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I was wrong about Fulgrim, he isn't a cool guy who got ruined by the Laer blade, he was a terrible from the start...
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[@majorkill]

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[@THCthehempcloud]

Fam, you’re outta control. Fulgrim isn’t the worst. Konrad Curze is. Fulgrim is the most human of all the primarchs and therefore the most relatable. KC is just a psycho. Future seeing Jeff Dahmer in Power Armor.

[@stephenbarrett8861]

@@THCthehempcloud Curze was a psycho and still better than Fulgrim.

[@Jefferu_Nintendomoto]

You could do a series on why all the Primarchs (or at least the traitors) are the worst.

[@THCthehempcloud]

@@Jefferu_Nintendomoto that’s a great idea!!!

[@znalniaskas]

Corpse worshipper detected, opinion rejected!

[@rexlumontad5644]

Roboute Guilliman: "If I had a bolter with two rounds left and I was in a room with Lorgar, Fulgrim and Erebus, *I'D SHOOT EREBUS TWICE!!!"*

[@jeanpierrewesthof928]

And use that bolter to smash whats left of him

[@infidelheretic923]

And then probably fight Fulgrim with your big ass gladius

[@dream-zf1th]

who is Erebus?

[@Gasmask_R3X]

​@@dream-zf1ththe MF that basically started the ENTIRE heresy

[@ramblingcollector3165]

@@dream-zf1th Word Bearer Space Marine who is pretty much responsible for the entire Horus Heresy

[@Eliphas_]

Video idea: How would each Primarch react and rule the imperium, if they were the one to return first instead of Guilliman The Crusade never stops

[@manosbouzoubouzou1386]

Onward with the crusade!

[@RaneStari]

I want to see this.

[@axelcreep9185]

It would be great, if the video also covered uncorrupted traitor primarchs and those who are dead. Some have some pretty weird synergies with the current empire like lorgar loyal faith, or things like mortarion hive worlds.

[@donperez9895]

It's the eliphas crusade!

[@WW-zt1zs]

ELIPHAS OPEN UP A PORTAL

[@faroukshaaban1140]

Fulgrim is that one guy in your family who loves to brag about how awesome he is, but is always stirring up shit at parties .

[@aaahyesname8296]

Accurate

[@wolf2965]

In his case, "stirring up shit" is a bit to literal for comfort...

[@Bellephus]

That's why he's the best.

[@alethiosoratos5455]

I know someone like that 🙂

[@irishspartanstudios]

Yup, I know that guy.

[@themaster1dcp]

Angron was broken, maybe from the very beginning, fulgrim seems like he degraded from something and that's just much more sad.

[@csmrookie9600]

The true tragedy is that, Fulgrim and Ferrus were the true bromance… Sadly Chaos had to screw everything up…

[@admech590]

He's the spoilt college burnout of Warhammer 40k. He was lavished with chocolate and praise when things we're going easy for him, but when things started to get a bit harder, and he realized he's not the perfect snowflake the Big E made him believe he was, he immediately got an identity crisis, blamed everyone else, and descended into a pit of depravity to escape the realization of how shitty he actually was.

[@humanity600]

He definitely degraded. His planet was more or less peaceful and people were always grovelling to him.

[@marthlink5015]

Also Angron as much as he was a fk up traded even with Russ, Saved Lorgar (for better or worse O_0, sneak attacked the sneakiest legion the Ravengard like how does that even happen? and as a Daemon prince is stupidly powerful~ though is stupidly predictable and well, stupid. Fulgrim was a traitor from the beginning because he was only loyal to himself~ and basically just saw the Emperor as some awesome statue that he wanted to be someday.

[@heathenpride7931]

If you think Angron was broken from the beginning you need to read his Primarch book.

[@RedBaronHill1]

Pride destroying Primarchs is a recurring theme in the HH series. I actually liked Fulgrim's books because he only realized his mistake right before his soul was taken over by Slaanesh

[@beowylfen]

That scene was so good

[@widdershins5383]

And then embraced it to take his body back from possession lol huzzah

[@jamesmacken9501]

@@widdershins5383 When a daemon that can trick the likes of primarchs and Eldrad with it's illusions, don't trust anything you see or hear.

[@renevonstarnberg60]

@@jamesmacken9501 Deception by the Daemon also explains why the only 'perfect' primarch clone Fabius could make was of Fulgrim.The attempt to clone Horus didn't work, because Horus' soul was destroyed. The Ferrus Manus clone, so far as I know, was 'imperfect' only in that he wouldn't fall to Chaos (which the real Ferrus wouldn't), but if there was any other imperfections perhaps death had diminished his essence. The rest didn't work, because their souls were still in their bodies (even if a lot of those bodies were daemonic by that point). If we assume the daemon was lying, Fulgrim's soul was still extant and available, which explains why Fulgrim could be properly cloned.

[@TheGabriel1351]

@@beowylfen How it was written in the book, gimme the quote!!!

[@realwaifus5514]

I love how Majorkill’s perspective on Fulgrim and Angron completely flipped to recognise that Angron was tragic because he was fucked from the beginning and Fulgrim was pathetic because he had every reason to not fall.

[@jacobbarham9360]

He found the Laer blade on the 3rd world he conquered and when u consider there is over a million planets in the Imperium each Primark must have conquered/brought into compliance tens of thousands of planets. Fulgrim began his fall to chaos basically immediately

[@braxtongrundy4625]

Yep

[@ilikepigeons6101]

Damn, way to go chief

[@jjwang7597]

Bad RNG

[@shyguy3300]

well he fought alongside Horus quite some time while building up his Legion to full scale befor that but your right, left to his own he really went for that coolaid

[@Buttsmcgee069]

@@shyguy3300It’s less so that he drank the coolaid, and more so that he saw a cool car, liked how the car looked, sat down in said car, only for the car to stick heroin needles in his eyes from a hidden compartment.

[@nobleman9393]

"Never perfect. Perfection goal that changes. Never stops moving. Can chase, cannot catch" - Abathur

[@Bellephus]

Fulgrim was always perfect.

[@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447]

what an awesome quote!

