Mainz - A Good German Premium & Desync Response From WG

[@Flamuu]

Yeah, I know that statement isn't a fix, but at least they acknowledged the issue! Good job my dudes and thanks for the support as always! Stream: www.twitch.tv/flamuu Insta: instagram.com/flamugram/ Twitter: twitter.com/flamuchz Discord: discord.gg/Flamu

[@postwar142]

Just curious, anyone else getting pens with no damage as well?

[@aijokallen6669]

@@postwar142 Probably the guns absorbed the dmg

[@brycekallenbach8042]

@@postwar142 I get this as well

[@aijokallen6669]

@@brycekallenbach8042 Well today I had games where damage numbers don't pop while the upper right corner DMG counter increased correctly

[@postwar142]

@@aijokallen6669 I'm not knocking out guns when it happens though

[@Spectacular_Insanity]

Me: "How many flags are you running, Flamu?" Flamu: "Yes."

[@mr.c6383]

Flamu: All of them

[@wino0000006]

Christmass Tree in April.

[@silverthorngoodtree5533]

Flamu " a German ship this good" Wargaming "nerf in 3, 2, 1.."

[@B1GCORE]

Mainz is already released so nerf is nullified.

[@Basmaster100]

eastindies Released premium ships don’t get direct nerfs. They only get indirect nerfs like the smoke firing penalty and ifhe rework for the Kutuzov. Special ships (like Smolensk and Thunderer) do get direct nerfs sometimes.

[@6uiti]

Mr. Goodtree 🌳 puff puff

[@nicholshim1]

@eastindies a direct nerf isn't going to happen to the Mainz. So if you have any suggestions for an indirect nerf for the Mainz, do enlighten us all

[@heinrichmirgrautsvordir6613]

@@nicholshim1 They could nerf the german penetration.

[@jackkain7141]

"This is a fun German ship." - Flamu RIP Mainz.

[@nikoolix]

It's released already, no released premium has ever gotten individually nerfed.

[@Cyr4s]

@@nikoolix So, it's the entire German cruiser line that's getting nerfed next then...huh

[@samuelwong4152]

I’m sorry, it isn’t, a slow moving garbage, unfit to call it a cruiser. More like a useless light BB

[@DefundGunControl]

Flamu: "A good German premium" WG: "I've never seen such bullshit before !"

[@TerjeL]

I guess the person who made this ship is fired now.

[@thelvadam2884]

@@TerjeL You bet

[@wino0000006]

Tirpitz: hello.

[@jg14gerhard_bar]

@@TerjeL executed*

[@KyleKazuma]

*Hears "Mines" and tier 8 in the same sentence: WOT flashbacks....

[@DarkTau]

That map should not see anything above Tier 5.

[@wtpiv6041]

First tier 9 game was on Mines in the bone stock E75... oh the horror!

[@BPKPhoenix]

Oh man, I remember being in an IS-6 and got my shit KICKED IN on that map lmao. Memories... oh the memories...

[@PhanchaiSiam555]

Mainz is a german city and he pronounce it correctly. 🤗

[@o0_ANTI_0o]

Flamu likes a german ship and thinks its good... 2 days later: "we removed all main battery and secondary guns and replaced them with the crew who will now engage the enemy with their 9mm pistols"

7.65 Luger

[@Roberto577_One]

Flamu: A good German premium? I hope WG doesn't nerf it... WG: Never comrade, never. Also WG: Turns Mainz into a Russian premium and buffs it.

[@liamfreeman1812]

Roberto577 heard of the Petr Bagration?

[@Roberto577_One]

@@liamfreeman1812 ahh yes, the glorious Bagration. Perfect Soviet engineering comrade.

[@das294bs]

I think you mean Tallin, Russian T8 with 12x180mm🤭

[@gusp6612]

Daniel Delgado Mainz is way better than Tallin and Bagration

[@Sunnyboy-ob4xz]

Expecting a nerf within the month lol, which is why I haven't gone and bought the ship yet

[@hirodnazari2720]

They can't nerf it, it's a released premium for cash. Same reason they won't nerf Georgia

[@chrisnettos4749]

On NA they removed this in 5 days, thanks to flamuu video it will be nerfed now

[@dizzlethechef]

@@chrisnettos4749 They added it back to NA I just bought it :).

