How did the Emperor Create the Primarchs? | Warhammer 40k Lore

[@majorkill]

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[@Maskaradogmz]

they forgot to leave the male baldness genes behind and half of the demigods turned evil

[@Butter_Warrior99]

Wamudes: The use the sperm, eggs, and some warp god spaghetti! And that Lord Adornable is how you and Magnus was convinced. (closes book made by Terminator Librarian Majorkill). Magnus: That explains, A LOT. Rogal: So, we're literally Demi Gods. Wamudes: Yeah pretty much, though, for some reason it says twenty one. I though there was only twenty. It says something about a ca-. Magnus: Stop. Wamudes: Wha-, why? Rogal: Because, knowing father. Things are going just as he planned. Emps: Bingo Rogal.

[@tamonk9054]

I’m surprised you didn’t mention Corvus, as his power is likely just him manifesting the god soul inside himself

[@scornlok9321]

Yo majorkill did you see the new special model pay wall lmao gw take on gwp its sad and crazy but love your videos keep it up you the best.

[@supolik2]

Hey my Boy, do you by any chance know what the music that starts playing at 4:27 starts playing is called ?

[@fionn2220]

The Emperor actually drove a white van into the immaterium with a 'free souls' sign stuck on the side and just waited for the minor God's to hop in the back.

[@bmorebread8993]

This is the real primordial truth

[@WelcomeToDERPLAND]

Based.

[@frankhaha81]

> Minor gods Bruh

[@huss4realz]

🤣🤣

[@hellodumzo]

@@WelcomeToDERPLAND On what?

[@lsynno]

Additional theory. When Emps revealed himself some Primarchs bent the knee imediately, others resisted. This could correlate to which gods the Emperor kidnapped and which he persuaded.

[@TheTrueFeleas]

So Konrad's god-soul was persuaded by Big E? Interesting....

[@elchipoclevengador]

except for russ's, who just wanted to stuff his face with food and get shitfaced with all the ale fenris had.

[@ethanguest3438]

@@elchipoclevengador let's be honest though, who wouldn't?

[@mistrants2745]

While it makes sense im not a fan of this theory. It discredits the personality of the primarchs. Its kinda like every big scary alien threat turning out to be related to chaos. I like the Primarchs having a human side, a personhood, something thats not decided purely by some greater force beyond their current personality.

[@Kronos5K]

This makes me think of when the Custodes braced for impact when Perturabo took a moment to bend the knee meeting the Emperor.

[@Matt-tb5un]

Your theory is also supported by Corax discovering he can be his true form in the Warp. Would make his character all the more enjoyable if he were to rejoin the current setting.

[@Writh811]

That would be cool. Something I'm curious about as a Space Wolf player is what the hell Russ turned into at this point. I know a lot of us want "Odin" Russ but warp entities seldom look human and his warp god is clearly some kind of ice wolf. I'm most fascinated for to see the Loyalists who went into the warp for a few thousand years and how the Imperium receives these beings.

[@christiandauz3742]

Warp-Corax is unique Chaos is like no other steroid

[@rexlumontad5644]

@@Writh811 That would be interesting to find out if Leman Russ did what Corax did while inside the Warp, or somehow retained his human form with sheer willpower and belief he can survive in the Warp. After all, your mind makes it real in the Warp.

[@konialis45]

@@Writh811 For Odin-Russ to exist, a cool idea would be if he somehow absorbed Magnus' Warp God and/or the "good " parts of Magnus' soul, by sacrificing an eye, like Odin did in Mimir's well. The implications of this would be enormous both for the Space Wolves and the thousand sons i think and it would make for some interesting lore

[@yojon4905]

@@konialis45 That sounds amazing lol

[@Caulderain]

It would also explain a bit about why the Watchers in the Dark are obssesed with the Lion. They might have been, in a roundabout way daemons of the Lion's god soul? And also why Daemons (regular ones) are shit scared of them because they are just fragments of a massive powerful anti-warp God Soul

[@majorkill]

Yesss! I love building upon theories like this

[@alexejvecera6317]

@@majorkill you want some skooma?

[@DidMyGrandfatherMakeThis]

I always see the Watchers as one of the coolest parts of the Dark Angel mythology. 'nah mate, **** the xenos scum sh*t' 'oh sorry what's that creepy little guy following you around all about that appears to be a psychic null?' 'none' *boltgun slide being racked 'of' boltgun raised 'your f**king' *bang squelch* 'business inquisitor'

[@spin6872]

And the lions forest was the gods domain?

[@EverGonzalez-x6d]

😂😂😂😂​@@alexejvecera6317

[@TheAlphaLegionnaire]

If a psychic event is felt by the sons of each primarch upon their death, wouldn’t it confirm that any MIA primarchs still live if such an event hasn’t been felt?

