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[@hokk728]

16:50 "as a designer, you stay away from making your players do math on the fly" Linear Equation Cannon coming soon for evaluation

[@jamesaditya5254]

synchro is my least favorite extra deck summoning exactly because of grade school math requirement. I get that eventually you skip the math and just remember the combos but link and xyz are way easier to process. Pendulum is freaking algebra so let's not go over there

[@Bujinnovation]

This was my immediate thought so glad someone else commented this. Honestly was waiting for Cimo to pull it up mid video as a joke.

[@BassAndTrebleBR]

16:54 You HAVE to show him Linear Equation Cannon and Simultaneous Equation Cannons now

[@m-o-d-o]

Was thinking exactly the same thing.

[@brianhalligan9268]

My thoughts exactly.

[@megatenshi]

Synchros will always be my favorite extra deck mechanic. I love Fusion, XYZ and Links too, but Synchros are juat so satisfying. The white card frame also looks dope!

[@Byakurenfan]

How do you do that link thing?

[@rileyhamilton5023]

​@@Byakurenfan You use the thing to do the thing

[@prophetedubaroque5136]

You just need monsters on the field to do it. Just use as much monsters as the link monster you want to summon has arrows (also most link have some extra condition on the type of monster required). Send the monsters required to the graveyard and summon the link monster in an extra deck zone of your choice.

[@MagiaBased]

My fav is Fusion cause I don't wanna count lol

[@theradtoaster2257]

Personally Fusion will always be my favorite :)

[@adamtwarowski1053]

He's reached cards from the last 15 years, we're really cooking

[@anishadef821]

Most broken Yu-Gi-Oh cards: "Does it say it can't?"

[@Radman1889]

That's becoming his catchphrase for these vids

[@fritos1445]

@@Radman1889 It would annoy me hearing that lol

[@mauer1]

@@Radman1889 it already is.

[@thepieguyinthesky2363]

Holy shit his full name analogy on HOPT and SOPT were great, also I think a major reason as to why YuGiOh doesn't have very many excavate x and add 1 cards compared to magic is due to magic's resource system and 60 card decks clogging up the consistency of most of those cards

[@pinkfrappe_]

24:25 The big difference between the stack in Magic and chain links in Yu-Gi-Oh is what you can respond to. In Yu-Gi-Oh, effects can only be chained to the most recently activated effect, meaning you can perform chain blocks and protect important effects from being negated by activating lesser effects afterwards while you still have priority. In Magic, though, as long as the stack hasn't started resolving, anything still on the stack can be targeted. For example, say you play a spell that buffs your attacking creature, and that creature has an effect that says "Whenever you cast a spell, this creature gets stronger". In Yu-Gi-Oh, you'd only be able to respond to that creature's effect. But in Magic, even though that effect is what is allowing you to respond, you can still negate that spell's effect while it is still on the stack. If you do, the buff spell will fizzle but the creature will still buff itself with its own effect because that spell was still played.

[@Dragonfire-gq4qd]

there are some cards that technically can negate stuff from an earlier chain link, like called by the grave (Edit: I realised what you ment and you are correct, sry)

[@stevenashley27]

I also wanna piggy back and say in Magic, as long as it’s on the stack, you can still respond to it. Say you have a stack of 4 cards/effects, you can let the two most recent cards/effects resolve (4 and 3 for example for this), then add on to the stack again in response to the 2nd effect/card on the stack

[@faeb.9618]

it's probably because i only play ygo and not magic but that sounds like a nightmare to keep track of if the stack grows, does it ever get too complicated?

[@AnnihilatorDigimon]

Another thing of Note: In Yu gi oh, once the chain starts resolving, nothing new gets added until it's finished, hence missing the timing being a situation. In Magic, the stack resolves one by one and you can interrupt it with new effects once it's started resolving.

[@ttt3142]

@@faeb.9618 Yeah, it sometimes does. When it happens it is mostly caused by triggered abilities, which are more common in the modern designed cards than in the past.

