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[@shamsheerg7519]

Prof. Lowry for Prez... I am an Indian Canadian living in Mexico. My endorsement may not count for much, but I don't care.

[@JanetKasprzak]

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[@BeanMacdui]

@@shamsheerg7519I am sure it is appreciated by Glenn! Everybody’s voice counts. 😊

[@shamsheerg7519]

@@BeanMacdui Not mine Bruv.

[@BeanMacdui]

@@shamsheerg7519Wish you would immigrate to the USA, we need more people like you. Well balanced and grounded. Of course, with the way things are here, you may not want to move to the US!

[@nessablake2533]

Glenn, you have the patience of a saint.

[@MrMixolydian7]

Legal immigrant here. Nothing wrong with America First and being against tax dollars used in foreign wars.

[@willis7404]

Who is against using tax dollars in foreign wars? MAGA?

[@JamesClark-lw6sw]

​@@willis7404STOP LYING, "COMRADE".

[@chucklindenberg1093]

@@willis7404 Oh look an uninformed vote blue no matter who voter.

[@YouTubeMusicPortal]

I like your handle. I always remembered the modes using the acronym, I Don't Play Loud Music At Lunch. What instrument do you play? I'm gonna guess guitar.

[@MrMixolydian7]

@@KZbinMusicPortal thank you! I’m a huge fan of mnemonic devices so thanks for sharing this one re: modes. Never heard it before. Primary instrument is piano, but I also play guitar and bass. ☺️

[@StealBackYourHeart]

John, You need to know, that the level of disrespect/cancelation I have endured by progressives and family would have ended the life of others who might have had less internal resources. I can't even imagine repairs 3 years later. I am and have been a quiet and loving person who had an opinion. What ever the left claims seems to be what they themselves do.

[@geekylove3603]

Are you voting for Trump? If so why?

[@tammymills5461]

I’m voting Trump! Because I want to see John succeed and John without prejudice, and live his life in the grace of God, and we live in a Republic. God Bless you both. John if Trump wins you will survive. Btw , DEI against European whites is Evil, just like slavery was. Let’s be careful though because they missed ‘this time’ . If they do kill Trump, I think it will be a sad day in China!

[@jumpinjakeflash1]

Excellent comment.

[@StealBackYourHeart]

Thank you!!!​@@jumpinjakeflash1

[@FreedomAintFree-ol6fy]

​​@@geekylove3603I know I'm not the person who commented, and judging on their profile picture also have a different racial background, but our experiences sound fairly analogous. I'm voting for Trump and it's pretty simple. The Democrats are only running on a policy of death. They want you to have an endless right to kill your kid. If that kid just so happens to make it past it's mother, they want the kid to be in a state of gender confusion, making it more likely for the kid to kill itself. And if the kid just so happens to make it through all that, it will only be long enough for him to be killed by one of the over 10 million illegals let in the past 3 years on his way to buy dairy Queen. Conversely, I've seen enough in Trump's 4 years to believe that he would be against each of those things, and our country will be safer with an actual president, not a committee of faceless bureaucrats. I'm an actions guy. They say Trump will be a dictator, but in the easiest time in my life for someone to take that kind of power (the pandemic), he gave all that power to the states. Same on abortion. Kamala Harris's openly said many times she believes in equity rather than inequality, which is corrosive to every society in which it's been implemented. There's literally not a single positive to voting in this party or this candidate. There's only one side pushing this racial division. Anyone trying to tell you it's both sides is essentially saying we get to slur you, but if you correct us with facts, you're racist. As a black person, I noticed how much more free speech I Have than the people around me. It's significant. The fear in the eyes of the people who I know who don't look like me to say exactly what it is that you're thinking disgusts me in a free country. There is nothing the voting in this Harris administration would do except exacerbate that.

[@bekscha579]

Hi John! I’m a white, Christian, millennial, stay at home mom, and a registered Republican from the south who will probably pull the lever for Trump. And I’m subscribed to this channel and enjoy your conversations. Don’t think that people who aren’t like you aren’t listening. I am. :) I’m your fellow American and I’m thankful for your perspective and opinion. I don’t often agree. But the dialogue between you and your friend over these important topics has been thought provoking. I also think the “simplistic” argument you were making about MAGA opinions smacks a bit of being too much in the echo chamber. (I know you surround yourself with differing opinions. Like this very podcast!) Were I to pull from my echo chamber, I could possibly frame a very similar but reverse argument about the simplicity of many leftist perspectives on Palestine or their desire for a humongous bureaucratic state. But I ultimately think that neither right not left are, in essence, “simplistic” in their views. We just may like to think that about each other.

[@michaelweber5702]

Interesting madam !

[@ninadaly7639]

BOTH fringe groups are simplistic in their views, which isn’t surprising considering they are the least educated among us!

[@elcidcampeador7400]

@@ninadaly7639 Maybe when you say “educated” you mean “informed”. If you really mean “educated” remember that nowadays it’s painfully obvious that many people are educated quite beyond their intelligence.

[@swcordovaf]

@@elcidcampeador7400😂

[@nedhill1242]

@@ninadaly7639 The RNC is actually cloe to the center and always has been. There is ZERO radical or extreme about Trump. He i a 90s Democrat. There is no extreme right no far right. All of that is projection lies and propaganda from the far left and the dems and the media are far/extreme left.

[@2ndSonofGod]

No one cares if you said it in public. That's what you meant and want in your heart.

[@noahghost4476]

@@2ndSonofGod I am no one. You don't speak for me. I am with dr. mcwhorter. Trump is a shit bird.

[@elcidcampeador7400]

Being sorry for “saying” it doesn’t mean anything. Being sorry for “thinking” it, now that means something.

[@pablolasha238]

I disagree. There are thing we think that because of their gravity shouldn’t be said out loud. Also, I think many people who feel similarly genuinely believe Trump is an existential threat to America. It’s not a justification, but I think it’s simplistic to think that everyone who feels that way is just an extremist. ESP for the older generation, I am more inclined to think the extremism is incubating in younger people who truly lack maturity and see nothing wrong with political violence.

[@2ndSonofGod]

@@pablolasha238 that's a foolish take. John is capable of being extremist, just because he's a coward and cannot bring himself to do it himself.

[@pablolasha238]

@@2ndSonofGod I can’t refute an argument you didn’t make.

[@thechainedmonkey]

Why are things only a threat to democracy when one side does it?

[@ninadaly7639]

@@thechainedmonkey Because only one side is threatening democracy. DUH!

[@charlesbruneski9670]

​@@ninadaly7639 Yup, and it's the side that spent years 'peacefully' protesting with fire bombing federal buildings, burning cities, declaring city zones autonomous from the government without being charged with insurrection.

