STIHL MSA300 vs MS261 Chainsaw | Is FUEL DEAD?!

[@JPPVESA]

I rock three MS 200, one MS 170, two Makita cord saws and one Stihl cord saw. All from the early 2000s onward. Bought my first multitronic MS 241 10 years back in 2013 and that MS 261 in 2019. They all run and have their purposes. Bought an MSA 220C last year and even with the AP500s battery it was a complete let down, sold it off last Saturday and bought this MSA 300C today. I can finally give an approval and a word of confidence toward this new technology after having a go with it. I work in log construction and restoration, and we put these machines through the mill, not an easy life for any equipment. The 220 couldn't even push through a 6" log without easing off before the chain stopped moving. My own extension with 8" thick walls was completely off limits to it. Joinery was nearly impossible to accomplish and every small kickback would loosen the chain cause the fast tensioning couldn't handle the strikes. Found this video a bit amusing trying to discreetly discredit petrol chainsaws as outdated. My worksites don't often even have electricity to recharge the batteries and running a set of three 500€ batteries can get a bit expensive not to mention difficult just to make it through a work day. All these machines have their uses. I'm just glad Stihl finally came up with a battery option that allows unhinged indoor operating. The component shortage limited the resales over this behemoth last year they just arrived to the open market couple of weeks ago.

[@RV77JON4H]

The cross cut speed test: the 261 wasn't pushed into the wood hard enough; meant that it was revving over it's torque band and dusting instead of eating the wood. If it had had more load behind it the revs would have droped and the torque would have been right i.e. 9000rpm vs 12000 and got through log quicker.

[@iasha740]

That's what I saw, I didn't hear the revs dropping on the 261 as much as with the 300, meaning it was barely being pushed. Also the dust you are getting with it does mean that one, the chain is dull or two, you are not pressing hard enough.

[@nheng6913]

@@iasha740 Ditto

[@iacobeniful]

De acord. Iar turatia lui 261 fara garnirura de taiere,13400 rpm in gol, este putin. Trebuia cel putin 14600 rpm.

[@wodzimierzmezynski7864]

Ponadto 261 cięła nieco grubszy kawałek drewna.

[@SjoerdV83]

I've been using this MSA 300 for little over a year now, and it's absolute beast. It just doesn't cut trees, it slaughters them. I'm running 2 ap500 batteries and charge them with an inverter in my car. 1000 watt inverter. When i've buttcherd my first customer of the day the battery needs to be replaced and the empty bat gets charged in my car. And I keep rotating them for the rest of the day.

[@ImpartiallySpeaking]

Really interesting, thank you. How would it compare with the much less expensive Husqvarna 540iXP?

[@joshuabush2569]

I'm a big fan of engines, I trained as a mechanic before getting into landscaping. I still love servicing and tuning my 2 and 4 stroke garden machinery but I think it's pretty inevitable that battery will replace most if not all garden machinery soon enough... I've switched to all Ego apart from my mower and brush cutter but I think I'll be fully battery soon enough. They are such a joy to use.

[@hairychainsaw2629]

Really impressed with my RMA 448 battery mower.. think Hayes might sell them!

[@michedmck]

Thanks for the great review! I am currently running the Stihl MSA220c. It's an impressive saw for what it is, but I think the 300 is a cut above, so to speak. My main concern with battery powered saws is the huge cost, and I find it difficult to justify this extra outlay. Just like the Tesla cars which have about 80% fewer parts, they should be cheaper than petrol cars, but alas... The same holds true for Stihl's MSA range. Just think - no critical engineering of internal combustion motors (think piston, con-rods, cylinders), clutches, ignition modules, exhaust systems. Just a plain brushless motor with some gears, and an electric controller. Should cost half of the petrol equivalent! And the there's the battery - heavy, expensive, short-lasting. Let's hope it's a case of economies of scale - tight now we're paying for development costs. But once battery saws are in the mainstream, they should (here's hoping) be cheaper than petrol saws... My 20c

[@MachineryNation]

Thank you Mike, I have to agree with you, they should be so much cheaper than petrol! With Stihl being at the forefront of chainsaw manufacture they spend millions on r&d, the initial cost of these products is pretty to much pay this bill. The same as Tesla, they have only just started turning a profit after how many years of development? Fingers crossed… they come down in price in a few years 🤩

[@sirvozelo1]