[@dizzlethechef]

But yeah, they can't nerf cash ships. The only way cash ships get nerfed is if they change game mechanics, like how the long-range invisible fire nerf screwed over the Atlanta.

[@tejoadi4349]

@@dizzlethechef cant nerf premium ship? Yeah right... (looks at graf zeppelin after slingshot nerf)

[@typezero_archange1593]

Lo and Behold: The Age of HE Spamming has Ended... Now, THE ERA OF AP SPAMMING IS NOW HERE

[@TheAmazingCowpig]

The era of AP spamming was the original era of WoWs. I mean, sure HE spam was still stupid strong in the early days of WoWs, but AP was the name of the game.

[@steampxnk2037]

@@TheAmazingCowpig minotaur is epic gamer

[@Bluten]

Nothing wrong with AP spam. Unless it's the. "LOL I overmatch everything" kind

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

the difrence is that AP can be countered, angling and good positioning see to this. it also allows vessels with superior armor to act as spearheads, being more resiliant to it and able to push people away from caps. it was the main thing that drived early BB close quarter builds. but now? with HE being in an absurdly good state, there is nothing that one can do when pushing. pushing will net you tons of damage and multiple perma-fires that are going to kill you or destroy your game, all the while DDs are forced to hide from both HE campers and planes to not have a 30 seconds match. Really the only solution is to stand at the back of the map and snipe, which only benefits a handfull of ships, allong with the HE snipers themselves, or join the cancer with more HE spam cruisers in the hope of outcancering the other side. it makes for a lot of unfun one sided match with very little moments where i can look back at it and say "well if i had done this/team had done that, we would have won this"

[@steampxnk2037]

@@mobiuscoreindustries you have to play rather passive in wows, e.g facing your bow away from the enemy while kiting away as they try to kill you. it's hard to explain but this guide rather helped a lot www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/9vgr3i/a_guide_how_to_get_good_at_world_of_warships/

[@elnrik8655]

Wargaming: Did you have to flame us about the Dsync issue?! We might have to cut you off, Flamu. Flamu: Acknowledge it publicly, and l will call the Mainz the best Premium Cruiser ever. WG: OK, you have a deal! *Wrings hands greedily*

[@derwutgamer3570]

Thank you for making a video on desync. I had a post in the forum and i was talked down by other players like "learn to aim, its just you!". You just got their attention to focus on the actual problem!

[@Lintary]

Next test patch: Mainz Reload increased by 15%, she was to effective, also the torpedo loadout has been adjusted to 2x3.

[@b3nz0r12]

Plus Icebreaker bow removed, and some russian ship buffed.

[@robinekhoodekful]

U mean decreased?

[@Subha95]

well its prem ship cant change haha

[@jozseftoth9368]

Tbh, the range is a bit too much

[@BRAMB0SSS]

@@robinekhoodekful or reload time

[@ME262MKI]

Another good german ship that is going to get WG's "balans" touch, ty Flamu

[@notaidan4451]

Since WG can’t nerf a premium, they’ll add a global nerf where 150mm guns receive 1/8 pen

[@huanm2676]

Can't get nerfed. but powercrept by russian balans like always

[@jpdillon2832]

Next update: Because of the increased performance of German Cruiser Mainz, her reload has been lengthened to 10 seconds, and the 1/4 German pen has been cancelled. In other news, New soviet cruisers will be recieving 8km Hydro.

[@charilaoskaragkounis7412]

They can't nerf released premium ships so WG finally screwed up and gave us a good german ship Can't argue with the soviet 8km hydro tho XDDD

[@jpdillon2832]

Greksouvlaki GZ you’re right! They’ll just remove her from shop.

[@shinkicker404]

Jpdillon they did already didn’t they?