[@beardfistthegoldenone7273]

Didn't know Aba was a philosopher as well as a monstrous abomination.

[@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447]

@@beardfistthegoldenone7273 it's one of his lines from early in the HOTS campaign

[@marthlink5015]

Abathur would be more terrifying than Fabius Bile. D: he also gives absolutely no fucks about his experiments, finds humans disgusting AF, and hates proto-zerg XD

[@nightlordnorris4446]

To be honest I always thought it was kinda funny that Fulgrim strove for perfection because after looking at Sanguinius, I would honestly be like "Shit he got there first." Sanguinius is a literal angel for the Emperor...who sometimes requires blood, but still. Even the Khan loved that man

[@jackmesrel4933]

Eh, he had his moments of weakness, like being insecure about the issues his BA had with the whole Red Thirst, and a bit of selfdoubt cus his wings, while cool af, still meant that he was a mutant, so he definetly wasn't perfect, but that only makes him more likable tbh.

[@nightlordnorris4446]

@@jackmesrel4933 oh, for sure! I agree with you, there. To be honest my biggest concern for the BA was if they or the Space Wolves or the Thousand Suns (or all of them) would have been cast aside, due to their mutations and gene taints. I just think it's funny how the Blood Angels actually grasped the Philosophy Fulgrim was trying to teach: "Embrace imperfection to be perfect." Blood angels could succumb any second the the thirst, but are still seen as Angelic figures of hope and divine assurance, whereas the Emperor's Children is so wrapped up on telling on each other, ranking up, and culling planets in a month for show..that to everyone else, they are unlikable, spoiled brats. I think that kind of speaks volumes as to how imperfect Fulgrim truly was, but didn't want to believe himself.

[@ChaplainPhantasm]

Well...Doesn't the Khan appreciate most of his brothers? While, of course, being pretty overlooked by them as well.

[@Frenchtoastedfruitloops]

@@ChaplainPhantasm Not so much over looked as much as he is just a massive loner since Horus and his other 2 unamed brothers turned/died. Well all appreciated, none of his loyal brothers are all that close to him. All the brothers kinda had their friend groups lol.

[@JohnDoe-zl6qw]

@@ChaplainPhantasm _"Even his brother Primarchs understand little of him. His prowess with the blade earns him their respect even as his waywardness causes them concern. Guilliman has never trusted him. Russ is exasperated by him. Lorgar despises him for an untutored savage. Only Horus sees him for what he truly is. They are kindred souls, those two: warrior archetypes, bound by shared codes of martial honour and impatient with the heavy fetters of empire."_ _- Scars by Chris Wraight_ _"Of all of his brothers, the Khagan found common cause with but a handful. Of these the closest was Magnus the Red of Prospero, for he was also an outcast in the small society of their peers and a man of integrity and brusque honesty. Those few records of the two often note this friendship between two otherwise isolated Primarchs. Horus, who appreciated talent above appearances, also showed some favour to the Khagan, as did Sanguinius who had ever been a statesman and diplomat among his often quarrelsome brothers."_

[@AnimatedTerror]

So this actually makes the fulgrim clone stuck in trazyns collection even more interesting because that one has the memories of the original (he may even have the soul) and that means possibly the clone also remembers all the regret he felt as he was being taken over. Meaning the clone may feel remorse for how he acted beforehand. Meaning if said clone were to escape or be recovered we’d possibly see a fulgrim who got over his own pride. That’d be a cool scene. Loyalist clone fulgrim who’s gone through a personal journey of self help and grown to be a better person, facing down against the original who was lost. It’d be a cool literal representation of fulgrim defeating that dark part of himself and choosing to be better and abandon his childish pursuit of “perfection” in order to help lead and rebuild the imperium alongside his brother and father while they await the return of others.

[@acewmd.]

pffftt, he'd still be a loser with the same flaws as before, just even weaker and with no excuse for being so pathetic, plus he'd have to live with the fact that he is the copy of a strange snake man who got his pride permanently injured by a fossil that called him a wuss. That copy of fulgrim is useless, it's still fulgrim.

[@Bezimienny15150]

I love how this channel has grown, I miss Timmy a little but it was a sacrifice I'm willing to take, keep it coming mate

[@frostyfoster7267]

Timmy was sacrificed to the ruinous powers in order to increase content quality

[@virn333]

@@frostyfoster7267 Timmy is our malcador, always remember

[@manohman8587]

Jokes aside what really happened to Timmy i always loved the many different ways majorkill tortured him 😢

[@turtlehead8386]

It’s fine, I remember Timmy references in some of his vids when he was sacrificed.

[@TheGhjgjgjgjgjg]

@@manohman8587 He was an worthless abhuman and the emperor obliterated his soul just like horus

[@valentineX1X]

Im still advocating for clonegrim to return. The stories they could tell about a primarch level threat on a penance crusade hunting a god damn demon prince sounds pure gold. Plus clonegrim seems to be utterly disgusted at the original so maybe all his fucked up flaws stayed with the original. Give him a squad of custodes to be his handlers and observers and send him into the warp and let the carnage begin, the moments we could get possibly get.. for example him being helped and saved by crow daddy in the warp could add some super spice, or moments where the custodes are debating if they should put him down because they think he might be falling to chaos, moments where slaneesh is trying to tempt him and even seeing him as a superior choice over the original in turn causing the originals arrogance to make him lose his shit over a meme clone thats now being deemed more desirable to his patron god. Just the implications of him rocking up to terra and meeting rawbooty cheekclapperman, being brought to the golden throne and even the general reception by the high lords, astartes and stuff is way more compelling than 99% of what they got going on right now.. Just imagine the Big E giving him orders from upon the throne.

[@aguspuig6615]

THIS, PLEASE, ID GIVE ANYTHING

[@spork2975]

Feel like it would also be cool if Rylanor and Ferrus makes an appearance as members of the legion of the damned.

[@XIII.1337]

very nice ideas very interesting thoughts

[@watts18269]

Is it ever said if the minor warp entity or whatever that was in the original Fulgrim left when he ascended and went to the clone or the warp? Or is that whole thing just speculation anyway?