Hello I have the 220C to and I also have the 161T, each one on it´s class the 161T as of my concern is far superior. I just buy the MSA300 2 weeks ago I have used it one time about 15 minutes and other time about 3 hours, is no way in the world the 220C got even near power-wise. The big problem is the battery I was using the AP500 and if running in full power mode cutting logs about 3/4 of the blade (i was with 40cm.) you may got 15 minutes battery time. If you go in the second speed witch is little slow you maybe around 30 minutes. One thing I notice I was next to the house so wile I was using one battery I was charging another one, with charger500 I recharge themes before they got in red light however when I put themes to charge the the red light come on and it may take about 12 minutes for the 500 charger to cool the batteries, at same time the temperature outside was about 34 centigrade and on the garage probably 25+. Yes is a very fast saw I just wish the batteries with last little longer. One thing that give me a little stress was the button on the side that we must press before the trigger so the machine with run, I am accustomed to the design of the 161T and the 220C and this one don´t feels as comfortable to me, but maybe is a matter of got use to it.

[@Comm0ut]

As I've found with my many cordless tools the up-front cost is higher but my time is worth money and they always pay off. I'm a lifelong mechanic but chainsaw fuel systems will never not be annoying. When I had shoulder replacement surgery I also had trees to fall and cordless worked a treat. Now my carefully mothballed gassers have hung on the wall since 2018 along with my nice Shindaiwa weedeater. Cordless tool cost isn't "huge" in constant dollars and total O&M (operation and maintenance) cost is more relevant over time than purchase cost. Quality cordless tools last (I still use my 2005-era V28 Milwaukee recip and portaband saws). No more spring fuel system rituals and being able to grab and go are great advantages. Cordless tools are far better for DIYers than say a homeowner who is otherwise helpless but needs a chain saw now and then. The batteries for my chainsaws also power drills, angle grinders, recip saws and other tools so every addition to the fleet is useful. With labor costs being so high tools are a screaming deal for those who use them or use them over time. A few hundred bucks isn't much per year over say a decade.

[@em4703]

I don't know why they call it equivalent to a 50cc saw when it weighs as much as a MS 400 and it most definitely doesn't come close in power to it. But hey, if all you need is low noise and a 16" bar and respectable grunt, I get it. It definitely has its use. I guess in ~10+ years we'll see some nice jumps in power-to-weight ratios in battery chainsaws. When they'll make one equivalent to a 661, they'll definitely take my attention and probably money.

[@markatkinson9963]

Wave of the future. Gas powered saws are going to be on their way out for the consumer soon.

[@leifvejby8023]

That is simply because it has the power and cutting speed of a 50ccm. About the weight, I can easily find a 50ccm that is heavier than this one!

[@johnkennedy8363]

Don’t forget the stench of 2 stroke oil that lingers on you clothes for days.

[@leifvejby8023]

@@johnkennedy8363 That is not a problem when using alkylate petrol.

[@chrisyerp174]

Did the guy above try perfume lol

[@AaronDav-nq8hk]

I like the whole battery idea, but for me the noise is part of the chainsaw experience........love the sound chainsaws make!

[@tinmanstavern]

Same here

[@MachineryNation]

You will have to get a recording to play alongside 😂

[@AaronDav-nq8hk]

@@MachineryNation Hahahhah yep

[@landonfricker5336]

It really is crazy how far battery powered equipment has come. Interesting to see how many people take it up.

[@MachineryNation]

Thank you Landon, it has come a long way will be more interesting to see where it is in 5 or 10 years 😎

[@danielpollard3504]

Definitely worth considering, I love running my 261, the only draw back I can see is the extra weight of the MSA 300

[@mattvarner1]

Yeah that electric saw is very close to the weight of a 462 loaded on the scale

[@skitidet4302]

@@mattvarner1 Yeah, and there's a big increase in power with the MS462, especially since you can port it. It can probably put out close to twice the power with an aggressive porting job.

[@ButchHudson]

The new battery saw performs really well. But for me, working in forrest to get my firewood, I would need 5-6 batteries with me. That is OK, I can prepare them, fully charge in advance and recharge them overnight. But entry costs of chainsaw + 6 batteries is a killer. I better buy 2 petrol chains and still save money.... Maybe once the prices will be more reasonable.

[@kurtdonney356]

Great review but one thing that was not discussed was the how long a battery last before the need of a recharge? The electric saw may cut quicker but if you have to wait for 2 hours for a battery to charge when you could just refuel the 261 and get back to work.

