MA. v Karen Read Trial Day 31 - Closing Arguments

[@Yukihiromol]

It felt like AJ prosecuted the Common Wealth, while the Common Wealth failed to defend the case.

[@gregsomlai297]

This is a very good way to put it!

[@LAReadyN]

CW defended the McAlberts and failed to prove Karen guilty.

[@jamiwengler338]

They spent more time defending Jen mccabe then they did proving their case

[@B_Bodziak]

When Lally goes into private practice* he may do an interview and tell us if he believed in this case or not. *He's probably going to have to stay in the DA's office because who would hire him after this performance...

[@cathyjohnson7123]

Sandra Birchmore’s suicide has been changed to a homicide. This should be good considering a lot of the same cops have had their dirty hands in it! I hope you can help us Emily and follow this case for us.

[@B_Bodziak]

Oohhh, let's up vote this comment so Emily's team sees it!

[@baam2248]

Ugggg.... this is all the same county I live in. Hopefully Maura Healey has them shaking in their boots, she's probably the one that asked the Feds to investigate.

[@myhatmygandhi6217]

Do we know if it was the same District Attorney as in the Karen Read case?

[@timdrake4951]

Honestly, butt dials rarely even happen anymore. It’s been butt-flashlight-mode for at least two years now.

[@Stolimel]

Facts

[@ErinStudio]

It's not easy to butt dial anyone when you have a passcode on your phone either. So many butt dials, zero voicemails.

[@sarcasticcatlady2036]

@@timdrake4951 oh thank goodness, I’m not the only one who does that 😆

[@B_Bodziak]

​@@ErinStudio Yep. I guess one cheek dialed and the other hit end.

[@BlueSkyRemedyy]

Yeah, I have on “butt dialed” someone on my phone when is open and I am nodding off and I click someone name.

[@leslie3933]

I can’t imagine how scared Karen must be. So glad she has Mr. Jackson and Mr. Yannetti to advocate for her.

[@Stolimel]

Not to mention a very loving family and thousands of supporters from day 1.

[@B_Bodziak]

In the past 30 years, there have been 183 men on death row awaiting their own executions that have been completely exonerated and released due to advances in technology, particularly DNA. There are many more serving life sentences, but resources are directed more towards those on death row. Those 183 were lucky that the evidence was still in storage. The Innocence Project estimates that 11% of people convicted of capital murder charges are actually innocent. Having just 1 in 100 innocent people wrongly executed is enough, in my opinion, to stop executions altogether, but it's actually more than 1 in 10. That's horrific.

[@pamelamason530]

And Ms. Little!

[@007nadineL]

Jfc how about a thought for the kids who lost 3 parents

[@cindorella1495]

​@@StolimelDefinitely. I know they haven't left her side. The look on her father's face is the same look of worry my father has when his whole heart is ready to defend me against any harm or ill intent attempting to come my way

[@RPBSpeaks]

All the prosecution proved was that KR was jealous, drank too much and possibly had a toxic relationship with JO. He didn’t prove that she hit him with her car on purpose and left him in the snow.

[@Diana-ch8cv]

they also proved it was snowing 🌨

[@RPBSpeaks]

@@Diana-ch8cv so true! hahahahaha 😂

[@glynn2023]

Exactly

[@celialehannehollon8567]

And that the Waterfall has high top tables. 🐐🐐🐐

[@samsmom400]

​@@Diana-ch8cvLMAO 😂 thanks. I needed that.

[@zynniaquaoar2439]

2:50:00 we have a strict rule about no shoes in house…BUT I can guarantee you that I would ignore the $h1t out of that rule if my husband was missing.

[@mypersonalaccount1089]

The fact he even brought that up just re-emphasizes what a weak case they have against her.

[@baam2248]

Yeah... I totally would have just been like fu and your shoes rule lol that was a dumb argument.

[@krystalbrooks3418]

I cannot imagine the tension in that room when AJ was doing his closing. It takes an incredible courage to stand up for what is right when so many people are against you. Well done sir ❤️

[@carrieblink182]

Easy to do when they wholeheartedly believe their client is innocent and framed.

[@darcymoon2109]

A lot of courage or a lot of money!

[@krystalbrooks3418]

@@darcymoon2109 lol, that certainly doesn’t hurt I suppose

[@B_Bodziak]

​@@carrieblink182 No, it's harder when you are certain your client is not guilty... Much, much harder.