[@charilaoskaragkounis7412]

@@shinkicker404 I think she's back again

[@Bud_Brigman]

WG: all German light crusiers will gain an extra 10 seconds main gun reload and all German torp ranges will be reduce to 1km. Fixed it for you 😉

[@redheads604]

"we will look into it, but don't expect a fix" WeGreedy

[@lost4356]

they gonna fixed it by launching a new soviet line ship and any other ship after that and we're gonna forget the problem because new ship

[@12Burton24]

They will buff the desync because they use forsure UDSSR country based servers. 😂🤣 forsure no nerf is incoming for the desync 😘

[@notaidan4451]

WG: Wait a FUN German ship? That’s illegal! Hmmmmm, it’s a premium so we must make a global nerf....... yes yes we are going to announce that 150mm guns now have 1/8 pen, yes that’s a good change yes. Also cruisers with 150-155mm guns cannot have an icebreaker bow or turtleback armour.

[@nissan300ztt]

The tirpitz is a blast to play

[@notaidan4451]

Tacticool Millenial shhhhh WeeGee doesn’t know about Tirpitz yet be quiet

[@nissan300ztt]

@@notaidan4451 oops...:D

[@Anldiot69]

@@nissan300ztt it can be great sometimes but the main battery is garbadge, even at close range hard to hit anything. I played all T8 bbs except KII and liked all of them except Bismarck more than the Tirpitz. Especially Massa, its 406mm with better pen angles, dispersion (or sigma? Idk, but it's better), better heal and way better secondary accuracy and AA. All for the trade of Torpedos that break mostly anyway.

[@DerPolygonianer]

@@Anldiot69 Dispersion or Sigma doesn't really make a Difference. If you have really high Sigma and high Dispersion you will still reliably hit. Which is the Reason Russian Accuracy doesn't get that much worse over Distance. The Dispersion increases, but high Sigma means that a lot of the shots will still hit where you're aiming.

[@Vil3mos]

Flamu: I like Mainz WG: I'm gonna do what's called a pro-gamer move

[@Shadow.24772]

Flamu: Recommend Also Flamu: can't wait to see how WG will nerf this one Me: *Surprised Pikachu face*

[@KermitTheGamer21]

So, I'm out of the loop here. Mainz is the proposed version of Hipper that instead of having the 203mm guns, it has the guns of the Nurnberg, yes? It looks fun and if I still played the game I'd probably buy it.

[@OneofInfinity.]

That torp hit at 2:44 it came from under the island... yesterday I got an invisible torp appearing just before it hit me while 4 others launched at the same time where visible.

[@yansuki4240]

i like how russian "CL" with ice breaker bow has access to heal for tier 8 cruiser. meanwhile german has no access to heal. very balans tovarisch.

[@CloneDAnon]

Neither has Chapayev or Kutuzov access to heal. In fact its extremely easy to blap either one of them even if they are angled. Neither has 1/4th HE pen either nor 4x4 torps.

[@yansuki4240]

@@CloneDAnon key word "ice breaker bow" neither chapayever and kutuzov has those. im talking about new soviet balans ship Pyotr Bagration. she got it allgot all, great guns. excellent concealment, good AA and excellent surviviablity with soviet unique commander and heal. flolo already made vid about it.

[@CloneDAnon]

​@@yansuki4240 TBH Chappy and Kutuzov have ice breaker bows (but its only 25mm). Pyotr Bagration has not been released. Kinda unfair to compare WIP ships to live ships. Also 180mm guns is hardly a light cruiser. In fact Chapayev is the best comparison for Mainz and i can telly you already that Mainz is much better.

[@yansuki4240]

@@CloneDAnon the fact that it already got everything and even access to heal is already BS. im comparing premiums since its a premium ship. no point comparing non premium to premium. atago has heal but it got poor range, armor, gigantic citadel and poor HP. eugen has shit DPM and clumsy asf. it also no access to ice breaker armor. making yolo harder to pull. also has less torpedo power im surprise they release mainz as good german ship.

[@cboelcke694]

P Bagration: "This thing is stupid OP Wargaming wtf!" Mainz: "Fun German ship ty ty."

[@veliostv9089]

It´s a cool thing one of your videos caused an official statement but also nice from WG to let us know they got it on their minds. Keep it up, Flamu :)

[@Paveway-chan]

Germans: ”And they call it a ’Mines’! A Mines!”

[@shinkicker404]

Nice reference.

[@evilwookiee7655]

Great video! Picked up Mainz, absolutely love the ship. In my experience it even uptiers well enough.

