MA. v Karen Read Trial Day 5 Morning -Defense Accuses witness of perjury. Evidence in Solo Cups

[@jannettejohnson7578]

Starting a fundraiser page for canton police department. Please donate plastic cups, shopping bags, old tents, leaf blowers.

[@missvickimae1150]

😩😂

[@luciawilke5470]

And new wiper blades. Body cams would be nice too!

[@katiehettinger7857]

I love a bit of salt. 😉👍💜

[@jannettejohnson7578]

@@luciawilke5470if they get issued bodycams they would probably all resign.

[@Schnauzerpatrol]

Red solo cups😂

[@serenab17]

If this is how Canton investigates a fellow officer’s death, I can’t imagine how they investigate a citizen’s death.

[@JodeneWeber]

Retired FBI agent here. This is appalling. A travesty to any victim but to a fellow officer? Unconscionable.

[@LegalTubes]

Thank God an unbiased FBI individual speaking out

[@CSTeears-68]

This is Just sooooo weird

[@CSTeears-68]

If you barely knew a fellow cop & you knew they were hurt & went to the hospital - We would have been knocking on every door down the street to see if someone saw something weird the night before

[@barbdixon7785]

Retired Mountie here. I completely agree. This is an utter joke.

[@HeatherB81]

Right??! 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@breannaburney4178]

If the defendant didn't have $$ no one would know how bad this case actually is

[@annamelvina216]

I hate how true this is 🫠

[@timroberts6695]

Sadly in America justice is only for those who can pay for it.

[@stigma3343]

Happens every day

[@mexicanvanilla_629]

I hate how true this is… You hear some of these public defenders speak, and you think “how the hell am I not a lawyer?” The stupidity and incompetence of people that are supposed to handle the fate of other humans beings, is outrageous… Our justice system is f*cked

[@007nadineL]

The defandant doesn't have money. Thirsty lawyers decided to help her out

[@carolynwisser3322]

I have a forensic science degree and I am absolutely appalled by the first witness. I don’t understand how you could trust any of that evidence. It’s entirely compromised. If I was the state crime lab tech that showed up to take custody of that evidence I would be calling my supervisor.

[@Mountaingoat4234]

Yeah that's completely unacceptable and such a disrespect to the victim.

[@missvickimae1150]

Exactly why this should never have been brought to trial but do I understand his family is influential and kinda driving that bus?

[@shkrjam84]

@@missvickimae1150I don’t know yet that they believe she’s the one that did this. The mother of the victim was seen saying “nope” in unison with the defense attorney as he went through his opening and got to the second round of saying that when asked if the Albert family/office Albert would be investigated, Proctor’s answer was “nope,” because he’s a cop, too.

[@firstlight7419]

Absolutely

[@whoever6458]

As a biologist myself, I was also doing a massive facepalm at the cop saying he was afraid the weather would ruin the evidence when I'm sure we both know that the freezer if often the right place TO preserve cells since cold slows chemical processes down. Instead, this particle physicist of a cop uses a leaf blower! If it was me, I would have shoveled the area and taken the evidence, snow and all, to the forensics lab. I have no idea if this is the proper way to do things but it seems like, at the very least, it would have been a better way to get all the evidence to the scene. In all honesty, I think this cop who testified first today was definitely one of the people who planted, obscured, or otherwise tampered with the evidence in this case. There's no doubt in my mind that someone did and the evasiveness I've seen in several witnesses makes me think that this case was botched on purpose to protect someone. It makes me think of those cases where dirty cops take revenge again the few honest cops who report them for being crooked.

[@kapkone]

My jaw is on the floor with this case. She could be guilty but the mismanagement of the investigation and the prosecution is just beyond credulity

[@LettieB75]

💯 i keep thinking the same thing. And Officer John o Keefe will not get the justice he deserves. Outragious!!!

[@Sunnshinne35281]

Absolutely. I personally don’t believe she’s guilty, but none of us can know for certain what actually happened that night. But I can’t see how she could ever be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I’m literally embarrassed for the prosecution that this is what they have to work with.

[@MassBorn]

She's not one incling guilty the pd botched it to save the dB who owned the house they whole case is a disgrace to the badge and a disgrace to a fallen brother of blue sick sick sick

[@whyamiheredlb]

Guilty of what? This is the thing, even it she did hit him (which I find wholly improbable) it would have been an accident, MAYBE unintentional vehicular manslaughter, but certainly not a homicide or premeditated murder.

[@wendyc1902]

​​@@Sunnshinne35281 The wounds his brother described seeing at the hospital are NOT even close to someone being hit by a car! And the way the blood is in various spots on the ground looks like the fight happened right there!!! That glass was likely thrown at the back of his head!!

[@thatrealwebsitegirl]

we were concerned that the wind was blowing the snow around too much on the crime scene, so we decided what we needed was more wind.

[@sugarnspice2930]

Shouldn't the police have at least knocked on the door while the EMTs were working on him to see if anyone in the house knew anything?

[@karoliina6049]

Exactly

[@lashannon3668]

I'm just lost for words that this didn't happen! Can a cover up be more clearer?!

[@rhiannon7163]

You don't need probable cause if you have an innocent cooperate homeowner

[@Alison1973]

Right!!!????