[@BTD28]

​@@ninadaly7639 I agree. what the Democrats just did to the presidential selection process is a severe threat to democracy.

[@cablenewsfanatic5634]

Because the other side holds all cultural and institutional power.

[@mjolly88]

The fact that John chose to say “pull the LEAVER” instead “pull the lever” is a clearer sign of his disconnect to average Americans than his opinion that Cory Booker would get voters excited. I’m not even a Trump fan and I’m still struggling to understand some of John’s takes, as of late.

[@blakesleyk.7166]

Good comment. Sometimes they just fall victim to their own quackademic elite nonsense. They confuse the hell outta me being 1 moment black & in the same sentence culturally appropriating the term “brown” people. Jeesh dudes make up your minds.

[@jdankerdake]

When’s the last time you or anyone pulled a lever or a “leaver” to cast a vote? We’ve had computers and cards… button and touchscreen pressing for decades. What does the pronunciation of the word matter? This is a diverse country of 330 million people… how are you classifying who is average? How are you measuring how average people feel about this pronunciation?

[@SunTingWong]

His take? He’s a completely out of touch academic. His take is based upon fantasies told in higher (brainwashing) education classes. He’s everything wrong with academia…

[@Astarkiller]

@@jdankerdakeit cause John an elitist who is disconnected from the rest of America…like urself. It’s a figure of speech “I pulled the lever for so and so” and 99% of Americans say “pulling the lever” wen voting. They haven’t pulled levers for not years but decays, it’s a figure of speech like “whatever floats ur boat” wow are u American?

[@YouTubeMusicPortal]

I'm sure, Chris 'shiver me trousers' Matthews would be excited. I can already see the drool running from the corners of his mouth.

[@dm3988]

The way you both engage in conversation is truly remarkable. I appreciate the respect and civility you demonstrate during discussions. You are both shining examples of how to communicate with grace and empathy.

[@hskqour]

6:58 "You my man !" Yes please ! If anything is needed in our times is friendship over politics !

[@scottmitchell1974]

Mind boggling that ANYONE would have unchecked borders.

[@nigelralphmurphy2852]

That's why no one does!

[@michaelweber5702]

@@nigelralphmurphy2852 -- Exactly !

[@mrfast2win]

@@nigelralphmurphy2852 We do.

[@capoman1]

Yeah. Imagine, as a US citizen, what US laws you would not be allowed by our local government to break. Steal a candy bar. Drive over a speed limit or blow a stop sign, even a seatbelt violation... Yet the greatest offense, violation international law IS OVERLOOKED by our government. That cannot be an accident.

[@capoman1]

Consider this. Mexico only took 128k asylum requests last year.

[@talkingdog5694]

John, what’s more simplistic than ‘vote Harris because she’s black and female?’

[@barboglesby2162]

...and Communist!

[@RandyPass]

See my comment. This point is half baked, to put it mildly.

[@jeremyking9094]

Also the opposite many Conservatives and even ppl I admire like Jordan Peterson are simply calling Harris "DEI Barbie" as if she isn't incredibly accomplished.

[@rustyreview]

Who says that?

[@talkingdog5694]

⁠@@rustyreview”White Women for Kamala.” All about melanin and gender, nothing else. Look it up.

[@ArleneBrown-m4f]

Harris and Booker?? I can’t find words to express the hilarity, I can only hear Kamala’s cackling while Booker adores her with stars in his eyes

[@ricodelavega4511]

it should be Joe...Manchin, but I doubt Harris has the vision for how helpful that would be. I'd prefer that white ambassador to Mexico (and former Colorado senator), who is also a sneaker Mexican, Ken Salazar. By sneaker mexican, I mean he doesnt look it. That would electrify the mexican-american Southwest. He has a folksiness that is real, that is comforting to the white suburbs, unlike hers, which comes off as fake.

[@bobdeslob8768]

And both sides of the room can see those stars!

[@DogandButterfly6]

Former Democrat here, classical liberal. I cannot in good conscience vote for any Dem today. The was hoping for a different Republican candidate but Trump dominated the primary so here we are. I don’t like the direction of the country. I don’t like the weird cultural shift that preys on children. I homeschool now! All the biden policies are marxist in origin. I could go on and on Bottom line is I don’t feel safe in the world that Democrats are in charge of. That’s why we fled California!

[@horseluv7315]

I laughed when John said that.

[@siggyincr7447]

Yeah, John lives within a very nicely insulated bubble it seems. To think that the American public would get excited about that combination is so ridiculous that it borders on hilarity.

[@keronramon4642]

John has the unique ability to call people st***d in such an eloquent way. It's people like him that make me go to the right

[@jem77469]

I go to the right because the right has better ideas, but the smugness of McWhorter and his ilk strengthens my convictions.

[@ninadaly7639]

Well if you can’t handle truth, I can understand why?

[@keronramon4642]

@@ninadaly7639'his' truth actually, "the truth" is a concept, in his own words, is too simple for him to understand.

[@ninadaly7639]

@@keronramon4642 When I say “Truth”, I am not talking about opinion based on selective and interpretive facts. I am talking about facts. Not just the convenient ones. ALL OF THEM! What has happened is NOT a concept. It cannot be changed.

[@keronramon4642]

@@ninadaly7639 he doesn't speak facts, he speaks MSNBC and CNN talking points, which he believes are valid. He is a sam Harris like figure who believes his degrees gives him some special insight into policies for the masses.

[@kkampy4052]

How can you let 10,000,000 people in when you don't know anything about them? There are people from all over the world coming through that open door, not all to live the American dream.

[@michaelweber5702]

That is correct !

[@capoman1]

For context, and a shocking fact, to assist you in your conversations on this topic... Mexico only took 128k asylum requests last year.

[@ninadaly7639]

Well no one LET them in.

[@capoman1]

@@ninadaly7639 Sure they are let in, ushered in in fact... Google the app that is used. It's an asylum app, it gives them instructions, assistance, tells them where to cross the border illegally, starts an asylum claim, and more. This is orchestrated.

[@elcidcampeador7400]

Indeed it is an open door. Hopefully not many already inside readying to start the “American Nightmare”.

[@zyndr_]

I have finally reached my limit with John. He has absolutely nothing to say about the assassination attempt, nothing about the trauma inflicted on Trump or his family, nor the bereaved family of Corey, or the other two men that were injured. He uttered no.condemnation of the shooter. He showed zero concern over the massive security lapse by the secret service and the subsequent cover ups, stonewalling, and disrespect of Congress by Cheatle. John has none of the outrage for J13 that he had over J6. Marching on the capital is unforgivable, but as assassination attempt is just 'meh' because of who the target was. John pours scorn over the simplistic 'easy' message of MAGA, and he sneers at the base instincts that it appeals to. He criticized Trump's words that he said literally seconds after he almost lost his life. John couches his relentless disdain for the right in seemingly insipid conciliatory tones, but when you listen to what he's actually saying, it's truly disgusting. I have tolerated him for years because I thought he was at least reasonable. I am finally done with his false equivalency and whataboutism and haughty condescension. The veneer.of politeness is not fooling me anymore.

