Magnus Rates The World Chess Champion Ding Liren

[@Somane27]

Chess FIFA cards before GTA6.

[@Bruno-ry3pg]

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[@lastorderx20001]

FIDE cards would suit better

[@MidgarHeretic]

I would actually collect those

[@kaustubhgarg9662]

Magnus card too op

[@iamsad6366]

@@lastorderx20001 FIDE 24

[@liamf-2255]

If Ding is 4/10 at middlegames that makes me close to -300

[@happy_labs]

It's like FIFA player cards, the stats are scaled for Pro level players, everyone below the top is basically 0s across the board

[@liamf-2255]

​@@happy_labsI'm definitely not a 0 if Ding is a 4. 😊

[@danieldbdb]

But you are irrelevant, so who cares?

[@liamf-2255]

@@danieldbdb And yet you took time out of your day to reply to my comment. Beat it plum sucker.

[@liamf-2255]

@@danieldbdb Obviously you do. Beat it nerd.

[@FellowHuman18]

This is a scale for 2800s, FYI.

[@tradtrad1000]

Imagine being Ding watching this

[@Deciverse]

Literally everyone constantly reminding you that you’re not that good anymore in all of the most unintentionally belittling ways possible. I don’t think it’s anyone’s fault for feeling a way about Ding’s recent performance and bringing it up, but from the perspective of Ding who already is struggling with mental health, pressure and confidence issues it must be a stranglehold on him. Even if Ding doesn’t find his old form in the match I really hope he can just find peace in the chess itself, focus on playing good games and fighting his hardest - and his emotional state will be noticeable in the games too if he doesn’t. If he can do that, even if he doesn’t win, I’ll be happy

[@adn267]

Magnus psychologically warfare

[@tradtrad1000]

@@adn267 But Magnus is not even the one playing for the world chess championship. I don't get why of all the players they were going to start this series with, to pick Ding, who they've also literally just released a video of him talking about this struggles on the same channel. Seems very unclassy given the context.

[@ItachiUchiha-mh8hn]

@@tradtrad1000Gotta take all the smoke when you are defending a world championship. Besides Magnus is the only person who's alive rn that can give the most logical opinion on any top player. The only person apart from Faker in League that I can think of having such a dominance in their respective sport. Not to mention how he said Ding is better at calculation than himself and following it by what he should do to back his strength up. If anything this should help Ding get back to form.

[@mooniex825]

​@@ItachiUchiha-mh8hn Well said, Itachi (my goat)

[@nuky_999]

I would like to see this about Hikaru, Gukesh, Firouzja and Caruana

[@Kriv-kj6lk]

Agreed

[@Ploeppsel]

Gukesh is coming

[@thesubhumancomedy]

@@Kriv-kj6lk I know Gukesh is the future

[@SharatS]

Also, Magnus should rate himself, so we get a good baseline.

[@theory813]

I'd like to see all of the top 20 rating each other.

[@palmtreegal3]

I want to see magnus rate everyone

[@robdavenport6142]

I love that he just gives his straight answer to a straight question. No malice, no arrogance, just honest

[@osi1432]

"no arrogance" is crazy

[@SlowpokeSlowbro2]

@@osi1432to be fair he is the best chess player in that world, so technically while he obviously think hes superior, in this case its cause its kinda true. And its not like hes not being an ass here, just honest

[@BattleheartDLS]

imagine how Magnus rates us mortals A world champion with 3.5/10 tactics, 4/10 endgame...dude is savage and that also shows Magnus thinks he's way superior than Ding. If Wei Yi, Nepo, or any other else rate Ding, they would, I think, give 6 or 7 as the lowest in any attribute for Ding.

[@ex0duzz]

He's comparing ding vs his best. Right now Ding is obviously not at his best so it. Can also mean that Magnus just rates Ding very highly when he's playing normally but because of his slump hes maybe giving half of what he would normally give so that can be Magnus saying he's not even playing half as good as he normally would be.

