The Unreleased Secrets of Vanilla WoW Episode #6

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[@AlanG58]

@madseasonshow how can we get a hold of this client to poke around for ourselves?

[@Followtheham]

i LOVE these videos! So interesting to see what classic could have been and what HOPEFULLY classic+ will be, or could be? hmmm :))

[@snowcraft-d3d]

At 2:10, this is not an NPC. This is a scale model that is used to ensure that areas are kept in scale for player characters. There is one for each race. NPCs are not capable of being stuck in an A-pose like that, as they will always default to the idle animation if not set to use any other.

[@madseasonshow]

Interesting, thanks for the info

[@mastrbutcher]

Mrs….Howl

[@tehjamerz]

There is one outside deepholm, top left corner

[@overdev1993]

yes thats also waht I heard. its pretty much just a static object like any buildung.

[@greensofa5643]

I'm gonna guess that those naked human models were placed down for scale. It's a simple trick to avoid spending hours making an area and realizing afterwards that you accidentally made it massive or tiny

[@TTMS-Khaz-kun]

Might also be placeholders for where NPCs/NPC areas would be? Quest givers, targets, something else

[@Golemoid]

@@TTMS-Khaz-kun I doubt it, they’re either in the middle of the road or an empty flat space.

[@jmcke802]

Turtle Wow has done a fantastic job at implementing the Lost Islands into real zones.

[@twooey8232]

Wanted to say that. I really enjoyed them.

[@Clockwork_Enby]

^ True. And Tel’abim as well

[@legacy9171]

Turtle WoW is the best incarnation of classic wow. It will be a really sad day when blizzard finally shuts them down

[@timelordricknmorty8179]

@@legacy9171 they can't. the servers are in russia. if they could take turtle down they would have done so already

[@timelordricknmorty8179]

the custom zones in twow are neat but i kept experiencing this bug on the islands where i couldnt loot mobs. if you can get around it though they are really good at filling in the 50-60 bracket. i did almost die on HC to a caster on lapidis though lol

[@tehjamerz]

RIP HayvenGames... he popped into my head with this video

[@EJ_Red]

I'm still upset Blizzard has yet to implement a tribute to him. Considering the changes in the company the past few years, I'm doubting they will even think about it.

[@janchovanec8624]

@@EJ_Red I don't think there is any employees left at Blizzard who do their job with passion.

[@varenoftatooine2393]

I think there's more passion now than there has been for several years​@@janchovanec8624

[@ordelian7795]

@@janchovanec8624 Not since Samwise Didier left. He was the last one.

[@EJ_Red]

@@janchovanec8624 Really the only thing keeping them together is that Metzen came back, but even he is taking on a more hands off approach with PR compared to how he was previously

[@TheMrbrutalbutters]

Pretty sure wow devs have said that the larger island was supposed to be a raid where the final boss was a mad scientist that did experiments on the island.

[@amarjamakovic1297]

I loved those islands in TWoW and how they implemented them

[@dannyp9210]

Be wary of being disconnected there if you're HC! I think the place is slightly unstable so the game might throw you out, even though the server is running. I'm glad I tried re-logging quickly...

[@mcfarvo]

3:42 "oooh, Thurston!"

[@dwahnaslowdown8887]

Played some beta in original Everquest - races had varying degrees of enhanced night vision (Human had none). One of the first things that amazed me was seeing a player equip a light source, then run up a distant hillside. Long after I was unable to see the player, I could make out the glow of his "wisp." Loved it. It takes a lot more than that to amaze now...

[@samwise9152]

I was not prepared for a non-monotone transition to an ad break

[@Adym18]

bro same, caught me off guard

[@05Forenza]

I had to rewatch it a couple times to verify what I heard lol

[@JokJok420]

The timing of Wilderness starting *chefs kiss*

[@championlotus]

Never get tired of the soothing intro theme

[@lodougherty]

I wish Vanilla hit the same. I don't know if I miss vanilla, or I just miss that era of my life. It's such a strange feeling, that never goes away.

[@Lionimia]

Probably a mixture of both. It's strange to think about how it was nearly 20 years ago, but nothing has really come close to the experience of leveling through the old zones again. It's such a somber feeling, occasionally hitching a portal back to SW, flying out to Elwynn before parking my main in Goldshire, logging out in the inn. The music, the atmosphere, the ambience. It'll never be the same again.

[@Rustie_za]

I agree and understand this feeling. I want that experience to be back so hard but it's like pandoras box was opened and there is no way to get it back.

