M44L: The Experimental Midlength Folding-Bayonet Mosin Nagant

[@Koopax13]

"Comrade, we need longer carbine" "But sir, we have rifle?" "Nyet, we need LONGER CARBINE"

[@raykirushiroyshi2752]

The nyet is very nice

[@thomaswasner2286]

Carbine too short; rifle too long. This will be better.

[@wilhufftarkin8543]

I read this with a Russian accent.

[@chrissinclair8705]

LOL. Well said sir.

[@Tottleminerftw]

Nyet we need Kalashnikov

[@TheMosinCrate]

Supposedly a couple crates of these were spotted by the importer in the early 2000s in Bulgaria as you mentioned, when I asked about them the importer guess they were either not purchased or got mixed in with other M44L(M1945) rifles as you mentioned. It's something very easily overlooked and I'm hoping this video will have folks running to check their M44 rifles just to see. Maybe more will be found!

[@jestucker2268]

Alden, thank you for sharing this with you... been a long time follow of The Mosin Crate, in fact, you pretty much started my addiction with the Mosin (never had a chance to buy from you, but your information has been beyond helpful.

[@TheMosinCrate]

@@jestucker2268 Very nice of you to say! I'm glad we both got into it before it got too expensive.. it's getting there though.

[@owllymannstein7113]

And they probably all got sold stateside for $119

[@deerslayinredneck1003]

Um this video had me scrambling to look at mine and its m44l after looking at all the markings and cues the only thing is mine has production year 1946 . And the funny thing is i bought it off my cousin 3 years ago for $75 and its still in mint condition its only had about 150 rounds put through it

[@jaska5403]

Sooooo when will papa Mosin and gun Jesus get together for a video?

[@DesertAvenger]

Mosin Crate sounds like a subscription I would pay for. "for only $49.99 a month we'll send you a selection of Mosins right to your door!"

[@douglaskattau9241]

Nugget of the Month Club

[@TheMosinCrate]

@@douglaskattau9241 if only they were still $49.99 each..

[@douglaskattau9241]

The Mosin Crate, does anyone know what it originally cost the Soviets to make one?

[@jamesramirez85]

@@douglaskattau9241 i think 100g of bread for the factory comrade🤣 100g for the steel comrade🤣🤣 100g for the wood comrade🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@douglaskattau9241]

Lorenzo De Nicola, I was thinking more in terms of three potatoes, a head of cabbage, and two shots of vodka.

[@kellscorner1130]

I was gifted one of these, less than 100 rounds down the barrel, fresh from the original factory sleeve. I had NO IDEA the history and value of it until now! so cool!

[@richieb7692]

Have you still got it??

[@worldoftancraft]

Holy hacking shit. A pristine rifle. Enjoy!

[@ww2historian9]

I have one too but mine was used

[@shawnoandrew]

You probably got a short, not a trial rifle midlength.

[@andybrown4284]

Mosin crate, sounds like a lootcrate style subscription to rifle through each month.

[@TheCheat_1337]

Well then I want a pink tiger stripe color scheme for one plus a fancy Soviet hat made out of a bear pelt.

[@blakebramley9171]

Oh man, if only

[@Lksupasteien]

Hyper late-capitalism

[@Ikarias1]

The only one I would subscribe to... until the inevitable decline and a crate full of inflatable bayonets.

[@mrpirate6187]

Dammit I got another M91!

[@tarstakars]

Hear that? That's the sound of everybody running to their gun cabinets to see if they have an m-44 l......

[@johnny-james]

Aha yessir!

[@bearwilliams8564]

Love mine

[@mormonyakuza3412]

Hi Ian! Just wanted to say thank you for making firearms history so accessible, and for providing detailed explanations of the actual mechanics behind a broad array of firearms. Your videos remind me of some of the better college lectures I had, and those were classes that cost quite a bit of money to attend, so it's pretty amazing that all of your content is available for free, online. Hope you're doing well and staying safe!

[@troy9477]

'Germany had the nerve to surrender". Lol. Well said. Interesting variation. Anyone sporterizing it will have a small head start- no need to shorten the barrel. The guys at Iraq Veteran 8888 sporterized a full length rifle several years ago. They had the barrel cut to 22" and recrowned with a target crown, put on a modern synthetic stock with a scope mount built in, aftermarket trigger etc. The sweet spot must be 22" because the accuracy with Winchester factory ammo (180 gr i think) was almost astounding. Looked suitable for any normal hunting, and probably respectable for target shooting out to 300 yds or more. So the Mosin can do it. Thanks for showing more of the fascinating history. I have a full length one with a scout style scope installed (came that way from a gunsmith). Looking forward to trying it out finally. Got off 1 round then the bolt stuck. Had to tap it open with a mallet. Rsearched the problem and cleaned any hardened cosmoline out of the chamber with a small gauge shotgun brush. Should be good to go.

