es]

*2*, Tommy is undoubtedly one of the greatest drummers oat

[@wendymarie7151]

Agree 💯

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Oh yeah Pete!❤❤❤

[@latentsea]

Francisco, listen to isolated drum tracks of Motley Crue. Then listen to isolated drum tracks of , zeppelin, Rush, The Who, Deep Purple, The Doors. Especially the o Ed you can see the sound wave files. Good stuff.. except the Motley Crue tracks not so much.

[@dasmuss6174]

@@FranciscoSantos-my4es I agree, came here to comment the same, great rock drummer

[@neilouellette3004]

Saw Motely Crue's Final Tour 2015 w/my son. Had front row seats and we noticed big time that Mick Mars was the only one playing his instrument. Everything including vocals was tracked. It was so obvious during the show. Mick was the only true musician in the band.

[@rjc7289]

It's about time Mick stood up for himself and fought back. He got sick and tired of being a doormat for the other 3, and rightly so. How much shit can one person take before enough is enough? Now, with all of this said, about this alleged millions that Mick supposedly owes the band -- I'd be curious to know more about that. Honestly, I think it's more bullshit coming from the other 3. How can Mick be struggling financially when he was a major songwriter for the band and, by his own recent admission, doesn't piss his money away like the other 3 do? I think Mick has some very solid claims here. It's just a crying shame he still has to claw and scratch for what's rightfully his, even after all these years and with his arthritic condition to boot. How the other 3 can be so dismissive and callous about this is just dumbfounding!

[@scottsmigielski488]

Mick Mars net worth is 70 million so ya he not hurting 🤘🔥🤘

[@coolramone]

Some people are good with money, are frugal, and save their money. Some are not good with money and spend everything they make on drugs, alcohol, appliances, toys like motorcycles, four wheelers, boats, campers, tvs, “wine, women and song,” etc.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

I think your right about him actually not owing them a damned cent RJC!❤❤❤

[@kevinburnes3216]

Team Mick all day everday! His money or backer is what launched the band in the beginning.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Say it loud Kevin!❤❤❤

[@bryanclarke1927]

It would appear that this is indeed what happened

[@villageidiot9867]

People genuinely love Mick. Can't say the same about the rest of the band.

[@angusdrummond6719]

100% agreed!

[@DebSherr]

Truth! Those three wouldn't have gotten anywhere without Mick! He's the glue that kept things together while the other three were drinking, drugging, and destroying!

[@KardboardKenny]

i hope MM sues them into permanently retiring.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Now don’t tease me Kenny!❤❤❤

[@markkemp7608]

Motley Crue need to just leave, fully retire.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

There ya go Mark!❤❤❤

[@kc0lif]

i side with mick.

[@ryanraivolt5757]

Mick really deserves better, shame to see him treated this way. One of the most influential guitarists ever and the guy that got me hooked on playing a long time ago. Hope everything works out for him. Feels like he was always underappreciated despite being the most talented and professional member of MC.

[@stephenbrown4211]

Really? I wonder why he’s never mentioned in the same sentence of influential guitarists as Hendrix Page Blackmore EVH Angus Young The Edge etc.

[@ryanraivolt5757]

@@stephenbrown4211 OMG relax, ofc there are other MORE influential players, but to say that he wasn't influential and didn't inspire a lot of people is just rude. This also ties in to me feeling he was underappreciated. He has done much for music and not gotten a lot of cred. Relax, you don't have to be top 5 all time to be really influential.

[@treeherder2201]

@@stephenbrown4211Someone needs to say this so I will....Overrated Hendrix was a black man playing music that white kids loved and it just happened to be during the heat of the Civil Rights movement.... Had he been white, we would have never heard of him they way we do. He was great, but there were MANY BETTER guitarists in his era....I saw Hendrix live 4 times.....he was pure slop live. I can play his stuff note for note. Nothing he did was mind blowing like say Brian May or later on, Randy Rhoads.

[@LEIFanevret]

And even treat him so awfully! When he has His diseace! Talk about total disgrace! You dont do that! To anyone! Least of all to a sick person! Really cowardly done!

[@stephenbrown4211]

@@treeherder2201 rubbish why bring colour into it. No other guitarist played like him in 1966. He invented rock guitar. May and Rhoads would have never been known if it weren’t for Hendrix. You don’t like it because he was a coloured person. Just remember who invented blues music that rock music derived from

[@KennethDillard]

This situation has really lowered my opinion of Sixx, Lee, and Neil massively.