[@JohnDoe-zl6qw]

Then bump it up to 11 by having Clonegrim sacrifice himself by merging his soul with Demon Prince Fulgrim to save him/redeem him/transform him back into the Primarch he _could_ have been.

[@vontheunknown7982]

Clonegrim would try everything to redeemed the emperor children and himself anyway he can if he ever escape from Traynz the infinite, what do you guys think?

[@scorchedamber]

Clonegrim has the exactly same personality flaws though. He would just despair at his failure to redeem the present-day emperor's children and find some other way to screw up.

[@thecommentguy9380]

Nah they too far gone bro. Especially those noise marines

[@rexlumontad5644]

@@scorchedamber Plus the Imperium would try to take him out and Slaanesh would want him corrupted or dispatched by Daemon Primarch Fulgrim

[@_NutcasE_]

@@scorchedamber well I wouldnt consider being manipulated by a chaos sword to be a personality flaw clonegrim and og fulgrim everytime he got a fraction of clarity from the sword were both very disgusted with his actions and what fabulous bile was doing to the Emperors children.

[@_NutcasE_]

It would tickle my narrativebone to see Corrupted EC being matched by clonegrim with new Primaris EC just to rub in that their sense of perfection was corrupted.

[@aguspuig6615]

"Perfection is not a state of being, its a state of striving" Og Fulgrim had alot of potential and wisdom... A shame how they treated him, its not even tragic like angron, its just written without respect and a huge waste of potential..

[@silversurfer8818]

Fulgrim: “Going from the pursuit of perfection in all things to ultimate depravity isn’t a journey anybody makes in one step, it’s a series of small ones - each one justifiable in its own isolated way. But after you’ve taken a hundred of those small steps, you’re a long way from who you were at the start.” “In all things we strive to eradicate weakness, but it is not weakness to ask for help, my brothers. It is weakness to deny that help is needed. To fight on without hope when there are those who would gladly lend a hand is foolish, and I have been as blind as any to this, but no more.” "Fulgrim had always preferred love to fear. Love was stronger. Fear could be conquered, but love - never. It waned and swelled, but it never truly faded. He had made himself loved on Chemos. And he would do the same here. The primarch sank to one knee and reached down to help Telmar's victim to his feet. The man stared at him with mingled fright and awe, his mouth working soundlessly. Fulgrim smiled and stood. 'I came from nothing,' he said, fixing his sons with a steady gaze. 'I scrabbled in the quarry pits, and down in the deepest mines, carrying buckets on my shoulders because the ascender blew a gasket,' he said. 'I broke my fingernails on raw ore, and grew blisters from heat and labour. You look down on them, blind to the beauty of their struggle. Blind to what they might become, if only someone would scrape the filth from their faces.' He reached down and lifted a child onto his shoulders. The girl laughed and clapped, unafraid of the giant, even as her mother wept. Fulgrim indicated the crowd. His voice had driven many of them to their knees. 'Look at them, my sons. You are the highest, and they, the lowest. It is your duty to raise them up, as high as they will go. Anything less is not worthy of you.'"

[@jooot_6850]

I mean that’s a pretty awesome speech. Too bad he didn’t really practice what he preached though..

[@Idras74]

Bro faker than a Sudanese Rolex he doesn't practice anything he preaches

[@De_La_Evo]

if only

[@lorddashdonalddappington2653]

Fulgrim: master of public relations. Yeah one of the things noted in the video is that he always had a thin disguise of generosity, humility and good humour that was very easy to shatter if his ego was challenged.

[@berilsevvalbekret772]

@@lorddashdonalddappington2653 to be fair he really REALLY wanted to be what he preached. He was just really bad at it. Mounting insecurities didn't help.

[@lamule232]

I would say that Mortarion was far, far worse in addition of being a hypocrite. He wanted to be the hero that would save his planet from the evil sorcerer lords but ended up having to be rescued by the big E. Instead of being thankful to his father for saving his live, he resented him. Then when he was introduced to his legion he erased all of their history in an instant and replaced it with stinky chemical warfare. Horus was able to sway him easily by telling him that he could be the hero by defeating their psyker tyrant father. So he decided to become a traitor and found himself in the same side than Magnus and Lorgar. The side of tyrants and warp sorcery. Having tasted the fruits of betrayal and finding them bitter, he then tried to make a sub-faction with the Khan, betraying Horus. When the Khan refused he re-joined Horus side, betraying the Imperium again. Finally, he ended up stranded in the warp inside of Nurgle’s domain. He proceeded to betray his legion and all of his beliefs in fighting sorcery to escape the eternal pain. Selling his soul and the soul of his sons to become a tyrant, a psyker and a demon of the warp. Everything he had always been fighting against. Now instead of being a hero he is a demon primarch full of hypocrisy and shit and his legion is made of bloated diseased corpses. Be careful when fighting monsters, you might become a monster yourself.

[@Liethen]

Always wondered what would have happened if the Kahn had taken his offer, and then Perturabo joined them after getting fed up with Horus.

[@daltonbecker4494]

@@Liethen Shoot Perturabo and Mortarion turning renegade but not falling to chaos would be scary. Shoot those two seem like they would get along pretty well. And they play to each other's strengths.

[@Liethen]

@@daltonbecker4494 or their victim complexes would conflict with each other or feed each other

[@synergy8879]

idk man on the hypocrites list, no, and i mean no one, is higher then the space wolves.

[@paimonisfood4986]

@@synergy8879 still Mortarion is a bigger bitch about it than Leman. Leman did not understand the warp that's why he hated it, Mortarion had every reason to know what he was doing.

[@rexlumontad5644]

Fulgrim: "I hear you do strange things to your ships." Jaghatai Khan: "I hear you do strange things to your warriors." All Primarchs: *"DAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!"*

[@blacklighthologram5339]

Magnus: I hear you do strange things to your wolves. Leman Russ: I hear you do strange things to your book. Lorgar to Magnus: I understand how you feel brother.

[@grimgoreironhide9985]

I heard in Smokeys and Craig’s voice from Friday. When DJ Poot revealed the black eye he got from Deebo.