[@DawnLander789]

@@ex0duzzExactly

[@alanklm]

this video is kinda pointless without similar videos on other players. agree.

[@Ploeppsel]

Most of US will be in the 0.01 points category. Maybe less xDD

[@EliteCubingAlliance]

I mean Ding did blunder an easy mate in 2 against Magnus that I'm sure even some of us would see in an instant. Currently Ding is not in top form. Peak Ding was probably 9/10 in tactics though

[@TheFitsome]

I hope he shocks everyone

[@daemonsoadfan]

yeah imagine like he wins every single game against Gukesh, it would be amazing xD

[@betarubber9546]

​@@daemonsoadfanlol thats not happening

[@daemonsoadfan]

@@betarubber9546 yeah sure but imagine :D

[@peachy6009]

​@@betarubber9546 shoo poo in the loo

[@studdpuppy85]

Yeah won’t happen. You don’t fix a broken man that quick. And Gukesh is mentally ready to destroy him.

[@sullystpatrick]

This man just ethered ding & wasn’t even trying to be rude

[@David_Addison]

Ethered 🤣

[@ChessUnderFireLearningJourney]

"Ding calculates better than me, but I'm better at tactics"...

[@Phurngirathaana]

Yup a lot of noobs tend to think calculation=tactics

[@crbgaming6683]

​@@Phurngirathaanatactics is intuition also because u need to recognize patterns which magnus does

[@ImroseChess]

@@crbgaming6683 No Tactics is the ability to calculate simple forcing lines that decides the game .Calculation is the ability to calculate lines deep and deeper in any kind position accurately while keeping the tactical awareness.

[@derschutz4737]

@@ImroseChessits also intuitive, magnus has great tactical awareness

[@RW-Atl]

Whats going on with magnus’s hair

[@pwninginprogress7172]

Poor ding. I feel like first half, Magnus was just being honest but second half the team told him to be a bit more positive about the current champ lol

[@panlucer2400]

Magnus: He's not very good in this part of game. Host: What about this one? Magnus: Even worse. Literally whole video lol

[@demolitionrig9614]

Always a pleasure to hear analysis from the Goat

[@Reversely]

You also have to realize that Magnus votes are always considerably low. He's not the person to throw a 9 or 10 here just like how he rated some players before. Some GM may vote differently but yeah this is reasonable.

[@kennyabi3515]

I hope so much that Ding finds his game again and makes a memorable match with Gukesh. I like both players so i dont mind it if either win but i want a great match

[@tenorhighc1]

Brutal honestly. Hope Ding doesn't watch this! LOL

[@bugmonkey9226]

Why are they talking about him like he's dead? 😂😂😂

[@Oll1000]

If you'd watched him play in the past few tournaments, it feels like he actually is dead and a skinwalker has taken over his apperance.

[@thenameless7810]

The problem with Ding is that he wanted to retire but unexpectedly defeated Nepo and became the world championship. Rumor says he has an undisclosed illness therefore he is resting. Also China has not many tournaments that can help him. He passed his peak. No disrespect to Ding but he seems to be facing a lot of stress with his current chess skills and with health problems. Hope that he can give gukesh a challenge in the world championship match.

[@otomackena7610]

then he should have gave up the title then we would have got Fabi vs Gukesh which would have been more exciting

[@dromadrosis]

People of Take Take Take: I love this content! The more the better!

[@zarathustra_13]

Ding needs to gain his confidence if he gains it I think he will be able to put a good fight if he becomes abit more confident and starts believing in his self :v idk I never been a WCC so I don't get what he is going through

[@jamesolivera-b2n]

a scale is useless if you don’t define 0 and 10

[@paulxy952]

If you want to be exact yes but sometimes it can just be used as a orientation

[@yo4156]

0 is someone magnus doesnt know and 10 is magnus

[@marko6489]

It is not useless mathematically nor intuitively. You can compare ratings across each category so you can know relative strengths of each category. Also you can intuitively reason the level of strength in absolute terms especially since he adds explanation and the context to each. Obviously he is talking about elite chess - players who compete at the highest level. So 50 out of 1000 means being average amongst elite players. It is all understood in the context.

