MAGsimum Value!!? // MSI MAG Forge 100R Review

[@AVTechy]

Timestamps: 00:38 - Unboxing 00:58 - Overview 04:13 - Radiator and Fan compatibility 05:45 - 3.5" Drives 06:57 - PSU 08:12 - Cable Management 09:32 - 2.5" Drives 10:29 - Motherboard and CPU Cooler 10:49 - Graphics Card 11:26 - Thermal and Acoustic Testing Introduction 12:48 - Thermal and Acoustic Testing Analysis 15:56 - Price and Price vs Performance 16:43 - Conclusion

[@TTks124]

Since you are doing incredibly long and detailed videos and reviews, and you´re not just doing unboxings and call them reviews, im gonna share my experience since you´re most likely to be interested and maybe show it on camera or put it to the test. This is exclusively about air cooling. Depending on the air cooler, the fan or fans on it, might not have sufficient power to draw the needed volume of air from their surroundings to saturate the cooler, or have just about enough. In a case with exceptionally good airflow, like a mesh case, what happens is that you artificially expand the area from where the fans of the cooler move air with the front fans of the case, so the air cooler depending on its size and the heat to dissipate, will experience a very hard drop in scaling or will experience very hard diminishing returns if you will, much before you reach the max rpm on the fans. For example: I have a r5 2600 at 1.41v and 4.2ghz +nh-15+meshify C, with 2x140mm sw3 and 1x120mm sw3 in front of the case. The foam filter in the mesh front panel is removed. At 140w+ there´s no difference between 1 and 2 fans. None at all. Further more, dropping front case fans and cooler fan to 1100rpm, only gets 2ºC wormer, from 72ºC to 74ºC, but drastically reduces noise. Dropping to 800rpm, it gets another 2ºC wormer, from 74 to 76. The conclusion is basically that after 800rpm, the diminishing returns hit very hard, at 140w load and lower. Using tape to simulate a define C, temperatures get a lot worst. 17ºC difference at 800rpm. But that´s not the only change. Now temperatures improvement scales much more with more RPM, getting 5ºC improvement at 1100rpm, from 93ºC to 88ºC and another 3,5ºC at max rpm, from 88ºC to 84/85ºC, so the difference reduces to 12-13ºC. However the more you drop RPM the more increases the difference in temperature. These paterns are present in GN testing charts aswell prnt.sc/uptzq2 I wrote this in 2 of your videos comment sections, to make sure you see it. Not intended for spam. Sorry if it bothers you.

[@matthewddm]

SONG: CULTURE

[@augustaverbian]

This is how case review should be done.

[@Lyander25]

The indexing and brevity of presentation is immensely refreshing, yeah. Saying this is a cliche at this point but I'm genuinely surprised this channel isn't significantly more popular than it is.

[@DeVRJB]

+1

[@abhijeet.zeppelin]

Agree

[@dunbat1573]

Honestly. Gamers Nexus should pay your visa and hire you lmao.

[@augustaverbian]

Hardware Canucks also good for reviewing case.

[@crestdragon]

Clear voice, straight to the point, and provide precise data. This is exactly what I expect in every tech review. Only a small thing is that you should've had more comparing options, maybe with the most popular and most praised cases so we can have a better look at their values. Great review nontheless.

[@guillermomoran9413]

Hands down to one of the best reviews I've ever seen, I just bought this case and you have no idea how much it helped me!

[@astaroth5024]

This review is at the same level of Gamers Nexus, which is huge imo, I now know all i need to know about this case with a single video, thank you!

[@connectronbuilds9960]

took them long enough to realise air is a thing

[@rraahhuulliiyyaa]

Lol

[@jakegreen3353]

This saved me so much when i was trying to add a HDD. Thank you.

[@angumech13]

What an excellent in-depth review. I was looking for this cabinet's reviews for 3 days and this is the detailed review I have seen. I loved the micro detailing explained on the screw head interfering the 2.5" SSD when mounted on backside of the motherboard. Keep doing the reviews in same way.

