Magic TV Top 8 of the Week: Cards We Wish Were Never Printed

[@trimmzy5485]

Who else watched this when it came out and stumbled upon it years later? I miss these old MTVs.

[@Brawler_1337]

I find it funny that you could easily make another two, maybe three of these lists just using cards printed in the last year and a half.

[@zazagotmefeelinpeculiar]

snapcaster mage @ 17.50, liliana @ 15.00... someone get me a time machine

[@mieblock4856]

ben fleck if you find that time machine you wanna run me a play set if each? Thanks buddy.

[@nyx1083]

"Karn, Liberated: 8$" me too thanks

[@gnutscha]

oh yeah the first thing that comes to my mind when i obtain a time machine is earning 50 bucks on a piece of cardboard.

[@adavidavis2762]

@@gnutscha Not really the point of the comment tho lol.

[@capcomkid22]

Lemme tell you about true duels in 95.

[@McMacMastaMan]

About the invisible stalker: he is cleary undressing while he is engaging into a camp or something, so he is aware that he is seeable with that silly hat

[@lostalone9320]

No, whatever he is doing, he is getting naked first, and we are forced to assume something sexy will occur.

[@Witchsnitch666]

just seeing liliana and snapcaster mage at such prices is insane xD

[@mrtalos]

Karn liberated $8 as a perfect example.

[@47Mortuus]

Another ten years and you'll finally realize that prices for cards that go above one Dollar are _literally_ insane.

[@ZalvionProductions]

that's not how this works

[@osriccauldwyn]

Still true now lol

[@julien00015]

Now either.... Snapcaster at $80 and Liliana at $110

[@alecbader7433]

Boy, do we need an update on this in 2021

[@mityaoreh]

oko be like “hey guys, i’m number 1 here”

[@inaudibleThrash]

To all of the people saying Jace mind sculptor should be number 1, or on this list at all, just remember that he is A LOT easier to deal with than an invisible stalker. A simple oblivion ring, lightning bolt, pithing needle, ratchet bomb will destroy or completely shut jace down. You can't do any of that, (except the ratchet bomb obviously) to an invisible stalker. THe fact its unblockable means you can pump the shit out of it without any worries, and it's human, so gets a shit tonn of bonuses from enchantments, other creatures and artifacts. Much harder to deal, and in a lot of cases, you just can't deal with it. Not every deck has a board wipe or a bonfire of the damned.

[@firedrake110]

Jace in the Alara/Zendikar standard had something like 5 commonly-played answers to him, which weren't used exclusively as answers to him (maelstrom pulse, oblivion ring, pithing needle, other Jaces, the bloodbraid/blightning combo, etc...), he wasn't a menace when the format readily provided answers.

[@inaudibleThrash]

firedrake110 Was still banned form Standard though XD

[@firedrake110]

When every answer rotated out at once, bad things happened

[@Zenrei03]

Jace dominated a format for a long time and that's why people wanted it on the list. Granted, some of the cards they mentioned are still frustrating to play against in any format, but Jace deserves an honorable mention for its role in almost killing Zendikar-Scars of Mirrodin Standard and basically making many tournaments have a $400-600 fee (the cost of 4 copies).

[@jacksonain9778]

it seems like i got trolled by invisible stalker so many times :(

[@Panquernic]

The invisible stalker is removing his clothes in the picture

[@TorqueBacklash]

I loved invisible stalker in my dimir deck during standard. Fog bank for defense and cyphers on stalker.

[@nroland99]

innistrad> theros everytime.

[@singami465]

Outside of transformations, because fuck being "officially" forced to use proxies.

[@nroland99]

Yagi agreed....then again, most players play sleeved anyways, so

[@singami465]

Carnassious Yes, if the sleeves are completely black or with artwork (and the latter are prone to damage) and even then you might sometimes see the back. It's way safer to use proxies and if you have to use proxies for a mechanics to work, you know you did something wrong.