[@NovemberRain-1975]

Ditto

[@FilmMission]

Mick is the sound of Mötley Crüe . He got ripped off

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Hope springs eternal FM!❤❤❤

[@progbloke6655]

So, Mutley Crud are suddenly concerned about contracts ? Funny how that concern comes and goes, isn't it ?!

[@feliperodriguez6885]

he's got a good case and since he gave the band its name he should sue for it too.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Now that’s a perfect idea Felipe! I wish I had included that into the video!❤❤❤

[@chrismcmaster5964]

From what I recall, Vince also sued for his 25% when he either quit or was fired, I bet Tommy did as well when he left.

[@spankywzl]

The fact is that Mick. Wrote. The. Songs! Pay the man. Just pay the man.

[@scottsmigielski488]

Nikki is the main songwriter but Mick contributed and came up with the name Motley Crue 🤘🔥🤘

[@andyhayes7828]

​@@scottsmigielski488 Nikki would present fairly 'rudiment/basic' ideas/riffs/licks......like looking at a dinosaur skeleton, but not knowing how it might have looked in life. Very similar to how Phil Lynott would work.....just as Scott Gorham and Brian Robertson would flesh out and complete the songs, Mick would do the same ( For Nikki Sixx) as well. Sting also worked in this manner, presenting a very basic pencil sketch to Andy Summer and Stewart Copeland, who in turn augmented chord structures/types, sonic timbre ( effects pedals !) And time/tempo.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Perfectly & Succinctly stated spanky! ❤❤❤

[@48musicfan]

I believe Mick is being short changed. 😡

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

I agree Roger!❤❤❤

[@tuco8734]

I used to see Motley Crue in Los Angeles area when they first started out playing small clubs. Loved their sound a lot . The one member who always really stood out was mick mars . I bought the first version of too fast for love by leather records . This band was super awesome but still anyone could tell that mick mars was the most talented in the band . The other 3 members of motley owe a lot to mick . In my opinion he carried them through the years . As far as im concerned the crue no longer exists without mick mars and the other members should be ashamed of themselves for what they are doing to mick . As far as the pre recorded tracks ….. who knows ? No reason to doubt mick on that but so far no evidence has come to light . I hope mick wins his lawsuit and gets what he’s owed , good luck mick mars .

[@eddynewton4081]

I still have that original record. I also found 2 more of the original in a used record store a few years ago

[@murderthecroworiginal]

Well you can take this for what it is... I saw Motley Crue on their supposed farewell tour, and was about 40 or 50 feet from the stage. Watching Nikki not playing his bass while it was still playing and coming out of the house front speakers. Several times watching him singing backing vocals which were clear as day in the mix without him near the microphone. I've seen the Crue a bunch of times ever since the Dr. Feelgood tour and they get progressively worse every single time.... EXCEPT for the tour they had, where John Corabi was the singer. THAT was a killer show. Hands down they were firing on all cylinders. I skipped the stadium tour but my friends that did go said Motley Crue was the worst of all the bands on the bill.

[@markmixon1121]

I have a feeling that if they would have just payed Mick they would have more money in their pockets in the long run.

[@kathynash8183]

I am so disgusted at this attack on Mick by Motley and, as you so perfectly put it Michael, their minions. Mick said that his ear monitor kept malfunctioning. Sounds like sabotage to me. Nothing short of a ploy (probably orchestrated by Nikki), to be able to accuse Mick of playing wrong notes etc. Ultimate betrayal.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Trailer Trash Boys will be, well, Trailer trash Kathy!❤❤❤

[@frankpoperowitzmusic]

Seen the Crue a few times over the decades. I gotta say, I love Tommy Lee on the kit. He has always had a fantastic drum sound. Too bad he is a drunk a$$hole. Mick was like the only non drama queen in this band though. The other three guys have kinda been the butt of jokes at one point or another over the years. Mick was never a part of all that. He was like the constant professional. Did his job, did it well and didn't kill anyone or OD or leak a trashy porno video etcetera, etcetera.... #teammickmars

[@sherriheikkila671]

Mick has always been Old School Rock, always about the Music.

[@hellgato777]

There goes the last of what little respect I had left for Motley Fucking Crue. I hope Mick costs them millions of dollars.