[@Interspirituality]

It would have been kinder to just rate Ding (and all other players) at their peak form … it would still preserve the diversity and imbalance of the playing card concept, while just being a kinder choice, overall … Plus, choosing their peak as representative is clearly a more timeless system than just their rating at the very present moment 🤷‍♂️

[@TwinTaylor94]

That’s an inform or legendary card

[@vlnow]

This is like my last work appraisal Pray for Ding.

[@fenomenomontagechannel1596]

that's really harsh. Magnus basically said he is garbage atm :(

[@oriondx72]

Well its kinda true but you can tell magnus wants he to be better like he used to be. I think everybody wants that they dont want to see a blowout championship match which it could be at the moment.

[@theavenger2378]

​@@oriondx72 Exactly, there's 2 things to keep in mind here: 1,, Chess gets harder as you age. You arent always going to perform at your peak, like any sport. 2, This is coming from one of the greatest ever players, who has seen Ding and others at their peak. He's qualified to say 'Ding wouldn't have played like that 5 years ago' or whatever. If this was rated by/against every player, he'd still be 8, 9, and 10's across the board.

[@alexperring6051]

​@@theavenger2378 Age isn't Dings problem. His decline is clearly about confidence not as a result of aging.

[@gen2196]

Ding needs a lot of sleep, meditation, self reflection and a lot of searching within for the killer instinct and the hunger that once was.

[@axel_r_]

Sometimes it feels like Magnus is the only adult in a chess for kids-only competition.

[@nexesses1548]

Every single stats it’s like, “yeah at his best you can add like 3 to that but right now it’s just 5-6”

[@rome2040]

If they made cards for many players with theur stats analysed by magnus i would buy it in a heart beat

[@liamf-2255]

Ive never lost to ding so i cannot relate.

[@BARCODE-101]

Ding became the world chess champion because of his skills as well as his luck 🤞. But I still support him 🎉🎉

[@bilbonec]

I would have like another skill to be mentioned: endurance. Even if Ding manages to fight close to his peak level, is he capable of maintaining such a fight during all the competition? In 2023, he won the competition but he seemed exhausted at the end; this year, his form is far from the one he has got. He is capable of having the mental and physical strength to last all the competition?

[@Srinivassss1999]

The sheer number of times ‘at the moment’ was used in this video 🤯

[@Kanishka-b6p]

I just hope the world champion matches are properly presented without too many technical hiccups or issues. So many matches covered by FIDE in the past were simply horrible for online spectators. I hope Take Take Take will do a much better job of it.

[@thenameless7810]

I remembered the last championship people was expecting Nepo to win but Ding play style caught Nepo of guard with the constant different varieties of opening. Ding seems like a wild card, hope he can pull out some suprises against gukesh. Last world championship was interesting to watch due to Ding weird moves and tactics. I hope this world championship could be like that too

[@michaellacy8510]

This is so disappointing. I’m still excited for the match. I hope Ding finds peace regardless of whether he wins.

[@ifrmin5021]

"Preperation"

[@danielholta5721]

It would be cool if i could list players based on their playing style in the app. Example: If i wanted to find the most positional player i could list them top to bottom.

[@davidfranklin5426]

Whose idea was it to put the ratings up on a distant wall in light blue against gray with no numbers marked?

[@ssss-ej1sc]

Where is the full interview?

[@rajessss]

Ding flunked badly in the "Magnus exam" rofl

[@chesswhizzard]

I would love to see the WC format be adjusted slightly to entice Magnus back ❤

[@bullymaguire8266]

Magnus might be greatest but that would be utter stupidity to amend format just because magnus doesn't like it. Its akin to school timing or hours adjusted just because the brightest one in class feels he should sleep till late.