[@leetwizard7029]

Yagi Or, you could use those checklist cards that have the regular back, but the front has a spot to check off the card it is.

[@singami465]

Leet Wizard Which are proxies.

[@agirotto1]

And, well, Isochron Scepter was also very frustrating to play against.

[@anamethename3327]

$8 for karn... damn I wish I was back in 2012

[@patbateman69420]

I remember when I was first starting to deck build I was going to buy a couple of Karn for 12$ a piece but thought it was too expensive. If only I had known.

[@downsjmmyjones101]

Modern might have only just been created and people were doing far more busted things than T3 Karn back during New Phyrexia.

[@downsjmmyjones101]

@ThisIsMyRealName T3 Karn ain't busted. Also, Karn would most likely have been ~$16 so still cheap.

[@Colest503]

Bridge from Below and Jace the Mindsculptor aren't on the list? How?

[@juanchaguaceda7774]

I want to go back in time and show them True-name Nemesis, see what they think...

[@modernminded5466]

Juan Chaguaceda What's wrong with True-name Nemisis?

[@juanchaguaceda7774]

It's just hilariously more powerful than the card they mention, the unblockable hexproof 1/1

[@modernminded5466]

Juan Chaguaceda Invisible stalker was standard and modern legal, and only on this list because it was annoying, not broken. Nemisis is a legacy card, and not a very played one, though merfolk usually runs 1-2

[@derfelalternate4857]

Juan Chaguaceda Did you play standard when this was around? Asking because nothing hurt more than your opponent playing the Stalker turn 2. You can't kill it except for mass removal, it is simply impossible. Also, when this and ethereal armor were both legal, it was nuts. True-name nemesis only saw a widespread play for a month or two.

[@ZakanaHachihaCBC]

Taste of blood got rid of Stalker. There tended to be only the one on board anyway.

[@desertbackpack5410]

I got incredibly exited when I saw the Liliana of the Veil prices at $15.00 on the bottom of the screen... Then I looked at the date. How depressing.

[@weihoozie]

I didn't think about invisible stalker that way before but now that you guys mentioned it makes a lot of sense. If they don't draw the runechanter's pike he's just a crappy 1/1 creature, but if they do you die in two-three turns.

[@xx415pato7xx456]

I got a question: Whenever the opponent uses an ability can I use counter spell to target it or does it only work exclusively when they summon it? Do regenerated creatures have summoning sickness?

[@josiahclarke3535]

I miss these videos! I hope LSV comes back for commentary since the PT is returning. :D

[@magicmitch5000]

I'd love to see TSG and LSV again. The dynamic they had was way better than tashi + anybody else.

[@magicmitch5000]

@Lamp Boi I was around the whole time that was a thing. He was selling eldrazi on ebay and they caught him by ordering stuff from him and comparing it against CFBs inventory. Idk what TSG was thinking.

[@nephiduff2856]

1. Tolarian Academy 2. Mental Misstep 3. Umezawa's Jitte 4. Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero 5. Skullclamp 6. Seat of the Synod (Artifact Lands) 7. Bloodbraid Elf 8. Invisible Stalker Honorable Mention: Sensei's Divining Top

[@Mystic1011]

Why do I see Gravecrawler at 0:00? Is this a sign? Honorable mention?

[@education5393]

@LSV would you suggest the art of invisible stalker should be a picture of a wall?

[@Intracis]

The ripple of a footstep in a puddle of water would be better

[@Rebazar]

Invisible Stalker should have had Shroud instead of Hexproof imo

[@modernminded5466]

Then it would have sucked

[@brianmerion]

I agree, it would give it more flavor as well.

[@Adrelinen]

Mos Maskinen Bad cards are better than broken ones, especially broken ones that are pretty much completely uniteractable

[@OzrithClay]

I miss Invisible Stalker with cypher in standard. It wasn't great but everyone hated me for it. My opponent: "I'll O-ring your Stolen Identity" Me: "You can't, It's not an enchantment. it's on the creature itself" My opponent: "..." Me: "ATTACK OF THE CLONES!!!"