[@squarewheel1587]

If it weren't for Mick the Crew would have never existed. He wrote most of their music and was basically the sound of the band. Never liked this band very much but Mick is in the right here.

[@belellkaeh2775]

Nikki wrote most of the music. Mick co-wrote a lot, especially on Dr Feelgood, but Nikki has always been the bands main song writer. Mick however was the sound of Motley Crue along with Vinces voice.

[@SJ-ty5rw]

@@belellkaeh2775 I would believe Nikki wrote the lyrics as they fit his crude style . But as far as the music , this is the same guy that couldn't play bass in time on their 2nd album , in the studio . And didn't know almost anything about music . I have never bought he was a band leader like a Steve Harris , or Phil Lynott were to their bands . He would have been lost musically without Mick .

[@treeherder2201]

When I saw them in Atlanta, I was 15 feet from Nikki and somehow his bass was playing itself while he has both hands off it and gesturing to the crowd. There was definitely a bass track playing his parts. Mick probably got tired of being the only musician actually PLAYING his instrument. There were drum tracks too, but not on every song like Nikki's bass......and Vince....well he sounds like a dying gremlin gargling with Drano who doesn't even care enough about the fans to remember the words to the songs. They need to retire and take KISS with them. Only one I have any respect for is Mick.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Me too Tree Herder!❤❤❤

[@davidpantoja676]

MIck is Motley Crue the driving guitar is the centerpiece of their sound. Give the man his due.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Yes David! And his due might even be over 25% IMO!❤❤❤

[@CapstoneTider]

Camp Mars. There's a good close-up phone video of him on the tour nailing his parts. They're trying to pull a fast one on him.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Yes they are Greg! Vote registered!❤❤❤

[@wadeadams4263]

Sounds like a bunch of kids on a playground arguing about a swing. Hang in there Mick you got this.

[@Oldcrow77]

Sound like old lady’s swinging purses Let them go work it out on Jerry springer. Only press the has beens can get

[@CrimsonThorns]

I'm team Mick Mars He gave Crüe the heavy sound with guitar leads and riffs. The songs would be nothing without Mick's guitar riffs. He gave Crüe their relevance.

[@shadowlord5574]

I have to side with Mic, I said it before last year's tour started, why would anyone want to see MC live with how Vince sounded. And it's no secret That Tommy was a train wreck. Nikki is just full of himself to where he believes his own BS. They should retire and save themselves a lot of embarrassment

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Perfectly said SL! Lay that law down Shadow Lord!❤❤❤

[@Reckoning2943]

Mick, after Nikki, contributed the most to the band, he even gave them their name. If I think Motley Crue, the first thing that comes to mind are his iconic riffs. Mick was also the most professional and consistent among them, no felon, no troublemaker, he just soldiered through despite a crippling disease. To see him trampled on and disrespected like that speaks volumes about the other three guys. I‘m glad I didn’t purchase a ticket to that fraud of a tour.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

The other 3 probably signed off on this statement in an alcoholic haze weird one!❤❤❤

[@LuannOsbourne]

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine i don't want to be betrayed by a band i loved, because my heart wont take it

[@georgeedward1226]

If there weren't so many gullible fans coughing up good money to see these broken down rehab refugees, they'd be arguing over their cut of the door at some dive bar in Barstow. To answer the question, I guess I side with Mick. He certainly seems to be the underdog in this. I have zero respect for the other three in any event; even less for the weaselly lawyers representing them. Good analysis, as always.

[@joesmith9216]

yeah, no one should have paid to see them on this con tour they just did, but carnival trash want their grandbabies to see their idols, haha. I mean, you can hear the backing tracks on the you tube clips.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Thanx George! Let’s hope they wind up in Dive Bar USA! Then they can cuss and cheat and lie and debauch themselves into oblivion!❤❤❤

[@Oldcrow77]

Yep, only press they can get. Let ‘em go work it out on Jerry springer.

[@Oldcrow77]

@@joesmith9216 rockers with Walkers today on Jerry Springer

[@joesmith9216]

@@Oldcrow77 the most embarrassing thing that exists is aging musicians, esp those in rock and metal, Metallica are the only ones who have done it with any dignity.

[@charleskeisler716]

In other words they're trying to screw over Mick Mars, the lawyers are speaking for the other crew members, they have no loyalty toward Mick Mars.