[@robertwesolowski2383]

I like that every other country figured out the short rifle 10-30 years earlier and the soviets decided to get into it right before semi automatics became the norm

[@CassiusGreen]

The more mosin a video has, the better it is.

[@jimmorrison789]

True statement

[@mikeyjohnson9596]

Good morning. Loving all the bolt actions lately!

[@lairdcummings9092]

Interesting rifle. My M44 throws HUGE fireballs; I can see where their thinking was going. I'd like to shoot a mid-length Mosin, see how much it changes / tames the flamethrower effect.

[@ryanjourney9607]

Laird Cummings it makes for a cool effect when you shoot them at night.

[@TheBigOne0305]

That's the special feature for urban warfare! Free flash bang with every shot. Great for clearing rooms in Stalingrad or Berlin from Nazis XD

[@spiff2268]

I got to shoot an M44 a couple years ago. Yeah, big fireball and more kick.

[@rixille]

The big fireball is due to gunpowder which is burning right outside the muzzle due to the short length, there is less room inside the rifle for the burn off.

[@brianreddeman951]

My 44l is always an attention getter at the range. I was told NOT to bring it back to one indoor range. I have no idea why 😁

[@RedstarBunny]

i most definitely had one of these, it also said M44 and i thought it was a bit long for it to be an m44 but eventually just accepted it was just some error in length...now I'm really sad i sold it a few years back and mine had probably the smoothest bolt id ever felt on a mosin, didn't stick even a little...

[@Major_Bomber187]

I've recently found a mosin with the date marked 1932/48/50. The search number is 36515, and it's a Tula rifle. I've never seen a mosin marked with three dates.

[@estebancinardi45]

Could Rhey they be refurbish date stamps?

[@TheMosinCrate]

There are double dates, triple dates and I've even seen some quadruple dated Mosins before. You'll also see this on 1895 Nagant revolvers and perhaps other weapon types(I believe I've even seen it on an RC k98k before too.) Usually accompanied by an MO. They used to be more common back when 91/30s were still being imported, now collectors have snatched them up and they tend to bring a premium even though we are unsure of the exact reasoning behind the dates. Congrats.

[@Major_Bomber187]

@@estebancinardi45 No, they seem to be Factor stamps, but I'm unsure.

[@brasstard7.627]

I had an M44 that was marked 43 and 48 with an MO and a lot of other marks I didnt understand. It was my first Mosin as a teen in the 90s but was stolen by an illegal from Mexico that was my friend but had turned to Meth and eventually fled back to Mexico after a crime spree of ripping off everyone he knew

[@Major_Bomber187]

@@brasstard7.627 Wow, that's a crazy back story, guess every Mosin has a story to tell.

[@iuploadherebecauseimnotbuy7236]

Another great start to my day. Thanks Ian

[@toadamine]

The original EBR... "Enhanced Bolshevik Rifle" 🤣

[@worldoftancraft]

Marines are spreading ideas of egalitarianism. Confirmed

[@lgbtqisahategroup9781]

Nyet. Standard rifle fine.

[@davehurst5784]

Seeing this rifle makes you wonder why this 24" barrel MN model was not adopted in the later 1920's, early 1930's, as the replacement the M1891 and Dragoon; esp. since most other major powers were already using universal rifles, like the SMLE, M1903 and K98. Certainly experitmental models were tested at that time.

[@BSKustomz]

The K31 finger grooves are set up like that, always thought it was a nice little touch

[@LifeisGood762]

I imagine the groove in the stock being slightly farther back had to do with the end of the bayonet potentially hitting fingers under recoil.

[@devincook2736]

I've heard the reason for sling swivels being mounted on safari rifle barrels instead of forends is for a similar reason. Ouch.

[@propdoctor21564]

Another cool and interesting video as always.. I really enjoy Mosin history and this is a super cool rifle that I have never heard of before now.

[@stevenwolf8483]

I have shot one of them and I can say the muzzle flash is very nice. A must for any fans of old war rifles.

[@adamak47miller90]

I purchased 2 Mosin M44 back in 2004 from Buds and one of them was a M44L. I got them both for $79 each because I ordered a XD45.