[@tyfallon]

Psychic End Punisher literally reads like a custom card- it can boost its attack to 7000+, be unaffected by card effects, and can pop cards on the field, as a generic level 11 synchro. I'm surprised without playing the game that LSV could deduce that it didn't get banned. You've trained him too well 😅

[@BlackJustice2637]

I'm so happy the first synchro was Stardust Dragon. So iconic, love it

[@caesarsushi3238]

The Brionac errata is the one errata i actually agree with, being able to bounce your own stuff is a massive problem in Yugioh (see Zephyros) and should never be easy to access from the extra deck, making it an once per turn effect is also a fair nerf to the card IMO the fact that Brionac is able to bounce card-by-card was probably a design oversight and the idea was to bounce all the cards you needed to bounce all at once multiple times, being able to choose how many to discard/bounce is such a weird wording otherwise and the Brionac retrain specifically has this 1-for-1 effect

[@Kasaaz]

I don't think they disagree with you. They just felt like it would be better to ban Brionac and print a new card with those changes.

[@Arikel1349]

@LSVargas: For future Videos with such effects, keep in mind that Yugioh is the direct opposite of magic. In Magic you can use any Effect as an Instant if it doesn't say "use it as a sorcery." In Yugioh it's the opposite. Every effect is a sorcery if it doesn't say Quick effect (Instant).

[@laynereddick4475]

Quick note Yu-Gi-Oh' chain once it starts reaolving you cant interact with, but Magic's stack when any one thing on the stack resolves more things can be put on top of the start that has started resolving.

[@manhattanblockade8544]

Came here to say this 😊

[@laynereddick4475]

​@@manhattanblockade8544Glad I wasn't the only one to catch that because it matters a lot

[@MiyaoMeow588]

In regards to Coral Dragon, Ice Barrier of all decks uses it to great effect. Typically, you make this, and synch it with a bunch of tokens to make Ravenous Crocodragon. You draw 3 cards with the Crocodragon, and then draw another card with the Coral Dragon. This has the added benefit of chain blocking the Draw 3 (which makes it harder but not impossible to stop it)

[@sapphiredraggytheflygon8521]

I love that LSV read Chaos Ruler and thought it was BETTER than it actually was

[@laggalot1012]

Shoutout to the 5D's era of Yugioh video games, for being a great way to experience Synchro Summoning in Yugioh with a very low barrier to entry. In particular, the 2010 and 2011 Nintendo DS games ("Reverse of Arcadia" and "Over the Nexus" respectively) are games I have thoroughly enjoyed and put many, many hours into. You should show someone Bishbaalkin sometime. For funsies.

[@dudono1744]

Bothgames featured a Plant player that could whoop your ass in the early game.

[@bobM452]

16:39 linear equation cannon has entered the chat.

[@kingkronos7862]

Xyz will always be my favorite mechanic tbh

[@7thHourFilms]

Xyz Supremacy. Long live the Xyz Dimmension.

[@DuskoftheTwilight]

25:00 The important difference between the Chain in Yugioh vs. the Stack in Magic, is that in Magic, new actions can be added to the stack as the stack is in the middle of resolving, any new triggers go on the stack immediately and resolve before any older items on the stack. Versus in Yugioh, once the chain starts resolving, nothing can interrupt the chain, and any triggers will happen on a new chain after the current one resolves.

[@tyranitararmaldo]

It's card games on motercycles time!

[@Kasaaz]

The amount of State Tracking you have to do in Yugioh is wild... "If this Synchro Summoned card" or the way Monster Reborn interacts with Ritual Monsters etc. in the Graveyard, where you need to know the entire history of the card is so much to have to track.

[@firefliesowlcity12]

When you get to Pendulum, I would love your last card to be Supreme King Z-Arc.

[@isaaccheetham5081]

I think this is one of if not the best non-gameplay tcg video series ever. Insta-watch type content, can't get enough. Thanks Cimo and LSV!

[@sebastianl4135]

Some notes on Baronne: that “Once while face up” stipulation really matters. There are cards your opponent might play to counter your cards by flipping them face down (including a trap that does this for all your monsters, with some asterisks, but I don’t want to get bogged down on how that card specifically works since it requires an understanding of a summoning mechanic Cimo hasn’t shown yet), and if they do this but still don’t manage to fully out your Baronne, then a Baronne that used its negate already can be flipped face-up on your next turn with its negate fully restored so you can just do it again. Baronne is also still legal in Master Duel, and it is such a good and powerful generic Synchro monster that even in decks where Synchro-summoning is not the main thing I’m doing, I usually have Baronne and a very easy way to make Baronne as part of my setup combo because just starting the game off with an omni-negate and a must-answer card that can divert attention and resources away from the rest of my board is powerful. This was a really good walkthrough on Synchro summoning. I’m glad Cimo didn’t let LSV get too bogged down on how easy it is to summon a particular Synchro because if your deck is built correctly, any Synchro you choose to run is going to be easily summonable.