[@krystalbrooks3418]

@@B_Bodziak I imagine that is a huge burden to bare

[@rziadeh]

This defense team is incredible.

[@annemariemurphy7001]

To Say Proctor's foul texts did not damage thee integrity of the case is ridiculous

[@TheAtherial]

I laughed out loud in incredulity when he said that.

[@B_Bodziak]

He'd have been better off not even addressing those in closing because all it does is take you right back to proctor's testimony

[@JamieDoe472]

​@@B_Bodziaknot to mention Brian Albert's stand up character being tossed into that close. Just because he went to a fellow officer's funeral and his long career? Dude was partying with his friend like frat buddies who ALL seem to be guilty of poor decision making that night. Not only drinking, and driving, but pushing the after party even with a blizzard coming. 🤷‍♀️

[@mafortu9032]

You can say that if it never had integrity to begin with.

[@007nadineL]

Texts had zero impact on the evidence

[@cool5529]

Mr. Jackson’s closing gave me chills. That’s the first time that’s ever happened. And look at Brian Albert…he can’t even look at the jury or Jackson. Shame.

[@charlesellis792]

Alan Jackson was just masterful all the way through the whole trial. Was a privilege to watch an expert on showcase.

[@ji5gz5fu3g]

Expert he’s knowingly telling lies….FBI found no frame job or conspiracy theory after their investigation. He’s a disgrace to the legal profession!

[@rachaelreis6530]

I cant belive Johns family is sitting with the Alberts. How can you look at this evidence and still think karen is guilty???

[@carrieblink182]

You gotta remember who’s been giving the O’Keefe’s the narrative for the past 2.5 yrs.

[@COSMICCANDYSTAR]

trauma bonding. Plus, the enemy keeps their foe close to manipulate

[@whatwouldsaido]

Well they were being gas lit by everyone who was in Johns life but Karen. And he saw Karen as the person that killed their family member.

[@misscranky]

They've had two years of Jen McCabe pour poison in their ears and their minds were already made when the trial started. It's hard to reverse on that.

[@Daysfreak57332]

probably because its easier for them to blame the GF than his friends who have kids who are friends with your grandkids and fellow officers helped frame the GF instead of investigating the other cop. Karen is the easiest to hate for them . I try not to judge them and their situation. Its not normal and I hope the truth does come out .

[@gwynluv5447]

I truly don't understand, from a logic standpoint, how his family can possibly believe she did this. I can only assume that they are so badly wanting to blame someone, and they've been manipulated by his coworkers to believe anything they say because they couldn't possibly be involved in murdering their "brother". I feel badly for them and I hope someday justice is served, but it won't be by convicting Karen Read.

[@lynnmarch7071]

💯 Agree with you ❤

[@Anon204-h8u]

Don’t forget, they’re up against Boston Police.

[@abigailb333]

Why do I feel gaslit AF after the Commonwealths closing…..AJ made me cry!

[@torijade2246]

Same!

[@sandtats]

So much for a record fast verdict. Thankfully they're taking their time, going over the evidence, being thoughtful in their deliberations.

[@DyslecticAttack]

I expected nothing less tbh. I know that if I was on this jury that I'd want to see the videos pertaining to the taillight myself before anything else. And if they want to check more stuff, then you will spend hours going over it repeatedly so that all 12 people in the room are satisfied.

[@carrieblink182]

Scares me a bit…obviously there are some that aren’t seeing things clearly

[@Lu-li1ei]

@@carrieblink182 I have the hunch they're debating the lesser charges, the defence did an amazing job planting doubt but with the state's contradictory caos of a case I bet the jury isn't clear in exactly what the prosecution is wrong

[@EmilyLZ25]

Even if I was sure (personally I would know I’m voting not guilty based on the evidence), it’s a big deal to either put someone in prison for possibly the rest of their life (as she has medical issues), or not giving a family the closure they deserve. I would at the very least sleep on it.

[@carrieblink182]

@@Lu-li1eiahh good point my fellow Law Nerd❤I’m a bit behind on todays court.

[@jennifermullen7471]

People left the Albert’s house after Karen was already back at John’s. No one saw him on the lawn. I just can’t see how she can be guilty.

[@jjsmama401]

I know. Think about it. Even if they were fighting, or not, he gets out of the car, and she drives off, then has time to back up 28 feet… all that time is he just standing there?