[@Primus_Phallus]

I think Malcador and the Emps did a hypnosis on the Legionnaires thus they think they are Ultramarines.

[@robintenfelde6105]

Most likely. I doubt gw would keep the likes of dorn or russ dead without some big event

[@flameknightplayz2939]

@@Primus_Phallus Magnus mind wiped his sons (Ahriman snapped after learning that too saying "you violated the sanctity of our minds"etc..) , same mind wipe technique might have been used by Emps and Malc to remove knowledge of the MIA Primarchs.

[@iron-thorne]

Tyberos is a missing primarch and Leman did that to his face, change my mind.

[@jwb590]

@@iron-thorne did what? I need to learn more about the big space shark in chief

[@ministryofwrongthink6962]

It’s crazy that you’re actually theory-casting. this all makes so much sense it’s as if it’s straight up GW canon.

[@tedakem1812]

This dude did his homework like a mother fuqin legend. fuq cannon if this isn't the workshop explanation

[@Erzkreutz]

this would explain why mortarion is like the reaper... because... he is literally "the reaper".

[@Sarindanvelor]

if i remember right reaper is basically the nightbringer scarring humanity's ancestors so badly that it forever left an imprint on them of a cloaked scythe wielding figure as the image of death.

[@Triumph263]

​@@Sarindanvelor So the guy who hates the Warp and Xenos above all else was made from a Warp entity imitating a Xenos entity...

[@khai96x]

@@Triumph263 a god-level xenos entity.

[@Sarindanvelor]

@@Triumph263 tbh sounds like a very Morty thing

[@undercovertakodachi4301]

​@@Triumph263Mortarion the Galaxy's biggest Hypocrite.

[@tablekun8690]

9:32 my theory is that Rylanor being such a badass convinced fulgrims warp God/demon to want to be a primarch again

[@PlanetSideDelta]

This is an amazing theory. And it would make sense why there are no blank primarchs. Also kind of makes sense why some primarchs seemed doomed too fall to chaos, maybe the minor gods in the traitor primarchs were aspects of the big 4?

[@Asraeks]

they weren't doomed to fall to anything. They fell did cuz of chain of events mostly started by big E

[@jo_ken]

Also makes a lot more sense why Tseentch had corrupted Magnus’ legion so much with them turning into chaos spawns and such. Maybe the demon Emps grabbed for his Magni Magic son was a greater demon of the chaos god.

[@MrFallenone]

@@jo_ken That depends... you have to remember that Chaos is not all evil. Without Tzeentch there would be stagnation he is also the God of knowledge and learning so it is possible that the magnus juice was related to Tzeentch.

[@jkgf4671]

There are no blanks, but there still are primarchs like Russ and Dorn who can interrupt warp powers and warp entities.

[@jkgf4671]

@@MrFallenone Without Tzeentch there still won't be stagnation. He is not the one who tells everyone to do something. I always fail to understand that logic "without him there will be stagnations" No it wouldn't. In your mind it would be like what? Without Tzeentch you can't change anything? "I would build my house, but well, Emperor killed Tzeentch so I can't do this shit now"?

[@robertross9019]

Always entertaining yet this is arguably the best video MajorKill has done this year

[@mephiston9]

Pretty good.

[@willis_on_youtube8975]

I'll argue that his video roast of OMS was better

[@robertross9019]

That was a funny one but I prefer lore-based videos over competition bashing

[@WarpedMiniatures]

thought the same thing

[@jo_ken]

Really hope that Trazyn gets pushed to the point of needing to release more of his exhibits again and we see a loyalist and demon primarch existing at the same time.

[@kakyoin9688]

Man it took a massive fuck off invasion of easily the most important planet in the galaxy to have Trazyn unleash some Pokémon. What would be needed for him to release a primarch?

[@jo_ken]

@@kakyoin9688 Maybe Imotech (that storm lord necron) getting into some more need with him. Or just a giant tyranid invasion close to his museum.

[@kakyoin9688]

@@jo_ken close enough I suppose

[@perihelion1225]

@@kakyoin9688 I’m just imagining cawl introducing Guilliman to Trazyn Cawl: “look man, we need his help, and you’re not above receiving help from xenos” Guilliman: “very well, speak xeno” Trazyn: “look, I don’t like you, and you don’t like me. But what if I told you I know a guy who knows a guy. He could bring back ferrus, sanguinius, and Kurze if you’ll take him. Guilliman: “how do I know I can trust your word?” Trazyn: *gesturing to the H. heresy section* “follow me into my gallery”

[@Fordo007]

@@perihelion1225 honestly, the next primarchs to come back being resurrected traitors who now side with the imperium would be a neat twist. Could even make a third or fourth faction. A civil war in the traitor legions… or a brand new legion with the original geneseed.