[@jasonravenscroft5321]

Keep in mind this was long before Fulgrim's corruption, Jaghatai was just making fun of Fulgrim for trying to cure his Legion's defects

[@manohman8587]

"I heard you do strange things to your son's "

[@robfromjersey7899]

Sickest burn since Prospero.

[@joncarter3761]

I still hope the perfect loyal clone of Fulgrim will somehow find his way to the Imperium, it would be very interesting and might get ol demon snake to stop tantruming in the warp!

[@myself2noone]

Probably inspired by Commodus at least in part. Born to the purple. Vain, Narcissistic saw himself as a grate warrior. Hell Rylanor might as well be straight out of the movie Gladiator. "And I will have my vengeance in this life or the next..."

[@KyrieFortune]

Can't wait for the bit where he's killed by being strangulated by a gladiator in the toilets (that's how the real Commodus died)

[@PelinalDidNothingWrong]

Really hope 10th edition gives us new Emperor's Children models and a new Daemon Prince Fulgrim model. I'd love to have a Slaanesh army!

[@yonahsefchovich5931]

I literally just finished one of the Fulgrim books myself yesterday. Same thoughts basically. He was a lousy Primarch before the sword and then immediately fell to the blade like within a super short amount of time. I had a similar issue with Horus’s fall, where it seemed so quick and easy. We are reminded constantly that they are god tier intellectuals, unbreakable will power and what not. Yet they’re also fucking stupid. Horus sees that Erebus is manipulating him….and he still chooses to side with him over his OWN BROTHER Magnus. Like wtf? And then fulgrim realizes that the sword is basically toxic on more than one occasion but still decides to use it. Like how are these guys the god tier men we are supposed to believe they are. The writing is a bit weird to me.

[@jackmesrel4933]

Blame GW for having multiple writters do the same primarch, in some cases we got good writting for primarchs like Konrad and the Lion, other times we get Angron and Fulgrim.

[@wephilips6651]

It’s also a bit lame to lean so much on a dagger wound for Horus and a weapon for fulgrim in terms of why they were corrupted…not illogical just a bit underwhelming and relatively dull to read about. They both turn too quickly also

[@holla6714]

@@wephilips6651 well it wasnt the dagger for horus but the rites to heal the wound

[@adrienwatson2179]

Yeah, Fulgrim was a dick long before thr Laer Blade

[@brunonunez7228]

...buddy, sorry to warn you, but they fell because they are human? The entire franchise recalls how chaos is the worst of poisons and can corrupt a person, chaos takes advantage of weaknesses in their character to corrupt and bring them down. And then you come to me, completely ignoring the above information, and criticize how a guy with an ego the size of Mars and who has always sought perfectionism cannot get rid of a sword that is not only described as being an incredible weapon but that seduces its bearer ? I don't say that Horus' heresy is perfect, Horus himself from what little I have read has the problem that the character was first thought of and then remembered that he had to betray the emperor. But the fall of fulgrim is totally in line with his character.

[@carlothecoffeeguy3778]

Primarchs are proof that a healthy relationship with your father is more helpful than any superpowers

[@rangerunner6274]

Fulgrim is the prime example of why an eldar should not be a primarch

[@Pyre]

Said this on the Loyalist clone video I think, but @8:55 This remains one of my favorite bits of art in 40k, because it's a fan theory. Namely the idea that Fulgrim could, if he could muster the desire, free himself of daemonic corruption through determination alone. The piece is called A Bit of Willpower. Not really supported per everything this video is describing, but it's nice to imagine. I've been following this channel for something like 2 years. The opening of this video is the most heartwarming friggin' thing. Good on you, Majorkill.

[@ZeroONeal]

Clongrim showed what reflection and admittance can do for him and the absolute glory he would be. Humbled yet set on his goal to rise those up who can't do so themselves.

[@entropicflux8849]

a thing to remember when astartes fall to chaos: it's usually NOT about willpower, except when resisting a brute-force possession attempt or mind-to-mind contact. it's usually more about chaos exploiting a character trait the individual possesses: love of beauty seems like a virtue, but i bet it really gives you a penalty to your ability to resist certain forms of slaaneshi corruption. when we're talking about demi-gods, it's not their weakness that makes them fall but the strength of a lop-sided virtue. sarumon in LotR didn't become evil because his will was eroded by sauron. he became corrupt because his love of order and his desire to create and craft led him to believe he was worthy to control others. it's virtue that makes people fall, not sin.

[@De_La_Evo]

this It's honestly all about circumstance

[@adeleinetheartist8267]

Pride is a sin, not a virtue.

[@eotwkdp]

@@adeleinetheartist8267Ehh a little bit of pride is good you have the balance it.

[@adeleinetheartist8267]

@@eotwkdp No! Actually, even a little bit of pride is bad. A little bit of pride is not good. Pride is not good. You do not believe that pride is a sin.

[@eotwkdp]

@@adeleinetheartist8267 it’s better than sloth and a no will. Actually what is similar to pride like the pride you take in when cleaning your room to a spotless extent

[@alexanderimmortal4354]

He still has the coolest design

[@alfieingrouille1528]

Morty looks cooler

[@Bellephus]

Fulgrim has easily the coolest design, both pre and post heresy.

[@connyslayer4661]

Honestly, alot of them look Damn Cool. Fulgrim has one of the most Coolest designs but Konrad, Jaghatai Khan, The Lion and Morty are some of my favorites. Them and their factions have some of the most Coolest, Stylish and badass designs ever. Some of the others have a classic heroic design which i also appreciate.

[@alfieingrouille1528]

@@Bellephus eh yes purple and gold armour with the white basis looks cool but he kind of looks like a beta test for the final design of sanguinise and his snake is kind of super generic

[@connyslayer4661]

@@Bellephus He is easily one of the coolest designs for sure. I absolutely love the combination of Dark Pink, Purple and Gold well done to compliment the flamboyant but also beautifully dangerous designs.

[@quintonstevens3685]

Fulgrim being worse than Angron is a spicy take that I completely agree with, Angron had implants messing his head up Fulgrim had no excuse.