[@chesswhizzard]

@bullymaguire8266 you can't progress without change....look how many other sports have adapted to attract more people and spectators into their sport...it would be stupidity to disregard the other possibilities and Magnus isn't the only one that thinks the format could be improved upon...

[@Phurngirathaana]

Yes let's make the world championship 5 seconds each with no increment for the whole game Rendering opening theory irrelevant 👍🙏☺️

[@afterneet4421]

​@@Phurngirathaana no but playing 6 hrs doesnt only focuses on your chess abilities ...stamina and energy is also the factors so i guess they should do wc in knockout format ..

[@Goblonium]

The dated system must be completely revamped, not to bring Magnus back but because it is just so bad.

[@barnowl2832]

They should do this relative to their own current rating. Like restrict it so there are only 40 'points' to distribute to the 8 fields

[@abhishekbhardwaj2640]

Training camp with Ding? That would be content!!!!!

[@rebel.taylord]

In 2023, I was rooting for Ke Huy Quan & Brendan Fraser during the Oscar. This year I will be cheering for Ding. I have a soft spot for good natured guys, maybe because I work in tech sales and kind people don't exist here, only the most aggressive, narcissist gets rewarded. I hope Ding makes a triumphant return. He just seems so nice and so sad all the time🤞🏻😅

[@ArranVid]

Magnus nailed it

[@esbenandersen2168]

What's the difference between calculation and tactics?

[@chrisjuan9249]

Tactics are mostly patterns, calculations take more consideration into how your opponent could react.

[@noobchessplayer7367]

these valuations are at the level 2700 guys

[@Szabby999]

Guys, what is the actual point of uploading this video? You always say how worried you are about Ding and his self confidence issues and then you post this. Why? How do you think it will affect him while preparing to defend his wcc title and he sees the world no.1 having so bad opinion about him? Let me help you: it won't make his situation any better. I find this video completely unnecessary and unsportsmanlike and I'm quite disappointed seeing this from Magnus and David.

[@liferacer1099]

(not throwing up on anyone) but I think ding deserves more credit. He is the WORLD CHESS CHAMPION. He has gone through some heck of work and mental endurance during his course we can't even fathom about. Personally, I don't think ding would succumb to any of this external nonsense.

[@Szabby999]

@@liferacer1099 I agree. You don't kick a person who is already laying on the ground. I still don't get the point of this video.

[@davidmchugh7264]

😢

[@MeritedMasterOfTheUSSR]

magnus probably just wants to see ding try again

[@Szabby999]

@@MeritedMasterOfTheUSSR Well, throwing the poor guy under the bus won't help him in gaining confidence, that is for sure.

[@Chessym]

Wouldn’t say any of that after he beat you in 2019 Sinquefield cup

[@brian1264]

I'd rathe see a video "how can Ding win" than a video hating on him saying he has no chance.

[@Gee-Sus-Official]

It's vulgar that he is the world champ. Realistically he is 2200 right now

[@Nightlight7]

@@Gee-Sus-Officialthat’s ridiculous

[@Gee-Sus-Official]

@@Nightlight7 look at his play. Ridiculous is calling ding world champ

[@Nightlight7]

@@Gee-Sus-Official ok but obviously he’s not 2200 lev

[@Gee-Sus-Official]

@@Nightlight7 saying he's lower than 2200 is being unreasonable dude....

[@shubhamraunak]

Share video of Magnus rating Gukesh

[@nextwenxd4777]

can you make the app let me chose what games i want to see based off the opening they play like caro kann or slav defense

[@asisomosfan666]

Did we know that Magnus had a training camp with Ding?

[@prcbras]

Nope, i'm very curious when they did that

[@thesubhumancomedy]

@@prcbras Me too.

[@songfrank9251]

Ding ever said in about 2015 Magnus invited him to his training camp for 2 weeks.