[@rexlumontad5644]

10:05 Hopefully that Trazyn will release the Fulgrim Clone into the Imperium and watch in amusement to see how the cloned Primarch will try not to die no matter the odds against him, regain Guilliman's trust despite their past and issues, lead his own Primaris Chapter called reformed Phoenix Guard (the Emperor's Children name has been tainted and a new name is needed as a fresh start) and beat the shit out of Snakegrim with immense abhorrence.

[@oreo-postraphe]

*Stomp Stomp* *_CLONEGRIM LIVES_*

[@stefvanroey8191]

Tbf the same thing should happen with an angron clone

[@masterrecon118]

@@stefvanroey8191 I would love to see a loyalist clone of angron

[@steweygrrr]

That would actually be amazing. I've always felt that all versions of Fulgrim's fall felt kind of contrived. How would a mere Keeper of Secrets overpower the mind and soul of a Primarch? It's been shown that even a greater daemon as powerful as Ka'Bandha didn't stand a chance against a Primarch and it took Tzeentch itself to claim Magnus.

[@ГригорийГ-ч4н]

Do you know that there actually is a primaris chapter called "Sons of Phoenix"? Presumely made from Dorn genes... But we all know how much Cowl hates to waste good genes... There is also old loyalist chapter called Death Eagles... Presumely made from Corax genes... But one of millenials of Emperor's Children, the loyalist one, had very same name...

[@MajinOthinus]

That's an interesting conundrum with Magnus. Unlike most anyone else, Magnus was created by the Emperor with a very specific purpose and very specific requirements (that being operating the golden throne), so just shoving a random warp god into that body would seem counterproductive. He was also the only primarch who was conscious from the very beginning of his inception and is implied to have communed with the emperor before being cast into the warp by Erda. He is also the only one who had his soul shattered which conversly also means that all of his original soul or at the very least parts of it are still around AND part of the Crimson King (which might also partly explain why he's so much less of a dick than the rest of the traitors). This is further backed up by "Wrath of Magnus", because from that book, it looks like only a very small part of his soul is actually Tzeentchian. Tl;dr: If this theory is true, Magnus has some very interesting shenanigans going on. I would even go as far as to suspect that Magnus might actually have a fragment of the Emperor's own soul instead of that of a warp god.

[@TheLeftie600]

It doesn’t imply a random warp god, it means the Big E identified a specific warp god to create (or for?) Magnus. IMO Magnus’ shattered soul suggests that Horus may still exist in some shattered form as well…just really small pieces that would be damn hard to put back together!

[@jakubgrzybek6181]

Magipie is the most interesting primarch in 40K period.

[@MajinOthinus]

@@TheLeftie600 I mean, we know parts of Horus' soul still exist; the parts performing the labors of the chaos gods still exist somewhere in their domains (presumably at least), but from what we know, everything else that was left was indeed unmade by the Emperor.

[@griffinthomas1056]

@@MajinOthinus God, just imagine a scenario where "Horus" returns to the setting, only instead of Horus, it's the fragments of Horus' soul in possession of the chaos gods, having have fully taken over Abaddon's body. Granted Abaddon hates Horus, but still; would really give Failaddon the power boost he needs

[@theGOATemperorOfmankind]

I approve of this message.

[@darthgorthaur258]

No you don't, your our lord of lighting don't bend your almight massive knees to any of these fuck heads...

[@commissarf1196]

The man emperor is here

[@veteranofbaal8232]

Oh hello god Emporer of mankind, how are you my beloved God Emporer of man kind? I am well thank you for asking God Emporer of mankind.

[@mohamadafif2820]

Ahh I'm joining Chaos

[@indrickboreale7381]

@@mohamadafif2820 NOH!

[@lorenzosheffield8917]

Best breakdown I've heard about the Primarchs. Big E is a Savage lol

[@Kalorag]

Well, he was made or born by savages.... literally....

[@saltyshackles5227]

So Clonegrim is the real deal...Roboute & The Lion arguing and Clonegrim walks through the door...would love to see that play out.

[@AzraelSoulHunter]

There is 2 thing I want to add. Corvus and Konrad being one. You see if you think about it, if both of them landed one their respective planets I feel like both would be VERY different. After all Corvus since he was a child he was merciless and brutal and Konrad was broken by his foresight and sense of justice due to being on hopeless planet like Nostramo. There is a theory that Corvus was meant to be the brutal executioner who would betray Big E (hinted by that Emperor seemed surprised that Corvus is loyal to him IIRC) all the while Konrad was meant to be a judge, bringer of justice who was meant to be loyal. But because they landed on their respective planets they were altered. And there is second thing, the fact that Khan and Fulgrim were switched by someone as well.

[@pyrrhicwins5101]

The Primarchs don't just have daddy issues, they have mommy issues too. Great. Also, great theory.