[@silikon2]

@@jjsmama401You're so silly. Obviously Karen deployed her dog to bite and drag John in the path of her SUV. I can't understand how you people can't see what a mastermind she is.

[@B_Bodziak]

​@@jjsmama401 If she hit him, especially on purpose as the CW is stating, she never would have made those phone calls berating him. That's not the action of a guilty person.

[@kerrijones6951]

​@@B_Bodziak right you'd think she'd at least not want to show how angry she was at him. Especially if she just ran him over. Smh .

[@bethlovesthings]

So true, but people claim to have seen KR / her car and even then, all claim they didn't hear or see anything to indicate any sort of incident or collision.

[@enimagus8281]

I find it interesting the cameraman decided to include Mr. Albert in the defense’s frame and tightened on Lally during the CW’s closing.

[@janacoll2312]

I must say I watched the closing twice ! Defence AJ done a brilliant job 🎉

[@smileymama04]

I missed this morning! I have been here every single day ! At the vet with my fur baby ( he had a seizure this morning) 😢 Please please 🙏 anyone seeing this say a prayer for my Cokes I’m a hot mess ! 😭

[@anietiddens9610]

Oh no! Hope he is ok. I have a car with epilepsy and seizures are hard! Sending you hugs!

[@smileymama04]

@@anietiddens9610thank you thank you ! I have had experience with this ( didn’t make things any less dramatic) Waiting to see the doctor . Thank you thank you 🙏 ❤

[@chesneymigl4538]

Oh no! I know they look very scary, but it's kind of like what you would do with a person. Just make sure there's nothing they can hurt themselves on, talk to them to keep them calm, and call help if it doesn't stop after a minute. Lots of critters go on to do very well on anti-seizure meds. Hope this was a random one-off and that you and your baby feel better.

[@juliegass9746]

Praying for your fur baby

[@SparklingRutabaga]

Hoping your fur baby is doing ok and feeling better. My girl Gilda was recently diagnosed with epilepsy but she’s doing great! I know how scary those seizures are. Gilda and I are keeping your fur baby in our thoughts and hearts 💞

[@NerdDogMom]

“You can’t deny the science and the physics”

[@hope7144]

EPIC !

[@katejarman4598]

Prosecution’s arguments just weren’t ‘sciency’ to quote master A.J!

[@johns1625]

Apparently I am smarter than the commonwealth because they could have easily explained the discrepancies by saying Karen only hit him hard enough to break the tail light and knock him onto his head, then he crawled through the yard holding his phone in his hand and died in the cold after losing consciousness. It's like they didn't even bother trying to explain any of it. The only evidence that she hit him at all is the tail light plastic being in the place where it was found and even that doesn't make sense.

[@ravenzyblack]

@@johns1625 - The only problem with that is again no DNA on any of the tail light pieces, no blood. it also doesn’t account for all the abrasions on his right arm. No road rash just abrasions.

[@B_Bodziak]

I found it very impactful when AJ said the prosecution had the same access to the two experts just like the defense did. I wish he'd said, "Sure makes you wonder why they didn't call either of them..."

[@ashleycisper-cox3672]

Damn! That closing was unreal! AJ is such a phenomenal advocate. Made for TV type of argument right there!

[@SissouLoveVideo]

Yanetti gave us a masterclass of an opening, and now Jackson gives us a closing masterclass !

[@rudolfaligierski3043]

2:11:16 closing. And even now Lally is more concerned with disproving defense than showing his case...

[@Feral_Phoenix]

This case *_screams_* reasonable doubt. Anything other than *Not Guilty* would be a travesty of justice. My heart goes out to the O'Keefe family... I don't think they can ever get real justice for John's murder. 😢

[@bananabama20]

I can’t imagine how angry they will be if(WHEN) she’s found not guilty. The whole thing has been so obviously mishandled and now they have been fed lies by people closest to them. How do you accept their version of events when the court has shown all of their own evidence is suspicious. They are still sitting with the Albert’s. I wonder when they turn on them, or even if.

[@joannetenhoeve8664]

That's who I feel bad for, there will be no justice for John or his family.

[@googleuser2226]

unfortunately there have been a TON of cases lately where juries have convicted on emotion without facts/evidence.

[@Really........]

The prosecution's case screams reasonable doubt, the evidence screams not guilty.