[@1247.cccccc]

John does not recognize common sense. He may have a disability.

[@deanaharris2153]

My thoughts exactly. However, I came to this conclusion some time ago..

[@koalanectar9382]

Yeah it's getting pretty old. He's becoming something that he usually recognizes as a problem.

[@Shawn-oh5yq]

His TDS is similar to Sam Harris at this point. Both beyond saving.

[@samij6071]

I'm sure he's CRUSHED

[@larryczerwonka5125]

We are all perfectly flawed human beings. The best we can do is slow down and take a breath before we allow our thoughts across our lips. I enjoy listening to your discussions. You two are an example of how to talk with one another. As for politics, tell me (as a someone asking for my vote) what you will do, not what your challenger will do (because you can never know that). Adding this line while deeper into the video: i never vote for a candidate who says they will fight for me-fights never end well, and rarely leads to long lasting, let alone good, legislation. As a voter, tell me what you like and why you will be voting for someone. i don't care (nor do i wish to hear) why you will not be voting for someone.

[@BeanMacdui]

I wish more people would read your comment and see the wisdom in it. The first part was especially insightful.

[@donnabartley2246]

Glenn ! PLEASE...we the people need you !

[@sams2004]

Has John blamed Trump for his own assassination attempt yet?

[@1247.cccccc]

He seems to believe it is implied. LOL

[@stephensinilas8611]

People like John in the media are partially responsible for the assassination attempt. Although it would’ve happened without them. Trump is not a psychopath. That is why they hate him. If you diverge 1% from their agenda. This is what happens to you.

[@willmercury]

And has he yet acknowledged that an innocent man died using himself to shield his daughter from gunfire? Has he yet condemned the would-be assassin, or criticized the deplorable performance of the secret service? No, he has not and that is unconscionable.

[@Star-hg1kt]

😂😂😂

[@TheNewblade1]

​@@willmercuryboth can be true and in fact the death of the person is on Trump's hands. Also the kid was a Republican.

[@erickminor]

John has convinced me to go full MAGA!

[@k.s.nichols4060]

I'm not sure how it's bad to take efforts to improve your own country.

[@listener523]

Welcome to the most diverse, inclusive insurrectionist threat to Joe Biden's democracy brother.

[@carlosgaspar8447]

i only clicked to read some comments

[@noahghost4476]

Sounds like someone else convinced you to be an unserious person.

[@1247.cccccc]

There is a meathead on here that thinks like John: @noahghost4476 People should not be apologizing for comparing Trump to hitler, and Dr McWhorter should not be apologizing for what he said either. The stakes are high. When Dr McWhorter said he wished something would happen to remove Trump from the equation that's synonymous with saying Trump could be an existential threat to the United states. Many people call that Trump derangement syndrome. I do not. Trump and his henchmen tried to game The Electoral system. If they get another chance, there's no reason to expect they won't try to do it again and more effectively this time. It's absolutely ridiculous that a lot of people on the right are blaming Democratic for radicalizing the shooter. If any rhetoric motivated that shooter, it's Trump's own rhetoric. Everyone knows it.

[@twostoryted]

Hey Glenn and John, I appreciate you guys doing the 'are we ok?'' part at the end. I am very split between the views of both of you on many issues and listening to you guys speak on issues helps me figure out how I think about the world. I sometimes come to conclusions that disagree with both of your opinions. Anyway, I needed to hear you guys say that. My world would be a lot less intellectually and morally stimulating if the answer were to be "No were are not." Thank you for all of your time and effort, this helps so many people.

[@ericgitau639]

Im glad i found this channel its informative.

[@sunnyla2835]

17 years and counting😊, feel blessed to listen in on these always thought-provoking conversations, love these two amazing men❤, even if John does have terminal TDS

[@scottmitchell1974]

Notice John only regrets saying it PUBLICLY!

[@keredeht]

If you pretend you arent evil, are you really not?

[@estherruth4692]

I think it’s fine to have thoughts or say things in private you wouldn’t say in public. Having said that, I have never wished harm to Biden or Kamala, even in my private thoughts.

[@adambelmont9660]

​@@estherruth4692 I hope Biden lives forever.

[@williambarry8015]

@@scottmitchell1974 he just lost his privilege to be all outraged and self righteous when the other side does it.

[@hanssvoboda]

So what?

[@karljay7473]

Interesting reveal of character. The only thing you regret is that you said it out loud. So you don't want the public to know how you really feel about something. This is even worse than feeling it in the first place because you still feel that way, but you just didn't want people to know you feel that way.

[@laurelsternberg5861]

Thank you for mentioning Jeff Sachs' view on the creep of NATO up to Russian's border. Too few people talk about it.

[@James-ln7ce]

Jamaal bowman, the guy who pulled the fire alarm. Lied he did it until it was on video. Afterward, he said it was an accident . No insurrection charges?

[@k.s.nichols4060]

He was trying to impede the operation of Congress.

[@DontayMoore]

​@@k.s.nichols4060which is an act of insurrection by the left's definition. Its the same as stopping an election certification by Congress.

[@James-ln7ce]

@k.s.nichols4060 the process of casting a vote

[@cablenewsfanatic5634]

Right. Bowman is one ofte good ole boys.

[@kazmierzglinny6728]

A lot of common sense and wisdom, in Glenn’s words 👍

[@professorplum2531]

John has zero idea what Maga believes or why. It's really embarrassing, I like the guy

[@OlympiaCHUD]

Yeah, I like him and I still like him. This conversation is a model for how we can be amicable even when things really get under our skin.

[@evaneugenescott]

Why do you like him? He proves every podcast he hates you

[@tsechejak7598]

The term as an abbreviation has no connection to the phrase. Its a slander as an abbreviation. If People of a nation don’t control their own borders in a way respecting EVERYBODY IN AND OUT then criminals/cartels own the borders, out of the vsccum the cartels run it, hence human trafficking and slavery are part of the “immigration” that dems think of when also chasing unicorns and their rainbow colored turds. Im voting for RFKjr because he has more concrete detailed ideas for regaing constitutional values for the individual, regaining sovereignty for the nation and also fighting the deep corruption of wall street and banking that is now tyranin of itself along with deepstate corruption. Trump always takes a step back before criticizing deepstate corruption or wall street corruption, Trump won’t criticize the fed, RFKjr is the only candidate to do so including promoting bitcoin while Trump is in favor of banning alternative currencies bit doesnt care the fed is purposely wrecking the dollar!