[@dramajoe]

As a long time MTG player who recently tried Yugioh because of videos like these and found it pretty fun despite the nonsense bullshit, these LSV videos are my jam. Keep up the great work and I can't wait for the next few summoning mechanics

[@NACBEAST]

13:20 Yeah, that would be insane, haha, could you imagine, a special-summonable monster that destroys all other things on the board and then still stays on board to be able to potentially attack, that'd be insane, hahaha haha... haaaa.

[@Fanofstuff]

2 things: The sneakiness of going from Edison’s synchros to modern day coral dragon was crazy, loved the scheme there lol Secondly, baronne was not just a strong card due to the value it generated, originally sure, but decks started having enough internal pluses that baronne was no longer an endboard card (as its main purpose), it was utilized as the notorious “5th summon” for plenty of decks essentially protecting your entire turn 1 from nibiru and other handtraps

[@SpecterVonBaren]

Hey Cimo, I have a question. Has ANY card that got erratad ever been good? It seems like the errata version is always bad except for a few rare cases where the card was still busted. You've never talked about an errata that made the card good but not busted. Are there any?

[@NovusIgnis]

Lava Golem comes to mind. It still saw some play after its errata, which made it so that you couldn't summon anything else on the turn that you summoned Lava Golem.

[@laggalot1012]

Typically, effect-changing errata are only applied to cards *because* they are broken. Cards basically never get buffed in this way. There are some fringe cases, though, such as ruling changes or situations where a card effect was unclear dur to dated card text. Here's a good example. "Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter" has a FLIP Effect that allows the player to (optionally) destroy a card on the field and mill 3 from own deck. Due to old card text being handled and interpreted differently over time and getting rewritten a few times, the way Ryko functions has changed a little. As I recall, this has lead to a couple of niche situations like Stardust Dragon being unable to activate in response to Ryko's effect when it originally could.

[@epicponedge1177]

A difference between Chain Links and the Stack is that a chain must fully resolve before any new effect can be activated where you can add cards to the Stack mis resolution.

[@Pooepw]

funny story about dark strike fighter. when there was still a local game store that did yugioh in my area, my cousin lost to dark strike fighter because his opponent said it did 2000 times the level making it an instantaneous otk.

[@playapiano666]

Was kind of hoping that we'd get to see LSV rate some of the wild Synchro enables that we've had historically, but this was well worth it to see LSV's, extremely accurate, ratings of Chaos Ruler, PEP, and Baronne. Here's hoping we get the final exam of all 9 Knightmare cards soon.

[@janisir4529]

Dark Strike fighter requires math? Linear equation cannon says hi.

[@ShinDB]

Looking forward to see him learn the basics on XYZ summoning, as that's the first extra deck mechanic that i learned when i first got into the game and still my favorite to this day. With the way the Overlay Units work and the idea of basically powering up your monster with a rank up spell and turning into a stronger version of itself.

[@lavashot449]

Trish was fucking insane. To quote "How to play Gemknights 101" "You got trish'd by gemknight, reconsider your life choices"

[@goodguygent3135]

Gotta say, LSV is my favorite in these videos. I play both mtg and yugioh and i love his explanations on why he gives his answers, very insightfull!

[@Awzn123]

4:22 do yall remember when people hated on synchros like they make no sense like dude tuner + no tuner = synchro level but we’re yugioh players we don’t read or do math 😂😂😂

[@theghostcreator776]

Xyz got the same treatment 💀 Like, combine these two+ cards for new card, use those cards as fuel for new card

[@laggalot1012]

Classic case of people resisting change. It was quite the transformation after so much time, so it's not that surprising.