[@joshkeeling82]

The family will have justice as soon as Karen is found guilty

[@junerittenhouse-sanmiguel5867]

Anyone else keep refreshing the Law Nerd app all day? I’m so curious 😮

[@jobo3742]

Gonna say it again. The snow plow driver is so lucky those banshees shifted the blame to karen. They never expected her to fight back. That man would be buried under a jail by now if Karen hadn't gone looking for John.

[@annamelvina216]

His nickname is Lucky! First name iz Brian, so... In this town it makes sense he'd go for a nickname.

[@Pray4USA]

What? You are saying the snow plow driver did it and the town covered for him? I never thought of that. What makes you believe that?

[@kris6198]

​​@Pray4USA no, I think they are saying that he is lucky because they would have pinned it on him instead of Karen.

[@B_Bodziak]

​@@Pray4USA I think the comment means that if they couldn't have figured out a way to pin it on Karen, they'd have gone after the plow driver because the Albert's and Proctor sure weren't going to treat 34 Fairview as a crime scene. A snow plow accident would have been the easiest to blame

[@rkc8588]

@@Pray4USA it’s possible the plow man could have been blamed but Karen got to the scene frantically

[@everyone4244]

The prosecutor saying “it’s the little things” over and over in closing pissed me off. It wasn’t the little things that made Proctor determine it was a vehicle collision COD within hours of the crime!

[@lukerobeson9957]

Alan Jackson, hats off to you, your closing was phenomenal.

[@LawNerd_702]

Jackson was able to get a few good comments (shots at witness) but listening to Jackson be able to let it rip is absolutely well placed snark! What an amazing performance and amazing attorney he is! I Stan Alan!

[@maplemel3072]

Love your dedication to the Law Nerds Emily! Streaming while traveling , we appreciate you ❤️

[@artofvoice]

Just look awaaaaay. The blue wall metaphor was so good.

[@melissataylor5400]

Jacksons closing was 🔥.. I'm having a hard time finishing lallys or even paying attention to it TBH

[@allisonbraun9976]

Not passionate at all. Just regurgitating a timeline.

[@rachjohnson3073]

Same!!

[@amie8400]

I have so such a dislike for the prosecution that I’m struggling to listen to their closing argument. I’m just disgusted by this case! WHY ARE WE HERE?

[@helen6191]

hopefully the jury feel the same way.

[@sunflower9481]

Same. I felt physically irritated as soon as he started talking

[@whoever6458]

Brian Albert looks like he's going to have a heart attack listening to Jackson close.

[@moonbaby1969]

Yep I watched Brian Albert vs watching AJ… he was uncomfortable and can we say fidgety.

[@hnraj9441]

He has looked nervous and guilty to me every time he has been in court.

[@Pray4USA]

I listen to the Behavior Panel. They are Body Language Experts. I would love to know their opinion on him.

[@21Michichi]

@@Pray4USAI suggest the video debunking behavioral analyst youtubers by mündcat (John Oliver also did one) I didn't want to watch the video because of how much I loved Observe but I'm glad I did

[@sutarikun]

I still think it's SUPER suspicious that for how close Jen McCabe said she was trying to get to Karen they didn't have each other's phone numbers.

[@Pray4USA]

That surprised me too!

[@noreenmountain2994]

Seeing the family sitting with the Alberts gets me thinking. I wonder, if after seeing all the evidence, what they must be thinking. Are they having doubts about their "friends"? What a horrible situation for them. I hope they find some peace

[@cobyjames4691]

When the judge told him he run out of time, Lally flicked past 4 pages of his arguments. He had another 4/5 pages he would have gone through.

[@melaniedeserres2972]

That’s because just like his case, he wasn’t prepared

[@melaniedeserres2972]

That’s because just like his case, he wasn’t prepared

[@LilMomma_1]

it comes down to ONE question and ONE question only. Did she hit him with the car? if they all think she did not, then NG it is. Plain and simple (from my computer at home that is). If they end up with Guilty, i would LOOOOOVE to know/understand their reasoning b/c I don't know how you get past beyond a reasonable doubt that she hit him with her car.

[@Girl-Mom221]

My boyfriend has cheated many times. He used to leave his son with me while he was out with other women because he knew I would take care of him and would be less likely to know what he was doing. If he would’ve died on one of those nights I would be in the same situation as Karen. I think the calls that night, the voicemails and the texts are just normal in that situation.