[@professorplum2531]

@evaneugenescott I have nothing in common with the silly characature that he hates. I just feel sorry for him. I bet he would really like me too. I find it charming the way he agonizes over how to say "lever" Lol.

[@ninadaly7639]

EVERYONE knows what they espouse. It’s called Project 2025

[@grimyok]

John says he doesn't have TDS then immediately give an example of his TDS.

[@ninadaly7639]

You all are so delusional and blind.

[@ninadaly7639]

@@grimyok You are the one with TDS.

[@ninadaly7639]

@@grimyok The TDS is all yours.

[@LisaFenton-h7f]

Actual TDS is far more a part of Trump's SUPPORTERS who are in complete denial about his character or what he actually did while in office 9serve his wealthy buddies with $2.2 TRILLION in TAX CUTS and Pardons for crimes.)

[@Tiasung]

@@ninadaly7639 TDS is a disproportionate hate towards Trump that makes someone go deranged when Trump is mentioned.

[@snowbirdsurfer2474]

Trump derangement syndrome on display…less emotion, more analysis John! Thank you.

[@Transhumanist_Adam]

17:00 How is America first “Easier” or “more Simple” sloganism than libs.”No Human is Illegal,” “Putin Bad” bumper stickers. Every argument from John when it comes to the right is: “It’s ok when we do it, and your side is worse”

[@1247.cccccc]

John politely demands that we recognize he is mentally impaired by an exquisite case of TDS. He is so bad I hope he qualifies for the best parking spots.

[@bobdeslob8768]

Or “X rights are human rights” without any philosophical basis other than “I want this thing so it’s a human right”

[@TheNewblade1]

​@@bobdeslob8768nice non sequitur

[@TheNewblade1]

Although this is a question, you constructed in a way that makes you right by default. To start he's talking about advocacy, no lib runs on a platform of "Putin bad". Second, he means easier as in personal sacrifice. It cost you nothing to ask for laws barring immigrants but letting them in and assimilation would come with challenges.

[@Transhumanist_Adam]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@TheNewblade1he’s not talking about advocacy. He’s talking about the WAY people advocate. His contention is that while the left demands education (even if it’s an education in BS by the three letter people) “MAGA people” is a collection of reason-free, xenophobic zombies motivated by their racist id. At base, John looks down on MAGA because they value things they know personally over things they learned reading a book. Dems (and neocons) do indeed Advocate for billions of accountability free billions to Ukraine - not rooted in some deep understanding of the Russo-Ukrainian conflict - but supposed Putin containment that is sacrifice free to the US. ( If they could make a coherent case that he wanted to take over the world they could get US support for troops on the ground. )

[@koalanectar9382]

John- raising taxes as some general solution is just as simplistic as lowering them. As with anything, the specifics matter. Your right wing derangement syndrome is showing.

[@TheNewblade1]

You're mischaracterizing his claim. He's not comparing choices *within* a framework (raising or lowering taxes) he's comparing frameworks. As in, doing something to taxes (a systemic change) and buying one less latte a week ( a personal pathology).

[@tomhalla426]

“Destroying our Democracy” apparently means raising questions about mail in ballots, or voting security in general.

[@dr.emilschaffhausen4683]

Correct assessment. Requiring an ID is one step closer to destroying democracy, apparently.

[@j3kfd9j]

I think it was more about Trump's months-long proclamation that he did not intend to abide by the election results if he lost, plus his attempt to insert alternative (i.e. not produced by the existing legal procedures) electors to change the electoral college outcome, contrary to the apparent vote of the people. I say that as someone who also believes that we could do much more to secure our elections.

[@bobdeslob8768]

@@j3kfd9jhey we are gonna go ahead and declare you guilty. Not going to have a trial or anything. Just a judge (who is authorized to declare guilt or innocence, and therefore it’s within their jurisprudence). Don’t bother screaming about the other legal reasons that might be wrong. We said it’s okay so we are just going to do that.

[@dr.emilschaffhausen4683]

@@j3kfd9j Are you pro requiring an ID for voting?

[@capoman1]

No. "Threat to democracy" has become synonymous with "threat to the left losing power." So anyone that causes a threat to dems losing is a "democracy threat."

[@SocraticMic]

Well done gentlemen. Nutting up is a thing. Glen leads and we follow. I could totally feel you John, your emotions are comforting. Glen is both gracious and candid. Much love fellas. You make the world a better place.

[@rubyslippers9140]

John I want to give you some positives on Trump. 1. The Abraham Accords. 2. Opportunity Zones for African Americans 3. No new wars 4. Russia did not take any territory as they did with both Obama and Biden. On immigration he has floated the idea that foreign students at US colleges be given Visas upon graduation. You might be surprised and not just have to wait out his presidency for anything good to happen.

[@BhutanBluePoppy]

If the NY Times doesn’t put it on the front page (like THERE ARE WMDs IN IRAQ) then it didn’t happen.

[@BeanMacdui]

And the bill making animal abuse a felony! ❤

[@Tyzzara]

I am so glad I found this channel. Only about three weeks ago! To host and guests: Thank you for who you are and all that you do.

[@peterz22thomas5]

Jonny the assassin enabler looked physically pained when Glen was talking about Trumps bloody fist pump. HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

[@danielscott7211]

Mr. Loury, thank you and I personally choose to pray for you and your family as is my personal choice.

[@kellyjordan4715]

I enjoy your conversations. As MAGA myself I do appreciate everyones perspective.

[@init100]

It helps if they don't suffer from TDS though. Many people who are not Trump supporters manage to analyze him and his movement without clutching their pearls. People like Jimmy Dore, for example, or Glenn Greenwald.

[@constanceheuring6872]

"Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks"

[@ladybgail]

Glenn Loury we need more of your voice

[@culinarywonk9931]

I am so glued to each and every podcast... I thank you both for this refreshing on going conversation. Vi ringrazio del cuore. Pina

[@peterz22thomas5]

Someone tell John that I don't know a single MAGA person who says "Ukraine is losing, time to pull out". What they're saying, and HAVE BEEN saying, is "What the hell are we doing over there"? You know, anti-war? Anti-dead bodies?

[@TheNewblade1]

Tbf Republicans are never that concise, so your both wrong. I could easily find a clip of maga hatter saying both in the same clip

[@larky3487]

someone tell John before the invasion...Russia and Ukraine had a deal...Boris Johnson speaking our behalf as well, told Zelynski (sp) not to, wtf?

[@kimberleywarren8679]

I have a friend from Ukraine, she said the war was lost 10 months ago, only the US media would not report it. We have continued to send billions to Ukraine to prop them up for election purposes.

[@ninadaly7639]

@@peterz22thomas5 Well we are not over there fighting are we?