[@mikes1345]

Now I'm gonna have to dig in my safe and examine my 91/30, M44, and M 38 and rewatch all your Mosin videos. And I just thought they were just fun inexpensive shooters. They are in fact quite accurate rifles well suited for hunting as much as my more expensive hunting rifles are.

[@AppalachianTemplar]

Sights are still trash though.

[@gunsblog]

Thanks for being so good and showing us piece of history

[@ratagris21]

Never disqualify the Mosin-Nagant rifle as it has such a great and diverse history. Love them and have a place in my heart and in my collection. The Mosin Crate is a great channel and vendor. Thanks Ian!

[@mrnickbig1]

Had one about 15 years ago. Bought it for around $60. Released a huge fireball at every shot because the barrel was still much too short for the 7.62x54R, which was equivalent to a .30-06.

[@stone9302]

I'd always thought the finger grooves were in different spots due to bad manufacturing. It's cool to learn that there was a reason behind it.

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you , Ian .

[@sambaggins2798]

Thanks for getting us through isolation Ian! Your videos are a nice piece of our day.

[@Guillo78]

I really love forgotten weapons because i learn more than in my school in puerto rico

[@thelastjohnwayne]

Fun Fact it looks like the long spiked bayonet could also be used as a long standard Screw Driver.

[@canadianclassics]

Are Tula Marked m44s rarer then ishevsk marked m44s?

[@das_gruuben]

Ian, you damn tease. I have a 1945 m44 carbine imported by Century. Upon seeing this I ran to where I have it locked up only to find that it is, in fact, just an m44 carbine.

[@huckleberry602]

Wow The Mosin Crate gettin some impressive exposure from Ian.👍🏻

[@lairdcummings9092]

They're going to get slash-dotted for sure.

[@egotisticalasshole5987]

You mean the hypocrite crate. It's fine when HE deletes something HE doesn't like, but when it happens to him, he whines about it.

[@Er_Lolers]

Oh god, beautiness in it's most purest form. Great vid as always Mr. McCollum :^)

[@keliikoamiller8173]

One of my first rifles at 18. Love my 44.

[@bedroomairsoft5216]

Yes, this is quite indeed, definitely

[@grugg3108]

Based?

[@jontee3437]

Hey Its Alden from the Mosin Crate. He's a good dude, I've bought a few guns from him before

[@7.62shawn5]

What a cool mosin wish I could find one that was being sold at the m44 price lol! Thank you mosin crate "awesome shop" for loaning this m44L to forgotten weapons for a review/history lesson! It was very interesting. Thank you forgotten weapons for a great video! 😁👍

[@justinrobert2770]

"As we know all tactical Soviet soldiers are right-handed." Also I had a non-matching slightly bubbaed mosin that I wish I could of restomodded into something like this. (Better trigger, bent bolt etc)

[@Hansengineering]

EVERYONE was right handed prior to the 60's. If you were left handed, and even remotely religious, they would literally beat it out of you!

[@steveh1792]

@@Hansengineering Back in the mid-50s my elementary school teacher started to make me switch to writing with my right hand. Dad found out, and was at the classroom the next morning telling the teacher to "leave the kid alone". And she did. (Like him, I'm "mixed dominance"; right-eyed, mostly left-handed except for throwing and kicking stuff. It all comes in a package with some free psychological quirks.)

[@richardsolberg4047]

@@Hansengineering Remember a story of a US Teacher observing a Soviet class room late 70s abouts , something odd about it then it hit her in this large group no left handers ..Her Soviet guide responded with pride there are no left handed people in USSR ..

[@MrFlyinghellfish]

On top of that, the Red Army really never issued any kind of scabbard for the Mosin bayonet. You were just expected to have it fixed at all times, made more apparent by the fact that they were sighted in at the factory with the bayonets fixed.

[@joelopezjl28]

That man (mosin create) has a lot of cool stuff

[@Mousetrap1740]

I picked one of these up at a flee market in the middle of nowhere Ohio. The seller didn’t know what it was and sold it for about $160 thinking it was a standard run of the mill, mass produced Mosin. Now it sets comfortably in my collectibles safe.

[@MadMetalShop]

I have one in brand new condition. Talking pristine! My fave mosin variant.

[@Basedmursenary]

Challenge: find an Obrez with a folding bayonet

[@denzh6980]

Thank you for another great video, just have returned home from work and huraaay I am looking on new interesting video from FW :D

[@BigBishy767]

My 91/30 has the serial 3333, was a random pick I picked out of a crate

[@josiahdublin7816]

That's a really good looking Mosin.