[@Atalinay]

I appreciate your comment. Thats a shitty thing to go through. I think there is lack of nuance in internet spaces and the need for victims to be 'perfect' is a bad standard that is often employed.

[@MyDestinyDear]

Facts. And even if she is just a bad person it doesn’t mean she’s a murderer. Even if she was just petty and told him that she left his kids alone while staying there just to make him upset or to antagonize him or just makes her a bad person. Not a murderer

[@marsy1480]

Those last 5 mins from Mr Jackson brought tears to my eyes. All throughout I had chills. The skill is amazing.

[@tqueen7131]

Those text messages weren't helpful like he thinks if I was on that jury. Her telling him his kids are alone was so he would answer her I think. She hoped it would get him to respond or come home. That's how these panicked messages come off to me.

[@MELmo_21]

The EDB withdrawal is kicking in!

[@karolinakv]

I came to this chat to find support for the withdrawal and found it. 😅❤

[@madcitywendy]

The prosecution seems to be closing from a defensive posture. It’s embarrassing.

[@PrettyEyezT]

Keep your enemies close is all i can think of when seeing BA CA N JM sittinh with the Okeefes

[@FlyingTeaRex]

All this testimony about snow for this!? Even a room-temperature body will melt snow beneath it… 😑

[@bettertomorrow2625]

The prosecution's closing is so uninsipred. This whole case stinks to high heaven imo.

[@madcitywendy]

Wow defense closing is electric!

[@noluthandongcola1969]

Can't help but think had Karen walked into that house to go find John, she would've also faced the same fate as him.

[@transient_man]

Lally using Karen not contacting the family when it was one of the conditions of her bail is just disgusting to me. He’s flailing at this point to make her seem guilty regardless, but a prosecutor using dirty tricks like this is unacceptable.

[@silikon2]

I missed this part. What was he saying about her taking her suv to her parents house... like she's hiding the "murder weapon"?? I kind of think lots of people go to their parents when something terrible happens... I'm not sure if this trial is an episode of the Twilight Zone or Black Mirror.

[@zaly5640]

Replay. They should have let the lady close. I have rewound at least 3 sections to relisten after realising I can hear Lallys voice but my brain has switched off and is not processing his words.

[@scruff3760]

Same, he just drones on and on, all I’ve heard is snow and lists of names who gave shady testimony

[@katharineshade9550]

Ditto. Whereas with Jackson I was hanging onto every word.

[@stephwiller9089]

I've never heard of the defence going first. Edit: Strongest closing I've ever seen from a defence. That was impressive.

[@jackielk]

It’s the states case, they get heard first and last in MA. I don’t know if it’s different elsewhere.

[@carrieblink182]

In WI, State goes first, then Defense, then State gets to do a rebuttal closing. It’s weird for me to see Defense go first too.

[@Princelover-ip4gn]

Jackson went first, then Lally. There is no rebuttal in MA🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

[@hopejanette]

Alan jacksons closing was so good. I was hooked and almost missed getting ready for my doctors appt because i didnt want to miss a minute of it.

[@heatherdoke]

Emily,THANK YOU so much for the past 10 weeks of trial. You are FABULOUS ! My best friend and I chose to watch you all day instead of shopping last week. I chose you over shopping, that’s huge. 😅❤

[@amyrushent8400]

Both closings were tough to watch, for drastically different reasons. Jackson was confident, energised, and laid out everything in the case with clarity and passion. I felt sad and emotional for everything that Karen Read has gone through, and for John O'Keefe who has clearly not had justice. Whereas, Lally was trying to string together some semblance of a case that has been thoroughly decimated over the course of 8 weeks - it was cringeworthy.

[@mxnjones]

I was hoping we'd end the day with an EDB Storytime...you know, to calm the nervous Law Nerds. 😂 In all seriousness, get some rest...we ride in the AM, towards a verdict!

[@hathhath2444]

UK replay crew here. Starting this stream knowing jury went home after just 3 hrs of talks isn't what people expected. Will be interesting to see how it developed in the stream. But I am glad jurors take time to consider everything, John's family deserves it.