[@MachineryNation]

Video coming soon 👍🏼

[@seanmartin8007]

If you buy a second battery you can swap on and off. Sure it’s more $ but it’s better than messing with carburetor and gas.

[@CatastrophicNewEngland]

Where are chainsaws predominantly used? In the woods. Where is there nowhere to charge a battery? In the woods. This is all a marketing gimmick to sell very expensive batteries to people who have been convinced that burning fossil fuel is bad, but haven't been enlightened to how every part in both saws requires lots of oil to mine, refine, manufacture, ship, & charge the batteries. If you live off grid and have your own solar, it could be great, though that "eco" canola B&C oil takes an awful lot of diesel to plant, fertilize, spray (glyphosate), harvest, press, package…

[@kingding8569]

That’s why have have 2 or 3 batteries

[@BowHunterPPN]

@@kingding8569 Wow. 2-3 batteries to work in the woods? With a minimum 8-hour work day? You need at least 9 of them (assuming that each one actually lasts those 44 minutes - 8 hours minus some breaks for breakfast, cigarette, etc ~ 6.5 hours). So let's count. One chainsaw - £744, plus 9 AP500S batteries - £3465 (£385 each), plus AL301-4 charger - £300. £4509 in total. Stihl MS261 - £924. Only at home you can charge the batteries. Trees do not have power sockets. This chainsaw will probably be a good choice only for gardeners.

[@andrewford80]

Your tach "wheel" needs to be the exact same circumference as the sprcket you're reading off to get an accurate RPM reading of the engine. It looks to me like it's a little smaller, so it would read higher.

[@abc-bca]

It's sad their 'quantitative' test overlooks such details, besides acknowledging Stihls specification is different. Well at least the sprockets on these two saws match so the comparison is valid, as for both an inflated value is measured.

[@laguintasuarez6601]

I was running this saw for about 2 hours at about a 30-50% duty cycle kzbin.infoUgkxfQm1wmg0ItKDLavxj1nXtQY9HP7EF504 and it did a great job. I used the lever for the built in sharpener to clear chip buildup out more than to actually sharpen the chain. It managed to cut some hardwood stumps much larger than it's size without bothering the neighbors with hours of 2 stroke noise.

[@MachineryNation]

Thanks 👍🏼

[@ryanbruner8928]

Look at that bar oil dump during the rpm tests,what a great sight :)

[@MachineryNation]

Gushing 🤤

[@redgum78]

Battery run time wasn't really mentioned. In similar conditions how much wood would the big battery cut compared to a tank of fuel? Great video- thanks for the comparison.

[@MachineryNation]

Thank you Redgum. More videos to come 🤩

[@sethgehman844]

up to 44 minutes

[@chriscodes1]

One issue is definitely weight and therefore agility and effect on fatigue. Carrying around an extra 3lbs for the battery for 12 hours straight will definitely be noticeable at the end of the day.

[@TheDarkLandsMusic]

it would build your muscles up... some people say the MS 881 , that's nearly 13kg with the bar, I love the MS881, a proper work out

[@ashtonlindsay-brothers8348]

The saws just keep getting better and better

[@andrewadam9544]

great comparison apart from the run times, as someone who owns a top end off road Ebike i have seen the massive improvements in battery and their management systems over just a couple of years, however one thing that hasnt improved is the price of the equipment or the batteries, you commented about the cost of fuel rising and rightly so, however have you seen the price rise of lithium and cobalt etc which batteries use ? the cost of batteries, recharge times (if your even near a plug ! ) will always be very restrictive and for any user other than an occassional user the run time or cost of spare batteries for a full days work in the woods makes this a total non starter

[@jossmith1990]

This is one great video! Really impressed with the performance of that MSA300 🤘🏼. Well made guys

[@MachineryNation]

Surprising results. Even James maybe converted 😂

[@230e4]

Nice video fella's. I have been looking forward to seeing this saw in action. I like that it is built beefier than the smaller battery saws, however one drawback is the weight, batteries are heavy. How does the battery run time compare to tanks of fuel used between the saws?

[@aresident7745]

notice how they didn't answer you? because they were paid to make this video

[@jebert34]

Some other demos put the 500 battery around 20 minutes in standard power.