[@andrea1854]

When you are an haragumo player and someone says "this cruiser is slow 34knts". Michael Jordan cry meme

[@vtr0104]

Speak for yourself, buddy.... I started the game to play US BBs. Everything is 20 Kts. EVERYTHING!! And if you turn or generally try to evade you're down to 15-13 Kts :((

[@florianbielawa2919]

Last time I checked Harugumo had an engine boost.

[@VuHien2011]

@@vtr0104 BBs are designed to be slower than cruisers. He is talking about a DD that is not faster than a cruiser. The DD is definitively slower than Italian cruisers or French cruisers running speed booster.

[@shoukatsukai]

Imagine playing Harugumo

[@luuk341]

@@shoukatsukai Harugumo is awesome dude. What do you mean

[@Alex-hy9cw]

2:45 I may be a noob but did that torpedo that hit him go through solid island?

[@gardist]

No, it came from a torpedo bomber. If you look closely you can see the torpedo fall into the water for a split second and you can see the AA firing into the direction

[@tim1polman]

Thank you for bringing the desync problem to our (my) attention. I've been frustrated a lot by not hitting anything, while you see the shells land at the middle of the ship. Ofc I'm thinking it has to do with me beeing potato, obviously. But it seemed to happen more than it should. (Rngesus actively rolling against you kind of feeling.) I'll try giving more lead than needed, and see if it gets better.

[@randomguyisme]

Every Flamu video ever: *clicks on Team Score tab at the end of the round* "Team score wise, well...."

[@Depipro]

I like the look of the bottom player on your team list on the results screen: [SINOP] Daddy - IZMAIL Simply for the sense it makes.

[@watchthe1369]

That was a down right greasy torpedo shot, sliding around the rocks like that.

[@owenc2042]

This might be a weird question, but how do you get Wip ships? I would like to test ships but I do not know how to get them

[@sasquatchhadarock968]

A "good" German ship? I smell nerfs coming. Probably just after the sales start to taper down.

[@AdViCro]

Hey Flamuu, great gameplay! I was wondering. You worshiped the fighter here but I felt this thing is more an optical feature since on 17:00 you get 33 planes with your AA and one (1) enemy plane with your fighter. That doesent look to much worth for me smh. Keep up the good work. Cheers.

[@dantesinferno7350]

Flamu: talks about german ship... WG; Time for a nerf comrades, no one may have fun in german ship....

[@garyjones9023]

Congrats on getting WG to recognize desync issue. Well done!

[@quazarKiragon]

not too mention that every BB will be licking its chops as soon as it sees you since your easy citadels at range

[@DubyaD04]

Is this the final version? Or are they planning on re-balancing it after watching your shining praise of this ship?

[@bodasactra]

Great job getting this fixed. It has been frustrating as hell to deal with.

[@83cable]

That desynch thing is a fantastic step Flamu. Thank you for this! ❤️👍🏻

[@xprssn1708]

Hey Flamu, how did you get your wows looking like this? The seas in my game never look this neat. Great vid BTW, I've been contemplating whether or not to buy it.

[@tjzp]

how do you achieve this kind of water effect in Wows? Smooth sea which looks like a mirror?

[@raphiontherocks1591]

I can already hear the swing of the nerf hammer.

[@lennartmeinke8861]

The Mainz is a great ship and very fun to play. I would love to see more German ships that work in a similar way. Because it is based on the hipper, you can actually angle and defend as opposed to most other HE users that are either overpenned or citaled by whatever shoots them. So it becomes more a question of skill

[@Aalliiaass]

"If you are able to master it there will be a lot of good plays out there." No shit Sherlock... The Mainz being so good is the reason we see so many of them out there... Cause many people are above average like flamu and are able avoid getting shredded...

[@dboe1239]

Not to mention 22% torp protection xD Great vid!

[@leops1984]

Pedantic naval historian moment: the features of the Mainz hull appear to have been built by Wargaming on the Prinz Eugen hull. Certain features like the location of the floatplane are the tell.

[@John_McCarthy1]

well, Mainz is WG's rendition of the "Seydlitz class"; the Seydlitz and Lützow were originally planned to be built as CLs with 4 of the German 3-gun 150mm gun turrets seen on both the Königsburg & Leipzig/Nürnberg classes (edited for a spelling & Grammar mistake)

[@justjack5978]

why would you call it good now its going to get nerfed :(

[@matthewtian5486]

wargaming don't nerf released premiums

[@SeraphoftheRoundTable]

@@matthewtian5486 They never said they would never add submarines either.