[@TheNiteinjail]

Mick is no fool ... the lawyers will settle it. Nice way to treat a bandmate ... classy.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Yep N! I agree!❤❤❤❤

[@murderthecroworiginal]

I'm betting this will be settled out of court with a gag order on the details behind the settlement. That way Mick ends up paid off and the other 3 morons, I mean members, come off squeaky clean and able to make up whatever story that makes them look good

[@TheNiteinjail]

@@murderthecroworiginal out of court a likely reasonable end ... I agree... but you don't need to be very reasonable to be a rockstar. lol

[@willswalkingwest7267]

The most irrelevant bucket of bile in the entertainment industry.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Amen t that Will!❤❤❤

[@Oldcrow77]

Yeah Let ‘em go work it out on Jerry Springer. Never understood what people saw in them. I guess only their hairdresser knows for sure

[@bobc.5698]

Eddie Van Halen knew Mick when he was Robert Alan Deal back in the 70's way before M C. Eddie was surprised to find out that it was him in Motley Crue.

[@rodjohnon4950]

It's amazing how money can cause friends, team mates or band members to turn on each other.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Ain’t it sad Rod? Unbelievable, but money make ya do funny things!❤❤❤

[@OnAirWithMikeD]

Back in 2009 in Ottawa Ontario Motley Crüe headlined a show and I was lucky enough to be there to see soundcheck as I was friends with the openers and Motley Crüe 100% was using Bass, Drums and vocal tracks. Not just “The Last Tour” 100% in favour or Mick.

[@cuntox8358]

What ever the truth is…. One thing is for certain. Time for them all to stop.

[@marshallevans8492]

Team Mick!

[@jayclarke6671]

I got into them for the first time with their live videos from The End their supposedly last shows in LA I think in 2018. I thought the songs they have on KZbin from those shows were great overall although Neil was off a bit on Same Old Situation, but Mars was by far the power behind behind those performances.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Yes he was Jay! Agreed!❤❤❤

[@tonyrobles2696]

Without M. Mars Could never M. Crue

[@comfortablynumb9342]

The one I saw making mistakes and sounding awful was Vince. Every video I saw of their last tour proved that Vince should retire. Mick sounded pretty good.

[@FrankyFrizz]

I've seen the Crue so wasted, right before they took the stage, that they couldn't even stand up without assistance. I knew there was absolutely NO WAY they could've performed live, yet they did. It was too obvious that it had been prerecorded.

[@livingreflection5]

Yeah, he couldn't keep up with the difficult, intricate music of MC. We're not exactly talking Pink Floyd level arrangements here.

[@doreencharlie6694]

I totally agree! I hope Mick sues the crap out of them! He deserves the money. For the other assholes to be treating him this way after 40 years is UNFORGIVABLE 😤 so much for the band mates being family! Nikki trying to explain why they use backing tracks, making up a lot of BS😡 I won’t ever go see them again EVER! I wonder how many fools will pay their hard earned money to see them pretend on stage, so not worth it👎🏻

[@JayF3]

Good luck Mick! I did finally get around seeing them in Phoenix last year on the big tour and wow did they ever sound bad. Mick's playing was the best part of their act. Vince sounded horrible, as if he was singing underwater and Tommie still acting as if he were 18 again. No joke, asking all the guys to whip out their junk. Grow up already. And Nikki Six? Hell I can't ever tell if he's playing or not anyways. These guys should have stayed retired.

[@kevinflaherty6028]

I used to like their music years ago,but have no interest in seeing them or listening to their music anymore.

[@mylifeinGA]

I read the article and it clarified some things I was already thinking. Outside of merchandise sales, Motley’s only real business is their touring business. They have sold off their catalog and their publishing, the only real source of revenue is touring and merchandise. According to the article, Mick is one of the people who wanted an agreement between the members that anybody not touring with the band wouldn’t be entitled to revenues from touring. Even so, they offered him 5% and then upped the offer to 7.5% in recognition of his contributions to the band. That’s millions of dollars to sit at the house. What I thought was wrong was that they offered him that for 2023, and not in perpetuity. The guy deserves to get paid for what will continue to be a valuable brand. I also thought it was messed up that they said he would only get paid for merch that bore his likeness. I believe he should continue to get a 25% cut of anything that has the name Motley Crue on it. With, or without his likeness. Nothing against John 5, he’s a great guitarist and a perfect replacement for Mick, but they aren’t a stadium act in 2023 because of him. He didn’t build that brand, Mick and the others did. Mick even came up with the name, he should be paid in perpetuity for that and everything not related to performing.