[@qT_p13]

Msi actually making decent cases after a few flops.

[@Captaintacozinger]

after finally getting my hands on a RTX 30 series card (got a 3070) I knew I needed to upgrade my case. I was using the Lian Li Lancool II (not the mesh one) because I liked the design and was only running a XFX 580 at the time, so the thermals were never going to bother me. I found this case for relatively cheap on amazon and found this video before I purchased it. The way you articulated every single pro and con for the case was so intuitive and concise that I had almost no doubt in my mind that this case was worth the money after finishing this video. You just earned a genuine subscriber. Thank you so much for making this video so detailed.

[@schmmop]

I need more of these straightforward reviews

[@EARTHROMR]

Got one in Australia, $100 AUD, very happy with the case. Excellent cooling/noise

[@narcoleptic-insomniac4663]

I’ve been waiting to see this thing here a proper overview. Thanks dude!

[@AVTechy]

Thanks so much for waiting for the review. This should have been completed nearly two weeks ago! Anyway, thanks for the support, and I hope you enjoy the review!

[@sayankumarchanda2916]

@@AVTechy Can u please tell me how many Led effects are there in Cabinet in built controller.....

[@ilovetweek000]

Planning to buy this for my first ever PC build

[@Bob-zn7vq]

Yo Hitler what u doing here

[@abouesxobar]

me too bro, tell me how it goes

[@man_like_forg1121]

How is it?

[@christiangrech2890]

Do you like the case and how many fans do you have in there and how are temps

[@wayevs]

This case is £48 now I'm buying it looks great and has excellent features like usb 3.2 ports only , tempered glass and controllable lighting with a decent build quality and a branded one at that makes it very good value

[@christiangrech2890]

How are your temps and do you like the case

[@thatbeardyweirdo]

excellent review. seen this case on Amazon and was already considering it, but I think after watching your video, I will certainly buy it for my next build

[@AVTechy]

Thanks for checking out my review. Glad you found it helpful :)

[@that1coolman]

Thanks for such a long and detailed review..... I luv your reviews..... I'll definitely look forward at buying it....😁

[@tahnae99]

Great review, thanks! I hate the bar across the middle and was looking for a smaller case but considering it’s current price of $78 AUD/£43, it seems like a bit of a steal and great value for what you’re getting.

[@chrissoulless278]

msi finally made a decent case...great review as always, and in under 20 minutes, wow!!!

[@Icefury]

Clearly you have been inspired by the top KZbin reviewers (Gamers Nexus, Hardware Kanucks, Linus Tech Tips etc) and the polish / refinement of your work is amazing for a start up tech review channel. You have my sub, keep us this caliper of reviews & polish on your videos and you will make huge strides towards joining the top PC Hardware Reviewers.

[@kalet196]

Will buy this case thanks to your review!

[@linoxyard]

Thanks for this extremely well made review. Made me buy the case :)

[@linoxyard]

@@mobgripchamanrogue I ended up returning it and bought a DF700. It was not bad, but it didn't fit my specific needs

[@christiangrech2890]

What made you return the case

[@linoxyard]

@@christiangrech2890 Wow, I don't remember really. It had something to do with the graphics card setup I had, maybe space issues

[@lebronsrealhairline4740]

Just the review I was looking for. High quality video and well explained. I'm gonna sub👍

[@RonnieBanerjee007]

This video is too good for YT! So good mate! 🙌

[@BattleGripID]

awesome review! bought one myself after watching your video. got it for $45 :)

[@pelesasaandrews6490]

from where

[@christiangrech2890]

Do you like the case and how many fans do you have in there and how are temps

[@QorbeQ]

I've got the 100M version (same case, but proprietary RGB fans and controller board rather than aRGB - my motherboard is way too old to need aRGB and I'll be happy sticking with a simple button-press) and when compared to the micro-tower it was all in before it's a dream to build in and everything runs so much cooler. Can't recommend it enough, and the 100M version is only £49.99!