[@coffincornermusic]

How long can you saw before replacement of the battery? And does it charg the new battary as fast as emptying the one you use? And what is the lifespan of a battery? Those are my questions with this electrical stuff. But over all I'm really impressed 👌

[@MrNotetyme2012]

Unfortunately, no one ever answers those specific questions in these videos...

[@verticalchallenger]

You can charge them as fast as you use them in most cases. I run 3 batts and have continuous power all day. Today was remote so I charged one batt with a small, quiet suitcase generator but we’re normally in urban spaces with outlets🙌🏾

[@dwainetyncompany]

Nothing beats the sound and the sheer elegance of traditional petrol saws. I run only Stihl motomix in my ms261 and I get double the cut time and the saw just purrs. Motomix is good for what, three years on shelf life? Electric is nice, convenient, reliable and clean. But you won't ever rid humanity of the desire for those smelly good fumes and loud noises. Just no way!

[@buckeye_bear6130]

Motomix is good for 2 years after opening the container. Definitely improves performance but also very pricey. A worthy substitute is high octane Ethanol free fuel mixed with Stihl premium 2 stroke. Lucky for me I have a place close by that has 90 octane E-free fuel and the saws love it (261 and 400) 👍🏼

[@Mickymaxywonder]

Agreed

[@chickenLegs2.0]

What are these like for vibrations? In comparison to petrol?

[@harmaforest]

Hey. Good video! Both saws should be tested simultaneously for their battery and tank life, for example by sawing logs of the same thickness.

[@MachineryNation]

100% another video coming soon, please subscribe 👍🏼

[@williamdonnelly4671]

I wish for a big plug in saw.#

[@aresident7745]

then time how long it takes to charge a battery/vs how long it takes to fill a tank lol this video is a farce plain and simple lol

[@verticalchallenger]

You have multiple batteries, just as you wouldn’t only have one tank of gas on-site. Battery swap is much faster than filling a gas tank, actually. As a pro arborist with a fleet of both gas and batt saws, I reach for the batt saws 95% of the time. No farce, just facts.

[@barnabyhull3303]

battery is the future of not annoying the neighbors

[@MachineryNation]

That is a very good argument to avoid an argument 👍🏼

[@guly]

I dont like it. Im not born yesterday. You can easily see on the big log you did small rocking motion with the dogs with the MSA 300, while on the petrol you just let the weight of the saw so the cutting. We are not blind, and i dont understand why someone would do it like that... Everything else is quality with this video, and the electric saw is impressive. But the small rocking shows the tester wants the electric saw to do better. Thats not objective teating

[@lifooz2955]

Refreshing with someone else call out these BS-testers! I´ve just for fun been watching some clips, and they often put one machine in favo for another and rigs the test for that machine! /L

[@mociczyczki]

yea anyways thise saws cut the same basically as both have 3 kw according to stihl 👌🏻

[@jacobfurnish7450]

I think this would be a nice chunking climbing saw for bigger wood. The problem with gas ones is once you are in a tree. throwing out your shoulder isn't fun and its more dangerous. My boss currently runs a top handle Makita. When its quiet, its much easier to communicate. Battery saws have a lot more advantages in the tree than on the ground (unless you are cutting Y's out of branches all day for a chipper.) But yeah, too expensive at the moment. They need some Tesla batteries in there XD.

[@skitidet4302]

They should add a swivel to the batteries so they are easier to send up to the the climber. I would imagine that these are almost impossible to secure well with rope, I guess you have to send them up in a bucket or you have to send the saw down to your ground crew.

[@jacobfurnish7450]

@@skitidet4302 Yup you send the saw down to the ground crew, then they do a battery swap and then the climber pulls back up the saw.

[@doingstuffdownunder8208]

They're excellent for that purpose and Stihl has been making them for a while now. I've been using a MSA161 T since 2015 and it hasn't failed me yet.

[@donmayberryjrsOPE]

I'll say that we all need to be extra careful while using any battery saw because the noise just isn't there. You know, the typical saw noise that keeps us awake!

[@Rodbuilder109]

I just came across your KZbin channel courtesy of Steve small engine repair from Canada. I like how you compared the gas engine equivalent to the battery operated steel chainsaw.

[@MachineryNation]

Thank you Lance and welcome to the channel 🤩

[@showdown7512]

Wonder how the battery will handle colder weather?

[@clintbliss2046]

They get weaker

[@ChrisNieves]

Can’t come to terms for a battery saw to replace my ms462cm. Maybe for light pruning but I have a Husqy 545 mk2 for that.