[@DuneKat]

I’m former law enforcement-/ You have a gravely injured police officer in the front yard of a house where he was supposed to be going to a party - that is PC to knock on the door and ask questions (not necessarily enough to enter at that point) but definitely to ask the homeowner to come out and answer questions !

[@LynetteP150]

In my neighborhood, if a police officer was leaf-blowing snow in a front yard behind crime scene tape, all of us would be sitting on our porches, drinking coffee, watching.

[@lysaoldhams1509]

And rolling video of that shizz show don’t forget!

[@RozeechildRN]

Seriously!! Whenever there are lights, be it a fire truck, ambulance, or cops the entire neighborhood is out. It's the one time all of us come together and talk bring nosey.

[@whoever6458]

If the cop was doing it behind crime scene tape and in uniform being filmed by another officer, I'd think it was a joke or that they were filming a scene for a movie or something. I'd probably sit on the porch and start filming it too. Might even make a meme out of it. lol

[@annsmith185]

I hope they dumped the beer out of the Solo cups first!

[@whoever6458]

@@annsmith185 Hahahaha me too!

[@sharples25]

Watching on replay…Cups and shopping bag!! actually feeling quite sad for the victim that the collection of evidence seems to have been given such little consideration and care. 😢

[@wonder5487]

Yes, I couldn't believe what I as seeing!

[@AGlimmerofHealth]

Something fishy here. @EDB needs to write the screenplay.

[@Chloe.zyxwvu]

Seems like a small community where they know each other, or are too casual about things. If it’s true that Karen Read made a confession, or had openly said, I hit him, they were probably too casual or too taken with one of their own being a victim to take proper steps. And here we are. From open and shut case to circus.

[@fairgreen42]

I have the bad feeling that those cops considered very well, how they handled the evidence. 😬

[@KristenFitz21]

@@Chloe.zyxwvuthe how long to die in cold google search by Jen McCabe and autopsy photos showing the victim strongly appears as though he was beaten very badly and attacked by a dog opened my eyes.

[@randamgrrl]

The Detective Lt. lived across the street from the crime scene and didn't look out a window? Make an appearance? This is WILD y'all.

[@missvickimae1150]

Berry spishus if u ask meeee

[@KristenFitz21]

He claims his ring camera picked up nothing. Direct shot of the alleged hit. Then again three federal quantico trained experts found that Officer O’Keefe was not hit by any vehicle.

[@jitkavesela3792]

He was cleaning the house after a party. 😂

[@Eyes4Eternity]

Replay crew…the more I watch this trial, the more I think that this case should never have been prosecuted but the prosecutor was forced to by someone.

[@katiehettinger7857]

I wonder want did the prosecutor present to the grand jury to get this case to trial.

[@annm9589]

This is what I think as well. Lally does not seem to me to have his heart in it. I could be wrong, I have not seen him in other trials.

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

@@katiehettinger7857LIES AND A BULLSHIT INVESTIGATION. The entire investigation was beyond horriable and not 1 protocol was even followed by the looks and sounds of it.

[@bathingcatsonacloudyday]

Lally seems to be going through the motions, doing the bare minimum

[@wldncrzy1971]

Amen!

[@ann5028]

How does this investigator have zero shame?! Wild. The defense’s argument is way stronger after this morning

[@michaelhayden5203]

If a dead body on the front lawn isn’t probable cause, WTF IS?!

[@luciawilke5470]

And the way the cop said that! 😮

[@katiehettinger7857]

​@@luciawilke5470That's his excuse and he's sticking to it. 🙄

[@Sacgirl03]

This whole thing is a joke. Why didn’t they even try to get a search warrant? All the judge could do was deny it. Why didn’t they ask for consent?? All the people could say was no. A dead body on the lawn isn’t PC? Come on now.

[@Ji5-24]

Police have strict guidelines to follow. Just because John was found at the front side next to their lawn does not necessarily equate to the people that owned the home being involved. So he was right to say that…..that is how it works. If people don’t like it, go complain to the government to change the laws…..I’m sure we all wouldn’t like it if LE were allowed to invade our privacy and raid our homes because someone was found injured around our homes. Remember no crime was proven to have been committed at that point and he wasn’t pronounced dead. Everyone was more concerned with trying to save his life and LE did go to the home later to interview them.

[@benmurray5048]

Exactly. The guy gets dropped off there and ends up dead on the front lawn. It’s not like John wasn’t supposed to be there. If that’s not probable cause then I don’t see how anything could be deemed probable cause.

[@shelby477]

I can't believe I ever thought I wasn't smart enough to go into law. This handling of this case from the investigation to the prosecution is appalling. This investigator not writing reports makes about as much sense as a nurse not charting. WTF?

[@Llinga]

i work in proteomics- I lost my ever-loving mind at the solo cups- 1, they are non-sterile so will contain DNA from the workers at the manufacturing plant, 2 they are not DNA grade plastic - or glass (so will leach metal ions and plasticisers which interfere with the PCR- also interferents from from being non-sterile- also half your sample will stick to the damn cup) 3, they have been handled by a dozen ppl after the samples were taken in an... interesting fashion and they are not sealed ( sticking it in paper bags do not count) so even more contamination after the sample has been ... acquired

[@katiehettinger7857]

Didn't anyone one have a ziplock bag. They're steril and can be closed and sealed. The open cups can be accessed to dab blood on Karen's vehicle. ☹️

[@carolynwisser3322]

@@katiehettinger7857he says that they didn’t want to drive back to the station for plastic evidence bags. Just mind blowing.

