The Unreleased Secrets of Vanilla WoW Episode #5

[@madseasonshow]

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[@EnderGoku9001]

oh na madseason got here before everyone else

[@charlestonjew7587]

Although I was around for Vanilla, there's still a lot of little nooks and secrets I wasn't aware of I'd love to see brought to light. The whole dev process and lore is just fascinating.

[@JustFamilyPlaytime]

Longer the better!

[@dabillya6845]

These videos are too short :(

[@ValryshaClips]

Would prefer to see the smaller stuff, feels like everyone and their mother has done Old Ironforge, but I didn't know about the Yeti Cave in Hillsbrad

[@madseasonshow]

I could either do that, or maybe just do a one-off video of all of the smaller stuff, whatever y'all want :D

[@AlaskyHuskyG]

​@@madseasonshow would be nice with an big video :)

[@cromandum217]

we need 1000 more youtube videos talking about old ironforge

[@AlaskyHuskyG]

@@cromandum217 oh god no

[@ulquiorracifer3726]

@@madseasonshow Whatever gives me more madseason loredump watchtime as far as I'm concerned

[@RobotShield]

Waiting for the boats and then sailing across the ocean was actually something I really loved when I was a bright eyed bushy tail Newby. It really made the world feel big and lived in. Boats and actually flying via gryphon were amazing

[@adamgroszkiewicz814]

The fact that you are still, after all these years, able to find content to create for Classic WoW....its a testament to how special that old, OG, original, vanilla game really was.

[@Forgetmynamehaha]

I miss it so much.

[@UltimortalMoth]

I've long lamented that it wasn't meant to be my game for however many reasons, it sounded like lively times. Luckily Mad's channel gives a great insight into those bygone days.

[@kendog0013]

devs motivated by passion instead of money will give those results; sadly, those times are far gone for AAA quality games.

[@user85937]

@@kendog0013 Woke devs motivated by money/politics on one side, a toxic player community on the other side.

[@raiden72]

​​@@kendog0013 IMHO the quality of games took a serious dip after pics in wow houses were replaced with "fruitbowls" and the pandemic happened.

[@Sikudhani4]

"I happen to prefer the old model, actually, but that might also be because I think that everything that is old is superior to everything that is new because I am... a... depressed, Classic World of Warcraft player..." Most relatable and insightful line thus far in the series. A+

[@Sikudhani4]

... Sorry, that was rude. I was there on launch day, and I've actually really been enjoying this series. I vote to keep up with all sorts of little details because, as they say, life... life is all about them... Or... the devil is there? The devil is in them and that's what life is all about, yes; keep up with the little details.

[@Manicca]

Im a depressed retail WoW player. We gotta keep together. Hugs

[@strikestorm]

My vote is to ALL content, I love that 20 years later I'm still learning about the game. I want to know everything.

[@EdyGlockenspiel]

12:06 *EVERYTHING*

[@grahamwilliamson5306]

Im a simple man, i see mad season discussing lore/niche topics and i click video the video. This is the only wow channel i still watch 😂

[@drumline17]

For real, I'm at the point I haven't logged in in 2 years but still watch every one of these videos

[@rylandvance5304]

12:05 dude heck yes. Show the little changes. I personally absolutely love seeing how games like WoW change and evolve over time. It is super interesting.

[@anthonys8400]

Do a whole zone at a time, instead of big/small content. Then you can hit all the big and small stuff 1-3 zones at a time

[@actiu]

I was one of the very lucky few to get into the F&F closed beta of WoW. I say that, because I remember vividly, being on my dwarf warrior, in Stonetalon Mountains, when this undead mage came walking up to me, asking me if I knew where the wyverns were located. I thought it was such a cool idea that the undead could speak common. I remember when Alliance/Horde wanted to do trades, that they would have to have undead players there to translate for the different factions.

[@musclestruts5032]

The "griefing" argument also felt so silly, since people figured out pretty early how to spam Y O U L O S E to each other. It also felt very immersion breaking to have lore characters be able to talk to each other in Common, yet we couldn't. Also Blood Elves and Undead somehow forgot how to speak it? Just felt very arbitrary.

[@hopri00]

Those Micro-Dungeons that you mentioned during the Scholomance part reminds me heavily of Everquest p99. Different zones being a complete dungeon with bosses and more.

[@madseasonshow]

Most likely inspired from EQ if I had to guess

[@KishiKaiseiten]

MadSeason never fails to brighten up my morning coffee.

[@Aurentheal]

And *my* wood.

[@madseasonshow]

haha thanks for watching Kishi!

[@JamesSeda]

Love the smaller stuff as well. It’s special to me. Please feel free to add more and talk about it. 😊. Thanks for the video.