[@daveyboy6985]

My boss just picked up one today. Haven't used it yet, but really looking forward to. 😉

[@MachineryNation]

Awesome Davey, let us know what you think 👍🏼

[@harlanborders943]

It’s fast but what happens in cold weather to the battery will it still perform the same

[@MachineryNation]

Great question Harlan. Usage in colder condition should not make to much difference but storage is a whole different issue.

[@charlythouvenot1746]

That looks great, if you don't look at the prices....msa300 is too expensive! Ap500s too I prefer my ms400c for the same weight, and less money with more power

[@anthonyjensen3483]

How does it do in snow / cold and wet ?

[@MrNotetyme2012]

@warpfire congratulations!!! How's it running after all this time?

[@KamronFultz]

I have an MSA 220 and have used it against a monster 18in average size trunk tree and it made quick work of it. I can't imagine the sheer power this thing must be able to produce.

[@Henrysmith-v1b]

That chain saw is amazing I’m looking for one and now I will buy it after this video

[@MachineryNation]

Thank you, Thank you for Subscribing 😇

[@zackhaas3267]

I heat exclusively with wood, so a trip to the woods to cut firewood is an all day thing. Have both a gas saw and a 40v battery saw with 3 batteries. The 40v has plenty of power and cuts great, but it has its place, and that is as a backup in the woods and for when I'm processing my logs once back home. Having to depend solely on batteries when you need a full day of cutting is impossible without having the ability to charge in the woods. Taking a can of premix gas is much easier and a lot more reliable. The other problem with the batteries is they are super expensive, and you can probably only expect 2-3 years out of them before having to replace at $100++ each. A replacement carburetor is $50 maybe and should last many years if cared for properly. Gas will NEVER go away, but each has its place and it's use. For someone who just needs to clean up the occasional storm debris, or cut one pickup full of wood for supplementary heating, battery is great, but for someone who needs to spend all day cutting without the worry of charging, gas is still the obvious choice.

[@showdown7512]

Is the battery one heavier?

[@chrisd2374]

Great channel stumbled across while chainsaw shopping! Now off to the website.

[@MachineryNation]

Let us know if there is anything you need 😎

[@Tihiroprjckuh9000]

Я очень доволен аккумуляторной пилой.

[@dougphillips5686]

Wow, great video. I'm going to get a cordless chain saw. STIHL looks like the one.

[@MachineryNation]

Awesome, thank you Doug 🤩

[@billli4]

Flat out you will get about 45 minutes per battery so you would need half a dozen batteries for a days work?

[@MachineryNation]

If you use it all day long then you would need several batteries. Plenty of pros would not need it continually all day 👍🏼

[@billli4]

@@MachineryNation if you use it all day long you would need at least 8 batteries, there is a place for electric saws, I have an electric Husqvarna top handle, brilliant bit of kit but until they produce a large electric chainsaw that can run for 8 hours with one battery change then they are never going to be common place out in the forest where there's no electric to recharge them is there unless we spend a small fortune of a box full of batteries and charge the customer twice or three times what we charge now and that's never going to happen. On a good day we will use four gallons of fuel, just how many batteries does that equate to please!

[@ODYSSEYdnb]

Impressed with the 300. I’m waiting on the new top handle though

[@MachineryNation]

Later this year 🤩

[@danch123]

It's seriously impressive how far battery equipment has come along. I'd love to see a battery saw actually fell a decent tree though. Yet to see any video if this done in the UK.

[@sirvozelo1]

You can bet the MSA300 can fell a decent tree, for about 1 year sense I have it I have fell quite few oaks and also using the saw in a continuous cutting from a pile of logs, in did that is not the issue the real issue is even the best battery the AP500S fail short for this saw. If you cut continuos on a 40cm diameter oak 11 or 12 cuts and you need to recharge the AP500S battery.

[@pitchpines3851]

Hope to see these in the states soon. Great video as always!

[@MachineryNation]

Hopefully soon 🤩

[@ROGERWALDMAN]

price comparison ? how many cuts on a battery

[@megamike4357]

Any idea of the run time is on a battery?

[@MachineryNation]

Not yet, video soon. Please subscribe so you don’t miss it. 🤩

[@DJC995]

Nice One looks a good saw will the 500 battery's work in the other equipment Thanks again

[@adambatchelder4121]

Recharge time ? Spare battery cost?