[@Iceisnice1]

Usually I love Majorkill, but this might be the worst take on Fulgrim I've ever heard, and that's saying something. Every action Fulgrim took and every thought he ever had is being interpreted in the worst way possible, and then some. "Fulgrim is insecure." That doesn't make him a bad primarch. It makes him a relatable, more human primarch. "Fulgrim immediately knelt before the Emperor." Yeah. Just like Sanguinius did. "Byzas was pretty happy to join the Imperium." I'm sorry, what? Pandion, the declining ruler who was barely clinging on to power, was pretty happy to join the Imperium. Literally every other faction was not. "Fulgrim realized he dun goofed by not accepting the deal from the Sabezian Brotherhood." Correct. Again, that shows remorse. An ability to recognize his mistakes. Making a mistake and realizing it makes for a much more compelling character than one who never makes any mistakes. "Fulgrim was inefficient about the way he took Byzas." So he was rushing it by agreeing to the deadline of one month, but also too slow because he didn't display overwhelming force to encourage a quick surrender. Well, which one is it? Regardless, Fulgrim *did* take Byzas in a month, with only 6 space marines. He was vain, yes, but he was also immensely competent to accomplish such a feat. "Fulgrim was baited and nearly killed by a nuclear bomb due to his arrogance." While this is true, Fulgrim also dismantled said bomb by literally stabbing it to death. Which is metal af. "Fulgrim screwed up the Cleansing of Laeran." This might be the worst offender on this already impressive list. The Laer were indeed an incredibly advanced race that the Imperium thought were not worth fighting because it would take many years and at least 3 legions. Fulgrim did it in one month, with his one legion, which was still much smaller than most other legions at the time (11,000 marines), and he only lost 700 marines in doing so. 700 marines is no joke, but compared to the estimated casualties, Fulgrim's pursuit of the Laer campaign was unbelievably successful. "Fulgrim promoted Eidolon and Julius." Okay, yeah, I can't defend that. "Fulgrim promoted Fabius." - If you've just read the Palatine Phoenix, you'd see that at the time, Fabius wasn't quite the monster he later became, considering his interactions with the people of Byzas, including the mutants. He was eccentric, unsociable, a shut-in and a workaholic, but still the best person for the job of trying to cure the Emperor's Children's terminal cancer and their foremost apothecary. Who else was Fulgrim supposed to promote to Chief Apothecary? Furthermore, one of the reasons Fulgrim took Fabius on the expedition to Byzas was to encourage him to socialize more with his fellow legionaires. Basically to get out and see some sunlight. Which leads me to my next point: Fulgrim also cares about his sons. He was angry with himself for not being there for them while they were being, and I quote, "expended like bullets". He wonders how many he could have saved if he was found earlier. And that's not even going into the most famous excerpt from his primarch novel, which I'm sure many of you are familiar with, about how he wanted to lift everyone up, not just himself. My point is, Fulgrim was deeply flawed to be sure. But he is an interesting and very nuanced character, with many positive traits. And just like his greatest son, Rylanor, he deserves better than all of us. I highly recommend watching Baldermort's video on Fulgrim if you want to learn what he was truly all about.

[@jamesmacken9501]

Even promoting Julius and Eidolon can be excused, Eidolons biggest mess up was the Murder campaign that occured after his promotion and even then he twisted the truth when reporting back to Fulgrim to make himself look better. There isn't much of an issue with Julius, pre-corruption he was a bit of a book worm that sucked up to Fulgrim a bit too much

[@justinweber4977]

My favorite description of Rylanor's last stand. "Imagine being such a shit person that your own allies are willing to die just to inconvenience you."

[@ultimatebobafett130]

Now I want to see the gigachad meme buts it's Rylanor The Ancient of Rites.

[@lamule232]

It's weird to hear this after Baldemort's video on him. We have 2 very different views of Fulgrim here :)

[@SinisterMe]

Baldermort's is based off the lore of him, this is based off the books. The Writers really do a shit job with Fulgrim which just helps cement this generalized view of him.

[@aguspuig6615]

Honestly baldemorts take is way richer and more interesting, but also more velibable, the books just make him dumb by default and flawed for no reason, and everyones flaws have a reason

[@aguspuig6615]

@@SinisterMe THIS some writters treat him like a stereotype and just add more and more flaws without context. This needs more atention, Fulgrim to me has the most wasted potential out of all the primarchs

[@jamesmacken9501]

@@SinisterMe Nah, Baldermort clearly takes both into account. He references the books to much in his video to really say otherwise.

[@riolufan2249]

God, Laer lore makes me really want them as an army

[@genderconfusedwolffromshre8914]

they are interesting, i'd like to see them too.

[@AngerOfTheLand]

Just started book 15, challenged myself to read the entire heresy and seige of terra. It gets harder after fulgrim, you want to read more of the core story, but keep getting "other" chapter novels that build up to the main story, but they are also in multiple books, so its ALOT of bouncin from this character to that to this, back to that. Haven't really disliked any so far. Descent of Angels starts out so weird, like a warhammer fantasy novel, but it pays off after a while, Fallen Angels last chapter/epilogue fk'in got me good.

[@beowylfen]

I kinda like Descent of Angels more before the marines were in it

[@NornQueenKya]

I actually feel bad for Fulgrim. He was a loving brother who actually cared about his siblings AND the average mortal citizen. That dumb sword changed all that. Now he's just a fumbling idiot. To be fair though, his trolling of guilliman when he came back was hilarious

[@thecommentguy9380]

Too bad his prank failed

[@robertnelson9599]

His ego was what made him fall. I doubt that blade would have worked on most of the other Primarchs (except Lorgar).

[@rocketlaunch99]

did you even watch the f0kin video?

[@bryanmcloud4121]

It makes sense that the blade could corrupt him, as Majorkill explained. Fulgrim was weak in mind, emotion, and character. He was horribly egocentric, but at the same time incredibly insecure. He had no inner strength to speak of and it showed in who he supported and uplifted. Weak corrupt men will always support other weak corrupt men.