[@chelseaoconnor3261]

This! The fact that he was claiming they were “sealed in an evidence bag” is so far from the truth it’s borderline perjury. Putting them in a paper bag even folded over on itself is not the same thing as putting something into a sealed evidence bag.

[@shawnalambert7221]

I’m a native Bostonian and I am HORRIFIED at the incompetence at BEST. What in the actual F?

[@jo.randall]

As a non American and I am asking with pure curiosity so please don't take it as a slight because I mean absolutely no offense... Is this sort police investigation or law enforcement coverup common place for the area? How do local people feel about the way this has played out?

[@thatrealwebsitegirl]

as a resident of the south, i would like to thank this department for making SLED look like a premier law enforcement agency.

[@louhortonsculpture]

😂 yes.

[@helenk43]

The lack of respect shown for OFFICER O'Keefe by those I'd expect it from the most ie fellow police officers, is astounding!What an absolute shtshow of a so called investigation, I'm heartbroken and outraged for all Officer John O'Keefes family.He deserved better and so do they xxx

[@LettieB75]

💯

[@stellaallbright4750]

And Karen Read's life has been destroyed. Her life, no matter the outcome, will NEVER be the same. 💔

[@bonitabrunner9459]

I enjoy your reactions as much as the trial. It’s so refreshing to get authentic remarks instead of hum drum commentary. Thanks for all your work.

[@ThatRedhedd]

🔹️Everyone agreed John intended to go to the party @ 34 Fairview. *_Probable cause_* to search the residence exists when everyone says the party @ the residence is where he was headed & the front lawn is where he was found! 🔹️ 👉🏼 Had that house not belonged to a 1st responder, there's a 100% chance they would've determined they had probable cause to search it! 💯

[@LovetheLed]

I am in Texas, and you can be sure that house would have been cleared by police, the occupants taken to be interviewed separately and the house searched by CSI. Every door in the neighborhood would be knocked and every surveillance video between the bar and the residence taken into evidence. The chief across the street would have his ring footage taken and his “it was not working that day” crap would never fly. Officer OKeefe deserved the best possible investigation and he is referred to as “the body.” When an active duty officer is killed in Texas- the identity of the guilty individuals is irrelevant. The state police should have taken over the moment the officer was declared deceased. The victim and his family deserve the truth about exactly how he died. This is a sham.

[@2centswanted113]

​@@LovetheLedsadly the state police did, and the CW will not call him for his let's say....shotty job

[@katiehettinger7857]

​@@LovetheLedWould that be true if the possible suspects were fellow officers in a small town?

[@stigma3343]

​@@2centswanted113 the defense will call him

[@sonanyl5969]

⁠@@katiehettinger7857 I’m in Texas too and I’m not convinced of the accuracy of the above statement concerning Texas justice.

[@randomcat9975]

…the fact that the defense in a murder trial seems to care the most for the victim is not a great look for the prosecution. Grocery bags and red solo cups and leaf blowers…what the actual fuck?

[@shkrjam84]

If I was his family, I would be livid. And I would have a hard time believing anything the prosecution said, about Karen, about any of it. The pain they’re in during the 911 call 😭

[@wendyc1902]

Hey can y'all answer a question?! I'm playing catch up so forgive me, but when the Lieutenant said "the State crime Lab said no" because "the man wasn't technically dead", did the State know it was a law enforcement officer found (beaten to death) in the snow?! Because if they were informed it was a cop, then one would think it would be protocol to send SOMEONE out there, especially from a different PD?!?

[@shkrjam84]

@@wendyc1902 even if the state crime lab’s protocol was not to respond until after he was declared dead, the local cops could have still preserved the scene and treated it like a crime. The fact that they didn’t act in any way like a crime happened tells me they didn’t believe that Karen was declaring she did it.

[@wendyc1902]

@@shkrjam84 Yep, that's a good point.

[@ChristopherMichael180]

Regardless of the outcome of the trial, this police group operates horrendously and I hope the citizens of Canton self-advocate for massive police reform.

[@Chris-di6nl]

I wish Jackson had asked "If you had a loved one on trial for murder, how would you feel knowing the evidence that could either imprison them for life or exonerate them was handled in such a manner?"

[@kapkone]

Absolutely. I'm horrified for his family sitting listening to this

[@meganprice5124]

I think it's against legal rules to ask such questions

[@katiehettinger7857]

​@@meganprice5124I agree and think there would be an objection as well, but I understand the outrage at the way this scene was handled.

[@quokka_11]

Objection, calls for speculation.

[@nightowl8548]

It might get an objection, but the jury would still hear it!

[@PrincessPoohs]

“Sir, you’re finding yourself yourself right up there with Coroner Armpits right now” - Emily D Baker, National Fucking Treasure ❤😂

[@MisterRubbertoe]

The idea that cops couldn’t ASK to go thru the house, “because if they said no, we still would need a search warrant” was one of the stupidest answers I’ve heard given - and afaik nobody jumped all over it like they should have.

