MA. v Karen Read Trial Day 10 Afternoon - Brian Albert Jr., Caitlin Albert.

[@mel.a.bicket]

What I've learned from the prosecution: - It was snowing - It was Brian's birthday - There were doughnuts What I've learned from the defence: - Red solo cups and random unsealed paper bags are adequate for collecting evidence - People don't need to be interviewed after a body is found (informal conversations will do!) and when they are interviewed it is months and months later - No one saw anything, no one talks about anything - Brian Snr got rid of his house, his dog, his phone and job all after the incident - No one knows who answered their phones at weird hours (Which appear to have been answered!) - No one is close to anyone (until they are)

[@saraboer9974]

Also interesting how every Albert has the same story… If I hear they all arrived btwn 12:05-12:10 one more time, I’m gonna lose it

[@minix61]

This comment is wonderfully helpful 🎉🎉 can we get this as a pinned comment after every court day!

[@ellenroberts5181]

The whole thing is so clicky entwined. Brian Sr. has been lead to believe he is king and nobody messes with him or his family. I hope this exposure helps people see how petty, arrogant, and dangerous these people are. I'm so glad Karen Read is exposing them. I hope she's exonerated.

[@jannettb7930]

Also, no clue about a preservation order on his phone, but totally aware that it was denied several times before that. Not sure on the date he 'upgraded' his phone, but absolutely positive it wasn't after the 22nd when that preservation order was signed.

[@youdontneedacustardtest]

I love this comment so much.

[@Anniebanany1955]

This trial is just weird. It feels more like the defense of the Albert family than it does the prosecution of Karen Read.

[@niklin8397]

Right!!! Like what was that after lunch. His house all of a sudden has cell service issues

[@paulthomas963]

Right!!!! So weird.

[@katdavis5939]

Yes!! I said this too, the prosecutor feels like its main job is to shield the Albert family, not one shred of how Karen did it, why or how. And the way this witnesses can’t remember one thing of anything that makes them look bad then then turn into perfect memory of things that makes them look good is very suspicious

[@SavvyGirl751]

The Albert family made a lot of changes from the dog being rehomed out of state, his phone being given away the day before he is ordered to preserve it, and they sold their house.

[@katdavis5939]

@@SavvyGirl751 and those are big changes too

[@medea27]

I’m so angry on behalf of John’s family & friends… they have had so much tragedy in their lives, lost so many family members. And they are sitting, listening to this huge extended Canton family with cops, AG, and other LE-adjacent cousins & friends talk about John’s death as “the incident”... doing everything possible to distance themselves from finding out how a guy who was universally admired, ended up on the edge of death on their family property. It’s Day 10 of an 8 week trial and so far we’ve only established that the investigation was an absolute joke, no-one treated it as a suspicious death, and there’s clearly something shady going on with the homeowner & the investigator. And that’s not even counting the FBI investigation hanging over the proceedings like a cloud. Regardless of whether Karen was responsible, this is not how you get justice & I’m struggling to understand how this is worth the cost to the taxpayers, the cost to Karen, and most importantly the cost to the O’Keefe’s of having this trial right now.

[@SheriMarshall-cz3gs]

When declared not guilty I hope Karen sues the shit out of every adult Albert

[@RozeechildRN]

Additionally, all the ladies in this group made an Angel's ladies, or something like that, that takes mom O'Keefe out to eat and other gatherings to support her It's all these lady witnesses. It's sad that the people, who potentially killed her son, are keeping her so close to keep Karen guilty in her mind. And, if you watch Paul O'Keefe, he mean mugs Karen in such an intimidating way, it's scares me. Karen has to look straight forward, when her lawyers are at sidebar, while he stares her down all the time.

[@dragonfishxx]

@@RozeechildRN Yeah, I'm not mad at him or their family though. It makes sense for them to have trusted with the version of the situation cops & prosecution would have told them. Most victim families do, and John was a cop too so, it would be extra hard for them to doubt what they're told, let alone be able to easily believe that other cops would have contributed to his death or covered it up. I wish them all peace, and as much truth as they can handle. I feel so awful for them.

[@RozeechildRN]

@@dragonfishxx I absolutely agree with you, doesn't make me mad, makes me sad for them. However, Paul still scares me. I know he's hurting too though.

[@YolyW66]

I can't wait to hear the defenses closing arguments. They will be spectacular!

[@daffydill5590]

Imo her testimony about the dog being let out is interesting! Because it seems like it's about the time Officer O'Keeffe would have been coming in. He may have hit the back of his head on that fire hydrant fighting off the dog.

[@tartnouveau3652]

@@daffydill5590 its interesting how insistent the defense is on asking where Conner Albert was though.

[@tatertotter808]

@@daffydill5590hmmm but Karen would have seen that right? She waited a while after JO went inside

[@diamondsmiles6882]

@@tatertotter808Hmmm. How do you know she waited until he got inside? That is a very interesting idea, but we will never know. I don’t even think Miss Read remembers.

[@wolfgirlie]

​@@daffydill5590oh interesting theory 😮

[@itsx0aliciadaatea]

I just skipped the prosecution and went RIGHT to cross becuz I can't fcking take it anymore 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️ the more I watch the more I become convinced Karen Read is not guilty.. And unless they have some smoking gun against her coming I don't see why they are even prosecuting this case

[@riannarodriguez9759]

The prosecution just talks in circles about the same things

[@mariee.5912]

Omg. I did that, too, after a few minutes.

[@origamikiddo2625]

I'm in the same boat. As I've said elsewhere, i am thinking we need like video evidence or something unconnected to LE collecting evidence or reports cuz I question the veracity of a few of them and maybe more

[@tatertotter808]

LMAOOOO I felt like I was being bias for doing the same!! Thank you for validating my boredom with the prosecution 🤣

[@noraono]

I feel like this case (similar to how I felt about Zachariah Anderson) the defendant may well have done it but I am not being told a case anywhere near compelling enough to meet beyond a reasonable doubt. Prosecution has got a long way to go and based on the first 10 days and the opening I don't see us getting there.