[@erwannthietart3602]

@@robertnelson9599 actually Ego is one of the biggest flaws of nearly all primarch, only rarely are the primarch actually humble Fulgrim just happen to be the one that was most arrogant, and it wasnt even for no reason since he was indeed extremely talented in spite of everything

[@Eleven217]

I don't remember Fulgrim STARTING Byzas' rebellion to make it more interesting. I do remember taunting an *already* existing rebellion into making a move (and almost backfiring).

[@rexlumontad5644]

Fulgrim and Ferrus Manus are Space Griffith and Space Guts in a nutshell.

[@zekramnordran9526]

Pretty much lmao lets hope Guts gets to keep his head tho

[@MarkOfAstria]

I really liked the scene where Fulgrim told the sculptor that he wants to be an artist too, but had to realize that his art isn't very good. It's one of the most human primarch moments. It's a shame that he didn't learn anything from that experience.

[@holla6714]

The scenes with the sculptor are really good in the whole book, also every time fulgrim is there he beats him as an artist, morally and intellectually. Fulgrim had to resort to the only thing he had over him to feel better, strenght. That man didnt have to go like that.

[@MarkOfAstria]

@@holla6714 Honestly in another story, this could've made a great character arc. That fact that it ended up just being an opportunity for Fulgrim to show how much of a dickhead he is, makes it feel like wasted potential.

[@ZackSavage]

@@MarkOfAstria Everything about fulgrim is. GW were all over the place with his writing. Sometimes saying that he was capable of overtaking horus and sanguinius. then contradicting that with rushed plot points.

[@MusMasi]

@@holla6714 Fulgrim really was one of the biggest asshole primarches.

[@casketbase7750]

The thumbnail of this video feels like the culmination of Majorkill's character arc.

[@guardsmenedwin6213]

Part 2 for Urda. I will not stop lord Mayorkill.

[@Schwartzbruder1]

Fulgrim had the laer blade when he gave Fabius the green light yo use the xenos DNA and parts. It was after they wiped out the laer and started looking at their bodies when Faubus approached Fulgrim with the proposition.

[@thelion2751]

The funny thing is that the fulgrim we know in 40k is a retcom,in the first was fulgrim trapped in his body been controlled by the demon suffering seeing how his body kill ferrus etc but later out nowhere! GW make in a conversation make fulgrim said in short "yeah no that demon i killed I was the one doing everything",the worse primarch that would be mortarion because "i didn't kill my father? Well i am getting salty for years and just betray the imperium for nothing!"

[@DarkSamael55]

Yeah the retcon kinda succed big time for me. It was much more tragic with him being a prisoner in his own body.

[@holla6714]

@@DarkSamael55 he tricked the deamon to get his body back and put the deamon in the painting right?

[@justastandardplaguemarine4286]

Mortarion turned traitor because he saw the emperor as the same as the tyrants that oppressed barbarus. His rocky meeting with the emperor didn’t help but it wasn’t THE reason he turned.

[@thelion2751]

@@holla6714 no,it one of the books fulgrim said that he "kill off" the demon and all what happen like the death of ferrus it was him

[@thelion2751]

@@justastandardplaguemarine4286 well corvus saw him as a tyrant too and didn't throw a fit about it

[@Jdne199311]

We wouldnt know how exactly Angron would have been without the nails, we do know how Fulgrim was without the blade.

[@rexlumontad5644]

Angron: "HAH! I'M NOT THE CRAPPIEST PRIMARCH TO GET DUNKED ON BY MAJORKILL ANYMORE!"

[@vidgrod695]

Pretty sweet to see your channel growing so much, good luck with the minis bud

[@bogansrun]

Roane Deepers... There's no man more qualified to make that video...

[@FiauraTheTankGirlGamer]

As a hardcore Slaaneshite who found this video 5 months later and sees it as unrepentant Fulgrim slander: "No you right, he a bitch."

[@RaVNeFLoK]

He mortally wounded guilliman taking him out of the equation for 10.000 years- requiring plot armor and an alliance between elder and imperium to even get him back (which was a bloody miracle). He killed Ferrus manus in single combat resulting in the shattering of the iron hands forever after. That’s two primarchs ganked. Guilliman out when the empire needed him the most and the iron hands annulled as a cohesive force. What did angron do again?

[@jamesmacken9501]

Fulgrim started a rebellion against the ruling bodies of Chemos, a successful rebellion... unlike Angron

[@SlaaneshM30]

Didn't snort cocaine while sieging Terra.

[@RaVNeFLoK]

@@SlaaneshM30 Angrons total impact on the 40k setting is zero (rounded up).

[@ashblaeds]

Congrats on the growth!

[@TRJenizen]

Bro how moves! Grats on the models and production!!

[@youknow_nothing]

I like how you kind of redeemed Angron and Perturabo in previous videos, showing the good things of each one but Fulgrim is like "nah bro, he is to much of a asshole for that" I am happy for you Majorkill, i have been following your videos for the last year or so, so seeing that you got to grow that much is amazing! Greetings from Argentina!!

[@aguspuig6615]

40k is so inconsistent, in some stories fulgrim is noble and smart, but certain writters portray him as vanity driven and dumb, to a point were its contradictory. Depending on what you read you could legitimately argue hes the best and the worst primarch. Im jush sad some primarchs get the multifaceted character treatment while others are shoved into a stereotype, usually the traitors

[@YvraineSimp]

really excited to see your growth bruve

[@starlightglimmer3260]

Its nice to see you expanding your little hobby business im not really into 40k but gonna buy something to support you

[@alfieingrouille1528]

Majorkill you should make a video how you would personally rewrite the horus heresy/primarchs

[@Asraeks]

Bullshit. He was more influential on the setting than most primarchs

[@jaredbrady5566]

Congrats on the Mini stuff bro. Sounds awesome

[@xTheIceKinGx]

Dude I've been following your channel for years now and it really sounds like you're taking your career to the next level. Amazing work, love your content!

[@baseupp12]

Day 18 of asking for a video on Perpetuals in Warhammer 40k and their current locations or status.