[@exi2286]

I randomly decided to look for hidden artifact weapon appearances earlier today (which in this case required completing the withered training in suramar). A quick google search to find an efficient path through, and imagine my surprise- who would I see in a 7 year old video but our mad lad mad season. Still great advice. Appreciate your content and all that you do. Glad you’re still around. Thanks king.

[@gonsshorts]

Ive been following you for awhile. Even before your break. As with prob most of your audience. You are my fav creator. Keep doing more with what you love. Cuz thats what resonates with us

[@kavky]

Fun fact, Scholomance in Romanian folk tales is a school of magic run by the Devil, near Sibiu in Transylvania. But it teaches weather control, not necromancy.

[@Ar1AnX1x]

I used to feel a lot of nostalgia from Madseason's videos because it had the vanilla vibe while talking about Vanilla, now I'm so old that I get nostalgia for the channel alone from the intro music

[@TheGregoryodd]

I like the examination of the smaller details etc ; find it more interesting to think about how these small revisions added up to so much that people still love to this day

[@Sithedd]

We absolutely want the small things in future videos. I would say that even though they may have been covered, this series you do is a nice cohesive thing someone could watch through to get all these little details so I say keep doing the small stuff!!!

[@Mysticalmetal]

This series has me hooked. Learning about all these forgotten features of Vanilla really goes to show how far the game has come since the Alpha. I for one am enjoying hearing about all the minor changes that were made as well as the big stuff, so please keep that up Madseason!

[@Nishinga.]

Dude I’m LOVING this series I’m all about the smaller stuff. It adds so much more to the charm and uniqueness of the old game. I’ve been playing since 2007 and I love learning about the niche intricacies from back in the day Miss seeing you on twitch man, hope everything has been going well for you

[@KlockoArt]

Even if not a full series of it, a video or two of all the smaller stuff could be really cool. Big changes like old ironforge are very well known, but smaller stuff like that yeti cave I've never heard from anyone before, so seeing more things like that would be really interesting.

[@93theproducer47]

MadSeason, you’re like a nostalgia shaman. Taking us back in time and making us feel good. I love your videos bro. They are so well done. We appreciate all the effort and time you put into them.

[@madseasonshow]

It's my pleasure dude, thanks so much for the support! Got lots more of this series coming up, so I'm glad you're liking it so far :D

[@93theproducer47]

@@madseasonshow can’t wait to watch them man. I’ll see you in the next one!

[@borga6566]

I'd love to see smaller stuff as well! I think its suuper important to archive this kind of information, as it gives us all an insight to the development process

[@adamwenzell7115]

Will never get sick of the monotone legend, thanks for all you do!

[@AidanMizzer]

I personally love all the details you put in, especially the minor ones. It's interesting to learn it all and would definitely like to keep seeing even the most smallest of changes still be pointed out :). Always some new information (for me at least) in your videos, thanks!

[@SkySharkX2]

I would love to see the smaller details covered too not many if any cover things like the yeti cave, great series so far as well!

[@kevinfisher4768]

I love the idea of getting minor and major changes. All knowledge is good knowledge. Great video as always brother

[@vagrantknights]

Just wild that 20 years later we're still talking about secrets and unreleased content in vanilla WoW. Testament to the passion and scope that the original devs had. They truly wanted to create a massive and memorable world.

[@user-hn9fr7mn3x]

Q: Do you want large or small stuff? A: Yes.

[@salviserious7502]

mad always amazing ..... he never disapoints .. you never get bored of his content , everything its very interest , its this special voice of this beloved game that we need for the backround of it, keep upp the legendary work !!!

[@Margonite]

I much enjoy these episodes. Especially considering the content shows alpha and pre-release stuff which is often unknown. I remember one of the early announcements back in 2004 discussing Warlocks ability to wear Platemail, which was scrapped after internal testing as they would become essentially what DKs are today: hard to kill!

[@kieranking3045]

I think you're doing a great job with this series man, glad to hear you have more in the tank. Looking forward to more!

[@Digitaldreamer7]

Listening to this while I level in retail! Been subbed since launch day!

[@peckinpazero4215]

Keep doing the little stuff! I didn't know any of these and I love the little secrets in games and stuff. Glad you're back man.

[@RobbieRobski]

It's cool to go down memory lane. I was in closed testing when the level cap was 10-15. Good times

[@leviselbach6010]

Madseason how are you .. are you well? Missing your vids man..😢❤

[@Odinsfall]

I appreciate the small things included, so definitely please continue!

[@empire0]

I like the smaller details. I've played since early vanilla and it's always interesting to learn things I didn't know about. We actually had a convo in AQ last night about shackling undead players and how you could at one point

[@Kreceir]

I love seeing the smaller stuff or small details get more attention.