[@terdferguson1736]

@@ninadaly7639what? We aren’t? Are you kidding? You don’t think there are Americans covertly there? No one from the CIA or unlisted contractors. There were atleast 250 agents at J6. And even if there were zero Americans there the fact that we are paying for their economy so they don’t collapse ( even though that are still going too) and that we are arming them literally putting us in a hot war with Russia.. all this for what to hide the unbelievable amount of corruption there committed by Joe Biden/his families , Democrats and neocons for a few months.. this is literally a proxy war and it’s disgusting.. so not sure what you mean that we are there.. we are the only reason that conflict started and is still going.. Joe Biden committed and act of treason against our allies blowing up the nordstream pipeline. And I’m sure you are aware of this but that is an actual impeachable offense! We actually need trump so he can bring peace , which is crazy right , and too think MAGA is pro Ukraine conflict is insane . MAGA are not neocons they despise them and you’d have to either be unbelievably uninformed or a liar to think otherwise

[@walteradair7738]

I don't regret many things i have done in the past 81 years. I do regret a great many things I have said that were not only wrong but hurtful and hateful. One can only apologize, learn from it and move on. Great show guys, er doctors!

[@jacobcochrane9069]

No talk about how empty and awkward Kamala is? No talk of RFKJr??

[@annihull6373]

Thank you for this wonderful example of an articulated discussion that shows respect for each other and the topics at hand while giving space to remain relational in spite of conflict. I wish everyone could see this discussion.

[@TLww4soup]

John's pervue vis a vis MAGA and the current iteration of the Democratic Party strikes me as a lazy, rote, in-group scripted narrative one might find on a pamphlet from 2015. Glenn, on the other hand, has a very nuanced and practical read on the current temperature in the streets.

[@hsmd4533]

Great intellectual discussion, thank you!

[@deenzmartin6695]

I'm getting some Sam Harris vibes from John and it makes me sad.

[@williambarry8015]

I think they're all getting paid.

[@deenzmartin6695]

@@williambarry8015 WHO IS THEY? PAID BY WHOM?

[@k.s.nichols4060]

Sad. You are right. A clear thinker corrupted by irrationality.

[@blakesleyk.7166]

@@k.s.nichols4060He does love his woke NYT job. Still, Kamela & Corey Booker?! Think John found Glenn’s ol crack pipe.

[@williambarry8015]

Having concerns about having an open border while being the aggressor in a hot war with a nuclear power makes us bad people according to John McWhorter.

[@ninadaly7639]

@@williambarry8015 Who are you talking about?

[@williambarry8015]

@@ninadaly7639 don't play low IQ

[@botticelli728]

I remember when I was young and stupid and someone shot Ronald Reagan. I had the thought, "Good, maybe he'll die and we'll be rid of him," and then I saw his wife, Nancy's, face as she rushed into the hospital to see him. She was terrified. At that moment it hit me that these politicians, however we think of them, are human beings with loved ones who would be devastated at their deaths. I was ashamed. I grew up that day, and I have always kept it in mind that we need to respect and understand politicians' humanity and vulnerability and avoid wishing them harm, no matter what their views and actions are.

[@jgalt308]

"So, is there a proper blessing for the Czar?"

[@capoman1]

Yes. It is sad that the media has perpetuated the norm of demonizing and dehumanizing politicians. That is the basic technique the parties and msm have used to attempt to sway elections. If you watch content from the 60s and 70s by people like Milton Friedman or Thomas Sowell, the conversation was much more substantive and not emotionally charged.

[@hanzo2001]

Should we hold the Kims with such deference?

[@BeanMacdui]

Clearly the poster was only thinking about American politicians and not thinking beyond that.

[@jgalt308]

@@BeanMacdui Like those that gave you the pandemic of the unvaccinated?

[@brotherbeat6541]

I appreciate John coming back to those statements

[@miamikaos5958]

John's constant denial of having a severe case of Trump Derangement Syndrome can be summed up in wishing for the death of someone and offering a half hearted apology by stating "I shouldn't have said it publicly".

[@jumpinjakeflash1]

Precisely

[@istandcorrrected2661]

Glenn, I don’t know how you do it. McWhorter is completely out of touch with reality.

[@ninadaly7639]

@@istandcorrrected2661 OR you are.

[@kdnofyudbn5918]

Mr McWhorter, in this show you stated that your awful statement was due to emotion. Question, what was it that Trump did that triggered your emotions so that you would want harm/death to befall Trump? Surely in the past you've heavily disagreed or dislike a politician for his/her actions ( example my anger toward Bush Jr of the Iraq war, but never did I wish him harm).

[@1247.cccccc]

He is admitting to being a victim of the communist programming. John is not based in reality.

[@slider292]

Probably the fact that a Trump presidency may very well result in the harm/death of many more innocent people, compared to the prospect of the presidency of an alternative.

[@ninadaly7639]

Don’t be an idiot!

[@dwaynepatch6872]

John just sounds like don lemon taught him his political views

[@1247.cccccc]

KEK

[@stephensinilas8611]

Yupp smh

[@icjulia2]

True!

[@PuletuaWilson]

JOHN I'M BEEN LISTENING TO YOU AND GLENN LOURY MANY TIMES, BUT I ACCEPT YOUR APOLOGY PERIOD ❤❤

[@nedhill1242]

He didn't apologize for what he said or indeed meant, only that he said it publicly.

[@Huxya]

TL;DR: I am confusing Trump with the strawman media projected, and also I am so sciency, but I refuse to apply scientific approach to figure out who Trump is and trust the media completely.

[@1247.cccccc]

Right on target. This should be pinned.

[@WilliamResing]

We're tired of McWorter's straw-man characterizations of President Trump's positions.

[@faturechi]

His TDS is really off-putting.

[@ninadaly7639]

@@WilliamResing You should be tired of Old Don’s constant lies by now!

[@WilliamResing]

@@ninadaly7639 Please give us an example.

[@ninadaly7639]

@@WilliamResing Did you happen to catch Old Don’s speech to the Christian Nationals in the last few days? He said, “You only have to get out and vote this one time. There won’t be an election in 2028.”. From the old horse’s mouth.

[@WilliamResing]

@@ninadaly7639 Are you talking about “The Believers’ Summit” hosted by the conservative Christian organization Turning Point Action in West Palm Beach? Because I did watch that and didn't hear him say that. And I don't think they are Christian Nationals or even Nationalists.

[@jeffmoore7551]

I love this program. It is one of my favorites! And I love the civil discourse. The question that I would like to pose to John is what makes him think that that oversimplified version of conservative thinking that he presents is the way that I or a multitude of other conservatives actually think? Where is he getting this impression? Is it only from the brief snippets of Media that are easily accessed through KZbin or any of the other social media outlets? If so, my reply would be that I rarely have conversations with other conservatives that take on that extremely simple tenor or that have that exclusionary Voice that he seems to think that we use.