[@velphidrow]

Except Robute. He had a great mother figure and it's why he's the only well functioning adult

[@chupakabra1999]

Also makes sense why Perty is still relatively intact: we know that he is still much capable of doing what he was doing, meaning that he wasn't ascended to the deamonhood. Rather, as one theory goes, he could have been using some sort of a warp raactor or power source. Read about that theory yourself if you are curious as it is quite big, but it makes sense. Or Perty is perhaps one if not only "traitor" who still kept this thing in him, as I seriously doubt Perturabo is a DP, as it does not make sense with him. Either he somehow supresses warp influence, has shielding, or simply uses a reactor to compensate for his lifeforce drain.

[@rexlumontad5644]

Perturabo already sacrificed the captured Imperial Fist geneseed from the Iron Cage battle that killed a lot of Rogal Dorn's sons and he ascended into Daemon Prince of Chaos Undivided.

[@johnlavery3433]

Purturabo is a Daemon Primarch, of Chaos undivided, he used the Geneseed, both Iron warrior and Imperial fists, as sacrifices after the iron cage to claim it

[@jeambeam3173]

Perturabo being a daemon is the only thing id wish they'd retcon vs all the bullshit there trying tp fuck with with Sangunuise being in stasis and shit

[@darko-man8549]

@Matt Volkien Nah, I just prefer that he is the most neutral of all Primarchs. Whilst Jaghatai is the one who most logically chose the Imperium: Perty just hates both sides and realises both just want to control him and use him. I don't see him ever being a sleeper.

[@boartank]

@Matt Volkien I know that guy. He is me, Alpharius!

[@rexlumontad5644]

8:48 Since TTS Magnus got his soul back after Big E took it away from Tzeentch, that means he, as a half-Daemon Primarch, has both the powers of his god soul and a daemon prince at the same time.

[@amirhaikal8304]

So in TTS Magnus is the ultimate form?

[@commandercostas]

That's just TTS though

[@somethinglikethat2176]

@@commandercostas which makes it cannon.

[@sifthead7720]

But the owner of both souls is kitten

[@johnlucas2838]

Too bad Magnus's god soul is being assimilated by his daemon soul. The last of his god soul is with Janus/Ianus.

[@Lord_Brownie]

It would be cool if the warp gods the emperor “acquired” were the warp manifestations of old human gods (Zeus, Odin, Quetzalcoatl, etc) who had gone without worship for millennia and were severely weakened.

[@Nverdis]

So Fulgrim is Dionysus, Guilliman is Mars, Vulcan is… Vulcan, Horus is Horus, … I don’t know how to classify Magnus. On the one hand he’s got the whole “Egyptian god of magic” vibe of Thoth but Odin was also known for magic, having one eye etc. Also, Leman Russ has STRONG Viking influences so he’s a candidate 🤷‍♂️ Nice theory though

[@stevenescobar3247]

That would be believable considering the emperor would only take entities from the warp that he had knowledge of. buuuttt if that is the case which primarch has which soul. I think we all know who Leman Russ got cough Odin cough.

[@claudiu-mihaipuiu1221]

@@stevenescobar3247 Nah, Odin was actually a very wise God. It's most likely Thor that's inside of him.

[@theGOATemperorOfmankind]

You know to much.

[@flameknightplayz2939]

@@claudiu-mihaipuiu1221 True, I bet Magnus had Odin's soul since even Odin sacrificed his eye to gain primordial knowledge of the universe - just like Magnus. Ya know, one eyed Odin and one eyed Magnus, both traded something for a piece of divine knowledge - both had thirst for arcane knowledge, Odin sacrificed many things even his body for information about spells and runes same as Magnus who thirsted for ruins and grimoires.

[@Butter_Warrior99]

Emps: So I just coomed in some tubes, but I forgot to properly clean them. So that explains the weird mutations.

[@mrmason8212]

He probably used an old amasec bottle for angron

[@ChasemeChaos]

@@mrmason8212 LOL

[@CrimsonVrs]

Fulgrims soul seeing, then entering Fulgrim Clones body is the most Fulgrim thing I've ever heard.

[@exponenttie9707]

I'd love to see Roboute and Clonegrim fighting Daemon Fulgrim together, that'd be great and those two can make it more balanced as Daemon Fulgrim is alot stronger physically then both, and has 4 arms

[@iron-thorne]

Fulgrim2 is on display, sitting on silk pillows while eating the best food the galaxy, he's not going anywhere willingly.

[@rexlumontad5644]

@@iron-thorne Daemon Fulgrim is tending to his burning boo-boos from Rylanor's massive roasting, verbally and literally via virus bomb.

[@michaeldimare3786]

#RylanorSlaps

[@xavier84623]

I bet you anything the time rage of the crusade was due to the warp gods playing big e. He thought he needed to go fast to prevent chaos, but his rushing is the thing that actually causes the chaos to grow.

