Mac Pro 5,1 Switching OpenCore from Martin Lo Package to OpenCore Legacy Patcher

[@Cushmar]

Thank you for this video! I got stuck trying to install windows 11 on my 5,1 with the Martin lo package. Replaced with opencore legacy patcher using your video and it took to windows 11 installer right away!

[@sashagof]

Thank you! this was very helpful. Glad I switched to Open Core Legacy Patcher as I got my wifi and bluetooth back. Performance seems better too.

[@Albert-fw2pr]

Thank you, this information made me change and I am so pleased with opencore.

[@OpticalProducciones]

Thank you for sharing your experience in this video. For my part, I have had some considerations to make this same transition, but I must tell you that on a MacBook Pro Mid 2012 I have the OCLP and the only thing I don't like is that the boot time is very slow and that has made me not leave the OC Martin Lo on my cMac Pro.

[@douglas_edward]

Seems I've read about others having a slow boot time with OCLP. I haven't experienced that. Monterey boot is about a minute.

[@charleskimble]

I look forward to your follow up video when you install Ventura.

[@douglas_edward]

Thanks. I'm in no hurry. Let the brave ones work out the bugs.

[@chukcanuk]

@@douglas_edward likewise. I installed Monterey (with a clean install)with OCLP and the machine runs very well. The machine is giving me the option to install Monterey 13.4.1 which I'm told I can do(and others have) fom System Preferences, but I am concerned about losing Bluetooth, Wifi, and USB. So Monterey is fine for the moment.

[@peterhoffman4129]

Unfortunately for me its the end, Adobe Premiere and After Effects 2024 don't run anymore on a Mac Pro 5.1 because there is no AVX2 instruction set support on Xeon processors. After 15 years of loyal service and upgrades I have to use my Mac Pro 5,1 as a server or something. Davinci Resolve 18.6.4 runs very smooth on this machine however.

[@starsk13]

Thanks, very usefull ! Grettings from France

[@paulbailey6251]

You made this look so simple! I have a similar setup to you: Mac Pro 5,1 (upgraded 4,1) with OCLP (0.6.7) but Monterey is at at 12.6.5 and I would like to upgrade OCLP and Monterey. Would following your example work for me or is there more to it in my case?

[@douglas_edward]

If you already have OCLP installed, then you only need update OCLP and use Software Update in Settings to update to the latest OS. Make sure your GPU is supported in Sonoma, though (Navi I and Navi II are not). I use a Navi I Radeon Pro W5700 in my Mac Pro, so I am staying on Monterey.

[@paulbailey6251]

@@douglas_edward Hi, thanks for taking the time to respond. My GPU is a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 4 GB (flashed). What you say about updating sounds almost too good to be true - if I hadn't seen your demonstration. I think it would be wise for me to stay on Monterey. When you say 'Update in Settings', do you mean that I should allow the OS (Monterey) to carry out the update? The whole process used to be so tricky. I use a 4k BenQ monitor and it doesn't show the Apple boot screen even though it is flashed and works with other monitors - something about the drivers according to the people who flashed the GPU. Apparently, OCLP now shows a boot screen. Still can't fathom how easy you made it all look.

[@skyemac8]

Well done. Thanks!

[@gtech1975]

Hey Douglas! I wanted to ask you, I have noticed a lot of youtubbers that give tutorials regarding installing monterey on 5,1's ... You all have that cool looking cartoon mountain scape wallpaper. Can you please let me know how I can get that exact wallpaper for myself.

[@douglas_edward]

Sure. It looks like these came with Big Sur, from a little Googling. I don't know if you have to actually install Big Sur and then upgrade to Monterey to get them or if they will come in with a fresh install of Monterey. To get to them, right click o the desktop, then pick Change Desktop Background. Under the Apple folder there is a Desktop Pictures folder. In that folder they're under Dynamic Desktop.

[@MacSoundSolutions]

Nice Doug, cool that you can switch without a whole OS re install. From what I understand the RX6800 still are not supported with OCLP?

[@douglas_edward]

RX 6800 works fine in Monterey but not yet supported in Ventura. Only Polaris and Vega are supported in Ventura last I checked.

[@MacSoundSolutions]

@@douglas_edward oops I meant to say with Ventura and OCLP

[@douglas_edward]

Older Son sold me his M1 MB Air, which is on Ventura. Having used it for a few weeks I see no reason to update the Mac Pro. GPU drivers was the reason to update to Monterey, but I see no need to take the cMP further. Until I get bored this winter and need to try something new, that is.