[@1071Halil1453]

husqwarna mı iyi yoksa stıhl mi daha iyi dostum? yardımcı olursan sevinirim

[@the_bloke_that_cuts_the_grass]

I'm still very old school and so tend to think if it ain't noisy it ain't powerful but this was an excellent comparison video. I wonder where the tree huggers sit with sawing down trees with an electric saw? Does one cancel out the other 😂

[@MachineryNation]

This is very true Al. Probably still get someone shouting out “you have ruined everything for us” 😂😂

[@csd9173]

Pretty sad, you didn't mentioned the battery time. Some other youtubers tested the 500 at max Power and the battery did not passed the 10min.... Nevertheless great video 🤗🖒

[@CatastrophicNewEngland]

So for a full day's work in the woods, you'd need what, 10 grand in batteries? Or... one medium can of gas. I've also found that listed battery cycle life ratings are grossly exaggerated. Especially in high current draw/fast charge situations.

[@JustFishing1489]

I love my 20” dewalt, but the Stihl looks cool.

[@MachineryNation]

Thank you Warren 🤩

[@SamuraiSam91]

My concern is out working in the middle of nowhere forestry, how long my battery lasts and how many batteries I'd need to have with me for a day's work vs the cost of 1 battery

[@asitturnsout7108]

nice to see some more powerful battery saws coming up. I love my 200c

[@MachineryNation]

Thank you 🤩

[@jasonmcmillan4373]

A quick check of the Stihl Australia website seems to indicate that we can't get the MSA300, the MSA220 is as high as it goes as far as battery chainsaws available to Australians.

[@markfrench2700]

At 12:26 you didn't yell out TIMBER as that small vertical branch fell😋 good video guys

[@MachineryNation]

Darn I missed a trick. It was suck a big fell too!

[@AlexTheCynic]

Commenting on the big log cut the 261 looks planted and smooth. It has constant torque. Instead the battery one looks like it lose power for a fraction of a second and pulls your arms ahead more abruptly.

[@squirlnutsbigsack4864]

Also it seemed to me he definitely used the dogs twice for the electric model, and maybe sort of used the dogs once in the beginning of the cut for the gas model. That will be enough of a time difference that the side by by kinda becomes irrelevant. Its not an equal comparison.

[@annaaron3510]

Now for something completely different ( thx Monte !) -- life of lithium batts ? What happens to batts in cold ( we're here in lovely Maine U.S.A. ) ? In the "back 40" how many batts do we need when the charge dies ? Love you two lovebirds, butt I love my MS261 circa 2014 for cutting 6-8 cords ( real ones ) per year plus trail clearings. Just changes of chains, bars, plugs, filters, and rotator cuff (sic).

[@annaaron3510]

Forgot the rim sprocket change on the MS261.....sorry guys.

[@stevesedgwick5789]

All that was missing was a price comparison and how much a spare battery will cost

[@myvidedits]

Great video lads. In your follow up video could you show cutting speed with 1/4 battery power left to see if there is a drop off as the battery gets near to empty? Thanks

[@MachineryNation]

Yeah for sure 👍🏼

[@zaccheus]

So with some shoddy math, I come to the conclusion that they are about the same power to weight ratio based of the the weight and second cut test times. It's mighty cool and does have benefits, but I don't think electric saws will merit the replacement of my gas saws until they have a better power to weight ratio.

[@barrybrown4869]

How long does the battery take to charge from a vehicle?

[@markburridge6339]

Great comparison. Looking for something to carry while off roading. Think the MSA 220 c-b is a better fit for me. I would like to see a comparison of the AP 300S and the AP 500 batteries running in the MSA 220 c-b.

[@MachineryNation]

That’s awesome Mark, please let us know if we can help 👍🏼

[@chainsawjenna]

Great video guys! This helps me figure out my next saw! Keep up the great work!

[@MachineryNation]

Thank you so much Jenna 😎 I hope the carving is going well!

[@outdoorswithlarryrobin]

We have the MSA220 and the MS180 the same results in our testing 🚜👍🏼🇺🇸

[@hairychainsaw2629]

Nice video. I've been running an MSA200c with AP300 batteries as a 'garden saw' (basically replaces what my Silky used to do). The bigger saws look great, but I would be really interested in what the run time is, as you can't always rely on somewhere to charge-up. I would also be interested in a cost comparison, ie MSA 300 with charger and AP300 battery vs MS261.