[@lolbots686]

As clonegrim came back,fabious looked to the clone "So,you escaped. Has the fool noticed?" "...i was willingly set free. But that aside i came for another reason." Fabious sneered,he could read the clone easly "You have something in mind for me." Fulgrim nodded "I do. And i require one of the greatest minds still sane in this hellhole to help." "What use would i be to you?" "....restarting the emporors children." Fabious looked at clonegrim,in geniune surprise "Your mad. The inperium wont take you back." "No. It wont. But i refuse to allow my legion to be the servants of that abomination. And besides...ive changed quite a lot i think." "...my answer is no,fulgrim. The emporors children can die for all i care. Its not like were lasting long then anyway" "Then tell me.....would this convince you?" Clonegrims hand glows in shimering blue fire,and with his sword,touched fabiouses pauldrons,the blue fire imolating him but...theres no pain. But warmth. Purity. Grief. Fabious felt something unknown to him for millenia. Life. Geniune,life. "What...did you do." "My power. I have learned,or rather rediscovered the ability to cleanse those within my presence,of there suffering, physical and spiritual." "...why me though? As i recalled i had performed many a brutal experiment." Fulgrim smiled. "Because without your knowledge,we would have been long gone. And besides. This request to help was not mine alone" Fabious was silent. Looking at his work,then to fulgrim,he nodded. ".....well then. Lets get started. But i have one condition." "Name it." "Promise me. Swear to me here and now that the creature in your flesh will die." Fulgrim put a hand to fabiouses pauldron "I swear to you,chief apothecary fabious bile. That creature will pay a trillion fold for what it did to poison us."

[@KingofAwesomness14]

i respect the work grind my dude, you keep earning those subscribers.

[@alistarofthevoid9624]

Absolutely love the calendar my man well worth the wait

[@minhducnguyen9276]

Fulgrim is insanely powerful, and even more so as a deamon prince because out of all traitors primarchs he was amongst the most willingly to join Chaos. Fortunately for the Imperium, his lack of commitment and concentration always sabotaged everything he does. On the other hand, this was also the reason why he felt to Chaos in the first place. Despite his talents, Fulgrim was never commited to pursuit a single discipline making him always falling behind compared to other primarchs who might be less talented but more hardworking.

[@CDSAfghan]

Mortarion: Are you sure about that?

[@justinweber4977]

A video idea: How would things go if the Emperor only ever recovered a single Primarch. You could get a series of you wanted to really milk the idea and do a video for each Primarch, or one longish video.

[@ronttiflfkf7712]

Man is 2k away from 400k subs nice work you came a long way keep up the work 👍

[@tabe8850]

1:07. Hilarious! Great stuff Mr. Major.

[@manohman8587]

I always thought he had a bit of jealousy for sanguinius seeing him as something he could never be

[@minuette1752]

Oddly enough I love Fulgrim even more now.

[@Bellephus]

As you should.

[@genderconfusedwolffromshre8914]

same, i can kinda relate to him, i always envisioned him as this..."shittier" Sanguinius and as a flawed individual who has "nothing more" than his looks. And yes this is how i like Fulgrim xd...but also him being bros with ferrus for a while also makes him likeable to me...and lets not speak about his dope ass design.

[@connyslayer4661]

I agree, i love him more actually , since this makes him more complex, flawed and interesting individual that had alot of great traits/merits but also had alot of flaws that he needed to look after. Fulgrim reminds me of those Classic flawed hero characters that turned to the Darker side because of several reasons and circumstances that made them fully realize their other sides etc.

[@thadz2493]

Yes inquisitor this man right here

[@doombeake8503]

ay bro, congratulations on the business expansion. You've come a long way from where you started, keep up the amazing work

[@scrapinator8910]

Watching your channel go from short shit post videos to you having your own high quality mini production side hustle is pretty surreal. This ameritard is proud of your accomplishments.

[@rexlumontad5644]

3:03 Not only that, Trazyn the Infinite stole a cargo ship full of fresh Emperor's Children geneseed to be a part of his collection. And later on, he gave them to Fabius Bile as part of the trade for Clone Fulgrim.

[@thecommentguy9380]

Takes a scam for a greater scam

[@RobouteGuilliman-M41]

Well, that blows my image of Fulgrim. As for "competent", let's not forget how the "Lion" was stupid enough to give the Iron Warriors super weapons, and how he's responsible for signalling the Tyranids to attack the Galaxy.

[@mrman9977]

Honestly, watch the video Baldermort made about him and you will get it back.

[@RobouteGuilliman-M41]

@@mrman9977 I'll look, but this is one of those "once you see it, you can't un-see it" type of situations.

[@mrman9977]

@@RobouteGuilliman-M41 I'm not so sure, just because he says it does not mean it's the truth, only his view on things. I found his views in this video to be very shallow, only analyzing the outer layers of Fulgrim's character, as well as only going with bad writing, instead of looking at the lore. He completely ignores his positive sides, only looking as well as enhancing the negatives.

[@onederful6630]

Bro is making major moves ❤️ keep up the great work brother

[@GTMcNabb]

Really good to see you succeeding in your business

[@blackjacklover99]

NOTICE! Since you made Seth‘s video about warp entities that aren’t aligned with chaos. I’d like to propose a video idea of my own. About what remains of and references to ‘our’ era and earlier things from earth in the time of 40K. That’s something I’ve been interested in for a long time. PS: Majorkill please tell me if you see this comment. So I know the idea is in your head.

[@XIIIphobos]

video idea: If Chaos hadn’t gotten involved, how would’ve the culling of the Primarchs that Big E and Malcabro were planning gone down?

[@harrisonhurst6480]

I don't think the Culling would have been needed. He had rooms for all of the primarchs on Terra, and they would have stayed there and been exactly what the Emp. Would have wanted for them. Konrad would have been in charge of law, justice, and order within the imperium, G-Man would have been the regent. Without Chaos taking the Primarchs away from the Emperor, things would have worked out a lot better.

[@AverageJoe19848]

Good on you MK! The 3D stuff at the beginning is really cool.

[@benitomartinez2106]

I just want to say congratulations all the new setup and having your first full-time employee. That always starts off small and then can expands into something great I hope and wish the best for you in the future

[@hercules2342]

Can we get a video about all the first captain during the Horus Heresy? We got so many kool guys like Julius Kaesoron, Marius Gage, Jubal Khan, Jago Sevetarion, Kor Phaeron, Raldoron, Ahzek, Typhon, Artemis Numeon, Ezekiel Abaddon to name a few.