[@daddymars]

Mick! Y’all know his history don’t see a quitter in the least!

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

He’s still in the fight DaddyMars!❤❤❤

[@agedefyingfitness]

I've really grown to hate these guys other than Mick. Nikki Sixx really disgusts me nowadays.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

The trio of them are the trio from hell IMO Cory!😉🔥🔥🔥❤❤❤

[@hernsg144]

Mick was the steam engine of the band.

[@thexfile.]

Using Backing Tracks is just like using AutoTune. 🤔

[@BobJohnson-mq2dr]

And it's funny.when Mick tells it ,, it sounds the same almost word for word as what the other guys say

[@davidlalremruata]

Why is it that he is not being respected and loved by his bandmates that he has to be forced to resort to this lawsuit? They don't appreciate his talent and were only just tolerating him before finding somebody their own ages?

[@thebipolarbear1]

Any musician knows especially mick is the glue that holds that band together. The only complex playing is on his behalf. They can sound great without Nikki but without mick they’re mumbo jumbo. I love motley I have a motley tattoo but facts are facts. Without the Little alien guy they don’t get off sunset strip. I love Vince nikki and tommy I hope they come to they’re senses on this

[@VortekStarling]

Boycott Greedco, I mean Motley Crue LLC, until they give Mick money. Chant with me, give Mick money, give Mick money!

[@belellkaeh2775]

This stopped being a band in 1992, when Vince was fired, and it became a full on drama machine that put out some music.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Right freakin’ on here Belell!❤❤❤

[@sunsetcaptiva8573]

Nikki, Vince and Tommy vastly underestimate how much their fans love Mick... This is a horrible look for them, screwing over the one guy who brought it LIVE every show... the three of them may beat Mick in court, but they will lose with their fans in a big way... If they were smart, they would split the pie 5 ways evenly adding John 5 - so each gets 20% instead of 25%. It would probably be a wash with trying to cut Mick to 5% and giving John 5 20% when you figure in all of the legal bills and the big hit this will be on their legacy. BTW - This is by no means on John 5, who I think is a great replacement for Mick and has preserved Mick's legacy with integrity and respect... much more than Nikki, Vince and Tommy have.

[@kenijonesESQ]

Divorces are never amicable are they

[@Bootradr]

It really all depends on what he signed, if he signed anything, when he took his break from the band. I don't believe most of anything said anywhere nowadays when it comes out like this. Other than the people directly involved we never do usually get the truth. Especially with a band like this. I wouldn't trust any of them half as far as I could throw them. Brian in Fort Worth 🎶

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

From what I understand bootradr, he didn’t sign anything! That’s why they are trying to nail home on an earlier agreement! And that’s only being used to rob him!❤❤❤

[@Bootradr]

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine Will he must not have been too bright to please like he did without signing any kind of deal. It doesn't sound like he will have anything to prove they said he'd still get one quarter of the band's earnings. People's word used to mean something but nowadays It's too risky to just take someone's word for it or do it on a handshake. I'm just not a fan of the band anyway but I'm not surprised he's not getting what they told him he'd get.

[@jlgro2065]

They all signed a contract not to perform after their farewell tour in 2018 or so taking a swipe at Kiss for all of their farewell tours so who knows

[@stormcop55]

I DO NOT believe anything coming out of Nikki or Vince and Tommy. I am on #teammick

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Yeah they are the 3 Stooges of Rock & Roll IMO James!❤❤❤ #teammick al the way!❤❤❤

[@bryanclarke1927]

It's simple: no Mick and there would be no Crue. You'd think they would realise it and look after him in his retirement from the band. No.class at all. All about money and greed

[@garyhundsrucker7771]

At least they won’t have to worry about songwriting because Vince will just mumble through them and botch ‘em up beyond recognition!

[@david.leikam]

That’s why they call it the music business/industry. You get a loan if lucky, then you hopefully pay it back plus some profit at the end of it all, repeat. It has very little to do with music nowadays. Money. Profit. Greed. Audience, you are given a show… with studio magic in the mix now, so it sounds like the album you like. Sports are more live than most live mainstream music these days.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Damn David, ain’t that just the saddest of truths brother? 😖⚡️🎧❤

[@david.leikam]

@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine / Been in it since the mid-1980s and it’s gone down hill creatively, for the most part.