[@mohandsaidsadmi9796]

​@@douglas_edward did we need to flash the rx6800 or 6800xt like with martin's opencore or just plug and play?

[@douglas_edward]

@@mohandsaidsadmi9796 yes, the RX 6800 (or XT) has to have the VBIOS modified with Syncretic’s fix tool or the Mac Pro won’t boot with the card installed.

[@MrTchilos]

Thank you dude

[@mailjabber]

I did a fresh install of Monterrey with OCLP with an 1 TB SSD in my 2012 MBPro. Once I installed my software my fast boot time, became 4-5 minutes. I have been able to live with that for having a bulletproof Montrerey installation on 11 yr old hardware. I don't know why it takes so long to boot either, but, I have verbose turned on and it definitely hangs for seconds multiple times on multiple points in the boot process, then tries again and again, until it gets past that point. It hasn't failed me in over 6 months of daily use, so I am leaving it alone.

[@greentokyo]

Thanks for this video!!

[@smyrnahome]

Hi Doug & thanks for the video. I went ahead and switched from Martin LO's version to OCLP as weell. However, I've ended up with painfully long boot times, 4-5 minutes, which wasn't the case with Martin LO's version of OC. Also, my system firmware version still states 144... & not 999... like yours does, any ideas why? I have the same cMP withan RX 590 (8GB) and a dual nVME with Monty & Venty installed. OC is installed on a separate SSD (SATA) with Mojave on...

[@douglas_edward]

I don't know what is causing the long boot times. That hasn't happened to me. I have Monterey and Windows 10 on separate SATA SSDs. Have not tried Ventura. I wonder if the patching needed to run Ventura is causing the boot time.

[@smyrnahome]

@@douglas_edward Thanks for taking the time to reply. Perhaps I'll experiment with moving the OC installation onto one of the other drives & may even try fresh install. Still puzzled over the system firmware version anomaly though...

[@RobbertvanGomNeumann]

Hi Douglas, do I understand you correct that the OCLP installation removes the MLOC package from the EFI partition or do I need to remove this manually? Appreciate your swift response. Thanks!

[@douglas_edward]

Yes. At 5:20 in the video it shows, "Removing preexisting EFI/OC folder". You don't need to remove it manually.

[@JosefFerger]

Thanks Doug for the video. Will try. I have an additional SSD with Mojave on it. Will that work after switching from OC to OCLP ? Thanks in advance for helping !

[@douglas_edward]

Sorry for the late reply. I see no reason that it wouldn't work.

[@JosefFerger]

@@douglas_edwardno problem... thanks !

[@VadimKupriyanov]

Hi! I used my MP 5.1 with Hi Sierra for sound (sample libraries) purposes in headless mode (without the graphic card) by ethernet connection to second computer. If I will install OCLP and Monterey, should I to buy metall graphic card (Radeon 580), or it can also work in headless mode without graphic card?

[@douglas_edward]

I don't believe there is a way to install any macOS Mojave or higher without a Metal supported GPU card installed. Once the OS is installed would then work with the card removed? I don't know.

[@theodoreivanov6257]

That's great, GPU flashing is a messy business. Douglas, I'm confused about two things: 1. at the beginning of the video, you mention that Monterey broke support for your nVidia Kepler card, so I would have expected to see you perform the move from M. Lo to OC Legacy under BigSur, yet in the video you do it under Monterey. How is this possible, if the card was not supported under Monterey to start with? 2. at the beginning of the video, it sounds like you are keeping the nVidia Kepler card in the 5.1. But at 4.30, OpenCore Legacy detects a Polaris GPU. That's more AMD than nVidia, isn't it ? Thank you in advance.

[@douglas_edward]

Sharp observations! I'll explain. This video shows the second Mac Pro that I switched. I didn't record the first one. The first computer had the RX 580 and Monterey. I switched OpenCore to Legacy Patcher, then removed the 580 and installed the GTX 760, then ran OCLP's root patch for Kepler driver. OpenCore provides a basic display driver that works on the GTX 760 for boot picker and the like, so it can be started up before the drivers are installed. But, it won't have hardware acceleration. Mouse pointer movements aren't quick or smooth. I now have the 580 in the second computer, the one used for the video.