[@Ohushi]

Rebazar true name nemesis

[@SpiderWaffle]

Isn't imperial armor the best card ever for limited since it was common?

[@Noone-of-your-Business]

Seems interesting, but then I can't really tell, because I have not studied tournament strategies for ages. I play my friends regularly, but I can't follow most of this. It wouldn't take much to briefly explain the combos (and showing them on-screen) you are referring to instead of just abbreviating them.

[@greenghost2008]

I made a deck based around Invisible Stalker. The idea is to put auras on it. Boost it's power and give it lifelink and the game is yours.

[@viscious85]

+greenghost2008 Interesting! And how was that? did you tested it? did it fare well?

[@кяуртіс]

+greenghost2008 That's what I done with blighted stalker lol.

[@greenghost2008]

Basically the moment invisible stalker gets lifelink it is an autowin. Several times the other player will concede the moment they found out it has lifelink.

[@Higley1234]

Make another video with an updated list, please

[@Vitomazzarino]

What a difference 8 years can make.

[@Higley1234]

@@Vitomazzarino I bet half will be from 2019

[@TheCleanwood]

Geist of Saint Traft wasn't an issue in limited, as opposed to Invisible Stalker.

[@Wittastical]

True-Name Nemesis seems like a major mistake to me. "How can we make a balanced version of Invisible Stalker?" - "Make it cost an extra blue?" "WOAH... Balanced, not NERFED." - "Add two power?" "No... needs more..." - "Make it a Merfolk?" "Great! It'll be perfect for Legacy and Vintage! Still needs more..." - "More than hexproof and can't be blocked?" "Yes." - "Protection from a player?" "Perfect! It'll be balanced because it would be bad in multiplayer!" - "But it's going to..." "PRINT IT!" - "Ev..." "PRINT IT NOW!"

[@embarkingolive]

dies to pyroclasm and similar effects. Easily blocked. Not unbalanced. Not even very good.

[@ja14732]

embarkingolive doesn't die to pyroclasm-protection from a source reduces all damage from that source to 0. However, a WoG-style effect would effect it. But I agree- it really sucks for all its hype. On the other hand, Toxic Deluge is a card I definitely agree is really quite underrated, as IMO it is the best kill spell. Pay 15 life and unequivocally kill every EDH-legal creature in the game for 3, barring counterspells.

[@Skullkilling]

embarkingolive you're either trolling or misinformed. true-name nemesis is unblockable

[@ultraviolentkingofthedeath4817]

Katie N Mick Witt it was printed in a commander product in multiplayer commander its not that strong but in 1v1 formats its busted

[@Brawler_1337]

Save Mean That's my main problem with TNN. If it was meant to be a multiplayer EDH experiment, why is it on such a cheap and fragile body? It would be leagues more appropriate for EDH if it were, like, a 6 mana 5/5 Sphinx. That way, it isn't a complete joke against the players who aren't named by it. But it's not; it was deliberately pushed for Legacy, and in such a way that makes it completely laughable in multiplayer formats. It was a multiplayer experiment that was deliberately botched to push it in 1v1, where it is not fun in the slightest to play against.

[@mtgboosteropenings7533]

snapcaster and liliana can I buy for less than 20 now pls

[@anthonybrown968]

I wonder how different this list would look now in 2020

[@ChannelFireball]

Easy Uro at #1.

[@кяуртіс]

Stalker may be annoying during phyrexia I think Blighted Agent trumps it. Unblockable plus poison, by 5th turn I usually had mine boosted to +3 to +5 and that is already when they had 2/3 poisons on them.

[@TorqueBacklash]

+Paul it was basicly a core part of my dimir deck in standard. Perfect candidate for ciphers. fog bank for creature defense. The only thing that prevented Stalker from being a monster in the any format is board clear. supreme verdict or black sun zenith, so many saw play.