[@haeven-kelley]

You should add a learn chess feature to your app

[@haeven-kelley]

Should*

[@GamingClipse]

It is very clear Ding is not at his best after his win over Nepo. He doesn’t have the same passion for chess anymore. It seems he has already given up seeing as in his interviews he said he was going to quit chess after his match with Nepo.

[@nevertwenty]

such a really good app

[@entrace1]

Magnus please come back and claim what is yours. You have implied, that nobody is good enough to make chess challenging or interesting for you. So be it. Come back one last time, and show everyone why you are the greatest chess player ever lived.

[@Mustafa-r3o4j]

I think he might surprise us and win in the end

[@timurnakamur]

No wonder Ding has confidence issues. This is way too harsh of a rating for a current World Champion

[@ChessJourneyman]

More like polite. He is not even top 20 and undeniably the weakest paper WCC ever.

[@junaubomber6977]

​@@ChessJourneymanworse than Euwe?

[@markphc99]

You can count his wins on one hand this last year

[@JSSTyger]

When you're a world championship contender and Magnus says you're a 3/10...

[@johanliebert5781]

Man, what has happened to Ding. They are basically rating him twice : once on his past self and one his current. Seems like a day and night difference.

[@eduardotorres158]

🏆 Carlsen is the real actual World Champion!! Ding did not win the Candidates, nor a Match against him! World #1 since 2010, please give back the Title to Magnus, quickly!

[@NicoR24601]

Magnus doesn't want it.

[@gojo__senpai9745]

Hmm give title to Somone who doesn't wants it neither deserve it because he didn't played as per the tradition. So of he wants it again he have to compete and no disrespects to anyone but ding deserves what he achieved.. nothing else

[@PhilomathBret]

We should just let you tell everybody who the world champion is so whoever wins can just decline to defend their title yet still stay the champion indefinitely 👍

[@osi1432]

how far from reality do you live???? magnus literally refused to play what on eath are you talking abt. its insane to talk this way about ding if you have no idea of his carrer and his personal state rn just shows how little you know about ding and generaly this topic

[@fahedghodhbane6573]

i go for Ding

[@IbokRock811]

It is sad…but we do have to be honest. I think ding can definitely come back to strength over time - with rest and practice - but I don’t think it’ll be in time for the WC match.

[@MSMINDIA100]

Magnus- "Ding was not as good as Gukesh in calculation even at its peak, Gukesh is simply phenomenal in calculation."

[@juliuscoleslaw4276]

Why did they post this 😭😭😭. Doesn’t make anyone look good

[@mrwifi1206]

When world-renowned, professional players are being given 4 out of 10 😂😂

[@JohnDorem]

He's obviously amazing compared to most people, but I feel like he won the championship, then lost the dedication since he already accomplished the biggest feat. I don't know him personally, though.

[@penultimania4295]

Well can he stop speaking and dissing people unless he joins the tournament himself? (Yes I know he'd win but that's the point). If he hadn't dropped out like a little Ding wouldn't be here right now and yall could stop BULLYING him for daring to win fair and square, whatever the circumstances. The comments I've seen about Ding from some of the biggest GMs the past couple of days have been vile and uncalled for, doesn't matter how "true". Being good at chess doesn't make it ok to be a massive koont in public, especially before a tournament when it feels like it's to wear a player down to achieve a certain result.

[@Finanzfuechsle]

Ding is World Champion. And Magnus is the GOAT. Way too harsh. Judge Ding as player, when he became WC.

[@studdpuppy85]

He’s judging him as of now and I think he nailed it.

[@AliceYobby]

10/10 in everything would be Stockfish, people. You're also in the negative compared to pro athletes for a similar exercise

[@sudharshanajay4055]

She talks like every word has a full stop.

[@Philson]

Rate Hikaru

[@theNfl_Esq]

Magnus should be Ding’s coach.

[@raymondmenges8407]

It’s horrible what the chess media is doing to Ding

[@OtterOfFunWrites]

How do you rate the world champion? "Meeeh I don't know, maybe a 4 out of 10?"