[@duckmucker]

With the argb fans, do you have to use the MSI mystic light sync for them? I was hoping to use an ASRock rgb motherboard and want to make sure I can use their system instead. Thanks

[@AVTechy]

They're straight forward common connectors and should work with any motherboard and software that controls ARGB lighting.

[@mateslava1788]

I was asking myself the same thing, did you get it to work?

[@avik3460]

Best review.. thanks for making me decide my case finally. Love from india

[@rafablesa]

Good job. Looking forward for next... :)

[@BerkeGala]

I have this case, it is good, enough space but the only downsides I would say are that the front has no dust filter and there is little space for cable management in the back. Other than that, it's a very good case !

[@BerkeGala]

@@mobgripchamanrogue Hello ! I sold this PC a few months ago. The reason I sold it was nothing wrong with the PC, I needed to focus more on my studies. The case overall was still like new when I sold it. Like I mentioned the front has no dust filters which eventually needs to be cleaned every now and then. Something I have conlcuded after is that the case is too big for what I needed, if you go for a Micro ATX format motherboard you better look for a Micro ATX case. Other than that I don’t think you can get anything better for that price, considering it has an ARGB controller and 2 ARGB fans + 1 normal fan.

[@BerkeGala]

@@mobgripchamanrogue Thanks ! :)

[@IronBuddha80]

I just bought this case for $40 on sale. It's great for a budget build!

[@WorisonTV]

When it comes to airflow is it a good case or nah?

[@27aiman]

Amaziiiiiiing review ❤️

[@hamza-trabelsi]

- How many fans you want ? - Yes

[@scryptio]

Great review! Loved it. P.S Remember me when you're famous ;)

[@dr.zinfplays.7924]

I bought this case for my first ever build, it’s next to my right now!. Just need to wait for the rest of the parts now 😔

[@christiangrech2890]

Do you like the case and how many fans do you have in there and how are temps

[@cxrrvptxr]

Waiting for this to arrive to start my build

[@SandWorm.]

Great review, helped me a lot. Just bought this case for 55 bucks in Ukraine. Thanks for the vid

[@ghandimauler]

Thanks! I'm looking at a Codex R and this case is either what they use or much like it and their manual was unclear on anything about SATA headers (on the mobo) and where drives could be mounted and how. Your video showed me the latter part. Thanks for that!

[@TroType]

Nice video, found somethings out about the case than i did. In total 10/10

[@kevincedeno5698]

nice chanel, you deserve more subs

[@lordikonik]

4:32 Why doesn't it support 360 rads? It can clearly have 3 120mm fans up front. Or is this a drive cage compatibility issue? But the cage is movable...

[@mitchell8051]

Did you ever find out ? I got a good deal on 360 mm and want to know if it will fit

[@fullboostturbo1]

You need to touch a part of the case that has clean metal to get rid of ESD, and the power supply needs to be plugged in so there is an earth for the ESD to discharge too.

[@md.mahinurrahman2874]

Casing and the video, both are COOL! 😎👌🏿

[@kentopinto]

How did you figure the fans out? Mine light up but dont spin

[@ldvico]

I have a Corsair RM650 which measures 160mm in length, but even with the HDD tray far forward I couldn’t fit in the PSU wires. Had to remove the tray out of the case which is unfortunate, but otherwise it’s a great case for the price!

[@momocarmelo15]

Same

[@korezako3930]

Between this case and Phanteks P300A, which one you choose?

[@AVTechy]

Hmm, that's a good question. If style isn't a factor since it's subjective, I'd day the Forge 100R/M is good choice since it comes with 3x decent fans.

[@murrick3854]

Very good review! Wish you more subscribers! (I am from Russia)

[@ItsMe-jd1zu]

Nice vid broo :) I have a question for you :} : Is there an included fan hub controller with this case?

[@abhinavraj2119]

Amazing review, 10/10

[@DominicTorres]

i just bought a 100r yesterday. i really like the minimalist look from the glass side panel, i just need to eliminate my 3.5 drive, those extra cables on the back for the 3.5 makes the cable management a mess. also planning to buy more rgb fan too make it more cool.