[@hollywoodjoe3259]

Mick has grown a lot musically from the 80s in a band with adults who still act like kids .it’s a teenager band at best .sure I liked them when they came out when I was a teen, even met the band .then I moved on to more musically talented bands.

[@patrickladucer4118]

Legally it's going to boil down to the brass tax. Documentation will likely over ride hearsay. Love your videos as always. I'm not a fan of this band. They just never moved me or even caused me to thump my foot 🦶. Thank you Michael for your service and expertise.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Thanx Patrick! Great points regarding documentation BTW!!!❤❤❤

[@pumpkinheadghoul]

So this past August 25, 2022 I saw Motley Crue at State Farm Stadium in Glendale Arizona, along with Poison and Def Leppard, and I can tell you first hand, Motley Crue was BY FAR the worst. Poison was great, as was Def Leppard, but Motley Crue at times throughout the show was at best okay, and most of the time was pretty awful. And I'm telling you this as an 80 metal head and very much a life long fan of the Crue. Here's then following day's headline from our local news AZ Central. HEADLINE: "Motley Crue was a mess at State Farm Stadium" Yep, that pretty much sums it up. However, I can say with absolute confidence that Mick Mars was NOT the reason they were so awful. In fact Mick held his own just fine. He was very frail looking, and didn't move around much, but there was no indication whatsoever he was using backing tracks, and being a 45 year veteran guitarist myself, I can usually spot these things a mile away. Not to mention, I was actually seated on the side of the stage with Mick, so I could see his hands quite clearly, which will always give up the secret, and I saw no such signs. With that said, if anyone should be hanging it up, it should be Vince Neil. Again, I'm a true lifelong fan of this band, but whatever singing talent Vince Neil had, has long since evaporated into thin air. The man simply can't sing anymore. In fact, you can find plenty of video evidence all over KZbin that backs up my account, and I assure you, they're all very sad and pathetic, so brace yourself. Not to mention, I'm 6' 1" tall and weight about 245 pounds, so I know what a fat guy looks like because I see one in the mirror every day, but compared to Vince, I look sort of fit. That guy has to weigh an easy 280 pounds, and at 5'9" tall, you can imagine what that looks like while he literally struggling to finish each line of vocals in a phrase. He's lucky if he even gets seven out of every ten words to come out. My Second biggest complaint was with whomever mixed the sound for Motley Crue. They truly need to have their hearing checked, because the mix was probably what truly sucked most about their performance. The guitar was mixed so incredibly loud that you couldn't even tell what was being plaid. It sounded like one long constant noise with hardly any discernible chord or note changes. They'd literally be half way through a song before we could even figure out which song they were even playing, that's how screwed up the sound quality was. The other bands didn't have this issue. My third biggest complain would be Tommy Lee. I'm not a drummer, so I can't say if they were using backing tracks for the drums or not, which from what I've learned, most bands use some form of backing tracks for live performances. But my complain is more about Tommy Lee, than Tommy Lee's drumming. Keep in mind, this is a football stadium absolutely PACKED with middle aged fans who brought their kids to see one of the iconic bands we grew up listening too, and then you get the 14 year old child in a man sized Tommy Lee body walking out to the front of the stage in the middle of the convert, and yelling for the women to show him their tits. Which lasted all of about 15 seconds before he was calling for guys to whip out their dicks and show it to the crowd. I was like "Dude, grow the fuck up already. Your fans are grownups now, so maybe you should consider becoming one yourself. There were literally thousands of children under the age of 12 in the audience, but that moronic man-child Tommy Lee proved beyond refute he can't read a room to save his life. THANK GOD there was some bands that night that actually still have their shit together, so it wasn't a total loss.

[@xrpwatts2116]

I hope Mick Mars takes them to the bank.

[@DebSherr]

Mick is the only member of the band I really like! The heartless three seem to forget that Mick suffered in pain playing every day for years! His illness didn't go away, it only gets worse! I surely wouldn't buy a ticket to see them play under these circumstances. What they're doing to Mick breaks all the bonds of a true band! I don't think they would've made it without Mick!!!

[@peterlo5900]

Mick is the quiet one. He hasn't had anything said bad about him " to my knowledge anyway" where as the other three have had a lot of bad publicity against them.