[@TheBizzarosafer]

Another banger vid. I'm really digging this series and I'm looking forward to more. Thank you MadSeason!

[@jarmetallic2993]

yes mini and complex. i like both.

[@Tedsky747]

Def keep doing the small stuff! Feels like you're the only one covering these small changes

[@ChronosZero86]

Another awesome Madseason episode! Caught off guard by the Street Fighter 4 training stage music, but awesome music choices as always!

[@Ekstrem28]

Really enjoying this series! I felt the "depressed classic wow player" in my old brittle bones.

[@silverdragon688]

I really like the spotlight on smaller changes, it’s fun to see how the game changed as a whole, instead of just learning about the big changes that get covered in other vids.

[@theycallmeLEV]

Donkey kong music, such a treat

[@dospasma]

Your videos are so cozy and great. Honestly best content to chill.

[@daiblaze1396]

Great choice of music for the video. Thanks for sharing them too. It's been a while I haven't checked OCremix. Keep this journey coming. Nice content!

[@ReganousTheGrey]

Hi Madseason, great video sir. Would definitely like if you included minor things in your videos! Both, both is good.

[@t3chs4vy]

Love all the details big or small. Keep up the great work Mad!

[@Wheeljack678]

Smaller AND bigger changes gets my vote. It's all interesting to me. I really enjoy watching these.

[@Peppuli.]

Now this is a fresh treat. Always great to see your content 💪 Love how your channel and content has developed!

[@EJ_Red]

Me and a friend actually talked about the topic of player housing during Legion, and due to the impact garrisons had during WoD we both agreed it would be a bad idea. We said that, due to the atmosphere Order Halls had, guild housing should be the way to go for WoW. We talked how guild rewards, that started back in Cata but seemingly ended in MoP, was never touched upon again so felt that guild housing was a great way to bring those back while also keeping the idea of having players our own base of operations.

[@snaffu1]

Throw in some of the smaller stuff around the bigger things! I love seeing all the little differences and changes they made along the way in development.

[@ItsBenbetter]

1:41 what a segue!

[@Thoinks_]

***Random Video Idea Suggestion*** @MadSeasonShow, whenever I watch your videos, around half way or so I always have the urge to check the comment section to see some of the amazing stories that some of WoW's many player have to share. I don't know if it would be hard to edit or put together but what if you interviewed or had people send you and tell you about some of their classic WoW adventures and how your videos have literal scenic footage of where friendships were made and legends were created. I read stories of people who just started with their friend in Elwyn to people who talked about their insane guild camping world bosses over night battling against the opposing faction. It may just be me being a nerd but I would read a whole book of peoples adventures in this game if I could. There are so many items, quests, zones, NPC's who effected everyone who played this game in different way. Anyways just tossing me 2 cents in wherever it's might be useful, I've been watching your videos since 2019 and not a single time have I not been taken back to a comfortable home, thank you for that Mad. Keep creating and Keep enjoying brother. Thank you for always keeping us entertained.

[@IceCaller01]

This was such a great video! Would love to see more of them! Thank you!! ☺️☺️

[@Serphentin]

Andorhal got changed in like 1.4 actually, didn't it? At launch, the buildings were intact, but it got changed early in vanilla because the area was so dense with monsters in second floors and inside buildings that it was a laggy mess. Also, there was no "1.0" version. The game launched as 1.1!

[@wisniamw]

oh god, that ship layout at 13:20 looks awesome

[@jamescapobianco907]

I like you doing the minor stuff just as much as the major stuff. I’m curious about it all! Thanks Madseason!

[@Tammo1986]

Tbh i love seeing it all. Videos about all zones and how they changed might be dope aswell

[@sleeplessnightsofficial6334]

I’ve never even played WoW but watched all of Madseasons videos, I love them! Really bummed that I missed WoW back in the day but also kinda glad, I was bad enough pouring hours and grinding Destiny 1 getting every exotic etc so with something on WoWs scale it would have absolutely consumed me

[@Archaia24]

Love the minutia! More is better - it also brings back a lot of memories I'd forgotten.

[@VonoMoon]

I want to see a Madseasonshow's verison of what Classic+ could be. What elements from past future and present. What lore or questlines completed. Zones and raids used. Talent and itemization.

[@Proffxwow]

Class changes such as mage invis was really cool. Small stuff depends on if it’s cool!

[@StrikerZero6]

Gonna be honest, the Bramble Forest theme works very nicely, quite relaxing while questing in WoW classic

[@Acorns30]

I do enjoy the minor things as well. Most of the large stuff has been over-done. Thanks - I enjoy your content & Voice!

[@ManlyMonster]

I indeed enjoy you covering the smaller details good sir.