[@glitenin]

It's mainly from in-practise myself. Usually I had a couple Belerens in my sideboard in case I played against someone with Mind Sculptor, though. I've always won with Mind Sculptor out, though. (Usually had a card that said I had to skip my draw phase and could only draw only when I played a spell.) That and in one of my own decks, I know how to deck someone in one turn. If I used Mind Sculptor in it instead of Beleren, it wouldn't have worked. At all.

[@sbcguitarist]

Stalker was never by himself. It was always Stalker, equip Sword of War and Peace, hit you for 9 and I gain 4.

[@PaulGaither]

The story I Heard was Skull Clamp was supposed to be +1/+1 but they thought that would be too good and wanted to "balance" it and make it +1/-1. They were also new to this whole equipment design.

[@naphackDT]

Changing it to +1/-1 went horribly right... Really, there was not a single "nerf", which could have broken it more than that -1.

[@asherq8646]

naphackDT lol, put it on a 1/1 for two cards....... ridiculous........ luckily I wasn't in standard to see that bloodbath...

[@xway2]

@xx415pato7xx456 Some counterspells say that you can target an ability, but if it only says "Counter target spell" or something similar, then you can only counter a creature the moment it is summoned (or, of course, any other spell). Regeneration does not couse summoning sickness, because what it does is that it removes the damage and then taps the creature. It doesn't go to the graveyard and then come back, which also means it keeps all counters and/or auras/equipments on it.

[@winnkey]

i would like an update to this list.

[@DarkCT]

>.>. As a dredge player (who never got to see those days) id have put one of the old dredge cards on that list- Even though i get the feeling they will NEVER give us that mechanic again. what about mind sculptor, the blades of New Phyrexia?, heck, Necropotence? Although i get chuckles sometimes when i play an innistrad era card at my friend who came back during RTR. he hates nearly all of them.

[@iaiceikiingi47i]

How did Golgari Grave Troll and the entire Dredge mechanic not make this list?

[@testthewest123]

If invisible stalker is bad, what is Geist of Saint Traft then..?

[@redaelb44]

Hey, go to 0:00 and look in the bottom right corner, is that grave crawler?

[@zaczacahu7781]

no winter orb?

[@456Tal]

How did you search these 8 out? There are so many cards which are worse!

[@Spaccaspecchi]

This list would be a wild ride today.

[@kanokarob]

Can I say the Infect rules card? Does that count?

[@koyoyoyo1170]

What do yo think would have happened if thoughtseize cost 1 Black Phyrexian mana?

[@Gavolak]

Not a ton, tbh. It's still a sorcery, and the most damage you'll do is maybe getting two cards out of your opponents hand on turn one. If you're lucky, you could get rid of 5 of their cards, but keep in mind, it'll cost 4 life every time you cast a Thoughtseize for 0, and JUND already brings itself down to 17 on turn 1(usually), and going to 13 first turn isn't really worth the extra card.

[@brandonhall7939]

remember Jitte was so popular that all RATS NEST decks were busted open just for that card. deck could be bought for $12. card only was worth $15 before going up.

[@jamesa.fitzpatrick1566]

OMG everyone I knew left Magic during Skullclamp and Affinity. It sucked. PS The Invisible Stalker is in the middle of undressing.

[@Sweetestsadist]

I totally would've put the Divining Top at #1. That card was my first thought when I saw this title.

[@fireemblemistrash75]

What, no Storm Crow? That shit is OP asf in drafts.

[@aitelevisionpresents]

Why is there a flying Gravecrawler at 0:00? Is this some sort of subliminal message?

[@lobbiester]

I loved playing my Blue/white Invisible stalker, puresteel paladin deck, using all the swords x 4 .. maybe not the most effective but so much fun!

[@TheOvermaster]

I actually liked Skullclamp era affinity because it was slightly slower than post ban affinity (and cranial plating) - my Mind's Desire Deck could actually compete. Not after the Plating however.