[@cl4ster17]

@@matthewtian5486 They do but only indirectly through global nerfs or making them irrelevant through powercreep.

[@aijokallen6669]

@@SeraphoftheRoundTable They called off the GC nerf thx to the whiners

[@dragoxphere3341]

The difference is that people pay for premiums

[@GermanYinzer]

Tier VIII cruiser power creep? I mean, how does an Atago compare to this or the Bagration?

[@sirwence9949]

is it sad that im not getting it because I feel its going to be nerfed so whats the point?

[@travelwell8098]

How does one obtain one of these premier captains?

[@Herastheblackwolf]

@Flamu if u have 40mm you got the Eugen armor, if you have the angled 30mm it is the hipper hull.

[@flamedphoenix84]

Good job Flamu, Thank you for getting WG to work on a major issue.

[@jimk8592]

I kept posting your video concerning Desync everywhere in the forums and also in the Q & A session on Discord in hope someone would notice. I wonder how much time it will take for them to fix this.

[@kirkdouglas8827]

I was wondering why I missed a broadside des moine at 7 k, twice.

[@TheGreatBoomy25]

What's a Hipper?

[@erivaneverlast1612]

is that some kind of of water surface mod?

[@2981-l8m]

RIP Mainz, you will be remembered pre-wg buff

[@gsylass]

Nice of WG to finally listen to something... Thanks to you and the other CCs for flying the flag too!

[@mrtickles2129]

Why not go double rudder and play from slightly more distance?

[@Youshinaka]

It looks cool, it's a shame WG doesn't make me want to spend any money.

[@Spookie127806]

How can you know it was your desync vid that caught WG attention?

[@frankvc5899]

When you consider the fact that they removed it from the shop and then had to make it available again, it shows WG true colors They sell a decent german ship and they get surprised that lots of people buy it, creating an artificial rise in its popularity Thankfully, is not an OP premium

[@kagakai7729]

they literally said on the day of removal that they would return it in like a week

[@hirodnazari2720]

They did the exact same thing with Bayard, it's for pricing, don't spread false messages.

[@ShawFujikawa]

Hirod Nazari Have you seen this comment section? It’s a hive of false messages all secretly screaming ‘LIKE ME’.

[@frankvc5899]

Ok, truth be told I did not see that message So ir you want me to apologize, I do But you still can’t neglect that it’s very weird to do that, either for this ship or the Bayard Also, why this CL has worse concealment than Eugen, which itself has less than Hipper? Anyone want to take a guess?

[@redtitan75]

Definitely a premium i enjoy and one of the most fun recently released ship without being game breaking or underwhelming and lutjens is basically tailors made for this ship.

[@TheRobbiUno]

redtitan75 my thoughts exactly about Lütjens

[@word2228]

So did they ever nurf it 🤔

[@Rulusto]

Didn't they remove the mainz from the premium shop after just a few days???

[@bobbyprice1115]

How does this ship compare to the Irian?

[@SWIFTY_WINS]

So I've been playing this game from day 1 of it's official release, and I have a lot of higher tier ships both tech tree and premium. With so much already to choose from in port, the question for me on any new tier 8 premium that gets released is how much of a fun experience can this ship provide in order to stay relevant and actually used by me? Otherwise, as we all know, it isn't hard for a tier 8 premium to become a port queen very quickly with cob webs gathering on it... (Gives a spiteful glance to my Lo Yang and to my Alabama).

[@Ace42x]

I think World of Warplanes has the same issue cropping up randomly and to varying degrees of severity - no latency spikes showing up, but planes warping and hits not registering.

[@grimmshredsanguinus2915]

nooo rename it as mediocre german premium they are gonna nerf it to the ground now

[@Hahlen]

They can’t nerf premiums

[@thelvadam2884]

They can't nerf it anymore

[@saturnascension]

@@Hahlen Wait what,did they change something?