[@spookyclaws5350]

@@Lionimia As a new player I can confirm it's your experience and you're more nostalgic about that part of your life, instead of the game itself. I enjoy it a LOT, but even so I find myself being more nostalgic and "affectionate" towards my chilhood game (Metin2) which was objectively SO much worse. The only thing you can do is move on and find another game, rinse and repeat. Metin2 isn't the same anymore, classic servers for it don't hit the same either. You can't bring that feeling back, because you have ALL this game knowledge you can't just forget, so automatically your experience is different. WoW is great, but most of you see it through nostalgia rose tinted goggles, just like I do for Metin2. There's games just as nice out there, I have fond memories of different mmos, like BDO or FF14 and even New World. For me classic wow was a blast (actually, Cataclysm is my favourite so far). Because I didn't know shit about the game, exploring was fun, westfall, duskwood, darkshore were downright amazing for me. I went around talking to people, asking for help (because it's nicer than googling it yourself). I honestly think I felt similar to how you guys felt when you started this game, entertained but confused, making friends left and right so you can learn the game better, taking your time with things, enjoying the little stories. It won't ever hit the same, because you already know all this. So if you're playing just to get that feeling back, then that's a waste of time.

[@EJ_Red]

For me it's the more simple yet challenging aspects of gameplay for Vanilla. When Classic came out in 2018 I was having more fun than in Retail. I was having a blast with Classic until Cata Classic came out, it is still fun but a major change like that made it more like Retail so it lost a large chunk of its magic.

[@ozlukas]

The zones of those two islands made it to vanilla. It was possible to swim/exploit across the ocean in STV to get to where the islands were. The Islands were removed but you could zone into their zones.

[@Atakan198X]

Yeaars run by, but the D2 Soundtrack is ETERNAL

[@Biouke]

Matt Uelmen is just that good :)

[@xaphiste]

Really cool to see. The A-pose humans are usually used during development by level designers to get a sense of scale while sculping the world geometry and placing/scaling doodads (the cart, the ruins, bridges/stairs etc.).

[@Sistik123]

I like how every area at least had an idea to give purpose instead of just random land mass.

[@Grimlak1990]

Pretty sure cube crawling at 2003 Blizzard would get you promoted, not fired XD

[@adamgroszkiewicz814]

Your WoW video's always make me think of years gone by, hanging friends who aren't around anymore, in a world that was exciting and new.

[@paendotv]

I love that you use the Diablo 2 music sometimes... It confuses me and I have to tab out to make sure I didn't launch it on accident LOL great soundtrack

[@silvek99]

I would guess the Island of Doctor Lapidis questline was condensed and re-used for Kurzen's STV Alliance questline.

[@Marol2137]

The best music ever at 6 minutes

[@SvendleBerries]

Its been a long time since I played it, but I immediately though, "...that sounds like Diablo 2 music" lol

[@Marol2137]

@@SvendleBerries it is, it's Wilderness I belive

[@SvendleBerries]

@@Marol2137 It is. After I left my comment I noticed that all songs in the video are linked in the description. Made things easy from there :D

[@godlyobject6509]

@@SvendleBerries Just noticed your profile pic, Svendle. I too enjoy coffin fodder.

[@ckais1638]

Sitting down to eat and realizing another mad season video dropped 27 minutes ago has been the best part of this day so far

[@a-me5cf]

16:20 What do you mean ? We have bodytype A and bodytype B nowadays !

[@EJ_Red]

It's a shame those islands weren't finished and made available in the live version of the game, they would have served as excellent hubs for endgame content. I was actually surprised they weren't considered to be brought back during BFA since that served as the effectively served as the "South Seas expansion" in some ways. Especially more odd considering Island Expeditions was a thing, since they also used that to bring back Crestfall.

[@DesignerDave]

Everyone playing Turtle WoW... "Hey, I know this one!"

[@TeraGotBuns]

I don't think I'll ever grow tired of this content. Been watching since the beginning and still loving it :)

[@jpfischer6003]

Bubblegum Thrall made me lol

[@obbscur2]

I can see madseasonshow is training his humor skill pretty well, almost 300 i'd say

[@Hecatate]

There is a dock in Westfall......the boat could have landed there......

[@Victor-iz5dw]

the zeppelins being on the big tower in org makes so much more sense, I always thought it was so weird to have to go outside the city for them.

[@deathminder9206]

They should release an unrelased Classic server with the spells they decided to prune and adding content to places that are currently empty just for fun.

[@Kevkoss]

The Island of Doctor Lapidis seems like obvious reference to "The Island of Doctor Moreau", probably with some voodoo stuff mixed in due to trolls (ruins) and possible references to "Voodoo Island" and San Monique island from "Live and Let Die" (and probably few more).

[@Chaosbred]

SoD Players: "Thats what i wanted!" Twow Players: "Oh i love those zone's!"