[@MrFallenone]

No. He was cleansing the galaxy of worship ... the thing which powers chaos the most. The faster he went the safer it was.

[@xavier84623]

@@MrFallenone *whoosh*

[@Integritys_Sum]

Yeah but... _How_ was he "cleansing" it?

[@SheedRanko777]

Also, all of the primarchs heavily relate to human gods from mythology. So it would make sense that the emperor would take gods from humanities history that exist as minor gods within the warp and it would explain why each of them felt a connection with humanity from the start. It also explains the immediate connections some of the primarchs felt to each other and also the immediate dislike others felt towards each other. If anything, I think that the chaos gods had eaten and absorbed all of the minor gods that the emperor could have used so the deal with the gods the emperor made could have been in exchange for the minor gods thar were swallowed to be released and given to the emperor to use for his primarch project.

[@yojon4905]

Never would have crossed my mind. Cool thought

[@beafraidofinsectattack]

Who is magnus likely based on?

[@abyssmoon6940]

@@beafraidofinsectattack odin

[@beafraidofinsectattack]

@@abyssmoon6940 I totally forgot about odin when i wrote that XD. I was so focused on his un-odiny attributes I forgot about his similarities with odin

[@DNero13]

Or the big 4 chaos gods let big e hunt them and recruit or imprison them as they are taking up a portion of the chaos power by being worshipped etc so its doing them a favour and deleting players from the great game. However he should give some of the imprisoned gods power to he big 4 but ovi goes back on it and stitches them up? So they lie about big e snaking them but he does a little bit but for good reason

[@zipscool]

An intriguing theory, and after having heard your explanation, one I now fervently hope is true, if only because it brings back to mind Guill-E-man's words -when he was possessed by the Big E- to Mortarion at the end of the Plague Wars that he could yet be 'redeemed', and by that same measure, the same could possibly be said of the other traitor Primarchs as well. Given GW are, well, GW though, I can sadly imagine it also being purely a result of different lore/novel writers with different ideas and GW refusing to explain as is typically their wont.

[@taylorjohnson6548]

Konrad curze novel said similar. Directly from the Emperor he said none of his children are beyond redemption and forgiveness.

[@SocialistNihilist]

This is going to sound like a big load of unsourced bullshit, but a friend I'd rather not lose their job has maintained for several years that the long plan is for 4 more primarchs to return, 2 loyalists that will become traitors, and 2 traitors that will become loyalists. I won't say more specifics about confirmed future planning in fear that they could be identified. I think the Lion and (maybe, dunno, doubtful) Sanguinius are going to return and turn traitor along with a portion of their legions and I think Clonegrim and Magnus are going to be redeemed but the vast majority of their heretical legions won't. I really want Clonegrim to lead the Sons of the Phoenix.

[@chagear]

Best explanation of Primarchs I have heard thus far! Makes sense, and puts a lot of the lore in a prospect that does NOT conflict with itself, GJ!

[@edpistemic]

This is your smartest and most original video yet! This is totally my head canon on the Primarchs going forward. TY MK

[@dqlemon6775]

Despite being a loyal son of Sanguinius, my favorite modern lore or theory is Clonegrim coming back and creating an established renegade or loyal chapter of emperor's children. But the state GW is in i can't see him returning without them making some sort of profit off of him

[@velphidrow]

Clonegrim mini. Duh

[@dqlemon6775]

@@velphidrow yeah I know but there was alot of talk saying how Gw doesn't support Emperor's children since no one buys into their line so I can't see them making a mini anytime soon

[@velphidrow]

@@dqlemon6775 well 2022 is supposedly the year of Chaos so

[@dqlemon6775]

@@velphidrow Hopefully lol Chaos Undivided

[@ranger3576]

Guess that means that “Curse of the Wulfen” is a result of Space Wolfs turning into mini versions of the Wolf god within Leman

[@TheRewasder97]

The awakening of the Lion and him fixing his sons problems with the fallen, would be amazing. Clonegrim going back to the Imperium, reforming the Emperor's Children, maybe even redeeming some of the chaos space marines, would be amazing. Even more, Guilliman could have gotten notice of Fulgrim's clone and made some moves to free him, plus maybe prepare some Emperor's Children primaris for his arrival.

[@scottdixon2505]

I think this is heavily supported by the fact that the demon primarchs get repelled time and time again by just normal Astartes and guardsmen. They no longer have what made them special as primarchs. So I think it makes complete sense that when the chaos god's ascended the primarchs to demonhood, they took out the very powerful warp god that was handpicked by the emperor, and replaced it with a lesser chaos god that just isn't as good. Hence why the demon primarchs keep getting their ass kicked

[@jackmesrel4933]

Cool idea but, let's be real, no way in hell that was the reason. GW is too inept to have such a clever motive for the traitor primarch being defeated by regular astartes, and the more likely reason is that it was just the result of bad writting/wanting to retain the status quo of the setting.