[@PewPewUSmash]

I want to see smaller stuff personally! I think the minute changes and little details have me wondering about what Blizzard of old was thinking when planning out the game in its initial stages. Happy to hear this series is going to be long running too ❤

[@travispayne9589]

Nearing a 1/2 a million subscribers....may God bless you sir, you deserve it!

[@Failerist]

Definitely interested to the smaller stuff as well because I ll probably never heard them !

[@TheZackofSpades]

Good to have my favorite MONOTONE Tuber cranking out content. I’m a fan of smaller stuff in these vids, it has more of a nostalgia trip feel for me

[@fish_tfe]

Seeing the massive damn was pretty cool. Keep up with the minor differences for sure! And love the SWG references, the original skill point system got me thinking the same.

[@RichardJamesStayAtHomeDad]

Thank you for making these. They always make me happy

[@Sartheris]

Would definitely want to see smaller stuff too, we've already seen and heard about the major stuff dozens of times already

[@karlp2277]

The boats weren't in quite at release. I remember having to talk to the NPCs to travel across continents but they were patched in not that long after release.

[@jediknight2079]

I would love to see it all, so make as many episodes as possible please!

[@KasperG87]

Everything. It is nostalgia and good chill videos

[@Leland42069]

I bought a collectors edition way back during original beta. I never played past Shadow Fang keep due to being addicted to Final Fantasy XI at the time. That being said, I love watching and chilling to your videos since the beginning. Thank you, have a good one. Peace

[@shadowman98]

Would totally prefer to see the smaller stuff that nobody has covered! Love these videos!!!

[@CCCaps]

Keep up the good work very interesting to see. Show EVERYTHING!

[@kobejaworski1417]

A mix of 1 big secret than a few little secrets that lead us over to that side of the world would be a fun journey😊

[@uverpro3598]

I worked for Blizzard back in the 90s and was a test rat for the original beta of WoW. It was so cool that the Undead could communicate with humans. You’d have groups of undeads being tradesmen and translators between factions.

[@jonathonphillips4056]

In games, I feel the small touches or changes are sometimes the most important ones. Honestly I love this whole series and I am sure that it's a lot of work but it is wonderful!

[@WakoDoodle]

One thing to note from my vanilla wow days. I played it pretty much near launch back when it was the only game and was strictly horde. I remember getting to Undercity (I was around lvl 10 as an undead mage and just started) and I remember seeing a player who asked if I wanted to see something cool and casted Shackle Undead on me (I think it was an undead priest) anyway in that moment for a brief time, I lost entire control of my character and it was moving around as if I was just spectating it. He gave it back and asked me "pretty cool right?" to which I said "yeah" in a panic and left. I returned a day later and the guy was doing it to someone else, so I went the long way around. It was not only removed but removed fairly early on in vanilla wow (probably without a few weeks) as I remember the guy whining in chat about being unable to do it again. Believe me when I tell you, I'm glad it's gone. It was scary to see your character you worked on in the hands of someone else, like they could just cause you to jump to your death and even if it was timed; as a new player it was scary. I have never forgotten that moment since. On another note: I like the original ogre models. They looked more like the warcraft 2 designs which I always liked more than the current wow and warcraft 1. The fat belly but muscular arms and legs made them seem unique; as if they gave off this arabian vibe to them like a genie.

[@HellSong212]

PLEASE do the little stuff too. I love small facts, especially in good games

[@rogp2270]

Love this series Mad... keep it up.

[@Aztiren]

Do the little stuff too. Everyone always talks about the big stuff so when you show us things like the ogre change or the difference in smaller areas, it’s new to a lot of people

[@sauwensvk7589]

Definitely keep adding the small stuff.. it's just as interesting!

[@BeercanJeremy]

i say a mix of both i like the longer segments with the little details sprinkled in

[@Chris-yu3co]

I'll watch all the things man, just fun to explore it together. Thanks for the vid :)

[@ben-taobeneton3945]

I think more mini-stuff would be appreciated since most of the big stuff has been already covered by other CC's but if there's something that WASN't covered, I'm still interested. Either way, I'll take what I can get. These pre-alpha series are amazing! 🙂

[@matt_r.2510]

Great video. I really dig the music as always.

[@dornaliousdecambra6507]

I like the small stuff, at lease, it's easier for me to imagine why they made the change. Plus it gets covered less frequently by other content creators.

[@RenderMan1337]

The smaller stuff gives you more indepth look at the design philosophy. It's nice.

[@ocix]

Give us EVERYTHING love to see your content man :)

[@ginebravrvr]

i admire the self awareness about being sad and not liking new things , still good videos , i remember old madseason awkward videos.

[@molten_software]

the little things are pretty interesting actually, thank you!