[@bettercallspotti]

These islands look more Like an oger raid than an actual area

[@indeimaus]

nice gnome warrior brother

[@Wepospalient]

In the original vanilla version of the game (pretty sure this applies to classic too but havnt tested it myself) when they deleted the landmasses for Gilijim's Isle and the Island of Dr Lapidis, they forgot to delete the zone markers, so if you actually swam far enough off the coast of stranglethorn and got out to where these islands used to be, you'd be marked as being in Gilijim's Isle, or the Island of Dr Lapidis, complete with the zone change and people being able to /who you and see you were on the island.

[@___IG]

This is what we mean when we say classic+, not warlock tanks

[@colecote1432]

Blizz is making new content all the time. Weird that people are acting like there is nothing new.

[@Golemoid]

Yeah obviously warriors should be the only class allowed to tank, or deal decent dps. That’s what made vanilla so fun!

[@colecote1432]

@@Golemoid nobody’s making anyone play classic. 😅

[@cleanjimmy]

​@@colecote1432that new content is brainrot retail garbage

[@colecote1432]

@@cleanjimmy 😅😅 enjoy the same game you played twenty years ago or whatever they’re reskinning it as.

[@PureKino]

New Madseason let's go!

[@alexanderpondarius8586]

the cube crawling made me weak lmfao

[@Owl_Knight98]

Second Island is called Balor. Lore says, it was used by the orcs in the third war as a port

[@ThatGuyBill1985]

I had no idea about those islands. Lots of cool local lore they could make up

[@Moonstrider]

Always juicy good news and more watching MadS!

[@kelseylantz1989]

Absolutely love you added diablo 2 music

[@txnafish]

i love your videos so much that, even if i know everything in them at times, they are still always so enjoyable to listen to

[@Magna_Parva]

3:41 is BLURSED 😂

[@MegaChickenfish]

RIP Torc the Orc. I love the rhyming name, though being called "the orc" in Orgrimmar didn't make much sense.

[@spookyclaws5350]

Maybe it's like "the Man" like, THE man, the legend, the myth, stuff like that? So Torc is THE orc. That's how i see it at least

[@compton_187]

The adventures of GnomeSeason

[@aivovna]

I feel like at the back of my mind I'm always yearning for vanilla, I just need an excuse to log in again, like a fresh server or something. Great episode by the way! Love these.

[@HappyCucco.]

After like doing everything in WoW i ever wanted and beyond with mods and even some weird pretty corky servers i thought i would never get that itch again. Yet.. here we are again watching the trusty WoW content companion Madseason… and i love it! Thanks guy ^^

[@simplementelicha2127]

I guess we got melee priests in MoP with the introduction of monks.

[@thefinalskarm1754]

Good for Thrall I'm glad he got his big love rocket mount.

[@Eventwow]

I never knew about those islands 1:09. I do miss the island west of Feralas and tanaris.

[@TheMapleDreamer]

God i love this series

[@phanesrekk8845]

god i wish i were a blizzard employee in 2003 staying up until 3am working on areas thatll never be used in the game and being powered entirely by breast milk

[@EskimoBobTLF]

back in the day of "you really gotta dig deep" this woulda been amazing ... might have finally rolled an alli toon

[@zacharyrenderer6940]

This is such an awesome series. Please keep it up. @madseasonshow have you ever talk about the Alcatraz island on off the coast of dustwallow marsh with the mad gnome scientist?

[@88Plamen]

The fact that the males all looked quite strong (maybe except gnomes) is why my first character was female. When WoW came out I was really into fantasy with games like Baldur's Gate, Heroes of Might and Magic 3, Diablo 2. I hadn't really played but I knew some stuff about Dungeons and Dragons especially from the games based on it. So I always imagined more magic based classes to look... well not so strong. I wanted my first character to be a night elf mage... then I learned that night elves can't be mages. So I went with human hunter... turns out humans can't be hunters either. In the end I made a human priest but since the male body type wasn't how I imagined a magic user to look like I went with female. And now I always play female if I have a choice. That first WoW character started a tradition for me.

[@hasnopants]

Mad is having an epic year. What a run of videos.

[@Eddy9412]

mad, it feels like youre having a lot more fun with these videos; i love that for you

[@ugoboom]

check out alpha gnomregan as well. insanely spooky

[@kimfahlberg4052]

Oh jeez, i seriously had forgotten about the breast milk. Thanks for that reference, mad my day :D

[@GraniitY]

The duel arena in org is sick

[@godlyobject6509]

It's really sick! I wish that model existed in Vanilla-Wotlk; if it did, and you could duel, or it was like the STV arena, it would've been used CONSTANTLY.