[@alexandremenard3833]

It's just bad writing and plot armor.

[@rushpatriot2866]

Yeah you pretty much said what the video said

[@tomsmith3189]

Major kill your videos have helped me get through my heroin withdrawls. Thank you. As time was dragging while I was suffering and listening to you made the pain and uncomfortabilty a bit more bearable.

[@nexx3397]

I have to admit this is one of the best theories I've probably ever heard and I actually agree with it

[@TalosValcoranOfTheFirstClaw]

Leman's Warp God is probably Morkai, Deathwolf, Wolf-like deity worshipped on Fenris, maybe that's why he landed there. He's God soul just wanted to go back to home

[@KMn048]

What I think adds more to this is that Emps fought the Void Dragon so knew what a C’tan was. The Primarchs are his C’tan just like he was making his webway.

[@brennanhitchcock7229]

Gotta start a 12 hour shift right with a new Majorkill video

[@jmvt3]

I can buy the Primarchs being minor gods but not that big E wanted them to be kidnapped. Why go to the trouble of building those 20 villas if they weren’t meant to be used.

[@alphanoodle1877]

wait the primarchs had housing plans?

[@incognitopotato3516]

@@alphanoodle1877 yah Therese apartments I under the imperial palace

[@tuor8087]

Maybe the emperor needed to create the illusion that they were intended to be brought up on Terra. Maybe the place never existed. Maybe Malcador created it for Magnus's benefit?

[@seanreeb3937]

@@tuor8087 No, when Corax returned to Terra after Istvaan he stayed in the apartments while writing his after action reports. There was a chapter of it in deliverance lost I believe.

[@tuor8087]

@@seanreeb3937 I am not saying they were not there; I am just saying that they may have been made for show; to create the 'illusion' that the emperor did not intend for the primarchs to be scattered. Of course, it is just an opinion.

[@Gxbvy]

Your theory for the primarch origin is sick! Bruh 1000iq no joke this should be 100% canon it fits so well into the narrative

[@NueThunderKing]

This hypothesis would bring new breath to why there are two missing Primarchs and their legions. Perhaps the gods bound to them were so uncontrollable that they started displaying warp fuckery without regard in a time when that was supposed to be the biggest secret ever and the way the Emps and Malcador decided to deal with that was to eradicate every memory available of them. Perhaps one of them was even something like Malal or even an Eldar god.

[@TrelarysVT]

I actually think that with all evidence in the lord lately… it’s more likely that the next primarch to return is lorgar. Initially, that had me upset at first but then I thought about it more, it would actually open a 2nd potential loyal primarch return. Corvus Corax! Actually, while I’m thinking about it, the fact that Corvus turned into a daemon raven could be him manifesting as the god within him… makes sense.

[@waynebimmel6784]

That also explains why Raven Boy manages to transformation into a demon like entety.

[@bernardotorres5274]

I do like to believe that when the Big E first enter the Warp it is said he did a pack with the Ruinous Powers to create the Primarchs. What if the beings he made pack weren’t the Ruinous powers but actually Minor Gods or perhaps even some Surviving Old Ones (considering it said some survived the War in heaven). He promised them Mortal vessels for them to get stronger and when finally doing so they along with the Emperor could return to the warp via the Human Web Way the Emperor had in mind, subdue the Gods of Chaos and finally return the Warp back into the realm of Souks were this Minor Gods would rule and the Big would rid humanity off the influence of Chaos. However to ensure his plan work he also made a deal with the Chaos Gods, saying that he would join them as the Fifth Chaos Gods in exchanged he wanted a boost to his abilities so he could go on a conquest campaign to Spread his influence so he could ascend as the 5th God and create the eternal Chaos all 4 wanted (which considering the Big E is the only real threat they ever face and to be a worthy adversary, they couldn’t refuse. Is basically the equivalent of befriending the rich kid in school who could get you nice gifts and out of a lot of trouble) Or at least that is what the Big E told this minor Gods and the Chaos Gods, as his plan was to super charge this Gods using their Mortal Bodies and use them as suicide Bomvers so when he took the fight to the Chaos Gods the Big E would detonate the 10 Primarchs he chose as his sacrificial Lambs, thus separating the Chaos and the Minor Gods into such small pieces they would never be able to be made while again. However just to be certain he would created the Human Web Way to starve them of influence thus ensuring Humanity would never be influenced/manipulated by Gods again. When Erda found about this is why she sabotage the project, because she understood that if the Big E did this the Warp would get so unbalanced that would essentially destroy itself and the material world along with it. Since all the Gods represented aspects of the Material world and when destroyed it could create a second Big Bang that will eliminate everything. When Erda did this it essentially send a signal to the Chaos Hods of the Emperor’s true intention, which is why the Big E had to essentially rush the conquest of the Galaxy since now the Chaos Gods will try to stop him. Essentially Erda took away the Big E’s element of surprise because if it wasn’t by it he could have conquered the Galaxy in no time and continue with his plan. At least that is my theory, what do you think. As for the Minor Gods the Big E made a deal with I have an idea for 2, those Being Vulkan Corvus and CoraxLeman Russ. - Vulkan I believe has a shard of Isha, the Godess of rebirth, since even for a Perpetual Vulkan has a OP regeneration/rebirth abilities. To to mention his kindness with one could say is and aspect of the Emperor, but not even him is that kind. Not to mention his hatred for the Eldar could be the Isha shard punishing her subjects for the creation of Slanesh. - Leman Russ and Corvus Corax: I do believe their souls are of that of Primordial/Animalistic Gods that represent the untamed nature of all living beings. This explains why all Space Wolves can turn to literal Werewolves and why Corvus warp form is that of a Demonic Crow. I also believe them getting their eyes blank and going into the Warp, was the Warp entities finally maturing/growing powerful enough to return to the Warp and reclaim their respective realms. EDIT: I would also like to add that the “Watchers in Dark” are perhaps cultists or part of the same Warp Being which was used to create the Lion. Seeing how they stay besides the Dark Angels and guard the deepest part of the Rock. Perhaps the Watchers in the dark are an elder race that in similar fashion to the Emperor, achieve Perpetuity but one of their ranks was even capable of ascending to “Godhood” and inhabit the Warp until he joined the Emperor, and that is why she the Lion fell the Watchers took its body, heal it, and are waiting for the entity that inhabits the Lion to awaken.