[@fazzolarijames]

No need to. The defense can quote this in their closing argument now, if they ask a clarifying question the poor answer might get ‘cleaned up’.

[@luciawilke5470]

The CW digs their hole deeper with each witness.

[@Lei-AICPhD]

How many videos have we seen of them storm through a home for less than those reasons? It was a cops house and they knew they couldn’t scare or threaten him into letting them in

[@Sacgirl03]

I don’t understand why they didn’t write up an affidavit and try to get a warrant. At least make the effort and see if the judge denies it. How is a dead body on the lawn not PC?

[@whoever6458]

I think we all know that if the cops found a body on any of our front lawns, they'd come barging into our house for a search no problem. Since the guy was probably dead in the snow for hours and a cop lived at that house, you'd think they would have been able to clean up any incriminating messes long before anyone came to investigate the death.

[@quokka_11]

I think the opening sidebah was the judge informing the teams that she'd like the exhibities renumbered in Roman numerals now.

[@scruff3760]

😂😂😂😂

[@onion456]

😂😂

[@milkdud4444]

This shouldn't be as funny as it is 😂😂

[@juliehinkel608]

Ha ha ha.

[@timroberts6695]

I thought South Carolina had dishonest cops and bad investigations then Canton MA comes along and says hold my beer.

[@zidapplip]

Hold my red solo cup*

[@louhortonsculpture]

Hold my beer, ok toss it out I need that cup for evidence collection.

[@treeze_it7800]

I love Emily hearing the case fresh as a juror would.

[@msh441]

Jesus, can they just send her home now? I mean the defense doesn’t need to put on a case at this point! Just a waste of time. It’s like watching someone beat up a kid in a wheelchair. It’s just brutally unfair, over the top, and everyone just wants it to stop!

[@Lines-n-Burrs]

Right, when it’s the defenses case I feel like they could just rest 😅

[@KristenFitz21]

This is the BEST statements I have read! Can we just send her home?!!!

[@lostsojourners6587]

I don’t think they believe she has mortgaged her future enough to pay for her defense and want to eke out every dime so she can be forever bankrupt.

[@ElWCont]

Ranking detective on the scene says they bring in the State cops for homicide scenes, but what about literally every other type of crime scene? Attempted murder? Robbery? Assault? Do they not process those crime scenes? Why would he know nothing about proper protocol? His testimony gave me way more questions than it did answers.

[@luciawilke5470]

And it probably never snows in Massachusetts, so he's never had to collect evidence or investigate anything with the white stuff on the ground and in the air. As for other types of crimes where every other police department collects evidence, the Canton PD uses an Ouija board to solve their cases.

[@pjhaze]

I hope people are starting to realize that the people aren’t just outside the court because we like Karen! It’s actually scary how bad this was handled. I wouldn’t have the resources to hire these lawyers so I would be in jail for this!!! The people want justice for John, his family, Karen and change for the rest of us. The same lead investigator is in charge of the other famous murder where the husband seems guilty. But if he’s corrupt?? It’s just awful

[@rebekahmanning7934]

What would justice even look like at this point? Because the evidence is so badly contaminated that the only thing that seems to be possible at this point is to prosecute Canton PD for the cover up, the mismanagement of evidence, etc.

[@monkeydance3894]

@@rebekahmanning7934a not guilty verdict at least

[@katiehettinger7857]

On day one whe Offiicer O'Keefe family members testified and they were sympathetic to Karen was the first clue something was wrong.

[@annm9589]

I feel they answered truthfully. Not all was in her favor, like her odd statements.

[@carolynwilson7806]

If this is how a high profile case is handled, I can’t imagine how it’s done when they don’t think they’ll be under scrutiny. This is so shameful! I’d be so embarrassed!

[@Alison1973]

I think this was handled so badly BECAUSE it was a high profile case. It's a cover up so obviously things are gonna be done unprofessional. If this was not a cover up, they would have knocked on that door and interviewed the ppl who were there the night of. Let's hope they would've anyway. 😳

[@mrss1053]

Yes, Emily the defense does seem outraged over how this investigation was run as Officer O'keefe deserved better. I am shocked at the manner this was investigated or rather, how badly this was investigated. The family sitting there in Court hearing all of this for probably the first time, must be reeling. I would be.

[@carliesmith3252]

On catch up. He sounds so proud of his leaf blower idea 😂

[@karoliina6049]

Yes! 😂

[@katiehettinger7857]

Gently removed layers of snow?🤦‍♀️ Really.? 😒👎

[@melissalindquist284]

The first time office leaf blower was interviewed was when? I almost fell off my couch

[@TheEmilyDBaker]

I am just shocked by that

[@ksineasttexas]

I know right?!!

[@PhoebeMc]

Jeff on Legal Vices calls the ceiling fan "Ceiling Dion." Lol!!

[@chrissyd4279]

That's hilarious!!!

[@sandyrice64]

😅😅

[@Tinkerbug]

Oh... I sprayed my coffee... 😂😂 brilliant

[@briannapinkney4966]

😂😂😂😂😂 obsessed

[@meridithg.42]

The way the authorities treated this enrages me no matter who the victim was, but it just baffles me completely that they would act like this when it's a police officer that died mysteriously.