[@corbaneubanks3762]

He considers himself brilliant. You don't agree with his views. Therefore YOU are simple. Pure arrogance

[@JDmix123]

Yes you were dog whistling. If Trump saying Protest peacefully and respectfully is a dog whistle for an “insurrection “(😂) then you inferring someone assassinate Trump is definitely dog whistle.

[@ninadaly7639]

@@JDmix123 BUT “FIGHT, or lose your country” IS such a dog whistle and the dogs responded!

[@JDmix123]

@@ninadaly7639 what do you mean?

[@ninadaly7639]

@@JDmix123 That’s what he said at the rally before they stormed the capitol.

[@ninadaly7639]

@@JDmix123 But the most telling tidbit is I was watching the news 1/6 and I specifically remember seeing a piece that said word had been given to rally security to STOP screening rally goers as they entered.

[@JDmix123]

@@ninadaly7639 and, saying right like hell isn’t a dog whistle. People should fight for what they believe in, that different than go and riot. Even the rigged J6 committee cleared him of that 😂

[@jedsparks7324]

John will get a little more grown up in about another 20 years. He's a good guy

[@barboglesby2162]

Not if he stays on drugs.

[@michaelweber5702]

@@barboglesby2162 - What is that comment about ?

[@Star-hg1kt]

😂😂😂

[@ninadaly7639]

When do you predict YOU will grow up!

[@jedsparks7324]

Ignore, There are always a few shit heads. Remember mental institutions allow KZbin. Glenn & John have my respect, They know how to use their brains

[@jpcpdntp]

Boy! Did I have McWhorter wrong. I am taking this channel off my watch list.

[@markcoveryourassets]

Just listen to Glenn. 😂

[@bluerfoot]

@@markcoveryourassets Glenn seems to speak more from a ruff and tumble life while John...well he reminds me of a lot of waspy suburban folks I know. Even if he does live is Queens.

[@bobdeslob8768]

A) don’t punish Glenn b) you are well served by listening to competing viewpoints. Running from them doesn’t make you a better debater and also “others” your fellow citizens more than we do already

[@BeanMacdui]

@@bobdeslob8768Excellent points. Hopefully the poster sees your reply.

[@onetwo19]

John can't think of a single positive about Trump the man? Millions can see the positives but John can't. I find that bizarre.

[@capoman1]

Or the numerous anecdotes of Trump helping people. Trump endorsed and campaigned for Jesse Jackson. Judge Joe Brown talks about Trump giving loans to black entrepreneurs, and forgave many of the loans, charity essentially. One poor elderly destitute black woman was staying at Trump hotel and would not leave. Trump talked to her personally and felt so bad for her, he let her stay at the hotel free of charge indefinitely, she got 3 free room service meals every day, and had fresh flowers delivered once a week.... These things do not make headlines or get advertised.

[@ninadaly7639]

Millions and millions cannot!

[@jrd33]

John may get all his information on Trump from Democrat sources. If all I knew about Trump was what Democrats say about him, I wouldn't have a single positive thing to say about Trump either.

[@ninadaly7639]

@@jrd33 I see. And you assume John gets his info exclusively from democrat sources. Why?

[@jrd33]

@@ninadaly7639 I am inferring that because he said he can't think of a single positive about Trump. So if he is listening to Conservative sources, he isn't believing them. I could be wrong, of course.

[@REF451-y3n]

I’ve bought John’s books and respected him for decades. I was appalled when I heard him wish for Trump’s murder. But I thought, let’s see if he reconsiders and walks that back. And then he apologized…for saying what he really thinks IN PUBLIC. Not for wishing death on another human being because they’re a political opponent. Just for admitting it. In light of the assassination attempt, I was hoping again that he would reconsider. But he doubled down. Once again, he’s only sorry for saying what he really thinks IN PUBLIC…and the IN PUBLIC part was his only mistake. When someone tells you who they are three times, believe them. So when he says at the end that despite the fact that Trump is despicable, disgusting, horrible, etc., etc., John would have been sorry if he’d actually been killed…sorry, no. I don’t believe you. Now you’re a liar. You’d have been delighted. But you’ve seen what happens to people who’ve said that publicly, and you’ve learned to be circumspect. Even Glenn would kick you to the curb for that. I’ve enjoyed and respected this man’s work for years, but no more. He will never get another dime of my money.

[@talkingdog5694]

I disagree, and I’m willing to bet that you don’t have close friends or relatives with such vitriolic feelings about Trump. Of course John has deep remorse for speaking his words in public! It’s horrifying to think that one’s own words could translate into another’s evil deed. (“Who will rid me of this turbulent priest” comes to mind.) On the other hand, it would feel immoral to deny one’s own feelings. All you have to do is watch his face during this discussion to know these things. Moreover, it’s still not going to be easy for him to reconcile that he, a rational and accomplished public intellectual, has succumbed to TDS. Give him time. He enriches our lives. Don’t abandon him over this one thing in the heat of an election year.

[@capoman1]

​​@@talkingdog5694I don't know if the left will have any intervention moment or some reckoning that makes them realize how much they let politics turn them towards hatred... I feel the hatred was mostly deliberately inspired by the media, and I don't imagine the media changing that pattern or turning a mirror onto this behavior.... Russia and conservatives will continue to be portrayed as boogeymen.

[@chrisdenio1153]

I agree and feel quite disillusioned. John definitely doubled down while pretending to apologize. And then added insult to injury by going on and on about how the views of the left are so sophisticated and intellectually challenging that Glenn’s audience can’t grasp them. Since John is such an outspoken atheist, he doesn’t search his heart, mind and conscience about wishing death on someone, only regrets that he allowed the simple-minded to hear it.

[@eashton42]

@@talkingdog5694I was with you until you said he’s “succumbed to TDS”. I like to think I’m a pretty ordinary, non-deranged person, and I absolutely share John’s view that Trump is a uniquely malevolent force in our politics. I get the sense, though, that you would view me as having “succumbed to TDS” as well-no, I just think he’s manifestly unfit for the office, especially in light of his total refusal to accept the election results (“stop the steal”) in 2020. Anyone who would openly reject election results in that way, as well as dozens of court cases about those election results, is beyond the pale IMO. Does that make me deranged, in your view?

[@ianfisher3600]

Easier = dumber? ... Easier = deplorable? ... Mr. McWhorter, better if you simply stated that you like it up on your high horse and you're not coming down. It seems you cannot see it and that IS a symptom of TDS.

[@ninadaly7639]

And you are thick as a brick.

[@lostferwords5650]

John, you're an elitist, the thing you constantly claim not to want to be.