[@TaranKuba]

u can play in most of these custom areas mentioned in these vidoes, on Turtle WoW

[@5chr4pn3ll]

The Colosseum in Orgrimmar was in the game. All the way until Cata I believe.

[@Celadonis-the-Lore-Seeker]

Right in time for dinner. Thanks MadSeasonShow !

[@Dage123]

I think the two lost islands at the beginning of the video are starting zones.

[@Rayukamay-sama]

Zug zug... Barney, Uber , madseason and all the gang should do a wow movie. Maybe like Uber getting in trouble and Barney defying horde to save his as and the gane comes up to sage them type of shit .

[@720zone]

My favorite series. Love these.

[@ravenstalons154]

All this talk about forks... here's a fork... there's a fork... everywhere is a fork fork. No one gives a fork! Where is the SPOON? I'll even settle for a spork.😢

[@Makujah_]

Fun fact: both islands are restored and finished on turtle wow!

[@Darkulla]

Was just going to watch for a few minutes but ended up Staying awhile and listen.

[@JakobusMaximus]

Some of those isles feel like cold plains for some reason...

[@geridos3541]

please never break character ever again (vocally)

[@ToTheGAMES]

Why so negative?

[@geridos3541]

@@ToTheGAMES it’s not negative, it’s honest constructive feedback ❤️

[@ToTheGAMES]

@@geridos3541 "Don't do something" in itself is not constructive feedback. A personal opinion is also not feedback. Because _you_ don't like something, it doesn't mean someone else doesn't either. That is constructive.

[@geridos3541]

@@ToTheGAMES thanks for the lesson bruh

[@ToTheGAMES]

@@geridos3541 No worries :)

[@mcfarvo]

ChadSeason is tickling my curiosity

[@korey8134]

Hell yeah Show, keep em coming like this

[@Followtheham]

I love these videos! and the music also, diablo music is so mysterious, soothing and gives me the chills all at the same time..

[@Verteidigen]

Thank you MadSeason!

[@vegasbees]

Please make a vanilla wow walkthrough of the warlock mount. I actually did it during vanilla 🎉👍

[@93theproducer47]

MadSeasons the best. Appreciate yet another fantastic video man 🔥🔥🔥

[@stefankecina]

Damn caught your video in the first hour, lucky!

[@Shiyaku93]

This is why Mads is my goat

[@DigbitYT]

Finally he's back

[@SilvershotStudios]

Also known as 'TurtleWow extra content'

[@johnsark2632]

All of these places are on turtle wow they did a great job with them

[@solipsismworld]

I enjoy these videos a lot but I wish someone could explain the history behind these spaces. That is, clearly a lot of work was done on them. What was supposed to be there? Why were they abandoned? More generally, if they got this far, why didn't they pick them up later and finish them, either in line with their original purpose or for something new?

[@FredShope]

Considering where they are, I'd guess Troll space, which wasn't mentioned in the video. They're not too far from the Zandalar island, the tribe which claims to be the most advanced and progenitors of all the trolls. Yet they're stuck on a tiny island with a handful of NPCs that only give you quests, when other trolls in ZF, ZG, the Hinterlands, all have massive zones or instances dedicated to them. I have no insider info to support this, just a hunch.

[@TarisRedwing]

Cloth Melee class 😂 Leather melee is already abysmal as a Rogue I cant even imagine cloth without 50 shields and mitigation.

[@Golemoid]

With inner fire armor buff, power word shield and healing they would be just fine

[@Bla_Razor]

Diablo music is so amazing

[@DaveDavis-f9w]

Feels good to watch one of these types of videos and actually see something you've never seen before.

[@Nooneslama]

Diablo music never disappoints

[@nowayg5666]

Its nice that they make this isles playable in TurtleWoW

[@codywatson9627]

ADD-season show Am I right??? I'm actually joking I could careless I've been loving gen 2 mad season KEEP IT GOING MY DUDE!

[@kozmo7]

Can I get a hell yeah?

[@vaylox09]

Madseason keeps putting out amazing content his Channel made me want to play classic so much.

[@Syllablewhar]

MADSEASON OMG YAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[@Tyelkormoko]

Great series! Are there any musical differences between these alpha builds and later versions?

[@YakumoShinito]

right as i finished dinner. nice

[@TheBeastRenews]

My memory is foggy from not playing in a long while, but isn't that the same layout from the troll ruins on the northwest STV?

[@regulariousweedimaximus9495]

It's wild non of this was in season of discovery lmao

[@lct23]

Hey madseason, Just wondering if you played any phase 4 of sod and what you thought and if you plan on doing phase 5 at all. Love the video keep up the good work brother