[@SjoerdV83]

You have to use the ap500s batteries to run the msa300 at top power. With the ap300 batteries it will only run on eco mode. Keep that in mind. Also the battery backpack will run the msa300 only in eco mode.

[@jakalestan5704]

after a quick search it seems that MS261 (680GBP) is round 2/3 of the price for MSA 300 + AP 500 + charger (1060GBP)

[@malizeka13]

Which oil you buy for MSA 220 ?

[@tomwilkinson6582]

Vid Request... Could you do a video on how the MSA 300 and other bigger battery saws work with the AP300 battery, how much less power than with the AP300s or 500. I have the msa200 with ap300 batteries like I'm sure a lot of people do. I want to expand into some of the bigger saws but obviously don't want to have to buy different batteries. Thanks Guys, love the videos, keep up the good work.

[@julianalderson3938]

Just somethin bout electric saws. Chain seems to argue if on an angle. Not sure sproket or why, just found that. Looks good cheers

[@MachineryNation]

Yeah the earlier one certainly did, the newer ones seem a lot smother 👌🏽

[@adamcross652]

We've got one of the smaller stihl battery saws and the other weekend it did 4 hours of light cutting on battery

[@MachineryNation]

That’s awesome Adam. With this one it will only take you 2 hours 😉

[@chainsaw_Expert_Chris]

What an awesome test between the MSA 300 and the MS 261! I was really surprised by how quickly both saws performed, especially the MSA 300's smooth cuts. It's interesting to see how electric saws are really stepping up to compete with gas models. What do you think about the future of battery-powered tools in professional settings? Looking forward to more tests!

[@roylewis2708]

Absolutely spectacular performance, Impressed !! Great comparison guys !!

[@MachineryNation]

Thank you Roy 🤩🤩

[@peterdunn2704]

Hi guys, will you do a review on the new Stihl Tsa 300 12 inch saw?? Looks like it could change the level of frustration across all landscapers and builders! Thanks, good honest content as usual !

[@foxlake6750]

I have a 261 and MSA220 with two AP300 batteries. These are two different saws, with different missions. No way the MSA300 can match the 261 in a forest falling situation for any period of time, so I use the MSA220 for limbing, small trees and pruning jobs. Quick and convenient, without the noise. Then there is the expense, the MSA220 with batteries and charger is more than the 261, which is hard to justify. The reason I own a 220 ? I bought it barely used at a big discount from a guy who was disappointed with the performance as his primary saw.

[@MachineryNation]

That’s fair enough, the 220 is a nice little saw. But the 300 is on a another level! Yes you would need a lot of batteries if using for whole day forestry jobs, but for a lot of commercial applications where you are not using the saw continually, in my opinion, the 300 is better than the 261 👍🏼

[@anastaciojrc.antonio9918]

How to avail the unit msa300 battery operated

[@GreggCesaroni]

Impressive yes. Practical, no. If another hurricane Ian ripped through Florida, I don't think it would work. Especially when the power is still out to charge the battery. I got stuck with an electric chainsaw and had to bring my generator along but I was running out of battery faster than they could charge. I wanted a 362 but couldn't find one anywhere. Luckily I was able to get a 261 (the only one within a 50 mile radius after the storm) with a 20 inch bar and finished the job. I was able to cut through 16-18 inch logs with it. Next saw I get will probably be the 881. Just because lol

[@relaxingnature2617]

I have the msa 140 ..its fantastic

[@kristincichosz6304]

I think battery will replace gas one day but I am wondering the difference of when your battery dies you have to wait a hour or two for it to charge instead of just pouring some gas into the tank and the spare battery's are expensive also the difference of how long the battery lasts and how temperature would affect it but still a great review but I am not in the budget for a new saw when I already have a 261

[@westernman3290]

I love how everyone be like “you don’t have to pay for petrol” SURE it’s like $600 dollars more which is equivalent to buying 150 gallons of gas, but you don’t have to pay for electricity sooo… wait, you do 😮

[@dannoplug88]

Great vid lads, looks a good bit of kit that 👍

[@MachineryNation]

Thank you Dan 😎

[@lamarr1986]

Thanks for this cross analysis of the two saws, I still think for practicality the 261 wins.