[@WH0oo...]

Brian Albert speaks the truth when he says “I didn’t care” who was sprawled out on his front yard 6am with a raging snowstorm , Riiiiight.

[@MimiDidi121]

Can you imagine the massive reflection of all those lights against the snow?!?!? It would be like a rave out there!

[@corrinnedowns1180]

Someone posted a photo that the neighbor took from their window and it was insanez

[@bucketree]

Taking all their credibility that they didn’t hear anything or go out to check?

[@ellenroberts5181]

I hope there is a neighbor that heard that dog barks. I do believe once we get to the experts the truth will emerge. Expose the criminals. Their all an embarrassment to Irish people everywhere.

[@paulacosgrove2231]

What has being irish got to do with it

[@ellenroberts5181]

@@paulacosgrove2231 The Albert family r Irish....Canton Ma.

[@lauraramsey905]

Replay crew💜 I don’t believe for one hot second that Brian Albert Sr. Is intimidated by that journalist. Not do I believe he would be afraid to testify with him in the courtroom!

[@countryrat6t6]

I am absolutely no closer to thinking Karen Read is guilty than I was on day one. Ten days and 28 witnesses in... I've watched every bit of coverage with EDB. Came in knowing basically nothing, the name sounded familiar, but only because I think I've heard EDB mention it once or twice over the past year or two. Feels like I've gotten about three of my questions answered so far... and gained about a thousand more since trial started. It is so hard not to go look things up right now. I went into Murdaugh with a bit of a biased against him I think. But the state almost didn't do it for me. ... feels like the state is in an even worse position here...

[@theConquerersMama]

Same.

[@jediping]

I came in with a bit of a bias against Karen Read because it’s usually the intimate partner. I still find her actions super sus. But the prosecution has not proven anything beyond a reasonable doubt other than the snow and that the table was a high top. Maybe there’s more coming. But just with how botched the crime scene investigation was, let alone how badly compromised the primary investigator was, I don’t know how you get to beyond a reasonable doubt, even before you get to Albert family questions.

[@alihale4053]

I completely am in the same boat as you!

[@PartanBree]

I'm catching up late. I would say I'm still open minded to the possibility that there's good evidence against Karen Read, but where is it? Why haven't I seen it so far? We're ten days in and all I've heard is her hysterical remarks after a traumatic event, and something about bits of a tail light which nobody seems to have actually seen. We seem to be exploring literally everything else EXCEPT evidence against the defendant.

[@Just-in-Space]

I knew nothing of this case at all. Even started it late. The prosecution has given me nothing! It seems like such a simple case drunk driving. But they haven’t even shown that to be a fact. I feel at this point even if it was as the prosecution has claimed they couldn’t charge her. They absolutely destroyed the scene, let local politics run the investigation and up charge someone in a means to save face. I can’t even. I knew nothing at all. I had not background info. But this court has exposed a lot shady, or bad business many have to answer for.

[@dellahicks7231]

Thank You Emily for ensuring that our focus remains on the case and what the witnesses have to say rather than their appearance. As the survivor of an impaired collision involving fatalities (We were hit by an impaired driver. He killed himself and his two passengers) it is so encouraging seeing these young people being responsible, involving drinking & driving. Our son too is 25 years old, and his crew always Ubers or cabs it if they are drinking at all. It's too bad the individuals my age, nearly 60, still do not get the damn message!!

[@PartanBree]

Including police officers. I don't know how we can be sitting in a trial where one of the charges is driving while impaired, and a retired police officer is casually talking about drinking all evening and then driving home. If the victim really was hit by a drunk driver, it could have been any one of these idiots.

[@grasshopper2144]

My heart breaks for the O'Keefe family listening to the lack of care given towards a human, a fellow police officer, on the Albert's front lawn... I wonder if the O'Keefe family has changed their thoughts about the case? 😔

[@McQuizzical]

It's must be devastating for them to have to go through all this. One bright spot to take from this though, is how much Johns death as helped to shed light onto all the curruption that's taken place

[@grasshopper2144]

​@@McQuizzicalI agree! The shade is more than 50 😎😏 He didn't die in vain ... John was loved. That is all a parent would want for their child ... and justice ⚖️

[@McQuizzical]

@@grasshopper2144 Amen

[@shkrjam84]

@@McQuizzicaland to hear how many people knew of him and admired him for taking on his niece and nephew. It’s just so heartbreaking that they lost their parents, then John and Karen. I haven’t seen anything that convinces me Karen did this, and if that’s the truth, my heart breaks for her as well. She lost everyone she cared about through her life with John all at once, and is fighting for her life and freedom against what appears to be major corruption. 😞

[@DanaVolney]

I wonder, too. I’m sure there’s a lot they know already/assumed BUT i wonder if they really knew all this and are now wondering what really happened. I’d be pissed sitting there listening to all his supposed friends among other things.

[@MimiDidi121]

It’s frustrating that we can have a full day of court yet get so little info because of an hour of ridiculous questions by the commonwealth

[@blobfishrescue]

They take forever to get to the point of the witness 😫 Sooo much time spend for nothing.

[@Princelover-ip4gn]

I am replaying this at 1.5 speed. And I am still dying 😤🤷🏻‍♀️🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐

[@flaviiz]

They are dragging their feet

[@sillyfish920]

Caitlin comes off as SO rehearsed to me. Didn’t talk about testimony with anyone but seems to me to be anticipating what questions are coming and giving more details before they’re asked for. Knew exactly what to say on the question about the paramedic.

[@Ginger-li7fz]

It's obvious that someone game Mr. Albert a heads up that this court order was coming.

[@lr4600]

And weren't they instructed to not do anything to the device until the order came down anyway? Or did I mishear/misunderstand something?