[@dannyholloway2007]

I side with mick for sure! He was at least honest that they used backing tracks. When I saw them, they still sounded like crap through half the show. Mick was the best and most professional out of all of them, whether he used backing tracks or not. If he was, at least his backing tracks sounded good.

[@mlmc9464]

Going to side with Mick on this. After being bullied by them for quite some time finally has decided to speak up and fight back. He has let so much just roll off his shoulders. For to long he has been made out to be a fool, a forgetful old man that has nothing to offer the band. Which through all these years and no matter what was going on he has remained committed and always kept his passion and drive for Motley Crue and rock. So what if he exposes them for all the BS and so called "live" performances. You can corner someone for only so long before they come out swinging. I'd say it is going to get interesting but corporate won't let that happen.

[@bryannbley8004]

Just pay the guy

[@ChannelForty2]

If they're cutting back his percentage to 5 on only the touring revenue that's more than fair, but if it's across the board that is messed up.

[@Studio31Zero]

#NoMickNoMotley 🔥

[@BruceColon-BSides]

That Motley statement was the typical bland corporate speak. Mick has since hit back with yet another statement about his resolve to see this battle through (and more contemptuous comments about the band). This whole mess is far more entertaining than their creative output for the past 30+ years. Nothing Motley says can be trusted, particularly Sixx, who has lied not only about their cessation of touring, but also the use of backing tracks, etc, etc. Fug deez assclowns.

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

LOL Bruce! And of course I agree so wholeheartedly! Thanx for the additional info here brother! Your channel Rocks! ❤❤❤

[@BruceColon-BSides]

Coming from my favorite KZbinr, that means a lot. Yeah, check out Mars’ rebuttal. More fun “Dirt”. 😜

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

@@BruceColon-BSides Aw, ya done gone and given me homework Bruce! All right then, “Nothin’ up m’ sleeves!” “Hey. Rocky watch me pull a rabbit outta m’ ass!”

[@shayababy]

I'm so disgusted that their entire set list is pre-recorded. I know backing tracks are common, but this is a whole other level. I'm not going to watch electronic music being performed by a dancer, I want to hear loud grungy rock and roll, and we're not even getting that. I have live versions of my favorite rock songs downloaded and I listen to those all the time- because they're real and messy and sometimes full of mistakes and that's what makes the soul of rock music real to me. The way guitarists change up the song to fill in the gaps that studio mixing can't replicate live, or singers adjust their notes to avoid certain ones they can't hit that day because their throats are shot from touring...That's what we were missing during lockdown when live shows were canceled. The last time I saw Crue in February their music sounded dead. Makes sense now.

[@JeremyRuiz-rl8qv]

Getting old sucks! Mic left his mark and will always be one of the best. Just try to enjoy what’s left of one of the best 80s rock bands of all time.

[@kevinflaherty6028]

If they can't play or sing live and have to be fake,they have no business touring.

[@j.dragon651]

I have no dog in the hunt, not my cup of tea, but give credit where credit is due. From what I read in the comments he should be getting a piece of the pie.

[@Bigeazy87]

Hello Michael. Again, a great take on this madness. Most of what the Motley Tools (the "corporation" members and their minions) are saying has either been proven as lies or logical folks can conclude they are. To your point, we don't know if Mick owes the other guys back royalties. But, the other guys' track record is established to be shaky, and I would like to know the scenario in which these royalties are owed. Just unbelievable!!

[@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine]

Like you say Edward, Un-freakin’ believable!!❤❤❤!

[@AryanLuciferian]

The main point you hit on is Mick is a 25% partner of an entity that has some tangible value, probably a very large value, the other partners can't unilaterally decide his 25% is worth 0. You are spot on about the worthless statements by road crew, meaningless. I would imagine if Mick has an audit done on the books he is owed quite a lot of money, probably well above just a present value share payout. But then again hard drug addicts usually aren't known for their integrity. I really hope people stop paying for this crap, I choose to remember the 80s by watching bands at their best on film not in a state of geriatric decay live.

[@Oldcrow77]

I gave you a thumbs up. 👍 I’ve always given M.C. A thumbs down.👎 They have never appealed to my musical taste. Maybe that’s cuz I have taste. Not to offend people that like them, but they are just big hair posers to me. I’d like to hear some different content than This Jerry Springer of rock Drama. Seriously l, who cares about has beens that can’t get along. Let’s hear about some bands that are rockin. Like Govt Mule, the got a new album with Arron Neville, Billy Bob Thornton, Billy Gibbons and Celise the soulful guitar monster. and others that deserve our attention.