[@Lootmothgaming]

Video idea: what if the traitor primarchs remained loyal and the loyalists all became the traitors with the lion as the traitor war master instead of Horus?

[@bastiangalleguillos508]

Maybe sanguinius

[@darko-man8549]

I really hated the way they wrote Fulgrim. It was written in a way of “okay, we know he got here, but how? Ah, let’s take the easiest route” I do disagree on some levels with you, there are aspects of him that were well done and should have been latched onto more. The layer blade just made it worse wroting. Especially the part where Fulgrim goes “ah well, I’ve gone this far, let me just let the demon inhabit me” It’s like whoever wrote Fulgrim read a lot Slaanesh memes and went from there.

[@user-ht2ew2qr1j]

Just got into 40K and learning the lore from old material. You’re great at giving perspective from the other side of the coin.

[@trentlewis9923]

Love the vids man. Got an idea for a video in the future. Loyalist World eaters don’t get a lot of attention and they’re pretty badass would love to see them get some recognition.

[@tommasocreatini2513]

Konrad's fall is the most tragic in my opinion

[@AndE667]

What about Lorgar's?

[@mkno2799]

A video about Typhus's and mortartion's relationship please.

[@danieleales3759]

Really loving your mini range. Looking forward to seeing what you develop next and REALLY fucking hoping it's a Space Skeleton Cryptomancer...

[@redlcn]

I wish to preemptively wish you congrats on achieving 400K subscribers. You're a hair's breath away! May it be 400k more!

[@PelinalDidNothingWrong]

Fulgrim is that one uncle we all have that just likes to start drama for fun

[@kharnthebetrayer2242]

Agreed great vid

[@fixituplefty3730]

I may not be a tabletop player, but if I were I’d heavily consider getting some from you. Congrats on being able to upscale the MajorMinis.

[@DarthBane22]

Would love to see a breakdown on Imperium Naval vessels. So many different classes.

[@oJackOfSpades]

Tbh I dislike when characters are made one dimensional for the purpose of being easy to hate them. Rather I would've much preferred Fulgrim to be as noble and majestic as said, a incredible tactician etc. This would indeed make his more interesting and harder to hate, it would also create ambivalence around hating him for what he is while also hoping for a redemption arc.

[@isaachastings2550]

Cool video. You should do one about what kind of person you are based on what army you have.

[@chaptermastermarneuscalgar6926]

13:04 The Lion might have been a good leader and a competent commander on the battlefield, but outside of the battlefield he's a bit of an introvert. Long story short The Lion is jealous of Luther's skills as a diplomat and Luther is jealous of The Lion's abilities as a warrior, this is the rift that caused the Dark Angels Legion to split in two.

[@goshfather9024]

Congrats on the new mini website super excited

[@Crusaderking24]

Rare major kill L Fulgrim definitely isn’t the worst primarch. In fact the pitiful fall makes me like him more. The ridiculous pride, arrogance and pursuit for perfection. Only for clonegrim to despair and be disgusted at his own fall makes it more perfect.

[@Liethen]

I'd like a road to redemption arc story for clonegrim. Have him escape, then have a book or series as he travels the galaxy, trying to make a difference, while examining himself in detail, lots of introspection, identifying his flaws, accepting that he has them, working to overcome them and become a more mature and mentally healthy man. Basically the phoenix gets a slowburn rebirth.

[@adrienwatson2179]

Yeah but he literally never jad any redeeming qualities

[@WW-zt1zs]

Here is my idea for a video in some Future - how many Legions should Imperium have in order to make Crusade the most efficent ? Not counting the facts that come outside of Warhammer lore and some tinfoil hat theories - I always thought the biggest logical problem of Horus Heresy is that...there are really just too many Legions. Too many unhinged berserkers, corrupted geneseeds and edgelord Primarchs. To me you really should make three that are tight focused on their jobs. 1. Combine Luna Wolves, Ultramarines, Dark Angels and Salamanders into one chapter - Conquering and Converting Legion. These were the most efficent guys in getting out there, f uping the opposition, setting up a new government and going to the next planet. You give that Salamanders angle for charisma , you give Guilliman or Lion a role of this rational Diplomat or just Warmaster that will kick arse if necessery, he will do his papers and do the right thing. 2. Combine Iron Warriors, Imperial Fist, Iron Hands and Death Guard as Siedging and Fortifing Legion. These would deal with guys that just won't quit and need their heavy slap. Legion made specifically just for destruction opposition and buliding world's made purely for combat enemies of men. Give that legion to either Rogal, Ferrus, Vulkan or Perty (if you TAKE CARE of his eye of terror problem and hug him few times) 3.Combine Alpha Legion, Raven Guard and White Scars as your Patrolling and Sabotaging Legion. Give this guys a job if you want more subtle approach. Hijacking enemy planets, using xenos to your advantage, taking enemies out without them knowing or generally observing / Patrolling some world's for Future conquest. You give that job to...I don't know....Corax or Khan I guess? Maybe Alpharius just make sure he knows what's right. Three Giant super focused Legions with sane , loyal Primarchs . No edgelords like Horus or Fulgrim or Morty, no wildcards like Konrad or Angron that are just ticking bombs, no useless Lorgar . I guess it would be a shame to not have Sanguinius or Leman but geneflaws are too risky. If you need Magnus to sit on the throne juice him up and lobotomize. No need for Emperors Children (Bad geneseed and lazy), Space Wolves (Bad Geneseed, Unhinged), Blood Angels ( Bad Geneseed), Night Lords (Criminals? Unfocused and Unstable), World Eaters (Unhinged), Word Bearers (Anti-religious or religious Zealots are useless here) and Thousand Sons (Psykers in Imperium? With severe mutations? Really?) Curious what you think.

[@robertdodds7737]

Warhammer lore tuber, businessman. I love your gritty content for 40K lore, but good for you, buddy! Keep crushing branching out!

[@goblinpyldryver]

Fulgrim killing Ferrus is where he drew the line...there was no going back after that...