[@wildwindfarm144]

I am very conflicted about the phone issue. If the phones were so important, why wasn’t the data extracted/phones cloned in the week(s) after JO died? I understand they tried to get access to his phone and it was denied. If he got rid of the phone before he received an order (don’t they send them certified mail to prove date of delivery) didn’t he have every right to do so? I get why attorneys may be mad/frustrated, but hate the game not the player 🤷‍♀️. Very much like the defense parsing words and extracting portions of sentences to make something out of nothing but he gets SO aggressive when the witness plays the same games he does. Turnabout is fair play my man.

[@GoblinsAreAGirlsBestFriend]

​@@wildwindfarm144 The defense had to demand it via court order - the investigation never showed any interest in the phones on its own.

[@dragonfishxx]

​@@wildwindfarm144 Because the investigator wasn't going to investigate another cop. He knows enough people, he absolutely knew that order was coming down - the hearing was public & broadcast. He knew. He absolutely knew. The defense had to fight to try to get access to his phone. She didn't have a defense team & they didn't know everything they'd need to know to take that step until long after the time period you're talking about.

[@Bazanadu]

​@@wildwindfarm144because destruction of evidence would normally be suggestive of guilt.

[@barbaravaters4989]

On replay! Bryan A., Jr. is a kindred soul, that seems very honest and nervous. My heart goes out to him.

[@WatchTashi]

If he was then he'd spill the beans on what happened to the truly good man, JO.

[@SquidgeTastic]

If he's the one whose bday it was, he seemed a pretty sound guy

[@caitlinalb]

If it was a cover up I hope the parents would at least be good enough to leave him out of it.

[@Lu-li1ei]

That's exactly the vibe I got, whatever his parents are doing or want to do he's definitely out of the worst of it

[@SheriMarshall-cz3gs]

I agree. How sad he got dragged into his lying parents mess!

[@raventilyndel7186]

The real question is: "Does your Dad, a police office, usually drive his work vehicle home after drinking?" ... Hmm so there are 3 justice systems: poor, rich and police

[@LilMissClementine]

Cops walking out of bars with alcohol. Cops ignoring judges orders to preserve evidence. Hard to believe they are operating on the same system as the general public.

[@runner18x]

To be fair his vehicle was at the airport still. His flight was cancelled and they had to drive back home. I think its odd he took the unmarked car, but his car was not presently at the house

[@dragonfishxx]

@@runner18x Yout missed her point entirely. It's not that he was driving his work vehicle. It's that he was driving after drinking, and it's just the cherry on top that it was a police issued vehicle.

[@oct2182]

I think it’s VERY interesting how carefully and similarly Caitlain and Katie answered about their relationship, idk anything outside of what happens in court with EDB but it just immediately sent up every red flag.

[@carlamabry6944]

Almost the exact words

[@margaretcoan1643]

My issue is the prosecutor has not shown why they believe Karen Read killed John ; seems defense does better job of creating doubt

[@lr4600]

Have they even gotten to HOW being backed into could've caused his injuries? Did I fall asleep during that testimony? I vaguely heard about this case before trial and don't think I'm any closer to thinking she's guilty of manslaughter than I was before. Let alone 2nd degree murder

[@michaelhayden5203]

Her answer to ‘who is Katie McLaughlin’ was suspiciously fulsome for someone who hadn’t been warned it was coming.

[@jennmoslek921]

Caitlin Albert totally knew that the questions she was asked about Katie McLaughlin were coming! Not only did she not look surprised at all, she even answered using similar wording. These Alberts are shady AF.

[@Baqota]

Not only that, she answered a question she hadn’t even been asked. Did he only ask her who Katie was? But then she went on a long answer about who she was and ended with a thorough explanation about how they had mutual friends and were friendly but not really friends. But he didn’t ask her if they were friends, did he? He was going to, but he hadn’t yet.

[@kissy01]

I'm at that point now. My exact thoughts! If it's because she's been questioned about this numerous times, the prosecution should have mentioned it. Cause it sounds really shady after the other one distanced herself so badly from her...

[@maciarcher3991]

THIS!!! Exactly 👏🏼

[@NerdyDogMom1]

Caitlyn Albert saying she didn’t watch the testimony and no one told her about the testimony seems like a bold face lie. How did she know to be SO specific about photos of them together???? WOW!!

[@Alison1973]

Her family absolutely discussed this with her! Just like every one of the family members and friends did with each other. I believe that some of them even watched the previous court days on KZbin. There's no way they didn't coach each other.

[@snakabuz]

Right, for somone she wasn't friends with and only came across, she had her words so carefully chosen and ready without hesitation. It felt like she knew she would be asked.

[@evilqueenyiayia]

The Phones Butt dialed, unanswered, re-homed.With all the other coincidences. Is there enough doubt yet???

[@mariee.5912]

I came with an open mind and impartial, but gezz, they're trying so hard to distance themselves that it looks like the Albert's are hiding something.

[@wolfgirlie]

Has to be, it's too much!

[@jennymarie.]

Agreed. I purposely stayed away from anything about this case so I could try coming in as a “juror” and have both sides present to me and decide based on that. However, there’s so much reasonable doubt right now I don’t know if we’re prosecuting the Alberts, who seem super shady and dishonest, or Karen Read. 😬

[@doeb23]

There is NO way the jury will not have any doubt… I don’t see how any jury could convict her based on all the fuckery from law enforcement and the sketchy testimonies

[@shanedaley6236]

​@@mariee.5912if I was the defense during closing I would bring up a slide in the power point of a graph of the sleep that Albert Sr says happened we come to find out he sleep maybe 3 hours after such a long day

[@lzk22]

Can we please give the female defense attorney a little bit of grace on her voice and nervousness. I’m not new at my job and sometimes when I have to present in front of hundreds of people, I too get a little shaky and nervous. I think that’s pretty normal. She knows that tens of thousands of people are watching her. In fact, I want to give her kudos for not having a crutch word like umm, or what if any, or sorta…

[@Alison1973]

Amen!! Lawyers all start off somewhere and this is a huge case to be on. I'm sure the defense lawyers weren't this good from the very start of their careers. Give the girl a break! She's definitely learning from 2 great lawyers!!