[@Mountaingoat4234]

For real. If this is how they handle evidence when it's a police officer who's the victim, how sloppy do they handle the evidence when its regular citizens who are the victim?

[@stellaallbright4750]

Because he didn't die mysteriously.

[@katherineripley2967]

The judge is blowing this off and this is HUGE!

[@basicallyno1722]

Yes her demeanor is infuriating. Can she stop sighing please?!

[@Seashea]

She let up on the sighing quite a bit from last week

[@nightowl8548]

YES!! And how can her sighs and disregard NOT affect the jury?!

[@kassiopiajudkins2722]

​@@nightowl8548Supposedly the jury can't hear the Judge like we can.

[@HVACinthe973]

You can interpret the sighing as her overall disinterest in the case. As if to say, 🙄go already CW, keep wasting all our time. At least if I was on the jury that might be my read of the situation

[@hallieadams4225]

Reply ...I got the notification but didn't want to go to court today...it was snowing in my sleep.

[@colleenstacey2566]

Replay crew 🫶 Cross was absolutely wild!

[@PhoebeMc]

No, you're spinning!! 😅

[@annak8176]

I'm considering just watching cross after today 😂 The state questioning seems like a joke. Really interested now in what experts will say. Any expert that says that the way they handled the victim blood samples is OK and can be used as evidence should live his job.

[@jennmoslek921]

Already commented once BUT after seeing the photos of the Stop N Shop bag with the Solo cups...I can't even! What the actual fu$k???

[@wondergal4729]

I really love the defense's progression of evidence from the rear of the vehicle all the way up to the solo cups. The lead-up is genius!

[@lifelvr9509]

Through all of this, did no one in the neighborhood have a Ring camera? That would at least have shown if/when the defendant's car was in the area. Let me guess...the investigators never asked.

[@shkrjam84]

My understanding from other comments, the chief that lived across the street has a Ring camera that “wasn’t working” at the time. I’m trying to just see what’s coming in, but some of what’s known publicly slips into the comments. Can’t wait to hear about this on in court, if ever.

[@vickykirkland6629]

Omg . Replay crew here . Hello from a mcdonald's in the uk night crew . . We are listening to this while we are working. As soon as alan asked about this guy when he was interviewed... everyone said together ... WHATTTTTTTTT!!! . Unbelievable!

[@paperboat.pirate]

So my working theory while watching the trial is this: Something happened to O'Keefe in the house. He lifts his right arm in defense when Chloe, the dog, attacks and he falls backwards and hits his head hard. This causes a brain hemorrhage. With a brain hemorrhage, it's not uncommon that a person can walk around and feel okay for a short while - and then get tired and pass out (this, in fact, happened to someone in my family). So O'Keefe leaves the house on his own and the people in there (including Brian Albert & Jennifer McCabe) let him go. O'Keefe tries to call Karen/a taxi/someone but he passes out in the snow before he can even dial a number and never wakes up again. The people in the house see this and they form this plan to tell everyone that he was never there (so that the police can't get into the house bc no probable cause). Then Karen comes in with "I hit him!" or "I hit him?" and that is a super convenient thing for them. I totally recognize that there are some (even a lot of?) holes in this theory still but that's what I would think as a juror at this time. (sorry for any mistakes; English isn't my first language!)

[@abigailrodgers3602]

Honestly, it’s more plausible than anything the prosecution has put forth so far, and with fewer holes than their story. It would explain all the injuries plus might explain the missing shoe and lack of warm clothing.

[@luciawilke5470]

This seems highly probable. If John was trying to get out of the house to stop being attacked, it makes sense. And with his head wound, he doesn't care about a missing shoe or lack of a winter coat. He also likely left his phone in the house. With Jen McCabe's 227 search of "hos long to die in the cold," did she search hoping that he could make it through the night wandering around alone? Or was she searching hoping he wouldn't survive so he couldn't explain how he got his injuries. The arrogance of the Alberts and McCabes -- thinking the cause of John's injuries wouldn't be tied to them -- is mind blowing.

[@katiehettinger7857]

​@@luciawilke5470Didn't they find his phone under his body? Did I get that wrong?

[@HVACinthe973]

John got in a fight with one of the Albert’s. At some point he was convulsing and that’s when he threw up. He may have fell or been pushed down the stairs (that’s how he got the gash in his head. The Albert’s planned to put it on him being hit by a plow truck. Jen McCabe learned of Karen’s cracked taillight from when we went to “look” for John. All the evidence was planted, hence why it makes no sense.

[@KristenFitz21]

Where is the blood? No way that head wound didn’t bleed much more than what was in those solo cups.

[@3dchick]

You could not put this stuff in a movie. It's so over the top outrageous no one would believe it possible. 😮😮😮

[@LisaPFrampton]

It needs to be made into a documentary.

[@Boscoronibelieves]

Absolutely agree

[@bathingcatsonacloudyday]

It seems that Netflix is recording the trial

[@ravenzyblack]

@@bathingcatsonacloudyday- I wonder if they’ll title it The Muder of John O’Keefe: The Bungle In Boston

[@khristicamp9416]

There are tire tracks behind the third car in driveway. So someone at some point during/after the snow storm drove that vehicle into the driveway before he took those pictures.

