Mad Men - The Sno Ball story (Don vs. Ginsberg)

[@calbassas87]

I love how Pete is the only one who immediately gets the “snowballs chance in hell” connotation. There’s something really funny about that.

[@DistantLights]

A thing like that

[@francescotamburini5790]

I love it that the only guy who gets the “snowball’s chance in hell” reference other than Don is the guy who spent an episode rambling about a chip ‘n dip.

[@oussamat612]

what does snowball chance in hell mean

[@rohancooray194]

​@@oussamat612it's a way of saying "there's no chance of that happening", as a snowball would have 'no chance' in hell, because it would melt from the heat.

[@AceJackov]

But ... they got two.

[@samfilmkid]

I love the look Peggy gives Ginsberg after he says "That's actually good!" to Don.

[@TomasRastedt]

There is so much subtext in that entire scene. Ginsberg says it, Stan, Peggy and Don keep it to themselves.

[@natalie651]

I love Don so much, but this is definitely an exploration of a character flaw. He can be so small sometimes, it's very strange. Someone with that much going for him is so insecure. Best show ever.

[@reycesarcarino4653]

People like that see insecurity as thing to protect

[@cooldude333]

He’s an egotistical prick! What did you expect?!

[@gwengoodrich]

You’re just a bully and a drunk. A football player in a suit.” - Jim Cutler, S7E7

[@jackjax7921]

Thats why youre a brokie.

[@Sciolist]

Biography of pretty much every successful businessman

[@wintermute8315]

Exactly what I wanted to see, thanks! I feel like this is the only time in the series we see Don fumbling through the early creative process like this.

[@cacox]

Also the very first episode with the Lucky Strike pitch

[@wintermute8315]

​@@cacox Eh, nah, in that one he just goes into a meeting with absolutely nothing prepared (unrealistic), and then miraculously comes up with something on the spot (also unrealistic). This scene is the only time we see him doing the grunt work.

[@Kai_soze]

It’s to show that Don was starting to become washed up because he wasn’t doing the work. He was essentially just getting paid to miss meetings, drink, smoke and leave work early. It showed how rusty he was because he wasn’t constantly thinking about new ideas.

[@natalie651]

Except for episode 1.

[@adriande1]

“I thought you were hiding from someone” - totally projecting here haha

[@bigiedieot]

Guess you could say that Ginsberg's idea had a snowball's chance in hell

[@redmouseking13]

Great writing! That elevator scene when Don hit Ginsberg with that line and the elevator dinged as if Don earned a point.

[@kylenielsen5341]

Love the Ozymandias conversation. The last lines in the elevator also hearken back to Atlas Shrugged. Ellsworth Toohey: "Mr. Roark, we're alone here. Why don't you tell me what you think of me? In any words you wish. No one will hear us." Roark: "But I don't think of you.”

[@Monkprom]

That’s scene is from the fountainhead

[@rdkap42]

I like how Don says "I'm not taking two" to no one in particular in the cab

[@paulfordiscool]

He says it to Harry who asks if he should carry the second set of illustrations

[@nedd.8479]

"Yeeessssss. Even meeeeeeeeeeee."

[@attila_the_hunk9685]

😂 so cringe

[@nathanielwestermann]

"When you think of a snowball, there's a 90% chance you think of its chance in hell." Uh, actually, no there isn't! End of presentation.

[@eternity8811]

That's kind of the point: a "truly talented" (cough) ad man can talk shit and people will swallow it. QED by reality. And so mirrored repeatedly by events in the series.

[@saeta]

You look like a gay version of Captain Hero

[@kylewolf740]

​@@saetalmao damn

[@JustSomeCanadianGuy]

The cure for the common snowball.

[@costellomhor]

Great vid and amazing to see this finally uploaded properly, cheers!

[@EatDrinkAndTravel]

Great edit of these clips. Hope you upload more.

[@aromaticflower]

Thanks for compiling this story

[@MarkVonBaldi]

Don's ideas was waaaaaay off base.

[@rockets4kids]

That's the whole point.

[@Blashmack]

2:40 "And when I say someone, I mean a cop, schoolteacher with glasses, businessman, indian chief... anybody kids hate" Example of another time...

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

Don is an almost totally backwards nutcase, you gotta remember that.

[@eternity8811]

​@@TheSmart-CasualGamerDon didn't say that, Ginsberg did.

[@eva_pilot]

that caught me off guard too lol y do kids hate indian chiefs?

[@mlipkin1]

Because they’re stoic and aloof?

[@jimmy-buffett]

@@eva_pilot because when kids played "cowboys and indians" in the 1960's the Indians were the bad guys

[@colonialstraits1069]

Michael’s idea was far superior, Don knew it and was scared. Really shows how insecure and dishonest he is. Ginsberg deserved better.

[@conradmaclean4073]

Don seems almost unrecognisable from season 1

[@aromaticflower]

I think Peggy’s pitch is quite bad, actually - light wit with no emotional connection, or fun, at most would elicit a meek chuckle

[@kulgan18]

I wonder what motivated Don to compete with Ginsberg, it was because he found the Idea so good that he had to see if he could top it?. Maybe he was just insecure but there was something about products marketed towards kids that really made him act irrational. Am thinking the Hershey Bar and this.

[@hitmanhart670]

Did people really like Don’s idea or were they humoring him? Because it sounded pretty bad when he was pitching it

[@jwal1992]

That’s the metaphor; Don’s dealing with his demons and it’s distracting him. But he’s in a position of power, so he can do devilish things like leave a much better presentation in a cab and still get the sale.

[@ch33mmers]

You can see that Ginsberg's idea had the edge but both of them were pretty good, at least enough to make the sale. Don had been off his game for some time, while Ginsberg was doing the work. In the end only creative and 'those that get it' saw both and compared the quality. Don even tells Peggy that no one really understands the way that he believes the world should be perceived very much any more. Power trumps creativity in the long term in this show because it's easier. At this point Don goes the easier route because at this moment he isn't really being true to himself or his morals.

[@StarOnTheWater]

Wasn't it the one with the idea he accidentally stole from seeing it somewhere?