[@craig2coolfr]

is it particularly big?

[@acecasipit6534]

have a few question sir, hope it will answer, b4 buying this pc case... 1. can the fan be sync to auros mobo? 2. i have a deepcool gammax v2 240, it will fit to the top? ( mobo is ATX & Delta force Ram )

[@Hstudiosproductions]

Hi, I'm thinking of buying this case because of the budget. But the ARGB fans uses MSI Mystic Light, and I'm planning to buy a new GIGABYTE MOBO B460 AORUS PRO. Does RGB fusion work on these case ARGB fan? Should I just change the fan that can support RGB fusion?

[@iwx2672]

Can you get more than 2 3.5 drives in here anyway

[@electrobuzz.]

I just had to remove my drive cage because the psu didnt fit in with the cables (my first build so it might have been possible but i just wasn't comfortable with the bending the cables had to take... I also didnt move it because i wasn't aware that was possible) 160mm psu if you were wondering.

[@captainc1152]

the issue with the ssd drive installation cited at 9:52 of video is an error on your part - need to install that ssd on plate with the sata ports facing down if possible

[@AVTechy]

I was highlighting the lack of ability to install it either way, and providing information to the viewer that it can only be installed port side down. An error on my part? Just take a second to think about why something is being done before rushing to conclusions.

[@captainc1152]

@@AVTechy I did take a second to think about it and I don't know why anyone would even WANT to attach the drive to that plate any other way but port side DOWN - pointless criticism .

[@AVTechy]

@@captainc1152 I said it was "fairly irritating". Not the end of the world, and not exactly harsh criticism. Like most things I criticise, there are better ways of doing them which would be no less efficient, and work better. I think your level of criticism at my criticism is actually more over the top and your going way further out of your way than my couple of sentences outlining my findings. I'd say if any of this criticism is pointless it's yours. I'm pointing something out that someone may find useful, your complaining to me about about my mentioning of such a thing. At least what I said could be useful!

[@captainc1152]

@@AVTechy not following how running cables upward only to bend them downwards to be plugged into ssd is "more efficient" than the other way around but to each their own - I guess you need to justify yourself. conversation over

[@AVTechy]

I wasn't refering to connecting them from the top as being just as efficient, I was referring to the drive mount being designed to accept top or bottom connected cables being just as efficient as the current design (in terms of material and cost). It's been done better (more usable) with less material elsewhere. Refer to the Q300L as an example (grommets and screws). I presume that's the justification dealt with.

[@snaperslab0218]

is fan hub included?

[@carlyle4527]

the connector of the argb fan is 4 pin pwm? so the fan is not 5v? its safe to plug in 12v header? saw the manual on your vid to plug argb fan to sys header

[@MorTphyr]

This or the corsaie cabide spec omega? Despite the omega having airflow issues. Both cases look amazing

[@Ironix]

You should review the Enermax Marbleshell case. There are currently no reviews on it so you'll be the only video about it

[@moroccan-gamer9]

Hi man do u really recommend this case in 2023 because the only case i can get with my budget is this case so do u think it's good and will my rx 6800xt and cpu cooler deepcool ak620 fit in this case or no thank u so much🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@AVTechy]

I can't confirm the compatibility with the cooler, you'll need to read the spec sheet for that. But for a budget case, I think this is a great one. If it does all you want it to, I'd recommend it.

[@marlOlOfficial93]

hey man! I might have the same problem! i bought a Merc 6800xt (34cm) will it fit in the case cos it says 33 cm max! does it have any spare room to fit is what i mean... thanks. keep up the good job!@@AVTechy

[@Glarblenuck]

Any advice for cable management? This is my second custom-built PC but it's the first one I'm building myself and cable management is something that confuses me when I think about it, probably because I've never done it before.

[@AVTechy]

Velcro works really well for strapping cables together. I recommend getting a small roll of 10mm wide Velcro and cutting lengths of however long you need. I use it all the time for builds, and it's endlessly reusable if you need to go back and redo bits.