[@RaineBans]

one thing they didnt mention during chaos ruler segment is that effects of that sort are esspecially broken in yugioh not only becus the card that gets you a card is free, not only is the cards you add to hand are free BUT the cards in the grave are also free. magic has grave effects too but those also have some sort of cost to play from grave. even if its as small as exiling other stuff from grave. that is still a cost

[@T_Peazy]

I'm a magic player. I played yu-gi-oh when Gemini elf reigned supreme and Lord of D. + flutes of summoning dragon was the best combo available. These videos give me life.

[@AdisTheYT]

💀

[@bradensmith8682]

I just started playing, and I love Synchro summoning. It seems the most new player friendly special summoning mechanic. Add the ability of some cards to modify levels, it feels like there's a lot of leeway. Especially with generic 1 Tuner plus 1 non-Tuner requirements.

[@adrianmoyrtos3474]

If i remember correctly, the only difference YGO chains have to magic's stacks is that chains do not give any player the opportunity to interact with them once they start resolving, while in magic you can add cards to the stack after a part of it resolves.

[@alkedias]

31:50 Trishula was played in another dedicated handloop deck after it was unbanned

[@sapphiredraggytheflygon8521]

Oh Chaos Ruler my beloved

[@GreycatRademenes]

I remember the short time pocket when Extra Deck had no limit yet and I've seen people bring like 50-80 card extra deck.

[@m-o-d-o]

Another good synchro to have shown him is Chaos Angel because of how easily it can be "cheated" out.

[@KartenonYT]

Oh boy do I remember Goyo Guardian.. I remember playing against other kids back in the day and they would use Goyo Guardian to put my monster on their field, and then when the game was over, they would sneakily shuffle the card they took with Goyo Guardian into their deck. So basically, there was a whole card trafficking problem that started with Goyo Guardian. 😭

[@GentleIceZ]

Also worth reminding/informing those who don't know that back in the day Konami refused to print 4 star tuners. So to get anything that was level 8+ was difficult to do and you needed some gimmick like Cyber Dragon + normal summon a level 3 tuner. The only level 4 tuners for a long while that were even remotely playable were Debris Dragon which could basically only be used for Stardust Dragon and Rose, Warrior of Revenge who had no restriction on her summoning but had an effect so useless she might as well have been a vanilla

[@daezondario]

Oh man I haven't heard the "fusion deck" in AGES!

[@jamesaditya5254]

Re: Coral Dragon despite being a very high value utility card, one thing that hopefully LSV picks up along the way is that 15 cards limit to the extra deck combined with the nature of Yugioh's eternal format means those slots are basically premium currency for deckbuilding.

[@grantplunkett8410]

First the fish learned to synchro, and now the magic players will!

[@PiePie453]

Oh no now Cimo will die cause he showed a monster past 2005

[@mauriceoliphant9546]

Coral dragon do have another flaw about it. It has the "when" clause which makes it easy to miss timing

[@SackofDooDoo]

27:00 As one who has played both MTG and Yugioh, I can easily see how LSV got this one wrong. With the fact that Yugioh's chain system works very differently than MTG's stack. Let's say your opponent has Formula Synchron and a Raiza, the Storm Monarch out. If you use, say, a Lightning Vortex, they can Synchro Summon into Star Dust Dragon; however, they won't be able to activate the Quick Effect before Lightning Vortex nukes it. In MTG, the stack works in such a way that before Vortex resolves, you would be able to synchro summon Star Dust Dragon, then before Lightning Vortex resolves, activate the ability to protect your board from its destruction effect. This makes the ability to synchro summon on opponent's turn sound stronger than it is to LSV, with his expert MTG experience and absence of Yugioh experience. In short: YUGIOH: chain 1 Lightning Vortex chain 2 synchro summon (reverse order) Stardust is summoned END opponent's face-up attack position monsters are destroyed (including Stardust) MTG: stack 1 Lightning Vortex stack 2 synchro summon (reverse order) Stardust is summoned stack 1 (still on the stack) stack 2 Stardust Dragon activates ability to counter a spell/ability to destroy permanents (Lightning Vortex) stack 1 Lightning Vortex no longer able to resolve, simply goes to the graveyard END opponent's board is unaffected by Lightning Vortex That's my TED talk.