[@ultraviolentkingofthedeath4817]

Watching this in 2015 if they made this top 8 now. Wonder , if treasure cruise would be on it? My vote days yes

[@008TheDen]

This is such an early cycle that they have learned from, but the alpha dual Lands are stupid good. Especially them being searchable makes them just the best Lands period.

[@nomukun1138]

Invisible Stalker just bugs the hell out of me... because the rain is going right through him.

[@ThyReaperGrim]

Now you could do a top 8 cards we still wonder why they where printed. (for example, Aysen Highway)

[@DaDunge]

Actually huge mana wasn't always broken because back in the days if mana burn you had to be careful or you'd fry yourself doing that stuff.

[@titoburrito2236]

I feel like LSV's opinion on Tolarian Academy has changed slightly

[@BigBoatDeluxe]

I always think TSG looks like Glenn Shadix, who played Otho in Beetlejuice.

[@bradleylovej]

Yessss

[@BrendanJourney]

I agree with LSV about Top. You shouldn't be allowed to play with it if you're slow. But since I play at an adequate or better pace, I should be allowed to play with it.

[@TheGyldenlove]

Necropotence should have been on this list, it ruined an entire season of type 2.

[@DarkTider]

these poor sods not knowing that pack rat was coming....

[@TheEpicProgram]

So, I've only watched this video on the Top 8 lists so far and seen the playlist, but is the guy on the left just a MASSIVE hockey fan? I mean, just going from the amount of shirts I've seen, from Dallas to Chicago to Boston to Toronto to Ottawa and they're just the things I've gotten from the thumbnails I've seen.

[@dtheif2]

+TheEpicProgram Yeah he is. He also stole inventory from Channelfireball.com and was fired. :p

[@TheEpicProgram]

+Daniel Cabaniss Wow, seriously? That seems more than a little dumb :P.

[@dtheif2]

TheEpicProgram www.channelfireball.com/home/announcement-regarding-tristan-shaun-gregson/

[@TheEpicProgram]

+Daniel Cabaniss So he's not the smartest, then. Surprised he's working with somebody else in the industry after pulling something like that. So he any good? Worth listening to or should I ignore him? :P.

[@kobisjeruk]

obviously you didnt play ursa's block when it was legal. biggest problem is that there arent any 'free' green creature that can lead to a turn one kill like time spiral

[@swampwitch6133]

How broken tolerian academy + 6 1 cost artifacts + mirror universe, activate = opponent screwed unless he has shatter disenchant or something simuliar in his hand at the time.

[@greenghost2008]

They should rename this "8 cards you need a play set off now"

[@anstytroll11]

pretty much lol

[@GenzaiDandy]

That's on the top 8 list of cards we wish WOULD be printed and then actually got printed. Starring Patrick Chapin.

[@Finngrinder]

Yawgmoth's Will not even mentioned?

[@ThatOneGuyBen]

Also Legendary. You can only have one on your side of the field, as opposed to Invisible Stalker which you can have four of. Why you would NEED 4 on the field...Well.

[@fehoobar]

WTF algorithm? Great vid, too bad things turned out the way they did with TSG, he was clearly the best foil for LSV in these vids.

[@lamontduran9915]

What about Golgari Grave-Troll... I have it and my girlfriend hates this card when I draw and play it lol

[@williams642009]

Why not tinker?

[@cl4ymore123]

why the hell is invisible stalker in a list with mental misstep, bloodbraid elf and tolarian academy? i dont get it..

[@iamlucaschilds]

Man mirrodin was such a fun mess all around. All the bloody eternal witness decks that cropped up after affinity and KCI left the format. It's fun trying to deal with infinite tooth and nails and rude awakenings.

[@morticianjohn]

I also like bloodbraid elf and I don't think either of the top 2 is nearly as unfair as they're making it out to be. This list is a little more subjective though and so it's easy to see why personal bias plays more heavily here. He probably just played against those two cards a lot recently.