[@TheSummerwine1]

My 3080 seems to run a bit hot in this case. Installed a third case fan in the middle and the memory junction temp still hovers around 92-96C. Though idk if the fans are supposed to go higher than they do, the fastest they seem to go is between 1350 and 1400 RPM. I think something is up (maybe with mobo settings?) because the new fan I installed is supposed to max around 2000 RPM, and it hovers around the same as the preinstalled case fans.

[@Matthew_MBG]

This. This is excellent. I have one tutorial request, may you show us how to remove the MSI logo on the case?

[@AnkitPatel04]

How to remove front panel ? please help.

[@BerkeGala]

Just pull it from the sides

[@rhensensehres3411]

Hello there may i know the size of the tempered glass? thank you

[@OtogakureNoShinobi]

Wondering if it's possible to turn off the lights completely for the fans?

[@garryliu612]

Can you please review the ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 AIO? I’ve been looking for a proper benchmark comparison between it and the Corsair H150i Pro XT RGB

[@AVTechy]

Thanks for the suggestion. But unfortunately I don't think I'm going to be looking to do any more 360mm AIO comparisons since I don't really have the CPU to properly test them. 360mm radiators are useful for really big CPUs, and the 6700K just ain't that big. It's still hot for a mainstream CPU, but not like i9, R9, or Threadripper CPUs. Sorry for the disappointment, but I don't think I'll be able to provide any useful information for big water coolers. Maybe poke Gamers Nexus and see if they'll take a swing at it.

[@garryliu612]

AV Techy I ended up buying the 10900KF and paired it with the ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360. From everything I’ve seen online, I feel like it’s going to be a solid choice for now. Thanks for the response man!

[@spicey6103]

I have a question if a "240mm" radiator would fit cuz almost every radiator is 277mm?

[@consulsulla6519]

Hey man, I ordered this to be my case for my first ever gaming pc build. I have everything except the CPU Cooler. I have the Ryzen 5 5600x and B450 Tomahawk Max. I was thinking of the Noctua NH-D15, Premium CPU Cooler with 2x NF-A15 PWM 140mm. I was just wondering if that was gonna be too big for this case? Appreciate it bruv.

[@christiangrech2890]

Do you like the case and how many fans do you have in there and how are temps

[@CryptonGamerYT]

Hey bro i wanna asked u about this case the deepcool ak620 feet in this case or not? And rtx 3060ti dual fan this case will not do some thermal throttle for parts?

[@snaperslab0218]

What are the connectors for the pre installed fans?

[@BBC9nchs]

Wait, let’s say you possibly need 4 or 3 more usb plug ins can you do anything about that?

[@milutinke]

Does the case have screws for SSDs included and can I connect the fan controller to ASRock Polychrome RGB sync?

[@jaydeepmohile]

Can I mount a 360mm AIO in the front if I remove the HDD Cage completely to make room at the bottom?

[@ashton_gaming8670]

If I order this gaming pc with an RTX 3060 or RTX 3050 will it be able to work with a MSI RTX 3060 TI if I replace the card myself.

[@ripwotd]

Where did you connect the front rgb fans? In the rgb module that the case include or in the MOBO?

[@kxzy.837]

How many standoffs are pre-installed in this case?

[@khanikarmaut]

My fans are not spinning...I connect 3pin connector with the sata port connection to the motherboard...lights are working but fans not spinning...what to do

[@MushtaqAhmed-bh2cj]

RGB cable needs to be connected to motherboard or it will work without that?

[@LouinTomlinson]

What ist the name of the fans? I have this case and i want to buy extra fans, but i don't know what the name is.

[@Felix-nu9pc]

wich msi fans are in the case?

[@irondragon9775]

I have this case gonna use it to make my first ever pc build!

[@AVTechy]

Nice, all the best with the build! :)

[@irondragon9775]

@@AVTechy it worked! The cable management is absolute dogtrash but it works lol

[@ttig4044]

I have a EVGA 750 GQ Gold+ power supply, would it fit? It says on PC Part Picker it exceeds the recommended Length of 160mm.