[@clutch2827]

Gray area. What constitutes excessive touring? Are they supposed to limit shows based on how Mick feels at the time?

[@eddynewton4081]

When Nikki was in Quiet Riot back in the mid 70's, Randy Rhodes always had to tune Nikki's bass because Nikki didn't have the skill to do so. Check the fact out.

[@MY-sh1ll]

This Motley Crue saga carries two different issues. The first is business-related. And the second is whether or not pre-recorded tracks can be justified in "LIVE" shows where audience expects the band to play Live literally.

[@chadb6455]

Without Mick…they should be called Motley Vinilli

[@KISStributeNYC97]

It’s really sad to see some of my favorite all- time bands, KISS and Motley Crue going at each other like this. I will say this….Motley and KISS do not sound the same without their guitarists. It’s a fact. You can’t just replace them and expect the sound to be the same. Why? Style. It’s missing.

[@thomasaronson6482]

Thank you Mick livewire Mars

[@spiritualhammer392]

This sounds a bit similar to what's going on with Judas Priest, with KK leaving (for reasons) and Glenn retiring from touring due to illness, Jayne Andrews' management/relationship with Glenn Tipton, Rob's solo stuff, etc. what a mess. However, Priest were a legit band who took heavy metal to new respect throughout the world - and Rob still doesn't lip-sync, and all instruments played live. Wish Rob would ditch the teleprompter...he was always such a pleasure to watch running around on stage. You should do a Priest video sometime Mike. You know your stuff about the Priest. Cheers

[@realjessreed2149]

What they’re allegedly doing to Mick is such a bad decision that I’m questioning whether or not this is all just another publicity stunt for them or something.

[@Raine13]

Too much is unknown to take sides at this early point. This current situation is years in the making. Case in point, under Sixx's leadership, Motley earned more money in their first year on their own than they had under the last 3 years of their contract with Warner. Then, take into consideration the actual corporate structure and how things may be set up for tax reasons. Example: The Rolling Stones pay another division of themselves to perform their own music in concert. That other division is based in the Netherlands for tax reasons. That other division is the one that legally owns their songs. Remember, the Stones - and Bowie - were left without a proverbial pot to pi$$ in due to greedy/bad managers in the late 60's / early 70's. Both Jagger and Bowie took control of their respective entities and built them into the powerhouses that they currently are. My money is on Sixx having done something similar once Motley was clear of Warner. And if this is the case, there's no telling how contracts have been structured behind the scenes, along with publishing rights, tax havens, etc. The "music business" is the realm of Almost Famous, groupies, and fans. However, the "business of music" is the realm of stock holders, contract lawyers, accountants, and the like. And this clusterfluff between Mars & Motley is definitely in the realm of the business of music.

[@jackstonehenge]

Greed caused this. They all agreed to retire Motley Crue together. Their time was up and they admitted to it during a joint press conference. I went to their goodbye tour and thought it was great. They just couldn't say no to reuniting.

[@adultingwithnudo9484]

It should be shown all over the place how Tommy Lee's drums were playing while not even sitting at them. Mars needs to prove the Six never played a note while on tour.

[@tashabradshaw1793]

Mick was the only true musician in that group. Tommy is a good drummer but Mick's riffs are what made that group. The fact that they are behaving this way about their band mates of 41 years is disgusting. This is really telling about what shitty people they are.

[@latentsea]

Listen to the isolated drum tracks of motley Crue, Tommy lee, it’s not that good.

[@Patrick-fj4vz]

I'm on the other side guys. You don't play, you don't get paid. Enough said!!!!!

[@TJJamesmusic]

If mick signed an agreement in 2008 that says he is not entitled to touring revenue if he’s not on tour that’s that. We shall have to see.

[@jamesburroughs4709]

I can't believe John5 would lower himself to play with these hacks. I hope Mick sticks it to them good.

[@michellebrown7714]

Spot on assessment. i do find it funny mick;'s actual GUITAR TECH never made a statement against him. he'd be the one most knowledgeable about micks ability to play.

[@LEIFanevret]

Greed for money sure messes things Up! Why not be honest and give Mick what he deserves! And appreciate what has been achieved and be awesome band bro's instead of Bs! Genuine companionship heart and soul should be so much more worth! Than money THE root of all evil, One for all! All for One! Should be THE motto!