[@nellyvieira9496]

Emily, did you miss the part that John's pho e took 33 steps at 12:32am?? His phone did NOT stop moving at 12:25am. His timeliness is all off. Furthermore, he has now adjusted his theory that she hit him at 12:45 to now at 12:25. Give me a break

[@Catherine-cd6oi]

All this and we still don’t know what happened to John

[@carrieblink182]

Unfortunately, I don’t think anyone ever will. Evidence was so compromised or not even obtained. Unless someone spills and whatever evidence they have can corroborate

[@VivRavn]

Lally's closing arguments sounded like a summary of an episode of The Bachelor, someone has or hasn't kissed someone else, she said this he said that. Seriously Lally, do you think the victim deserves this? I actually got angry, as throughout this whole trial this anger is a constant every time Lally got distracted with petty quarrels and statements instead of what happened to the victim! And apparently he thinks that what someone said Karren Reed said is enough evidence to put her in jail for murder...

[@kyleekollar7098]

I found AJ's closing very precise and clear. Listening to Lally is the complete opposite.

[@sandtats]

How did Super Star Jackson's crosses and closing work for his most "celebrated" client, Harvey Weinstein?

[@kyleekollar7098]

​@sandtats, what does that case have to do with this one? I'm speaking on these particular closings.

[@MarisaAndChew]

Anyone else cry listening to Jackson? I'm only like 5 minutes in and I'm teary BC the injustice is so obvious

[@reginaford2285]

Yes!😢

[@SandyKnauerMorgan]

I sobbed at the end because I sensed that his passion was 💯 sincere. It comforted me in a surprising way.

[@AmandaCoburn-b3z]

Yes your not alone 🙈

[@francinelarsen3303]

AJ won the battle of closings.

[@jeannevera6893]

I love your commentary during the lawyers closing, I think you are so intelligent and perceptive. This is a very interesting case it would make a good movie! 🔦⚖️ Thank you

[@Take_Me_Back_To_The_1980s]

I hate how the prosecution can just include lesser charges at the last minute, while having argued something different for weeks. You should have to decide in advance what your narrative is, not change it as your BS case falls apart

[@hiyaimjenni]

It was my understanding that neither side requested the lesser charge. The judge decided to include it. I could be wrong though.

[@crystalfarmer4074]

​@@hiyaimjenni if that's the case then for me personally it leans to her being bias against the defense. If thats the case then in my personal opinion she wants Karen Read convicted and Lally didn't prove any of the other charges so she is throwing that in to try and give the jury something she feels Lally did prove to convict on. Just my opinion.

[@heartpaws519]

Brian, Jen & Colin sitting there during Mr. Jackson's Closing Arguments look like: Exhibit A, Exhibit B and Exhibit C !!!!! 😁

[@amandalouise3597]

I was attacked by a dog similar to a German Shepard while I was walking down the street. I was bit in the arm and back, lasted maybe a minute before I could get the dog off of me. My sweatshirt was ripped in both places. The marks looked just like John’s arm.

[@goose7574]

3:09:00 Lally you can't have it both ways... if the ground was solid and icy like you want to claim, there's no way that Karen could've backed up like you said. Her car would've slid on "ice" even with AWD and traction control. 🙄

[@Princelover-ip4gn]

He certainly massaged the facts in his closing!

[@cheekarp2180]

"The size of a salad plate".. You Americans and odd way of determining size!

[@beepboop8374]

Bananas. Bananas is the internet’s measurement. How many bananas big is it. 😂

[@hatchet1013]

My personal favorite: a small boulder the size of a large boulder! (It was a typo, the small boulder was actually the size of a large car)

[@meridithg.42]

I can't imagine how the jury feels now that they have time to actually talk about the fuckery in this case.

[@vee_tinymoose]

2:32 the defense tech methodically packing away his kit while Lally blathered on

[@louem2491]

Even Lally sounds bored with Lally

[@deannasedlock8308]

I work from home now & im so happy I can watch live with you!!!

[@terseameyer381]

What a trial. Thank you Emily. Lots of love from South Africa 🇿🇦

[@ErinStudio]

I HATE the accident daddy billboard, it's everywhere in LA and I keep thinking, 'you don't get to call yourself a daddy.' Also, the billboard doesn't make me think "personal injury attorney" because all I see is a basketball.

[@darcymoon2109]

Why is he talking about a president when he has no time left?