[@michaelmassaro4375]

Gukesh Gukesh Gukesh 😊♟️‼️🇮🇳🏆❤️💯

[@louisastuto2878]

He is grading on a super super GM SCALE guys. Anyone under 2750 wouldn’t even get a 1 on this scale.

[@Kernel_King-]

4:08 "He(Ding) is not as good as Gukesh at calculation." 😂 Point to be noted 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@VIVEKPANDEYIITB]

“I am not impressed by your performance.” GSP

[@axel_r_]

Chess FIFA cards *after* GTA1, GTA2, GTA3, GTA4 and GTA5.

[@Jackoline6]

Did magnus just coined the term "DINGEROUS" at 2:20? 😂

[@juliocadavid6640]

Im using it in chat when the match is being played

[@B-fq7ff]

No

[@sankalpsingh9227]

Please do of gukesh

[@simpboigaming]

Ding will beat Gukesh Mark my words

[@BattleheartDLS]

idk why, but I feel somehow Ding will win the match and with big margin. The world witnessing his recent struggles, and Ding knows it. Even as a world champion and the rapid raise of Gukesh, Ding will be coming into the match nothing to lose and play very sharply. His match against Nepo was super tough, that was not easy, but Ding won.

[@pargm9543]

Marked

[@vlnow]

This is the chess equivalent of Conor McGregor trash talking opennents and saying " who the fook are you?"

[@markphc99]

A fair assessment, his decline has been as steep as it was unexpected

[@LawrenceSmith-r5c]

Carlsen honest af

[@krishnachakrabarty577]

balotalli of chess!!

[@HorrorGoofy]

magnus forget ding calculation skills

[@BeUnlimited-hu3iq]

Magnus is the absolute 🐐 goat

[@Xinvoker]

10/10.

[@IamStreamZ]

Congratulations Gukesh for being World Champion 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@MadaraUchiha-iu3ld]

Gukesh > Prime Ding. The world will realize this in due time. That's why I say Ding's form is kinda irrelevant for this championship, unless it's about what margin Gukesh earns his victory by.

[@jonathangarcia273]

Nah, not even close, ding at his peak was more than 2800 was dificult for even magnus, gukesh its not that good right now

[@akashs6110]

​@@jonathangarcia273lol talking as if gukesh is some 2700 player shut tfu

[@Goblonium]

Not yet, not even close at the present. Prime Ding and prime MVL in 2019 were monsters and would wipe the current field except Magnus and Erigaisi. 2019 unlocked something in the top guys.

[@jonathangarcia273]

@@Goblonium erigaisi its not even top 3 right now, he IS good but its not that good for me, naka and fabi play a better chess

[@Goblonium]

@@jonathangarcia273 Unlike Nakamura and Fabiano, Erigaisi plays so many, many more open tournaments, where the top players lose their rating, and he got to 2800 grinding in that hell. He doesn't just play invitationals or against the same super grandmasters every time.

[@LinMyintMyatKyaw-r6m]

Look like no one is commenting, then i shall be the one to start everything.

[@goonerboy93]

Kinda feel like this is a bit unnecessary to be honest

[@DeepFriedLiver]

I am getting flashbacks to the 2014 candidates. Everyone believed Anand’s chances were basically zero because he’d apparently lost his form. He won proving basically everyone wrong. Sure he lost the rematch… but 2014 Magnus was near peak Magnus so no shame in that. Anyway I’m calling it now Ding wins convincingly! Why? Cause everyone is doubting him and peak Ding was a beast. He’s gonna find his form when it matters.

[@philipstevenson5166]

has ding got the longest non-winning streak for a wc?

[@antoniomonteiro3698]

If only he had a change to... oh, wait...

[@ivanzeeplaysfromyoutube4356]

magnus holds grudge on ding because backthen when ding is in his prime ding often beats magnus ass (by the way) i'm a big fan of magnus and ding❤

[@nathanielreichert4638]

Angela Alsobrooks owes thousands in back taxes 😂