[@PiePie453]

Combo boss monsters are more for Johnny's, please know your history Cimo, don't let that Alphainvestments pollutant cloud your mind

[@Fanofstuff]

Can’t wait for xyz’s, I wanna see reactions to abyss dweller, baguska, exciton, big eye and you HAVE to show him cowboy and tell him about when people would say “cowboy for game?” Without having it in their extra deck

[@jacobst-pierre2849]

At 19 minute LSV asks if you can tribute the dark strike fighter in response to it being attacked by an opponent monster. One thing that could be mentionned to help him understand our game is that everything is spell speed one unless stated otherwise in yugioh. It's actually the opposite in mtg where eveything is a quick effect unless stated otherwise

[@Fanofstuff]

After the guess on baronne de fleur, you should’ve shown him quasar to give him an idea of the power creep on an omni negate big synchro LOL

[@passtheyaoi]

i do think it's really funny how there's just three guys (maybe more) who are just stardust charge warrior (6 star synchro that draws you a card)

[@Agent_Chieftain]

Dammit. 30 minutes in and I got my first one wrong. I even guessed Formula Synchron being limited rather than just not banned. I knew Trishula's effect was strong, but I thought the 3 monster requirement was way too much for it to be banned.

[@MarcusManner]

i think you should show both of the magic players more of the math required cards eventually.

[@StrunDoNhor]

Synchro & Xyz were such perfect fits for Yu-Gi-Oh.

[@brycemiller831]

I think black rose was used in Tenpai recently because they can make their dragons unable to be responded to.

[@emred4653]

Didnt used junk synchron to teach him synchro summoning. sad :(

[@soasertsus]

I would love to see LSV play Edison or Goat format, too see how one of the Magic GOATs approach such a different game. I wonder if you guys could do some sort of collab where you teach him how to play?

[@585Evan]

We need to get these magic players into a Goat tournament. Would be a fun series and then do an Edison tournament, and keep going through each major format until in modern

[@Pistolsatsean]

The stack and chains differ not in ordering but in interruption. With a chain if a chain is set to resolve, the ENTIRE chain resolves, it cannot be interrupted, in order to interact with something in a chain you must add to the chain, this is important for the concept of chain blocking. With the stack things can be added to the stack mid resolution. If Formula Synchron were a card in MTG you could activate FS's quick effect in response to your opponents action, synchro into a monster with a negate/counter and negate/counter the effect on the stack that your opponent initally added to the stack, you cannot do this in Yugioh.

[@TheGuyWhoIsSitting]

Agree on the erratum issue. They should have left Sangan alone and made a new card “Critter” (the Japanese name, maybe go full Kuritta-/Kuritter) and name it Sangan in Japanese and give them the current effect. Same with Witch of the Black Forest. Not sure how to create the current version with a fun name like that.

[@brianproctor7707]

Man i have to get into edison, quick draw dandy plants was my jam when glads became unplayable

[@RandallHidalgoS21allas96]

Ngl, quasar should be in this one. Not just as a mention.

[@mimik2098]

Errata'd dark strike can still FTK with F.A dawn dragster, super heavy samurai after the "recent" support was capable of doing it

[@ego2133]

I do wish he showed him at least one Accel Synchro monster, it could've been fun.

[@damianschell1883]

Trish is the epitome of synchro summoning.

[@tomsimpkins1211]

I love Librarian and Formula synchron. Give me back Needlefiber and I can make Quasar off of one Red Resonator normal summon.

[@definitelynotmany4972]

You should show him Ritual Monsters; we skipped that summoning condition.

[@bp-1862]

Nooo you can't activate Chaos Ruler's effect again when you resurrect him

[@dirtydiesel1149]

I know it's not a synchro, but I would love to see somebody's reaction to Enlightenment Dragon

[@bl00by_]

Funny enough Dark Strike Fighter can still FTK. There's a combo with Galaxy Queens Light, Auroradon and a MPB which lets you FTK. One Wakaushi = FTK

[@brolteon2740]

LMAO LSVargas describing hard once per turns as "when your parents call you by your full name" has to be the funniest and most accurate way to differentiate hard and soft once per turns 😭

[@Dragonfire-gq4qd]

Small thing. Chaos Ruler can't use the excavate effect multiple times, even if it resurrects itself. It isn't THAT broken.

[@PotatoSofi]

He'll love XYZ from the looks of this... He might go crazy with pendulum tho.

[@bryantbravo9363]

Once per turn and enter the battlefield are equivalent in my eyes

[@damianschell1883]

Get another Pokémon player on! Get Azul again. I love these videos.