[@BobelPop]

Sounds reasonable. Don't forget that mankind had a pantheon as well. Even though we heard of the Eldar, humans naturally had many beliefs. The old gods of man could be part of it too.

[@bernardotorres5274]

@@BobelPop Fair point, and would explain what happened to them.

[@ankeragothdragonblood4425]

If this is true I think we might know the name of Russ’s god-soul, ‘Morkai’, mostly cause, as far as I’m aware, that is the only named wolf god on fenris as well as one of the great companies, the specific anti psyker unit, and the important trail where a space wolves aspirant is forced to confront an unrestrained canis-helix are all named after morkai. Also that’s why he was sent to fenris, it’s the god’s home of worship.

[@pabloarellano5485]

Took me a while to come up with these but this theory would explain why every primarch has a theme, let me elaborate: Since the warp is a place where all thoughts, emotions and faiths are reflected, this would mean every religion that has existed had a warp reflection, for example, the idea of “Rome” was very popular even after the empire had fallen, is it possible that the idea of “Rome” manifested in the warp as a minor god, resulting in Gilliman and him “randomly” liking the Roman aesthetic, inheriting the administrative skills that kept the empire alive so many centuries, and if what Majorkill said about each godsoul “choosing” the planets they landed on is true, then of course he would la d on Macragge. This would give an explanation on why primarchs like the Lion landed on a world of techno “Knights” he is the warp embodiment of what ancient humans belived about medieval chivalry, thus further explaining his “asperg” personality. Same logic applies to Magnus (Egypt) Leman (Vikings) Sanguinius (Christianity) Jagathai (Mongols), Lorgar (every religion ever perhaps?) Perturabo (Industrial Revolution?)

[@axios4702]

Man, I love this theory! It makes so much sense and it gives the creation of the primarchs so much more depth... Yeah I´m definitely adding this to my headcanon.

[@15DEAN1995]

I really like this theory it fits really well into the lore. You mentioned the lion at the end, imagine they bring back the rangdan and introduce them as a new/old faction. That would be a hell of a curveball and give the lion a hell of a reason to come back considering no one else alive in 40k knows anything about them.

[@sergeantstrange4266]

Why is arch the arch enemy? He’s who got me into warhammer lore. He’s how I found you and baldermort.

[@Adam132800]

It's just a joke, because Majorkill is close to him in subsciption.

[@warlordjr.jr.]

Emps went to the warp, found the greatest souls among human worlds, learned their true names and made them bodies as part of their deal to deliver them the greatest empire of the galaxy. He without the true soul name he had nothing over them except human experience. Some of them recognized that fact and coped with the work that needed doing to ensure their mutual goal and others couldn't and rebelled when they learned the fundamental truth. Emps made believers of the Imperial Truth to Gods. He's basically martial mythic Buddha.

[@zappyboi770]

If this theory is true, the Lion’s 10,000 year coma will make so much sense. While his body is sleeping in the rock, his soul is in the warp fighting against the chaos gods or just gaining allies. Perhaps, he is there with the big E rallying warp spirits against the ruinous powers. This also explains why Fulgrim was willing to be captured by Trazyn. The body is just a vessel but his spirit is free to roam the warp so it wouldn’t matter to him.