[@theodoreivanov6257]

OK, that explains it.

[@jhillestad]

How do you make a full bootable backup of a system with opencore installed in case something happens?

[@douglas_edward]

I don’t know. Haven’t tried to make one.

[@ITAstroMark]

Carbon Copy Cloner/SuperDuper. When finished,use Clover to mount the EFI partition and copy over the EFI partition files from the source disk.

[@tizianosantambrogio413]

Hello .how can I install TITAN RIGDE 2 card on MAC PRO 5.1 ? MONTEREY 12.6.8 WITH OPEN CORE v.0.6.8. thank you Titian

[@douglas_edward]

There is a Facebook group for the Titan Ridge on Mac Pro. I have no experience with it.

[@MichelangeloVisconti]

You have to flash the mac firmware if you bought original cards. If you have buy already flashed card you only need to activate the TB3 aml file in the ACPI folder inside Opencore folder in the EFI partition

[@iM-mf1ke]

I am running Martin lo with a Sapphire Dual-x- r9 3gig of ram and I just installed the AMD Radeon Pro w5700 and my computer is running slower than before. The w5700 has 8 gigs and it should be faster. Do you think switching to OC will help?

[@douglas_edward]

I don't really think Martin Lo's OpenCore package or OpenCore Legacy Patcher will make a difference. What version of macOS are you running?

[@iM-mf1ke]

@@douglas_edward Monterey

[@mulls2go]

Ive just installed regular open core 6.8 monterey with 2010 5,1, amd rx580 8gb, 64g ram Should i install martin lo on it? It seems working fine

[@douglas_edward]

No, I don’t think there would be a benefit for switching.

[@jornzolondek8819]

i have the Martin Lo Patcher 0.95. and a Mac Pro 5.1 I use this package because of the Hwaccel with my rx580. Now I will update from Monterey to Ventura ! ist it possible ? Do you have any Experiences with that ?

[@douglas_edward]

Ventura and now Sonoma aren’t supported with Martin’s OpenCore package. They are with OpenCore Legacy Patcher. I skipped Ventura but have upgraded one of my classic Mac Pros to Sonoma. All is working well. I’m keeping one on Monterey because Ventura and Sonoma on OCLP don’t support my Navi 2 graphic card (yet). The OS upgrade is simple. Update OCLP then use System Preferences to update the OS same as on a supported Mac.

[@lueurs01]

Hii Douglas, II used OC with 3 versions of Mac OS (High Sierra, Mojave and Monterey. But my gpu died one month ago and I guess it was the gpu that make my screen black ( sapphire 7950). I finally got a RX 580 in good shape and install it, OC works but partially : Mojave on a sata ssd load alone when connected to a sata port... I cannot boot in the 2 other OS on my nVMe SSD High Sierra and Monterrey. If I disconnect the ssd that contains Mojave then I generally have a boot screen that offers me. High Sierra and Monterey. I would like to have the 3 systems on my boot page. Did OCLP might be helpfulll ? Any suggestion ? Regardss.

[@douglas_edward]

Hello @luers01, I don't expect that OCLP vs. Martin's OC will make any difference if they both use the same OpenCanopy boot picker. But, I could be wrong. Suggest you post this question on the OpenCore on the Mac Pro Facebook group. I don't know what you aren't seeing all three OSs at boot.

[@lueurs01]

@douglas_edward I cannot use Mojave easily since I install RX580 GPU ... If Mojave ssd disk is connected, I do not have a boot page at all and Mojave boot immediately. OCLP seems easier to configure than OC. Also may be in the future I might be able to add another OS from Apple. Thanks a lot for your post and fast response.

[@douglas_edward]

@@lueurs01 OCLP spoofs the 2019 Mac Pro by default, which isn't compatible with Mojave. Get into OCLP settings and change spoofing to the 2017 iMac Pro instead, which can run Mojave through Sonoma.

[@lueurs01]

Thanks a lot for this one. I am learning the spoof tip used with Mojave here. I understand that the same setting (2017 iMac Pro) can also run High SIerra witch I wish to use. Have a good day.

[@LordJasonKing]

Where did you get that wallpaper?

[@douglas_edward]

That wall paper comes with Big Sur. Since I had installed Big Sur and upgraded to Monterey, the Big Sur wallpapers stay there to use.