[@Saintbow]

Yes, the best time to ask a Mosin question since the comments will be loaded folks with some who may know and may not know...and some who will just say to use it as a club. Also...Gun Jesus...if you want to help, please jump in! For Christmas, I want to say roughly 9 years ago, right before my dad passed away. He bought me a outstanding condition in the crate Mosin. Came with all shoulder straps, bayonets, stripper clips, and pouches. The wood stock on it was pristine, with no marks on it from being beat up. I know, they used to cover them in this coating that would prevent them from rusting for travel, and they would need to be cleaned really well. I scrubbed that thing like I was 16 and just found my first playboy. Well, first outing to the range, after firing the first round, it would it would eject and load the next cartridge, then click...nothing... cartridge was jammed. I thought I did a piss poor job cleaning the weapon, broke it down, did a "better" job. Got my hopes up (My dad never bought me any thing, at this point in life, I just turned 30 and this was the first time he put effort into a gift) and pulled the trigger, first round went off like normal, and the procedure went as expected moving forward and then...and click...nothing...Jammed...back to the drawing board. Some online forums were saying it is the bolt, others are saying it's because of the wax spray still on it, and the list goes on. Anyone have some points? Other than the normal Mosin hater "use it as a club" or "it's Garbage" normal shyte?

[@Fish-on-fly]

I have two of these beautiful weapons one is torn to hell looks like it's been through battle. And one is all matching serial numbers with factory grease still down the barrel

[@cheesenoodles8316]

I hear "Mossin Crate" and the intro scrolls thru my head....because of Winston... I digress. Cool variation of this rifle.

[@keatotherealone520]

Just got mine last week its a m44 variant made in 1943 I didn't know if it meant anything until I did some research and its was the test batch before they massed produced them they only made 50,000 of the 1943 test variant

[@jerryjohnsonii4181]

Interesting Mosin Nagant rifle. Thanks for showing this Rifle, Gun Jesus !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@3RAN7ON]

5:01 you said right hand but you held it with your left. Did you mean to say left?

[@BeasBotBonanza]

Every M44 owner in the country just got their measuring tape out haha

[@noahculver8936]

That's a very beautiful rifle.

[@MainelyMoto207]

NCreptile is the owner of the mosin crate. Very knowledgeable guy

[@BreakChannelZero]

I can't figure mine out. Bought it years ago, and it's missing several of the standard M44 features you point out, but matches the lengths of the standard. Maybe it's because it is an early enough model (1944) that some of them weren't yet implemented.

[@s.thompson9]

Why did they not blue the muzzle face on a lot of old military rifles? Seems strange to me considering it’s so close to the crown, one of the most essential places to maintain to keep a rifle accurate...

[@F1ghteR41]

Given the carbine's muzzle blast, it was definitely a good idea to lenghten the gun. It's a pity that it lacks any other significant improvements in design though, even just the simple ones like longer bolt handle, since it would serve as a basis for the sniper rifle anyway.

[@ArchAangel21]

Imagine if they took the sniper versions. they didn’t get fitted with a scope and crated them with these and when they where revived they just put bayonet fittings on them

[@LifeisGood762]

Always love mosins. Cool video.

[@jamesramirez85]

There are a plenty of this in italy (don't tell me why.....) they are just a little more expensive than a normal mosin, like a 100€ more than a normal mosin which is 350~450€ depends on model and conditions.

[@jamesramirez85]

Carcano* and probabily yes, the USSR captured a bunch of carcanos of all sizes so it's possible that they experimented all the possibilities

[@RandomUser-cx9kn]

You're confusing them with the stock M44, we indeed have a shitton of overpriced examples in Italy. And the Soviet folding bayonet development is unrelated to the Carcano.

[@jamesramirez85]

@@RandomUser-cx9kn no fermate, proprio su armiusate qualche settimana fa avevano un botto di questi mosin a 500€ ed erano proprio questi

[@kuluvas2]

Absolutely one of my all time favorite rifles, the 91-30 is also really nice but about 200 feet longer. Mine was more accurate with the bayonet extended

[@az_3kgt714]

huh just realized that i might actually have one these m44l's the M44 in the background has a bladed front sight but the M44l has that round guarded front sight. Which my M44 has..Being the only M44 i have i have nothing to compare its length to.

[@feliloki7]

Not sure but I think you meant to say left hand not right at 5:05

[@Gordonseries385]

Wonder if they ever offered a little cover for the bayonet

[@leemiller4375]

Running to my cabinet to check mine.

[@bobythepianist]

What's the purpose of the cross bolt on the side of the handguard ? Is it removable and how ?