[@kerwinbrown4180]

John is biased and as a professor he is an elite. His bias is race based not elite based.

[@BeanMacdui]

How so? It seems a strange thing to say. And it has a tinge of bitterness, well, that’s how it comes off to me, anyway.

[@carolynlyfordsullivan1377]

My mom is a first generation American. My Grandparents became Americans the legal way . We have a legal way to become American.

[@Dan-sc9lq]

I am glad you two are not divorcing. I look forward to your conversations. John’s emotional reactions at times shows education does not trump raw feelings.

[@jeffrp8388]

Excellent, very thought and emotion provoking show guys. Mr McWhorter, a question for you which I hope you will some day address: Was it really Trump, or was it the Dems and their emotional rejection of Trump, who came along to "whip up or significantly help in whipping up that particular all but violent ....." ? Pols and the media immediately began attacking him unlike anything I'd ever seen in my 67 years. And he responded unlike any Pol ever had in my 67 years. Key word here: "responded."

[@CC-xs3jf]

Totally agree.

[@bobdeslob8768]

It is usually revealed when you ask them to justify the rationale for their hatred with historical evidence, not what they have been told to think, but evidence. It usually withers quickly and you realize it’s because they have been told to hate.

[@boombam2839]

Id get wore out w/Kamala & Booker reminding me they're black, in every answer to every question in every interview.

[@tylermiller3879]

As I watch, 20 min in, John, it's true that things can be oversimplified, but so is it true that they can be over complicated or intellucualized. So, for things like the border, the simple question is who is doing what or better on the border become simple questions that provide a lot of answers!

[@BeanMacdui]

So, so well put. I think that kind of thing, over complicating etc, never gets noticed or brought up. It’s a great point!

[@kevinoreilly6833]

I've said this many times - this is one of, if not the best podcast out there. You guys are great, smart, and very real. Thank you gentlemen.

[@dongrinolds140]

John is too closed minded to admit he is wrong. It's so obvious Glen is much older and wiser.

[@ninadaly7639]

@@dongrinolds140 OR, You are!

[@Tiasung]

@@ninadaly7639 The reality is here for everyone that has their eyes opened, to see. They are correct. John is extremely close minded.

[@ninadaly7639]

@@Tiasung LOLOL. Seems you’re the one with the closed mind.

[@ninadaly7639]

@@Tiasung You all are going to be so embarrassed when the fog lifts!

[@GodsOwnPrototype]

Hey John, why not drive with your eyes closed? It's much more difficult than the eyes open style of driving that the hoi polloi engage in.

[@doctordrabs]

Thank you guys, I'm feeling very nervous if Kamala wins. She swings very hard communist 😢

[@ninadaly7639]

Communist? Really? She is advocating the end of private property. For gods sake! Use a dictionary!

[@jeremyking9094]

KDS smh

[@FUToob]

@@ninadaly7639 - She is full on for Equity. If you don't get it already, you likely won't ever.

[@TheNewblade1]

​@@FUToobequity is the abolition of private property, money, class, and borders? Is what I'm not getting, and will get later, that words have no meaning to you?

[@Bee89301]

Destruction of of our country!

[@Twodoggies48]

Great show! 👍

[@dr.emilschaffhausen4683]

Logic and Common Sense versus emotion and Progressive ideology.

[@shamsam4]

I love you both and I deeply respect you.

[@j0n.p]

I don't always agree with John, but he's undeniably smart, and even he suffers from the thing that we all see, specifically if you don't have it, so imagine how the average 25 year old with normal intelligence feels about Trump. It's probably (and hopefully) the closet thing I'll ever see to a literal mass hysteria.

[@ninadaly7639]

@@j0n.p You all are going to want hide under your beds when the evidence and truth are shown.

[@BhutanBluePoppy]

Definitely an eye-opener. I used to believe Germans were unique in their quickness to accede to authoritarianism. My bad - now that I’ve seen liberals like Chomsky and Reich advocate taking the unvaccinated from their homes and into detention camps, and Pelosi scornfully tearing up Trump’s State of the Union speech, I’ve learned that it only takes clever propaganda from those who refuse to give up power. So much for their belief in people power.

[@dgumbrecht]

I dunno John, the trouble with your ticket of Kamala and Corey is both of them, blackness notwithstanding, are both just standard issue Democrats. Nothing about them is outstanding other than aesthetics. I also think you're underestimating the extent to which Trump supporters support him for nontrivial reasons. When I see interviews of Trump voters (which I am not one of) they often cite things like the economy, and immigration rather than just his "energy" or the way he makes them feel.

[@capoman1]

And I've never heard someone give superficial reasons like "he's tall" or "I like his skin color."

[@rogerpenske2411]

The only reason that the Maga positions sound simple, is that it is simple! We have laws. Those laws are supposed to restrain government: therefore lower taxes would be the result of raining and government to its constitutional limits. That’s simple, isn’t it? We have laws regarding immigration, don’t we? We don’t need to come up with any new laws regarding immigrationWe have a fine set of laws for immigration. Once again a very simple solution: follow the wall (Apple did a real nice thing here by misinterpreting law and seeing wall

[@craigboesen649]

John.. we all are human.. we all have had similar thoughts.. I appreciate you acknowledging it because this is a public forum. Most people wouldn’t acknowledge it.. you did! Bravo! We are all human!

[@lancedodd7534]

John is reducing in his caricature of people who are voting Republican! I'm voting Republican which is based on principles arguement as Glenn stated! Which is anyone but Democrat based on the ideology and elitism! Anyone but Biden/Kamala really KAMALA!!! DEMS CAN DEFINITELY DO MUCH BETTER!

[@bud1239]

Judge Andrew Napolitano is the best! It would be great to get the judge on the Glenn Show!!!!

[@stephensinilas8611]

HERE HERE!! Yes. Greyzone. Mate. Blumenthal. Finkelstein. Greenwald. Macgregor. Etc

[@DarrylWhiteguitar]

Booker?! Seriously?! He's a slimeball angler.

[@jefhorton1958]

Wow Glenn...when two people arrive at the same truth but know nothing about what we each experienced to arrive there, it's more likely that it is actually truth. You just put words to the thoughts so eloquently. I am so glad I watched this.

[@michaelmacdonald589]

I think the biggest disparity here is. that Glen is actually a thinker and often brutally honest. You have continually presented hard truths and have the intellectual heft that most of your listeners respect. John, as more time passes, has shown less and less his ability to get beyond his own deeply held beliefs and offer reasoned positions instead of the same "low resolution" arguments he attributes to the "MAGA" political movement.

[@Tiasung]

John needs to upgrade his internal monitor so he can see the perspectives of others more clearly.