[@Hahlen]

Cor Vorke they’ve never nerfed a premium because people paid for it so it would be kinda shitty to make it worse

[@saturnascension]

@@Hahlen Sorry I was thinking of WoT where they're shitty enough to do that lol

[@Dysphoricsmile]

Mainz has ALMOST Identical AP pen - at every range, as the Kutuzov and Bayard. So while it is not GREAT AP pen, it can and will pen anything that Chapayev, Kutuzov, Irian,or Bayard can pen with AP, but it does 3900 damage instead of 3200 to 3300 AP damage!

[@vtr0104]

I've been noticing this for a while, but how is the water in these replays so.... smooth, and peaceful? I tried a whole bunch of settings on my own install and it never comes out like this. It almost looks like the ships are gliding on it.

[@justtheaesome6058]

Mods that's why

[@GandalfTehGray]

Calm waters mod, available in the WG mod station.

[@vtr0104]

@@GandalfTehGray Much obliged, good Sir, I shall endeavor to look into it and report back.

[@LexisLodge]

can you still buy the ship? i heared they took it off the shop

[@ehabanen]

How can Flamu set the sea so smooth and with so nice reflektions? I have full Grafik settings, but can´t find a way to set this the same way. Is it a mod?

[@MHasnain2663]

It's a mod called clear waters.

[@ehabanen]

@@MHasnain2663 Thanks :)

[@chainah9081]

I consider to buy t8 premium. Mainz or Bayard?and why?

[@Grzegorz_D]

Love this ship❤️ my Smolensk started collecting the dust.

[@stm22]

hi folks, we can i get the water mod like in the video?

[@Elgar7022]

My concern is, how is Hipper supposed to compete with this thing?

[@Brand_212]

WG: Whats that? It a good damage dealer?? Let me make it better!

[@MultiYian]

Flamu talking about bad AA while shooting down the enemy planes quite fast... Me: *cries in Japanese AA*

[@lelekkozje3049]

Its 4k resolution??

[@alinmeleandra3175]

Flamu likes a German ship.... WG: let's hit it with the nerf hammer... ;)

[@Dumb-Comment]

The concealment is 14km now lol

[@domi_1855]

I dont have the Mainz, but i have so meny premiums, im as example happy with my bayard, and ist more my playstyle. Do you Recomend IFHE on the 152mm guns ? or is fires the go an all these ships ?

[@maximumhate666]

DOMI _ You want to have IFHE in everything 180 and smaller. Simply because you won’t do any good up-tier battles. Also fires can be 100% healed and you leave your existence and success to chance.

[@domi_1855]

@@maximumhate666 thank you evry mutch for your opinion. I will check it ^^

[@12Burton24]

@Flamu thx for your help with this desync problem. 👍😘

[@steelblackface]

How does he get the water so calm? I want that modd

[@michaeltanner4404]

I don't think it's a mod, I think it's part of the graphics settings. Sea Rendering Quality, I believe

[@steelblackface]

@@michaeltanner4404 it's a mod I just looked it up. Aslains mod

[@sixx6vi472]

Are the graphics a mod or am I missing something?

[@GandalfTehGray]

SIXX6VI calm waters mod

[@leonard3468]

What's icebreaker?

[@CanuckianSledCult]

I think we've found the new 1 v 1 champion. This thing is great.

[@Subha95]

the thing is can they nerf a released premium ship?

[@helenaprimera516]

So its a same hull, but mainz somehow gets the sekrit icebreaker bow? Wew

[@Amon69it]

What i find baffling in this story is that on an issue like that WG must be made aware of its existence by the community. They should have testers on their payroll for that.

[@NormanZealandMalana]

You've done it now! They're gonna nerf it now!

[@renameduser_109]

I consider premium tier8 cruiser. Among other ship, Should I buy Mainz?

[@D3monL3A1]

When will it be back on the store not much point having a good premium u can't buy

[@TheRedbaron11]

Is it even possible to get a nerf on a released premium?

[@petervanschepen8809]

No stealth, no spotting, no heal... I think I'll pass. I do love the irony that this T8 CL has more functional armor than the T9 Super CA though. That's some quality WG balance for you.

[@shinkicker404]

I been having a lot of fun and good games in this thing. Glass canon is a good descriptor for it.

[@Leptospirosi]

I wonder if the Bayard is still relevant with ships like this available...