[@dragonfishxx]

Agree. And she knows how important all of this is. How big this case is & what getting it right or wrong means. It's a lot of pressure.

[@ksjmward1998]

I get soo nervous doing any sort of presenting or public speaking, my voice shakes and Mt ability to think clearly goes out the window.

[@fazzolarijames]

She did great, she’s probably pretty experienced, just not as much as her co-counsel.

[@lolly_6184]

I think shes great, hopefully the men are giving her kudos so she builds her confidence. She had sone better topics today, not just insignificant stuff

[@catherineyoung1433]

When we’re expecting a snowstorm, I’m always looking out the window to see how much snow we got. 1:31:50

[@username.invalid763]

That's you not everyone else. Speak for your self

[@andreagudal6775]

Honestly, though, many people do because they know they are going to have to get up and shovel. They keep an eye on the storm's development. My husband would keep an eye out because his shift in corrections would require driving in early. It's not unreasonable for people to go look out the window when they wake up to use the bathroom. Maybe everyone he knew had off Saturday but, it is a thought.

[@dragonfishxx]

@@username.invalid763 She literally was. Why are you so angry about it?

[@karennotAkaren1]

Same like if they say it’s going to snow I am looking out the window constantly until it starts and then I keep checking for sticking and accumulation

[@Pamlandy2]

Caitlain leaving and not seeing John's body seems like a win for the defense? Lally seems to be arguing for the family, not the Commonwealth?

[@McQuizzical]

Exactly!

[@JamieDoe472]

Well it's interesting cuz the video footage of emergency services coming to the residence, it looked to me like there should have been enough lighting between vehicles and street lights to see a body on the side of the road.

[@JamesCM86]

The focus is on proving the Albert’s innocence rather than Karen’s guilt. Tells you all you need to know

[@Turtle22124]

Her whole testimony seemed very very rehearsed

[@McQuizzical]

@@Turtle22124 I agree, a good mash up of her mum and dad's testimonies.

[@yanaike35]

To continue believing that there are good cops outhere. Those that commit bad acts MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE. Based on what we have seen sooo far Ms Read should be found NOT GUILTY

[@wolfgirlie]

So far, I agree with you. So much reasonable doubt here. No motive. I don't get how this case passed Grand jury in the first place. It will come to light.

[@dragonfishxx]

For sure. It's getting harder & harder to have any faith & we should be able to have some amount of faith.

[@origamikiddo2625]

There are good cops out there and generally you don't hear about those doing their job right cuz they're doing their job. Those with power need checks and balances and visibility, transparency, and sunlight is a great way to keep ppl accountable. So far, the Commonwealth has yet to show me anything that even gives me beyond a reasonable doubt of invol. Manslaughter. Technically we don't even know John O Keefe died yet. And defense has shown all kinds of doubt for me with Lanke and Brian Alberts testimony and parts of Chris. I'm waiting to see if the evidence on Proctor is what defense claimed but with all the lack of interviews, delayed interviews, ppl being interviewed together I already have doubt of Proctor even being involved in investigation and doing it wrong so how can we trust evidence he collected or his interviews so far??

[@007nadineL]

See you back here in a year. Can't wait. .

[@lolly_6184]

I dont believe CA didnt see the trial. She was READY to answer those questions.

[@natmelofit]

Agreed! Her explanation to knowing Officer CM was almost a direct response to the officer’s testimony.

[@dragonfishxx]

100%

[@Jennabug0316]

Yep, she spent too much time trying to explain how she’s sort of an acquaintance. That was so obvious

[@cplusmcretired]

Im sure Albert has no friends in the Judge's office or DA that would have told him that the preservation order was coming the next day...

[@Just-in-Space]

Ya no possible way! 🙃 he just wanted to upgrade since he’s such an apple head

[@eileenmacdougall8945]

Emily, I live in MA and really like your coverage of this case. I was a visiting nurse in the Canton area back in the day. I pray the truth comes out for all involved. Thanks for all your input and commenting, I find it very helpful.

[@codfishbones]

1:14:14 @edb I learn so much from you… you make the law very accessible. I am contemplating entering law school and I feel like your tutelage will help me to do well!

[@baxtermcloughlin2287]

My issue with the dog is I have a dutch shepherd that we have been working with on aggression in "her" home. (Anywhere she claims as hers) My genuine biggest fear is someone "barging" in unannounced and I dont have time to get my dog undercontrol. We also know absolutely everything that happens outside of our 3rd floor apartment as my dog hears everything. The rehoming is extremely suspicious to me.

[@missmishka8379]

32 minutes in as Brian Jr takes the stand & I am immediately empathetic toward this witness because I've had bad birthdays but I have never had a birthday marred by events like this. Hopefully the extent of his testimony is I was just trying to enjoy my time with my friends & know nothing about what the alleged grown-ups were doing.

[@fazzolarijames]

Brian Jr is involved in covering up a murder, why are you sympathetic to him

[@dragonfishxx]

I am immediately empathetic toward him too. He seems nervous, but it's a different kind of nervous. It feels like testifying in court & being over his head a bit nerves. Not hiding things nerves. I am just at the very start of his testimony right now so maybe I'll change my mind, but at the moment, I feel for him & I don't get the impression he's in this up to his eyeballs the way I did with other members of his family.

[@lesleybarklay798]

I feel the same way. My dad and I shared a birthday, and he passed away suddenly a couple of weeks before our birthday (he was planning to come visit me and my family on the day). I didn't get to say goodbye. It was ten year on the 23rd of April, and I still struggle to celebrate my birthday. I think that might be why I relate to Brian jnr.