[@maciarcher3991]

I haven’t seen any of the after court day to day interviews they’ve been getting of Karen/defense. It would be a really fun live to watch them together while we’re on verdict watch ❤️🙏🏼

[@MarisaAndChew]

I love that butt dials made it to closing! Also, if anyone has tried to butt dial BC of this trial on an iPhone please let us know how that worked for you? 💜💜💜

[@annyfyreagle7973]

And the whole character assassination = murder

[@Princelover-ip4gn]

I received 2 “pocket dials” on Saturday. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

[@MarisaAndChew]

@@Princelover-ip4gn from iPhones? At first I was thinking maybev the calls were accidentally "Siri call Brian" type of things but when every iPhone in Canton was being dialed with a butt I lost that thought! Any chance you were called via voice? I have Android and Google can sometimes think I'm talking to her

[@Princelover-ip4gn]

@@MarisaAndChew it is actually my 90 year old dad. He disowned me in 2020, swearing to never speak to me again “as long as he lives!” However he dials me “by accident” a few times every month. He hangs up before I answer or as soon as I do. He doesn’t answer my calls and actually has the nerve to “block” me from calling him back. I would laugh if it wasn’t so pitifully absurd. He called me and hung up before I could answer twice in the same minute. The previous month he didn’t hang up and I started yelling “WHY DO YOU CALL ME!” I should have just said some lunatic has been harassing me with hang up “accidental” calls for the last 4 years. Sorry I didn’t mean to over share 🤷🏻‍♀️ Free KR💜

[@brynnleapierce5600]

Competence + the pleasure to gaze upon (Dr. Wolfe was a perk)❤ I actually found the ARCA team beyond impressive 👌

[@lisagomes3755]

I’m looking forward to joining you and following along with you with the Baldwin case

[@GenuineUntelligence]

I'm not gonna say which closing I found more convincing, but I will say that the defense hour seemed to run out pretty quickly, and I spent about half the prosecution closing wondering why the judge hadn't given Lally his 5 minute warning yet...

[@beulahboi]

If I never hear a Lally throat clear ever again it'll be too soon.

[@jo.randall]

Or the constant and maddening uh... Uh...uh...uh

[@aidab7258]

He shouldve mentioned the red solo cups full of blood right next to the lexus in the sally port.

[@PJ_222]

I am proudly Announcing to the FKR family ❤the birth of my Grandson "Beau" 8lbs 8oz delivered during Jackson's closing! My daughter Aprile & Beau are doing great 👍 what a blessing! I watched the closing while pacing 😂 Verdict will be "Not Guilty" those not a Karen fan ...No hating please

[@lynneb620]

Congratulations !

[@Princelover-ip4gn]

Congrats on your new grandson 💜💜💜💜

[@Pray4USA]

Congratulations!! 🎉🎉🎉

[@sarcasticcatlady2036]

@@PJ_222 congratulations 🎉

[@anitrachere7024]

Congratulations!!! 🎊🎉 🎊

[@glynn2023]

Emily can you do a live update on what is going on? It’s taking a while and it’s quiet I’m getting nervous 😮

[@rinacooper3116]

EDB, I actually did sit on a jury that I knew the judge in LA Co. it was a civil case and both attorney’s agreed that they were okay with it. Darn it!

[@jenneroc]

Replay crew! Thank you, Emily!

[@lukerobeson9957]

Lally’s timeline would have been helpful to understand their case earlier. But it’s also filled with so many irrelevant points he’s using as ‘facts’ to prove guilt. He wants the jury to focus on the little things. That’s because his case has no big things like the defences case.

[@Jenna_xraydragon]

This is the grand finale folks❤❤ thanks EDB!😊

[@mfd25wife]

It feels like the "McAlberts" are staring at the jurors to intimidate them. Why show up today, especially Colin? Especially after their antics last night.

[@spacecadet76]

It is unsettling and freaky

[@emmablackwood2303]

What happened last night?

[@KaylaJ32]