[@jmurray1110]

You know what might be fun Find a magic zombie player and show them yugioh zombies (got to add spirit if the pharaoh in there as the trick) Sounds like it would be cool comparing how the concept concerts between games

[@FruitMonstersTCG]

Stardust Dragon the GOAT

[@X_Potato]

16:30 Would have liked to see his face if you pulled up Liner / Simultaneous Equation cannon.

[@Grimjr7]

Yu-Gi-Oh maybe hot take. All extra deck summoning mechanics other than pendulum are just contact fusion with extra steps. Utopia as a fusion summon would be banish two face up level 4 monsters you control face down. Utopia gets a counter for each monster banished by this effect. When an attack is declared, you can remove a counter from Utopia and send one of the fusion materials used for Utopia from your banishment to your graveyard. Negate the attack. And this works for synchro summoning as well. Obviously the fusion material has to specify that when the fuse materials has to be a tuner and a non-tuner and the levels of the two fusion material have to equal It's level and that they have to be face up on the field. The band is annoying about. This is if you really think about it. They didn't really make new summoning mechanics. They just took contact fusing added extra restrictions to what you could contact fuse and then added an extra gimmick onto that based on the summoning mechanic. And links are the literally the closest thing to contact fusion other than contact fusion.😂 Basically what they did was they took contact fusion, added restrictions to it and then gave it its own name.

[@pixelbomb97]

Trish! My beloved!

[@justinrockholt7055]

I would have shown him Quasar, just to see his reaction and how far he got before saying it was banned

[@MrSimpsondennis]

17:00 next time, show him Linear Equation Canon (or Calibrator or Calculator or Accumulator)

[@Sans01hp]

oh yes... that thumbnail... i'm hyped

[@menekenkack]

17:57 clearly Alex doesn't watch Table 500 or he would have known of the recurring threat that is "DSF F.A. FTK"

[@brianluyckx4221]

Syncro best game play ever

[@janisir4529]

I would love to see someone try to figure out Shooting Quasar Dragon.

[@mincinmind9440]

Everything LSV saying about Formula Synchron making me think about I:P….

[@bradkohl99]

Fusions made sense to me, but I got lost after XYZ monsters.

[@XtraLargerock15]

If all of these cards are just "tuner + non-tuner" then Eddison format must be just funny math games with your big synchro toolbox and a bunch of different level combo pieces

[@YukiFubuki.]

thats sorta how it is, people do like it but ultimately its apparently a bit of a slug fest if not 1 person snowballing to victory would note that for synchro’s early lifespan lvl 4 tuners were either rare, had bad effects so functionally were just lvl 4 vanilla if they werent tuners or were simply hard to get immediate access to so lvl 8 synchros (and higher) where the real powerhouses were were largely inaccessible without resorting to using at least 3 monsters or synchro climbing using a synchro monster as non-tuner material for a synchro summon and that the last 5 synchro monster shown didnt exist in edison format

[@iowa89357]

I definitely know that trishula was banned in the past. I traded a decent stack (~100-150) of lesser cards to get a copy of trishula, and within a week, news came out it would be banned in another week or so

[@DeviousHands]

i remember its price constantly shifting, because it's DEFINITELY getting unbanned this time, and DEFINITELY getting unbanned next, and... by the time it came back it did nothing :c

[@tyr_4941]

LSV NEEDS to see Linear Equation Cannon

[@jesse8442]

Shoulda shown him brio-formula-librarian-quasar!

[@ivanbird372]

You should tell LSV when each card was printed else it can be quite confusing

[@Zombiekilleryamato]

Play along 1. Stardust dragon No Answer right 2. Goyo Guardian Yes Answer right 3. Black rose dragon No Answer right 4. Dark strike fighter No Answer wrong 5. Brionac dragon of the ice barrier Yes Answer right 6. Formula synchron No Answer right 7. Trisula dragon of the ice barrier Yes Answer right 8. T.G hyper librarian Yes Answer wrong 9. Coral dragon No Answer right 10. Chaos ruler the chaotic magical dragon No Answer wrong 11. Ruddy rose dragon No Answer right 12. Psychic end punisher No Answer right 13. Baronne de fleur Yes Answer right

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Synchros are so pretty