[@chemistryflavored]

As a homebody introvert I also feel for him. I found his testimony pretty believable too. He didn’t seem invasive on purpose, but nervous.

[@katieobrien6965]

He seemed pretty genuine to me and putting his anxiety issues out there for all to see, I def felt for him a bit and felt like he wasn’t really hiding much

[@ann5028]

I have to admit I get busy while half listening and suddenly hear Emily repeating “wait what?!” Oh shit now what did I miss

[@Mirandajane84]

Caitlin DEFINITELY knew what he was getting at when he first asked about Katie

[@wondergal4729]

I like Brian Albert Jr. I consider his testimony much more believable than any of the other witnesses so far.

[@J-Bird88]

I know, I wished the female attorney after sensing his more softness would then switch the attack strategy to rapport building with kindness and then start leaning towards "if a crime has been committed and people are covering it up and lying would the right thing be to tell the truth and give John's family closure and karen her freedom etc etc" in a slow sense of questions. Mightve had more of an impact

[@PartyAtMoontower]

I get devious two-faced, Eddie Haskell vibes from Brian Sr. Way too kiss-assy and things don’t make sense. The phone makes him look guilty, as a matter of fact. I completely see where Karen believes it was a coverup.

[@iwilson6221]

A member of my family was a victim of a crime, I hope and pray the prosecutor for that case is not as horrible as this prosecutor!

[@JustCallMeHen]

The biggest question I have is what happened to make Caitlyn go home at 2am instead of staying the night, when that seemed to be her intention when Tristin left her to go home to bed earlier in the evening.

[@sarahhakesmusic]

Right. Even if I hadn’t planned on it, if there were hazardous winter weather conditions, I would have pivoted and stayed the night at my parents’ house for the night. A very odd decision (in my mind) to make given the circumstances

[@jodipaul8672]

That is a great point! I totally missed that. She had planned to stay and then didn't.

[@Newellsgirl]

yes! her parents are protective….seems like they would have insisted she stay….unless something horrific happened and they wanted her out of there

[@stephanietexas1325]

Caitlyn was obviously coached on what to say since Katie testified. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@SimplyStacyL]

Yes! The extensive answer she gave was so very obvious!

[@YolandaHalfAlmonde]

"Have you watched previous testimonies?" "No" "Who is Katie?" "She is a friend of a friend that I have rarely seen and have no relationship with" M'kay 🙄🙄🙄

[@amanda-et6pv]

omg that pissed me off. nobody answers that way when asked if you know someone, unless ur told to say that

[@silikon2]

Coached as *hell*.

[@JustSomeDude2161]

Anyone else think Brian Sr looks like a comic book villain?

[@marlbboro8091]

Handsome though to this ole lady’s eyes 😛

[@catherinewylie6959]

No. Looks pretty normal to me.

[@Alison1973]

He looks like a conceided, arrogant cop.

[@carolynwisser3322]

He unfortunately has what I would call “angry eyebrows” lol

[@T-Marie812]

And Brian jr. Looks like one the guys from the show Reno 911 or super troopers. I think it’s the dark hair and stash

[@diananewton6573]

Emily, you need to represent me so I can explain to my boss why all my work projects are taking so long. Lol. Saying I’m at trial won’t cut it!

[@stellaallbright4750]

I work in a busy law firm and (thankfully) my bosses don't mind me listening to EDB!! 💜

[@diananewton6573]

@@stellaallbright4750 Lucky! It’s on the job training lol

[@LisaBugBug]

Albert and Higgins both destroy their phones??!! Hell to the No as a juror would I decide Karen is guilty

[@enigma_-_79]

Anyone can destroy their physical phone but the data on the phone never goes away. If it’s an iPhone, when you buy a new phone, you log into the Cloud and all of the data from your old phone, automatically downloads to your new phone. They did this so that if people lose their phone, upgrade or it’s damaged, nothing is ever lost. If they had wanted or needed to get the data, the police could have easily have done so.

[@McQuizzical]

Caitlin is clearly coached, repeats her parents well.

[@Alison1973]

Definitely coached.

[@brendy0807]

I wouldn't make it through this trial without your commentary. Lally needs to move it along. So damn frustrating.

[@lunazmom2495]

Long time watcher. Just saying that I am not watching live out of respect for EDB. I know too much and don't want to mess up EDB's wish to watch as a juror. Love being part of the rewatch crew. She is picking up on every issue that caused me concern when I first heard about things myself. I miss you chat! See you on the next trial :)

[@moellersgrl]

I watch Emily's lives every day. I don't watch any other that Runkle because he does the same as Emily. I don't watch any other coverage,I look at it like I'm an alternate that gets to talk and watch the trial. ❤

[@lauraramsey905]

I try and stay out of chat. I really hope she goes through the pre trial hearings and motions! ETA: after the trial of course!

[@JimiandSamantha]

It is an emotional roller coaster watching Emily watch it live for the first time. It is funny how she gets sidetracked with "im not sure this is necessary questioning", followed immediately by "WHHHAAAT?" It is like watching a friend watch a movie or series and trying not to give spoilers.

[@dragonfishxx]

@@JimiandSamantha This is why I love her so much! It feels like watching with a friend who happens to know all the legal stuff. I'm almost always replay crew but I don't watch anyone or anything else until I watch Emily's coverage.

[@kissy01]

Appreciate you trying not to add "outside info"! I'm so annoyed by the people in the comments being all "you should not say that if you don't know yada yada" 🙄 I would agree if this was gossiping and theories without fact, but this is the trial. If it doesn't come up during trial, it won't be judged by the jury. I don't get why people don't get that 😮‍💨

[@xosammyj09]

“Amorously butt dialing” 😂

[@TrueCrimeMN]

The mystery phone calls just make no sense! Why didn't Brian Albert just say he was on his phone and accidentally dialled and thought he hung up before it went through then Higgins called hom back, they loled for 22secs about a butt dial and hung up

[@Mildred35]

Maybe the phone disappeared because he's having an affair and doesn't want that to get out

[@kelliekriss2131]

Exactly

[@soniaf6156]

What a mess, ty for covering this one Emily.