[@dhec34]

Alan Jackson's choice of words is incredible. First he said "conduct" then quickly exchanged it with "involvement." Conduct has a very different feel than involvement. But since he swapped it out quickly, had the prosecution objected, it would have just drawn attention to it. Sheer brilliance.

[@mirandag1743]

He’s a genius

[@briannapinkney4966]

Probably one of the best, if not THE best, defense attorney I’ve seen. Karen is in great hands. I went into this trial 98% blind. The COMMONWEALTH should be ashamed of themselves.

[@luciawilke5470]

Remind me please what this is in reference to? Drawing a blank.

[@dhec34]

@@luciawilke5470 It's pretty close to the start of cross at 1:55:13.

[@dhec34]

@@briannapinkney4966 I keep thinking the prosecution MUST have an ace up their sleeve. If they don't, it's horrifying that they took this to trial. But look at the Travis Rudolph case. That was appalling (and if you haven't watched, you really need to!) and VERY eye-opening for me. God help the people who can't hire attorneys. Because these defenses are not cheap. It's really unfair.

[@rebekahmanning7934]

What I have learned from this trial so far. 1) it was snowing in Massachusettes on January 29th, 2022. 2) if you want to get away with murder take the victim to a small town in a snow storm.

[@katejarman4598]

And leave them on your front lawn. You will be the last house they investigate

[@mollyfarquhar824]

The way I GASPED when I saw the stop and shop bag 🛍️

[@carolynwisser3322]

Especially because he called it a brown evidence bag during direct and those are a real thing that exists.

[@jbenko13]

Me too! My spouse thought I'd hurt myself 😅

[@LexieJay00]

Emily is the BEST at breaking this down. She is truly a wonder to watch. I love the commentary ❤ Also, Goode was just this emoji the entire cross: ☹️ *Sorry meant Gallagher, but still kinda applies 😅

[@kah89]

IF…IF, Karen made the statement that she hit him, wouldn’t they be looking for evidence of that during the initial “crime scene investigation?”

[@2centswanted113]

They claim protocol in this area is to have state law enforcement investigate and first responders are to only act as first responders. But this is problematic in multiple ways.

[@annamelvina216]

​@@2centswanted113 If that is protocol, why were they comfortable doing anything more than blocking off the crime scene? There shouldn't have been any leaf blower or picking up of evidence at all. Just stand guard.

[@2centswanted113]

@@annamelvina216 because they claim State couldn't come yet because he wasn't dead yet. So they started and royally botched every step of the way

[@annm9589]

I find it hard to believe state wouldn’t come out for a fallen cop. I call this curious. If they had called back and said they have no way to collect the evidence I bet they could have rung it up the flag pole for a reluctant response. I am curious if failure to do this was intentional.

[@saradf4890]

​@@annm9589I agree. I wonder if they even mentioned to the state police that JO was a cop when they called that morning.

[@kkat8808]

Replay crew today. Defcon wtf was well earned. This guy is ridiculous and the smirk on his face is not helping.

[@carliesmith3252]

I’m so distraught for John’s family there and also for the state of law in this jurisdiction. Frightening.

[@LovetheLed]

I would never have believed it if I hadn’t been watching it with my own eyes. Like if it was a movie- you would say “no way could corruption run this deep!!”

[@carliesmith3252]

@@LovetheLedyep! Makes me feel totally unsafe as a citizen

[@MassBorn]

The sad thing as a Bostonian is these low life cops pretend they are "brothers" to this fallen hero...SICK

[@annm9589]

I don’t feel they even try. There is no sense of urgency imo. Courtesy call to his CO Boston precinct. I also wonder if the victim was identified as a Leo when state declined?

[@MassBorn]

@@annm9589 it's sick the way they treated this "brothers" un alive....they should ALL BE STRIPPED OF THEIR BADGES THEY DISGRACE THEM

[@LegalTubes]

Emily I can not wait until Emily reads the pretrial motions after the trial! It will be EPIC Emily is hearing the trial as a juror however, those of us who have read the motions and the evidence that was originally presented, it is so unbelievable you would not believe it. You would think you were on some kind of candid camera.

[@Tatti2202]

This trial is absolutely infuriating! This whole law enforcement investigation is an absolute shambles I don't even know how it made it to court. There needs to be serious changes in law enforcement protocols in this region and any other part of America that has such poor standards. This whole trial is a joke and I feel absolutely terrible for the victim and his family. Theres no way there can possibly be any justice for this victim or any other victim in this area. In fact I'd be looking at every crime committed here in the last 50 years and looking to overturn them. Absolutely shocking. What an embarrassment! Im outraged!

[@mirandag1743]

And the fact it was an officer !!! How are you treating the rest of society if the cops death was this messy!!!!!! No one wanted to know anything. I’m sure when they found out about cop on other cop’s lawn deceased -- they wanted to nope right out

[@maria-wt2fn]

I somehow think this was done on purpose. Sloppy job can never lead to a conviction.

[@lysaoldhams1509]

And don’t forget wasting the tax payers money. Millions of $$ on this case could go to a decent crime scene photographer and body cams

[@kayla-marieortizlafrazia4210]

And this is just one town. All of MA is like this. Each town in MA is extremely “townie”. Horribly corrupt state. Very sad. I’m just grateful it’s finally becoming nationally public knowledge.

[@ravenzyblack]

There is not a federal investigation into this police department. That should be interesting.