[@thesturm8686]

The recoil bolt? I think it's for spreading the recoil force equally on the stock so they don't crack

[@bobbyhullfan1077]

So is the nagant with a folding bayonet a good gun to buy? Can I get ammo for it? How much does the gun and ammo cost in 2021? Thank you

[@stefanmolnapor910]

Not this specific model, but the Negant is the one gun I have ever owned, that everyone has told me to buy!

[@charles.coslor]

The 91/30 was cut down from longer 1891 dragoon rifles, right? Based on markings, I believe I have a cut down dragoon. But I wonder if there are existing examples of the full-length rifle? EDIT oh I found lots of vids of this EDIT EDIT I should say I don't "know" mine is a dragoon. it was a Big 5 buy back when you could get them for less than $100. It's a hex receiver marked 1929.

[@TWX1138]

"right hand" proceeds to hold rifle with left hand.

[@tonyjones80]

I’m glad I never heard of these 10 years ago. I’d have been selling a kidney to get one

[@bend1483]

Might be good if you mention measurements people could take which would confirm one when they saw one. How long are they?

[@renebarrera5286]

The stock looks like beavers were used............LOVE IT !!!!

[@warrmalaski8570]

I might just have one of these but my stock was busted and repaired. What is the total length of the m44 l? You were vague abut all the sizes. Edit terns out I just have a carbene. Made in the same plant and timeframe. overall length 40'' the m44l 43 3/4.'' but plate to barrel tip.

[@jackconwell6612]

I have a Polish M44 that has a shield painted on the let side of the stock with "FB" painted inside. Any ideas about this marking?

[@ryanjourney9607]

I’m going to have to check my M44 when I get home from work.

[@eddiesnipes1499]

How long should a model 38 be can anyone share that info please

[@BillLaumann]

So how do you get that bayonet back to its resting.place?

[@bulletsbeer6319]

What beer would go well with this intermediate rifle? I'm thinking something full-bodied but redundant...

[@blakebramley9171]

It seems like the perfect length. If it didn’t mean having to change the machinery in the factories, if they had adopted this earlier, perhaps they would have fairer a lot better in the many urban combat scenarios far better than the awkwardly long 91/30s

[@dewproductions5161]

My friend has the same rifle that was has a date on it marked “1939” but this video says they were all made in 1945

[@w.p8960]

In 62 I was in USMC infantry training. At bayonet training, the instructors had great joy telling us that we had a 6 inch bayonet and the Ruskies had a 24 inch switchblade bayonet.

[@theintelectualdragon2310]

Bodeo revolver at the range?

[@shotgunshell80]

Yours says m44 mine says m1938. I purchased mine in 2001 and I’m trying to figure out what bayonet will fit it

[@grantgarrod2232]

The M44 carbine was created by adapting the folding bayonet assembly to the carbine that preceeded it, the M38, which is apparently the model you own. The M38 carbine was never meant to mount a bayonet, nor were any ever made for it.

[@MalevolantB]

Can we get a video on interesting/rare import marks????

[@Onbu_]

I was about to watch a FW-video while eating. Looks of it Gun Jesus has blessed me with brand new one just in time ;)

[@saaaaaakkkkkkkkkkeee]

Holy shit this just came out. Awesome.

[@bakuisimpartialtoemu]

I think I have one of those it looks like the carbine but longer

[@braddonovan1786]

That bayonet locking system looks just like the one on the sks. Did the sks develop this feature first, or did the Mosin L?

[@xx187thekid45xx]

How does one get in touch with this gentleman I believe I have the one he has not seen

[@chibbacurley62]

I had the opportunity to buy one of these back in 2013. I instead bought a Yugo M24/47 bc they wanted 500 for the Mosin haha

[@JohnCBobcat]

Even the Soviets figured out the "universal short/intermediate rifle"....eventually. Took them until most of the way through their second World War, and about the fourth war with Sergei Mosin's rifle design, to get around to that point.

[@Coastal_Cruzer]

Somehow I interpreted this vid as being about folding mosins, that would be a sight for sure

[@jonathanmoermans3388]

Kind of sounds like Big Smoke was in charge of the naming

[@francoisdarfeuille8258]

The nicest Moisin Nagant

[@mazkact]

Ukko Pekka disagrees.

[@grahamconquerghc2358]

Does anybody no the psi the round would put out at a k?

[@denmanfite3156]

You mentioned the matching serial numbers: I've always heard the Russians would mark any replacement components with the same serial # when refurbishing. Is this incorrect?

[@Gungeek]

yeah most got mixed up and renumbered but some didn't and there is ways to tell true matching.