Just a hypothetical: Karen and John end up in an argument while out in the street, parked. Goes for a few minutes. John gets out, still arguing. Karen possibly wants to go home, because it's getting late, never planned on staying over, and the storm is starting. She goes to drive off. He throws the glass at the car and "cracks" (no shatters) the taillight. Maybe she backs up to confront him, but he huffy himself into the house, so she drives off. Jen may have seen the exchange and got Higgins and Albert to funnel him to the basement a short ways away from the front door. Maybe to calm him down. Albert has the dog, having got her from upstairs and all that. But John stays agitated. One of two things could have made it worse. 1. Karen revealed the flirtations with Higgins just before driving off. 2. Higgins revealed something and chastised John for how he was yelling at Karen. A scuffle ensues between Higgins and John, dog bites John, so Albert gets into the middle of it. At some point John takes a massive blow to the back of the head. NOW, if it had been accidental in a scuffle, little impact on the men would have likely happened. I mildly doubt such a big cover up for a dog, but it's even somewhat possible. WHICH means, something was likely intentional, and one or both of them were in massive trouble, and were prominent members of the community. And as they're debating what to do, John essentially expires. Going off that they had maybe seen the exchange outside, glass being thrown, and relatively where the car was during the exchange, or Jen did and told them about it. A plan begins to form. They bring Jen into it, or maybe she was also downstairs. At this point, John is likely near death from the brain swelling. They drag him outside, into the back yard, hidden, just in case someone comes to the basement. OR maybe they left him in basement for a while. Everyone leaves over time, no one sees a body. At some point, Jen calla John's phone a bunch, presumably to find it. (Stair data going down, none coming up, someone could have tossed it up to someone on outside stairs) Higgins does his stuff at PD. Butt dials galore. Jen gets restless, and is unsure if John was truly dead yet (especially if they did indeed take him outside), and Google searches the hos phrase. Realizes her mistake and tries to correct it. White SUV the plow driver saw eventually comes, they drag the body out. Straight out from back gates, where car blocks cameras etc. Jen calls them and tells them Karen's coming to her. So they scramble and either have to abandon the plan to get him elsewhere, or they had already planned to stage him near the curb around the flagpole. Knowing where the fight had happened. White SUV leaves. Karen finds him. And eventually Higgins comes back. And no direct phone data extracted to know locations on either Higgins or Albert. Anyways, thanks for reading. Was just curious how they knew where to place him, if the cover up is closer to the truth.

[@richelle7211]

Throughout the trial, I pictured that at any moment the jury would stand up and shout out: "Go home Karen. We're done here."

[@taraberg]

With all the corruption in this city, I am concerned about juror payoff…

[@hillaryclinton1314]

Trooper proctor.. adjective.. to destroy your own career while throwing everybody else under the bus.

[@akcmommy5]

I was surprised by the CW photos of the tail light side by side. It doesn't jive with the testimony of the Dighton police officer saying that the taillight was only cracked. (scratching head)

[@nikoletakonstantaki5068]

I literally I am trying so hard to pay attention to lallys closing, but … I can’t he is literally confusing me still even with a timeline.

[@slavicandsapphic7446]

I think its on purpose too so people doubt their memory on the case :/

[@nyc1087]

Those are two ways literally don’t need to be used. Not sure you can be figuratively trying 😂 sorry, not trying to be rude. Just hopefully helping you realize literally is overused and used incorrectly. Total pet peeve of mine.

[@hnraj9441]

​@@nyc1087popular use becomes the correct use in language. I think the connotative meaning of "literally" has changed beyond the ability to claw it back at this point 😅

[@nikoletakonstantaki5068]

@@hnraj9441 thank you thank you.❤️😊 Shakespeare walked so we could run.

[@nikoletakonstantaki5068]

@@slavicandsapphic7446 I started falling asleep. 😅 and mid way I was like wait hold up? What did he just say. That’s not how I interpreted that. And the thing is though, his timeline is not even helpful, because so many witnesses of his had different timelines so he could pick and choose certain times that he wanted from individual witness testimony.

[@judyjaspers1313]

I wonder if someone will write a book about this case🧐

[@treekitty3136]

💜 Replay Crew here. Just watching now. Haven't seen anything on it yet. 6:09 here on the PNW. My fear is they will give her the lesser charge as a consolation to the family. 💜

[@KnitzyKitzy]

Lally starting claiming she said she hit him in front of witnesses all I can think of is this evidence turning up much later and being disputed by many witnesses that it was only could I have hit him. It just makes me think more about how inaccurate and manipulated everything given as evidence by the prosecution has proven to be.

[@aidab7258]

also, I watched brian higgins testimony again and he slipped saying he went upstairs to look at photos when the photos were on the first floor (meaning he wouldve had to been in the basement.

[@adriannabcustomfurniture]

I love how Lally started his closing by LYING, continued to lie through his closing and ended it with...say it with me...a lie. 🤬 The gaslighting is real.

[@laurasalmon706]

I was nearly shouting at my screen, a time line based on incorrect times that have been admitted by the people that noted them as typos. Urgh at lally