[@VirginiaGeorge]

The judge called the photos of the baby shower cumulative, but the first half hour of Caitlyn’s testimony isn’t?

[@dianerosa3053]

I was upstairs looking at pictures with Brian Higgins. Conflicting testimony!

[@coricoo_247]

The audacity of ppl thinking we care when they comment "[blank streaming] is better because no commentary" 😅 go off. Love all of the commentary Emily! That's why we are Law 💜 Nerds!

[@jobo3742]

The "absolutely not" gets me. That leaves no room for flexibility or grey areas. It's like an end all. No need to look into it because there can't possibly be any other information, so don't bother looking. The only time I hear people say that is when they are hiding something. I don't believe him at all.

[@michelemccowan5924]

The Judge is looking at her watch, facing the window with her back to the witness, and rocking back and forth. Absolutely unprofessional.

[@WH0oo...]

The guys would know the sound of the diesel vehicles, especially EMT, despite the absence of sirens. At that time of morning, very unusual for that large of a vehicle coming down the street. HAVING multiple LEOs in the house, senior in rank, they would be familiar with that engine sound, especially when accelerating.

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

The fire engine and ambulance are loud just running without sirens 🚨

[@Princelover-ip4gn]

A running ambulance alone is deafening. Multiple fire engines are Loud AF. The idea that the dog slept through the whole thing and was in the room overlooking the yard is beyond belief! 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🔴💜

[@moellersgrl]

Even if police,fire cars are ran without sirens their lights would be on so that alone would be intriguing enough to see what's happening?

[@gryffent]

I’ve had fire engines frequently on my block and not only do they idle loudly, but they also have these sun pack lights that are as bright as the sun at noon. They wake me from a dead sleep frequently. I live on a block of Condos and a seniors hospice care centre.

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

@@gryffent exactly! Like how did they not HEAR ANYTHING 🤷🏻‍♀️😳

[@Tammy_26Irwin]

@KnucklSandwich well the majority of us know that isn’t in question however everybody seems to think that because they didn’t have their sirens activated that nobody would hear the emergency responders vehicles and am I here to tell you that I heard both of them many many times just idling and they are loud as fuck.

[@jodipaul8672]

Replay crew! It's 11 pm but I finished today's live in time to watch Day 11. Phew! Glad tomorrow is a half day. I 💜 your coverage EDB!

[@apennell5040]

Every day that I tune in...I think to myself...there's no way in hell it can get any worse than it already is....and EVERY SINGLE DAY I am absolutely mind blown. On day 1 I was naturally "How did we get here?" as of day 11 I am like "Seriously, how the f*ck did we even get here?!?!" My 6 yr old daughter could've ran the investigation better than the way it was investigated! I'm shook-eth to my core at this point!

[@melissaolson6917]

This is probably nitpicking but it’s driving me nuts how all these witnesses say ‘can you rephrase that?’ Vs ‘can you repeat’ that when they feign not understanding a question

[@jen_rose848]

When Caitlin Albert left the house and pulled out of the driveway, the car’s headlights would have been pointed directly at the flag pole, yet she didn’t see a body?!

[@meridithg.42]

But it was snowing, remember?? 😭😭

[@theConquerersMama]

It was snowing and most of us by habit would be looking at the road, on coming traffic type obstacles/looking for lights, not the lawn.

[@naes4822]

​. At almost 2 am on a side street, no traffic at all...

[@username.invalid763]

Ok , first it's basically a blizzard outside. Number 2 who is gonna turn on their lights then start looking out in the yard ? You are gonna look at the road or behind you if you were backing up.

[@anniemch2406]

And wouldn’t the boyfriend have seen it driving up to the house?

[@sandygrogg1203]

Emily, I was a paramedic with a local fire department for about eight years. Believe you me they had all shown up on my property. I would have definitely gone outside to ask what was going on. Also, something to consider. I know from my experience that most.EMS LE personnel would has scanners in their homes. Is quite likely that Albert already knew what was going on just because of that. But I do think that most people whose business it was to take care of these things would have gone out and ask what was going on. After all, it was his front yard.

[@kathleenromo7511]

I want to see everyone prosecuted that has lied and tried to cover up whatever really happened.

[@dragonfishxx]

Yes. I doubt they will be though. This was a investigation was so botched no one is ever going to be able to prove anything.

[@Lc0522]

Me too

[@alicyamatheson7877]

This morning was spicy 🔥🔥🔥 playing catch up for the afternoon (poo poo having to work)

[@tracytalksalot1513]

I found Brian Albert Jr pretty consistent and believable for the most part. He seems like he didn’t want to have any sort of part in any of it.

[@Mountaingoat4234]

Yeah he seems like a decent and truthful dude

[@SaraBlu]

Like a nice, nervous guy.

[@WatchTashi]

Then he should tell the truth. They all know what happened, bc the entire town of Canton seems to know.

[@diananewton6573]

Yeah, the drinks are what my kids his age drink. They take Ubers or get dropped off. He seemed to answer naturally.

[@michelemccowan5924]

Coached.

[@pamelamarek2309]

Thank you, for covering this important trial.

[@Swendigga]

•2:59:23 Brian Albert changed Phone number & Provider…. So is that an upgrade?⁉️⁉️ •Wait till u hear what HiggiNs did with his 📱 ‼️

[@Sleuth_Squad]

What did higgens do??

[@marlbboro8091]

Can not wait…..can not…bated breath

[@WatchTashi]

That's NOT an upgrade. That's an experienced Sargent Detective covering his behind.

[@randamgrrl]

​@@WatchTashiout of respect for others with that rank, it's Det. Sargeant.