[@nidhalalaya]

hi , with a micro atx MB can i fit in a Cooler Master HYPER 212 LED TURBO ARGB . (Dimensions 120 x 110 x 159 mm)

[@frhn707]

Finally a case that cost the same as the original price in my country, and not 200$ while the original price is like 80$, btw can you review the aerocool aero one?

[@AVTechy]

Nice! I hear loads about price discrepancies all the time. And you're reading my mind! I got the Aerocool One ordered at the same time as the MSI Forge 100R since they seem quite similar on the outside, and I want to figure out which is the better deal. That case is next on the chopping block! :D

[@atm_gt2517]

Just wondering do I need to buy a cpu cooler or is the fans that come with it enough?

[@AVTechy]

I was going to explain why, when, and the what behind CPU coolers and case fans, but it's easier to put it this way if you're not sure. Always have a CPU cooler, and ideally have one case fan in the front blowing air in, and one in the rear blowing air out. That'll give you reasonable performance (as long as you've got a good enough cooler for your CPU - doesn't need to be the biggest and best, just ideal for the CPU). Give me a should of you want more help, just let me know what you've got and what you need (CPU, CPU cooler, and fans).

[@stormbreakeralexgaming959]

Can I use this with a antec vp 600 and aorus b450 elite ABD still use argb? With Some antec argb fans?

[@coolbus_4585]

underrated

[@waldo1359]

Does the case have preinstalled standoff screws for the motherboard?

[@s3lent_997]

What are all the cables u need?

[@lilyvb2241]

Me knowing nothing about building a pc him: does this vid me: oooohhhhh I know now

[@kb2564]

Hey I got to confirm something. Should I mount the psu fan side down because of the vent location at the bottom of the case? Because then it can intake cool air from the vent. Paired with 9700k and 3070. I am new into pc building. Thanks.

[@AVTechy]

If there's a basement shroud or the PSU is withing 10-20mm or so of the graphics card, fan side down is the way to go. Otherwise it doesn't really matter, and will only affect the temperature of the PSU typically by a few degrees under full system loads.

[@kb2564]

@@AVTechy it is the same case. Msi mag forge 100r

[@AVTechy]

Same case, there are different versions with different numbers, but MAG Forge and Forge are the same.

[@kb2564]

@@AVTechy I have a doubt. I am new to pc building and have built my first pc. But the monitor is yet to arrive. So when I install windows, do I have to connect hdmi to board to get signal to monitor so that after windows install, after nvidia drivers install I can connect the dp cable to graphics card or can I connect the dp cable to gpu and still get a signal to install windows? I am just a bit confused.

[@AVTechy]

You should be completely fine to connect the monitor to the back of the graphics card and then install windows. Even without the latest driver it should figure out how to supply a signal to your monitor.

[@Sk01194]

The argb panel have 2 connection, 1 to the motherboard and the other to the power supply, the motherboard cable is to control de argb with the msi program?

[@folabi_lol1965]

What's the difference between the 100R and 100M

[@frenkyfirnando8149]

i want to ask, cable for fan case connect to sys_fan in motherboard right?

[@noonecareswtf]

Hello friend a serious question. I set up a Build with a case MSI MAG Forge 100M and would like to know if this case is compatible with a following motherboards and if yes which would advise me: ASRock B550 Steel Legend/MSI B450 Tomahawk II/Gigabyte B450 AORUS Pro. Olá amigo uma pergunta séria. Criei uma Build com uma caixa MSI MAG Forge 100M e gostaria de saber se esta caixa é compatível com uma motherboards seguinte e se sim, o que me aconselharia: ASRock B550 Steel Legend/MSI B450 Tomahawk II/Gigabyte B450 AORUS Pro.

[@cidsapient7154]

thx for this review i was going to buy it but saw the pcie covers ur video confirmed they are snap off that is a deal breaker for me

[@MorTphyr]

Looks so good

[@avi56]

Can I ask are those fans build in?