[@residentzombie]

Vexing Devil is a 4 damage to target player for 1 mana burn spell. The most you can have is 4. 4 x 4 = 16 and is still not enough to kill your opponent. He is not broken. Good for RDW but not broken. Odds are you will only get 1 or 2 devils in a game anyway.

[@felixsulla5556]

Creatures are "easier to remove" or get removed from play more often. In addition artifacts can come very cheap and very efficient for the casting cost. Also, creatures cannot be artifacts but artifacts can be creatures. If that makes sense to you ;)

[@alesandroaaa]

3:09 where did they find an uncommon BOK jitte lol

[@josephstanifer1776]

It’s weird that LSV looks younger in 2020 then in this vid. The beard helped alot

[@tgmrsunshine]

How is Jace the mindsculptor not on this list?

[@Pillow676]

Do the flavor draft review

[@MrFreak0r]

top 8 flavor texts would be awesome. ""i have no master. i am chaos!" - maraxus of keld

[@alexhayden507]

Man, the LSV glowup is so real lmao

[@OscarBSilao]

what happend to that guy tristan he doesnt make anymore videos ?

[@sbcguitarist]

You've made this comment more than a year after this video was made. At the time, Invisible Stalker auto won almost every limited tournament, and it was brutal in MageBlade decks, when they were running Stalker, Geist, and Swords.

[@gedwashere91]

Invisible Stalker gets a whole lot less annoying with boss Miracle sweepers like Bonfire of the Damned.

[@flameingneji]

Why is tolarean acadamey on this list but not cradle

[@wookiewasabi5194]

Lol, this list but made in 2021... can we expand this list to twenty?

[@wookiewasabi5194]

Idk, maybe oko, he was OK, maybe narset, she can make a few games feelbads. Its hard, wizards just did SO good recently

[@canman87]

@Nimbleroo Library of Alexandria. Pretty much autowin if they can't remove it.

[@JessicaZane4realz]

But having these cards printed made things a lot more fun today.

[@saltedllama2759]

Jessica Zane No, no they didn't. They were mistakes, under-tested, and everyone hated playing against them.

[@JessicaZane4realz]

Jason Colbeck The only people that hated and hate playing against them are unskilled or poor sore losers.

[@ReadySetPrepper]

Jessica Zane there is a reason they are here, I used to love abusing inviso stalker. They really did set into the meta and ruin what is supposta be a diverse game.

[@anstytroll11]

+Jessica Zane but theres nothing skillful about these cards lol...they r just broken lol dont get me wrong i love the broken cards thats why i like vintage and legacy... but that doesnt mean it takes skill to use them

[@JessicaZane4realz]

Andrew Fackenthall Play a Vintage game and you'll see what skill is. You don't win on turn 1. See how a Doomsday deck works or an Oath deck. Vintage against Vintage is skill.

[@tachyonzx7082]

I swear Lin-Sivvi is on every top 8 list.

[@Eggyyolks]

@buckeyeboi42 i'd actually like to see top 8 cards that should have cost one less mana more!

[@nallenthepuh]

wishing for new episodes

[@aidanmcmanus7478]

I thought invisible stalker would be delver of secrets.

[@dustinseth1]

I so agree on invisible stalker. Its either worthless or a free win. It should have had shroud and not hexproof.

[@mosspage9360]

What about oko? I cant believe you left this off... I mean come on no veil of Summer

[@Monki_29]

bruh seriously? lmao

[@mosspage9360]

@@Monki_29 they didn't even mention companion

[@Monki_29]

@@mosspage9360 it's from 2012 you numptie

[@mosspage9360]

@@Monki_29 now I dont mind playing against it but 3feri is abit of a mistake

[@Dyllrboy]

Seeing Liliana at $15 nowadays puts a tear in my eye

[@LiBrizziTV]

I drafted innistrad yesterday and destroyed someone with turn 2 stalker , turn 3 and 4 double spectral flight.... my opponent wanted to rip his hair out