[@zhicalsstudio]

There was a pedestrian in front of our building who I didn't even know. But when she fainted, I got out of the building to check on her and help if needed. I can't even imagine how no one of that family stayed inside and did nothing.

[@rachbethhuff4943]

OMG Soooooo GLAD u made the “My cousin Vinny” reference 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻. I have totally thought the same thing .. “ I shot the clerk??” I have seen that movie about 50 times . Now I can finally use that statement “I shot the clerk?” And it refers to a REAL case 🙌🏻🙌🏻. Love ur channel EDB ❤

[@sunnyday1868]

So the Albert's can hear a squeaking door but not sirens of firetrucks, ambulance & police cars😢

[@T-Marie812]

The house must be so insulated that it’s sound proof to outside noise. 😂

[@sunnyday1868]

@@T-Marie812 they must have the best insulator in the area😁

[@T-Marie812]

@sunnyday1868 with black out curtains

[@alexiswilkinson8512]

The dog to me is super suspicious. 1. The husband and wife called it "it" This dog has been a part of your family for 6/7 years.... 2. Any dog would bark if someone comes plowing in, busting down doors in the middle of the night. At the VERY least. 3. If the first time Chloe bit someone was in the middle of a dog fight AFTER this, why would the first thing you do is give her away? If shes utd on shots, pay the fine and then you make sure that dog doesnt come in contact with an other dog/stranger. Also, how do you re-home a dog with a bite history with no worry??? I couldnt and wouldnt. It takes a special kind of owner to handle dogs that are highly reactive/aggressive. And they are few and far between. Today doesnt sit well with me. Something fishy is going on.

[@annamelvina216]

The wife said that they contacted the person they got the dog from, and that person arranged for the dog to get rehomed with someone they knew. You'd think they could talk to both the dog breeder and the new dog owner to corroborate that story though...

[@nathansmith1085]

It blows my mind how many people come to a commentary law channel and complain about Emily giving commentary. Lol. These must be the people we have to put warning labels on pillows for.

[@taraA625]

Replay crew.. I wanted Jackson to say, "How convenient, Mr Albert... you got rid of your phone, you got rid of your dog, you got rid of your job and you got rid of your house. Is That a coincidence? " I dont believe a word of his testimony!

[@Alison1973]

I'm sure he'll say something like that in closing arguments. 😉

[@whoever6458]

Now I really want to know whether the flag was still up when EMS/cops arrived to the scene where they found John in the snow and, if so, whether they normally left it up or whether they normally took it down or illuminated it at night, as per the flag code. I wouldn't necessarily expect just anyone to do this but I would expect a cop to know that this is what one is supposed to do since I learned about it in fire academy myself and we always took down our flag at the station too unless we were on a call at sundown and then we'd take it down when we got back. My point is that anyone who would have gone out to take down the flag would have seen John's body had it been there at the time. Since they hadn't yet returned home by sunset, I would either expect them to go take it down when they did get home or to have not put it up in the first place due to the snow storm later on. If we still see the flag when the first responders arrive or whether we don't see it are both important things to establish. I wish I had thought about this earlier on when we had pictures of the scene. I might go look though.

[@2centswanted113]

What a great point

[@blobfishrescue]

Those Albert kids certainly got some amazing memory. Imagine not having to tell the police what happened that night for over a year and still remember every single little detail today, almost 2,5 years later. WITHOUT going through it all with your family. Who are they kidding.. How about “have we talked about it..? Yes of course we have.. who wouldn’t?” Cause.. WHO wouldn’t 🤯

[@Lu-li1ei]

Your aunt's/uncle's friend is found dead in your lawn and you don't discuss it with your family? But you do discuss the "harassment" you received as a result of said man being discovered a couple of feet from your house? Wtf?

[@blobfishrescue]

@@Lu-li1ei 100%! If it was me and my family actually didn’t have anything to do with it the discussions would be wild!! And if it was me and my family HAD something to do with it.. the discussions would be… just as wild 💁🏼‍♀️

[@kathybenes3137]

Can't wait for today thanks for all your hard work

[@paigemprice]

I can't wait to hear from Jen 😊

[@paigemprice]

Me too

[@TwiztidPain]

How can they get someone to testify at a grand jury or any hearing without formal interview, investigation, or sworn statements?

[@carliesmith3252]

Oh Caitlin, you forgot the story, it was your Dad and Higgins looking at family pictures UPSTAIRS girl.

[@erinwessley9642]

How could Brian Jr. see tire tracks from the window…seems like a long distance to see the tire tracks at night?

[@2centswanted113]

During a blizzard

[@freeburlington1]

The distance to the road isn’t very far, and having lived in a place where it snows, it’s pretty easy to see tracks in the snow when it isn’t yet very deep.

[@origamikiddo2625]

Why is it so jarring for me to hear Chris and Brian refer to Karen Read as the defendant?

[@venteuse]

Because from them it is dehumanising. From the attorneys and Court it is a designation with specific meaning and part of their professional terminology.

[@mishahhhh]

Exactly!

[@origamikiddo2625]

​@@venteuseyes, thank you! I felt it as distancing but couldn't put my finger on what else. It's the opposite of what Ms. Taylor is doing in Kohberger hearings when she always calls her client "Brian" not even just Mr. Kohberger. And I can maybe excuse Brian doing it as he is law enforcement and much of his way of speaking reminds me of my relatives in law enforcement, their work speech bleeds into "civilian" conversations especially when telling stories, it's like reading a police report. But Chris isn't law enforcement, he has a pizza shop. Yes, his brothers are in law enforcement but I'm not sure if would rub off that much on him. And I'm pretty sure even if Lally said Karen Read in the question Chris called her the defendant (I could be wrong). It sounded so weird to me when he answered that way instead of "Karen" or "her".

[@Mrs.Pittforever]

Thank you for asking. He will never be OK. His life came to a stop at 30 years old and he is permanently disabled. We love and support him, but it is heartbreaking.