[@Dan-sc9lq]

I am not MAGA and John does not suffer from TDS. However he will vote Harris and I will vote Trump.

[@eashton42]

The implication on your part that John McWhorter isn’t “actually a thinker” is risible, in my view. You seem to be saying that John is less intelligent, less of a critical thinker, because he tends to make arguments you don’t like, agree with, or even respect-and you have the chutzpah to assert that this means he isn’t offering “reasoned positions”, because I guess disagreeing isn’t enough so you feel the need to denigrate his “‘low resolution’ arguments”. I disagree with both John and Glenn sometimes, depending on the topic and their arguments about it, but I have never had any doubts about either man’s intellectual capabilities. Despite agreeing much more often with John, I actually think Glenn is often a better orator and rhetorician; he has immense verve, and an amazing ability to articulate the opposing case. And yet, more often than not, I disagree with his *conclusions* and agree with John’s. Forgive me if this is coming on too strong, but you really do seem to be falling into something we all feel sometimes: regarding those you disagree with as lesser in some way or another, rather than merely mistaken or wrong. Why belittle someone you think is wrong? Why not see them as misguided, as opposed to lazy, dumb, and/or ill-intentioned? Some people are so malevolent or unserious that they aren’t worth contending with, but John McWhorter? Come on, now.

[@TheChippewa77]

John and Glenn I love your show and find myself on board with you 85% of the time. I am proudly a member of the MAGA increasingly weary of the condescending attitudes that I hear from many leftists. I possess two graduate degree including a clinical doctorate and my perspectives are colored by my respect for all and by my faith. However, I would like to know how a Harris Booker presidency would enrich the nation, not to mention my white grandchildren? Elections appear to come down to what candidates can do for us? I can play that game too. It’s important to note that my first political contribution was to Allen Keys. Color is irrelevant, it is philosophy, policy and faith that matter.

[@Mayhap34]

I did not realize John had Trump derangement.

[@duanemansel5704]

Where have you been?

[@Mayhap34]

@@duanemansel5704 😆, it's true I don't come here often. I knew he wasn't for Trump, just not at the derangement level.

[@geekylove3603]

People still like Trump?

[@Mayhap34]

@@geekylove3603 I believe more do now than in 2016

[@geekylove3603]

@Mayhap34 Wow. Ok. You guys really are dense. Enjoy your Hulk Hogan.

[@AndyKirkpatrick50]

Is anyone else finding it harder and harder to listen to John McWhorter? I can't help but feel I've been listening to a man for the last four years who's becoming increasingly narrow-minded (thank God for Glenn!). It's remarkable, considering John's day jobs, that he has any mind left at all.

[@ninadaly7639]

@@AndyKirkpatrick50 That’s because you have TDS.

[@rubyslippers9140]

Great podcast!

[@sansacro007]

As a fellow academic who resides half the year in NYC, I can clearly identify John as living in a liberal academic bubble. As a former Democrat and working class white kid who voted for Dems my whole life, that changed in the last few years for a host of reasons. I am voting for Trump this time and I make no apologies, although, contrary to John's and other media assessments, I will vote for him with reservations Yet I think the media's understanding of him is simplistic and reductive. And I find John's understanding of people like me, as a matter fact, equally or more simplistic than his assessment of Trump voters as such. The fact is that in NYC and among certain Academic and media elites, you simply cannot voice support for, like, or vote for Trump . It's like being gay or communist during the 1950s. Among John's circles--with the exception of Glenn--you must condemn Trump or else. . .

[@michaelparsons3007]

John’s TDS has made it very difficult to see outside his own frame. He can’t see that it takes intellectual work to conserve, in this instance, a nation, to be a conservative, to justify the very ground which you stand on. To use a term, wokism, leftism, has two things going for it, simplicity and novelty. It it’s back and criticizes what came before for all its sins offers something “new” and “sinless” to unsuspecting would be do-gooders. Why does leftism win so many “converts?” Precisely because it’s simple and novel. The real work is going through all that propaganda and coming out the other with the ability to justify what conservatives are trying to conserve. Now John will say that MAGA hasn’t done that but again, what is implicit in John’s thinking is that he doesn’t understand that within each faction there is a hierarchy of unthinking to thinking and that’s why mere intelligence doesn’t solve our problems. There’s more to goodness than intellect which I’m sure John would acknowledge but his thinking is too generalized and hence sloppy to maintain any real credibility.

[@k.s.nichols4060]

Precisely. The wokism is more simplistic than MAGA. It's a religion, complete with Original Sin and dogmas to chant...literally. Outsiders are shunned and demonized. Sure, some actual MAGA people are like that, too, but they don't control the institutions and media. Run afoul of the woke religion in any way and you're a "far-right extremist" and a flotilla of hit pieces are published. (All using the same terminology somehow...)

[@doomnotron]

Yup. The simplicity of MAGA is because it works. John also fails to acknowledge the simplicity of the far left. You think Obama was a terrible president, well you are racist etc...

[@sagebrushnv]

Ditto to you, you can’t see outside your frame. Using the term ‘leftism’ you demonstrate you don’t know how to think. You are unaware of your own hijacked brain. Check out Iain McGilchrist, try to learn.

[@capoman1]

Thankfully though red pilling is a one way ticket. Once you see that you've been propagandists and gaslit, basically once Drothy pulls the curtain back, you no longer trust the left and the media and become an independent free thinker.... Leftism is the junk food of politics. Conservatism is a well studied healthy diet. One of those is boring and one sexy.

[@Survivor-i9h]

I'm a white Southern born women, from christian family, and an Ohio cops blood cousin. I listen now everyday and am subscribed to your channel also.

[@janicecornett-dn9dq]

Glenn, like Thomas sowell I believe that you would accomplish much more if you didn't have a partner dragging you down and diluting your message.

[@ninadaly7639]

@@janicecornett-dn9dq Then he’d just be another useless MAGAT.

[@Tmanintn]

I have to give John credit for apologizing for his ill-timed comments, as the discourse between Glenn and John is where I normally turn to get a good view of both sides of the current political spectrum. It is imperative that this conversation never ends. That being said John continues grasping at straw men these days in order to maintain his anti-Trump leftist street cred, and its obvious to everyone. The idea that MAGA people are simple minded in their political outlook reeks of the elitism which John apparently doesn't realize he represents. His arguments have been less meritocratic lately, and this is disappointing because I always thought he was a no bullshit kind of liberal, not a blindly repeat leftist talking points kind of liberal.

[@SteeleHand]

John actually said to his children, 'That Trump person....' 😂😂 🤡

[@ninadaly7639]

@@SteeleHand I would have been nowhere near as polite!

[@Guy-d2e]

MAGA is SIMPLER. We want to go on living the world we were born in. The other side won't be content until we live in bizzaro world.