[@annak8176]

I don't work in Police and have no idea about forensic work. But based on common sense I find how they gathered evidence to be mind boggling. Like WTF?! 😳 Like how there is even a trial? How there is even a trial! 🤬 I'd love to know what the jury thinks. Imagine having to sit through it with impassive face 🫣 I could never!

[@briannapinkney4966]

Literally feel the same way. The way I’d be screaming, like Emily, with such outrage. This is why I’d hate to be on a jury. I’d just want to talk about wtf just happened!

[@jbenko13]

I audibly gasped at the bloody cups in the bag so loudly my spouse thought I had hurt myself. If I was a juror I would have been immediately reprimanded

[@GuiltyBystander58]

I am terrible at paperwork. If I had to mark evidence while a judge was waiting and trying to hurry me I’d probably cry.

[@andy-thebsslayer560]

My only possible comment is: if they treat an investigation of a Police Officer like this... imagine of a "nobody".

[@katejarman4598]

Depends on whether or not they are buddies with the murderer/s!

[@Alison1973]

Officer John O'Keefe deserved so much better!! Shame on ALL of them!!

[@lsen9015]

I find it so strange that no one from the Albertson family came out to see what was going on right outside their home.

[@scruff3760]

Leaf blowing outside at 7.00 am in the snow would def have me outside asking wtf is going on! This is a total sh*t show.

[@dhec34]

Emily! You are so fun to watch with!

[@The_Flower_of_Carnage]

"Were they taken on a PO-TAY-TOE?" - oh my gosh, Emily, I think broke something laughing.

[@nightowl8548]

How, how, HOW did this case ever make it to trial????? 😳🤦‍♀️

[@katiehettinger7857]

I want to know what the prosecution presented to the grand jury.

[@annm9589]

Ppl say you can indite a ham sandwich

[@naomimcdowell4105]

I'm beginning to wonder if the prosecutor is half-assing this case because he doesn't want to win. Like he was forced to bring charges but didn't agree so he's gonna throw the case... lol

[@fazzolarijames]

Certainly seems possible

[@Alison1973]

Geez, I hope so!!

[@coletteh8671]

I was thinking the same.

[@stigma3343]

No one can force him. He's willingly taking part in framing an innocent woman. This is hopefully the last case he'll ever be involved with.

[@goose7574]

I would love for the behavior panel to go over Lt. Gallagher's testimony...

[@nicolewhite1288]

Boston momma here - I love you EDB! TY for you 🤩

[@katlozbee]

I tell you when they showed pic inside the paper bag I screamed!!! Wtf 😬

[@Cynthiabecker24]

When i joined the stream and saw 🚨"defcon red"🚨 employed, I knew I had to be part of the replay crew....WTAF🤯😱🥴

[@kaskus7147]

Jesus Christ, this makes it sound like this police department has never dealt with a crime scene at all.

[@mhfuzzball]

According to Gallagher, they apparently haven't. They farm it all out to the county or state police.

[@PrincessPoohs]

And he SPECIFICALLY said it was sealed. That it was a sealed EVIDENCE bag.

[@Motions.in.Lemonaid]

The first witness today reminded me of the testimony of the police chief I was a jury on. He kept trying to make a yes/no question more then that. His department messed up that murder investigation as well, we found the defendant not guilty.

[@Th3FastandTh3Curious]

If they are transferring the blood from the solo cups into their containers in the sallyport near her car, very likely for cross contamination

[@jo.randall]

Excellent point!!!!

[@tracylamb7333]

How did this even get this far? Halfway into day 1 there was enough reasonable doubt; and it just keeps getting worse. They should all he ashamed! Red solo cups and a used stop-n-shop bag?!?!?! WTF?!?!?

[@jtuttah]

The one officer looking directly at the jury is giving me Amber Heard.

[@paigeallen7379]

Leaf blower, check. Plastic cups, check. Shopping bag, check. The Three Stooges could've done a better crime scene investigation. Geeze.

[@LegalTubes]

Nailed it!

[@ravenzyblack]

It sounds like an episode of The Three Stooges. And it would have been a comedy.

[@KellieBell]

Now I get why the prosecutor is doing such a crappy job. He has no evidence to work with. The investigation was so embarrassingly inept. He's gotta be both embarrassed to be trying this case, and its so futile, why even try?

[@bathingcatsonacloudyday]

I have the impression that he didn't decide. He must have lost some kind of crappy lottery in the DA's office

[@LoveLunaFam]

@@bathingcatsonacloudyday that’s what I said. I think he knows this is a crap case so he’s doing the worst possible job ever. Or he actually is the worst prosecutor ever.

[@timroberts6695]

The photos were so easy to find on the internet I have to ask why the state did not check out their own star witness before putting her on the stand.

[@ThatRedhedd]

3:18:10 - 🤣🤣🤣 OMG this moment was hilarious! It is moments like this that keep me coming back to the Notorious EDB.

[@Maddieelovesu]

I laughed out loud. This is absolutely out of control

[@Parris0210]

Man. I literally lost it with the “of course not”. 😡. If someone was dead in my yard our law enforcement would be all up in my house. They would find something that would give them cause if the dead body in the yard wasn’t enough.