[@lisagerson7735]

I would be outside post haste asking wtf was going on!

[@dzsemol]

The way BA said “John O’Keefe never entered into my house” had the same tone when A. Heard repeated her lies …

[@annabordelon6663]

Thanks EDB

[@jessi32717]

Is Karen gunna get on the stand?? Thank you for all the clarification and guidelines that you help us through this trial you have been amazing coming from Hanover Massachusetts ❤️🐾💕

[@foxymama9203]

Our poor favorite Greek couple!! Caitlin didn’t even acknowledge that they came in with her Aunt Jen and Uncle Matt! Really shows that if you aren’t a member of the Albert family or a good friend (obviously Brian Higgins made the cut) or locally famous for stepping up and being a hero for your family, you just don’t exist. I live in a small town like that where if your roots don’t go back several generations, you aren’t accepted in the groups that run the town. It makes it hard to be civic minded and want to participate because you are never really accepted. Just tolerated 😢

[@Princelover-ip4gn]

Super cliquey because they all grew up together. They already have friends and aren’t interested in making new ones. Outsiders are treated as such no matter how many years they live there, because they don’t have the childhood and family connections that the home town people all have. 🤷🏻‍♀️💜

[@jennymarie.]

I can’t stand people like that. 😔

[@claudiamaloney12]

Thank you for answering me. This is the strangest case .

[@Raymail-tj4cf]

I would subpoena the store records on when the phone was rehoused to see when it actually was.

[@Alison1973]

I would think that would've been really easy to do. But what do I know. 😂

[@meaghanjohnson370]

Replay crew, so CA offers a whole dissertation about the friendship dynamic with paramedic KM, but she wasn’t coached and isn’t following the case online 🤔

[@ellaw356]

Katlyn said they were looking at photos downstairs, and Brian Sr said it was upstairs in his bedroom. Also, when she left the house she would have passed his body.

[@rebeccaj5463]

I'll be honest, one of the best parts of being replay crew is the fact I can just skip through large parts of the direct testimony - props to Emily for listening to it all!

[@sandygrogg1203]

The son was the only one who seemed to be honest. Almost forgot my 25-year-old grandson does live at home. He doesn’t make enough money to live on his own yet. And he will be returning to school at some point in the near future. We live near Cincinnati, and the rents here are very high, not to mention the price of houses.most young people, I know simply cannot afford to go out on their own.

[@origamikiddo2625]

I agree, I liked him and he seemed consistent and not being evasive. My spouse lived at home until we got married at 26. He worked and they had an agreement on rent, food/meals, and laundry. Helped him save money, he helped with chores around the house, Hung out with friends and younger sibling when home from college. I have no problem with it as long as son/daughter are contributing to caring for home in whatever arrangement, and really paying even some small rent just helps ensure they are working and having to be responsible with their finances and following the house rules.

[@dragonfishxx]

My oldest lives at home and he's a bit older than that, he's the reason I can afford to pay my bills. I worry he feels obligated to live at home & that I'm holding him back.

[@annamelvina216]

Yeah I lived at home when I was 25, too. It just didn't make sense to move out when I barely had any money. I did what I could to cook and clean though!

[@pamelamarek2309]

Thank You✨🌹✨

[@suesmith6477]

This is like watching Ground Hog Day

[@ruxandramariatonea6498]

1,5 is not in fast enough for direct examination. I don’t get what Lally expects to achieve by boring everybody like this.

[@nicolemanukeu2598]

They said Brian Higgins parked in front of the mailbox so why didn’t Brian jr. see it when he looked out!

[@Coco_Sassy]

Yes I’m curious about that too! I could be wrong but I don’t think we have a timeline on when Brian Higgins left 34 Fairview yet.

[@lindamacdonald1178]

Emily you are so funny love your expressions x

[@origamikiddo2625]

42:22 I like this Brian Jr. He seems nervous but like a nice kid - i can say that cuz im old enough to be his mom. So far he seems like a guy who wanted to just chill at home with friends for his birthday and craziness happened around him At the cross, still think he seems like a good kid and he's not being cagey or evasive, any inconsistencies seemed like just different ways to say the same thing. And there was evidence he actually added. And once again we see police incompetence or maybe coverup in not interviewing him for 18 months!

[@RozeechildRN]

Do they think it's good for them to have Kaitlyn say she didn't see John?? The car lights facing that direction?? So his body wasn't there at 2am.

[@Lorabee]

Sounds like a hole to me! No Officer O’Keefe at 2.

[@cath1895]

Well yeh because then it’s a cover up and all are implicated..

[@karlykar21]

Here for the commentary, btw

[@theMinnieValentine]

I’m having such a hard time with the fact that the prosecution CHOSE to present the civilian witnesses before the more objective phone and digital evidence. In the trials I’ve seen, they do the foundational evidence first, and it’s so off putting that they have yet to present a single expert or official record. It makes it way more difficult to evaluate the credibility of the witnesses without seeing any digital evidence. If we had seen that evidence before the Alberts’ testimonies, how much would that have affected their credibility? If they are credible witnesses, why not prove that first with the digital evidence? Does the prosecution believe that digital evidence would make the witnesses look bad? Why start with the messy, less reliable testimony of people’s memories and impressions? It’s hard to see this decision as anything other than intentionally muddying the facts of the case. If they believed in their case, why is it not the priority to present a clear timeline or theory of the case if they have the ability to? Ignore the noise of the he said, she said, and prove your theory.

[@dragonfishxx]

Yeah, at first I thought it was just a weird choice. I am now starting to believe it was intentional.

[@annamelvina216]

Yeah. I'm sure they had to start with John's brother and sister-in-law so they would be allowed to watch the rest of the trial. And then going to the police and the paramedics made sense, but after that? It's a little confusing.

[@juliehinkel608]

Was his department aware that his house is a dead zone? How many vital professional calls has he missed?