[@MachineryNation]

Thanks Mark 👍🏼

[@marktcso]

Cuts per battery charge? How long does it take to charge? Thanks guys, great videos

[@MachineryNation]

More vids to come. Make sure you subscribe 🤩

[@terrygreen6088]

So what I like to know is how many cuts can you make on a tank of fuel and how many on a battery and how would it compair over 5 years when the battery's lose their power

[@Cannibal440]

Why do you blip the "throttle" between cuts?🤔

[@MachineryNation]

Force of habit from using petrol saws 😂 same as blipping the throttle between gears on your favourite truck I guess haha.

[@elanshmueli1]

great video, im looking forward for the comparasion beatween the msa 220 tc and the ms 201 t...

[@allgood6535]

Pushing forward a bit more on the 300 on last test

[@lynchcreekmuzzy5759]

I really would like to see Stihl allow these chainsaws to not only accept batteries but also an AC Adaptor that can allow for a 110V plug in power source....like Metabo power drills, etc. Also, as the chainsaws increase in size (hopefully 660 equivalent)...so will the battery weight. They should come out with a BackPack to counterbalance that weight and to also have an additional 110v plug in for running as a Mill. Lots of Potential!

[@MachineryNation]

Thank you Lynch. That’s an interesting idea, the trouble is 110v in Europe is only for site work, everything else is 230v and that market is not big enough for the chainsaw manufacturers to produce something like that. Most of the time chainsaws are a long way from power unless on a domestic property.

[@skitidet4302]

At first I thought the battery backpack sounded like a great idea, then I remembered that I used to work with electronics recycling and have seen 100s of lithium batteries burn VIOLENTLY like fireworks. There's no way I'm strapping something akin to 15kg of napalm on my back without some kind of very fast ejection button. I don't want to risk looking like those napalm victims from Vietnam.

[@skitidet4302]

Still a bit poor in the power to weight and power to cost department, but it's other advantages actually makes it a real competitor. I might actually get one of these if some clients really appreciates me making less noise, but I will miss the singing of the 2 stroke so I will definitely charge them a bit extra for it.

[@demetriogranados3879]

The power head with battery on that thing is 14 pounds which is slightly heavier than the 500i. Which means it's heavier than all the pro saws. I think battery saws are cool but still have a ways to go before you can compare them to gas saws. If you ever spent the whole day cutting you will know that weight matters. Plus the price with everything you need is still outrageous.

[@rizalfahrezi5024]

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[@MachineryNation]

I'm not sure. If you have a Stihl dealer local to you. Give them a shout. Thank you.

[@bryantitus6634]

Stihl rates the 261 at 10,000 rpm MAX POWER which will pretty much be where it holds self loading with a properly sharpened chain under typical cutting conditions for that size saw. The no load speed is limited at ±13,500, which your tach showed pretty darn close. So it all adds up. I'm sure someone else cleared this up already but I figured I would if no one else has.

[@abc-bca]

Since the circumference on the tester does not match the sprocket's (it's smaller) the wheel on the tester will spin faster than the sprocket. If the mismatch adds up to approx. 35% of the tester's circumference and the correspondingly increased RPM, I cannot tell from the video, but this mismatch is definitely the dominant factor in the inflated RPM reading. I doubt Stihl would give any numbers from an irreproducible scenario, like cutting 'average wood'. Thus, they'd take a reading of the saw spinning at max throttle either with or without a bar and chain on. The inertia of chain will slow down the acceleration of the saw but have very little effect on the max RPM.

[@jonnyfirebreather]

Great test! Any chance if side by side with 540ixp 😬

[@MachineryNation]

😉

[@seeker7259]

Seconded

[@jihazkomfort]

How many years will the batteries last? it's probably in the description

[@johnt6949]

like the idea but for very ocasional use ? i supose its the same argument battery not used for a long time and fuel not used for a long time

[@allthingsmotorized1885]

i hate how i've never found a fair test, should be brand new bar, a brand new chain for each with rakers adjusted to make full use of all power available. however, i still think it would be very close with battery possibly still taking the win

[@adamantonyforster172]

Hi guys can you do a hand arm vibration test (HAVS)

[@volkerball3]

Wow.... Amazing and Impressive. I don't sat that the fuel chainsaws will dead ... Mainly not in the forsts but Battery Saws will have some oppurtunities at the houseworks and non forest tree cuts...

[@repairs524]

You left out the most important thing how long does that battery last and how long does it take to fully charge you didn't mention anything about either of them in any part of the video

[@MachineryNation]

Stay tuned another video will be uploaded soon 👍🏼