[@LegalTubes]

Exactly. The disregard for a Fallen Police Officer who dies in my front yard I You would go outside

[@TheKernowKids]

horrified at this morning. I went into this thinking (and hoping) surely no police department could go that far to cover things and it to end up at a trial....after this morning I actually believe she is innocent. Not something I would have thought would happen in the states turn!

[@AGlimmerofHealth]

If the glove don't fit, you must acquit. My goodness! Red Solo cups 🥤 in a paper bag. Ms. Read will walk, imo.

[@rebekahmanning7934]

If she does not walk based on the mismanagement of evidence alone this jury is just as corrupt as this police department. That is EGREGIOUS negligence.

[@SingerChic]

Going forward, I hope that better training and accountability measures are put in place for these departments in this town. Starting tomorrow at 8:30 AM. And ceases when every single member passes appropriate training courses.

[@scruff3760]

Training and accountability measures won’t change corrupt personnel without any moral compass.

[@JoyceAnderson-wq5oc]

If he considers that a heavy horrible snowstorm, from what I could see from auto cam thru window, he has never been in a bad snowstorm .

[@annamelvina216]

If he has recently moved from the south I'd give him a pass, but I'm pretty sure everyone who's been on a stand has been a local.

[@katiehettinger7857]

I call bs on it was a terrible snow storm in the Boston area, they get real snow.

[@xXxDigitalBathxXx]

This lack of documentation is killing me. I'm in social work and documentation is HUGE and we are not investigating murders!

[@tenacityforthetruth2695]

I have been watching lawtube since Rittenhouse and actually remember your debut, and I can honestly say that you are by far the best of them all. Emily, your heart for sharing your knowledge of criminal law and your incredible insight into human and courtroom behavior is astounding and sooo appreciated.

[@josephpalla3294]

Need an evidence log to prove chain of custody.

[@PhoebeMc]

There are many things that seem out of character for a homicide investigation. In royally confused!!

[@CSTeears-68]

Generally if you touch it you add your name to the report that is called Chain of custody & if you decide to leave it somewhere it is supposed to be securely locked up, so that if you are the last person to touch it - you make sure no one else can touch it or alter it. Ummm I don't even understand why He pretended to bother with the Solo cups they are not in a condition to be useful evidence anymore

[@larscederberg8564]

Standard equipment at Canton PD leaf blower and red solo cups

[@katiehettinger7857]

I love a little salt. 😉👍💜

[@juliehinkel608]

An opportunity for local sales of t- shirts! Might shame them into actually training their officers and providing evidence retrieval protocols and winter weather equipment cuz - winter has happened there for thousands of years.

[@ravenzyblack]

The leaf blower was his own personal leaf blower, and the solo cup was from a neighbor. They are not actually standard equipment for Canton PD. They didn’t even have those available.😒

[@TheCarolinaAsh]

The SIDEEYE I am giving the Judge when she keeps saying she forgets Caitlin Albert's name. I can see mistaking Katie and Caitlin but it's just weirddddd.

[@annm9589]

Judge also had connections to this family. I think she conveniently “forgets” the names so she distances herself on the record from knowing the immediate family well. I am speculating.

[@michellev7113]

I'm so behind on this trial because I was watching the Daybell trial. But OMG...I love watching trials with Emily's reactions. 😂 The best!!!

[@link01uk]

That is victim remains. A murdered police officer in Canton. In solo cups, in a used, paper, shopping bag, on a garage floor. Great respect. So corrupt, not even murdered officers receive respect.

[@rebekahmanning7934]

For the record as a former clinical lab tech, not police lab tech, if we had medical specimens come in in a solo cup (and yes such things DID occasionally happen) we refused to process the specimen because it's contaminated. If the police lab techs were ordered to process this evidence they SHOULD document how badly contaminated it would be. Police lab techs risk being held in contempt if an officer orders them to process and they refuse. This poor family. John O'keefe deserved so much better than this no matter what happened.

[@rebeccaglasgow1324]

In pros opening he said her car traveled 60 ft at 24.2 mph in reverse, also said Karen was making a 3 point turn. Those things don't align very well

[@wendywilkinson]

Replay crew here and only a few minutes in…. WHAT? A witness has perjured themselves and the judge doesn’t want to settle the issue? Preserved for appeal methinks if this isn’t resolved and the new evidence isn’t allowed. Also… modern trials and the internet! 😊

[@redisthecoolestcolour]

The whining of "I'd like to get this trial started..." Ma'am, don't act like you give a shit when you're out of work faster than me on a Friday when I was 19.

[@josephinesturgess7312]

Replay crew. Just seen the photo of the cars on the drive. So at least one car was moved after the snow started because you can clearly see the tyre tracks.

[@xXxDigitalBathxXx]

How is having a body in your driveway not probable cause???

[@suziscott170]

If and when could the Defense ask for a dismissal?

[@lizzimmermann7164]

When the state rests they can ask that it be thrown out on the basis that the state didn’t prove their case. Rarely happens.

[@katiehettinger7857]

​@@lizzimmermann7164Especially with this judge.

[@lsen9015]

Emily you crack me up! Priceless commentary! 😂

[@tessahardy338]

I'm mindblown that when they were all out in the yard with the body...not one person knocked on the door of the house to ask even one question. A person was just found in YOUR front yard.