[@aceofspadesguy4913]

This would explain why the Big E didn’t care about a lot of his sons and even expected them to rebel. It was a culling of crazier gods.

[@alotosius]

Their is an interesting theory about the big-E. In an earlier game from GW their was a hero called the chainsword warrior. Some fans believe it was in fact the emperor that fought of a chaos invasion on earth in a time before the dark age of technology.

[@SheedRanko777]

Yeah this has seemed clear for a long time. Glad you made this one because I didn’t realize this wasn’t just common sense type of knowledge about it lol

[@jaredbuchan1983]

Majorkill looking kinda like a primarch like damn

[@arcticwolffie2835]

More like the emperor 👀

[@johannbois2790]

@@arcticwolffie2835 HERESY

[@jaredbuchan1983]

@@arcticwolffie2835 say less my dude.

[@coachnobody3232]

This video is why your channel has blown past everyone else. You don’t just rehash events, you deep dive into the content and create original, thought provoking content. If this theory is canon, it makes 40k lore even better.

[@MI982]

If all this about Primarchs being lesser chaos gods is true, then that implies that the Emperor is one, too.

[@Lemnock]

Good shit majorkill been watching u since top 10 badasses and every time u upload it’s a treat, you’ve gotten me into 40k but 40k or not either way I’d enjoy ur stuff. Thank u for the laughs n the good times mate we’ll get u that 1,000 💪🏻

[@reillyclements1673]

I'm surprised no one remembers the Angel. And I'm not talking about Sanguinius

[@hamanu666]

We don’t talk about him.

[@reillyclements1673]

@@hamanu666 you mean the [Redacted] don't talk about [Redacted]

[@ohamatchhams]

@@reillyclements1673 He's probably Warhammer 40Kverse's immaterium reflection o an Archangel from Judeo-Christian lore, then gone haywire once he's aware that he's gaining a new body during Emperor's proto-Primarch experiment for this Proto-Primarch

[@careyboy6]

One of the best theories on 40k i've heard as of yet

[@elijahkelley7616]

"Out of all the channels I've conquered, none will be so satisfying as Arch." Luetin: *Did you forget about ME?*

[@lauravergot9995]

I am more for the emperor playing voldemort and breaking his own essence/soul into pieces, giving each to a primarch. It would explain why he did so many stupid things after the primarch's creation, he had lost part or at least the intensity of those aspects that made him human. Thus dimishing himself

[@PoofyKittyPants]

The drama of the Lion coming back to see Guiliman as the regent of the Imperium while the Emperor is still alive, after everything that happened with Imperium Secundus, will be a real "Oh fuck!" moment for Bobby.

[@serbronnoftheblackwater798]

Not really, all he would have to do is travel to terra and speak to his father himself. Bobby just had the emperor enter him and he carries his sword as well, It wouldn't make any sense for there to be any animosity towards each other.

[@VoicesOfNihil]

@@serbronnoftheblackwater798 Indeed. Though, to be fair, I think if the Lion returned the sword should go to him instead of Roboute. He is a master swordsman after all, he could probably get way more out of it than his brother

[@jkgf4671]

@@VoicesOfNihil Just because Guilliman didn't enjoy fighting doesn't mean he is a shitty swordsmen. He is one of the best primarch in melee combat.

[@Al_N_Infer]

@@jkgf4671 what are you talking about? Gulliman is one of the weakest primarchs in combat on the same level as Lorgar.

[@aubreymeyers3475]

Man !! I’m getting addicted to listening to the channel learning the lore behind warhammer 40k is a epic way to pass the time while driving 13 hours a day.. majorkill keep up the good can’t wait for the next video

[@aubreymeyers3475]

**good work **

[@altoclef277]

WARNING LONG READ AHEAD! Hey, I dont want to sound like one of those guys that "actually" everything, but there is something interesting about the Horus and Fulgrim clones. So basically the theory in the video states that the "God-Soul" of Fulgrim entered the clone body made by Fabius Bile and because of the fact that Fulgrim remembers his past, it must be the real Fulgrim. The thing is that Abaddon fights at one point a clone of Horus (also made by Fabius Bile) and the situation goes like this: (before you ask, yes this is literaly from the 40k wiki) Abaddon stood behind Horus, and with a single word he halted the Primarch's rampage. "Enough." He had barely even raised his voice, as the absolute authority in his tone was all that was required. Horus turned in a blur, swinging the massive war maul at this newest threat. Abaddon not only parried the mace, he caught it. He held it. He gripped it in the great Talon stained with the blood of a god and His angel. Father and son faced each other, breathing spite into each other's snarling features. For the first time the Primarch spoke, "That. Is. My. Talon." Abaddon closed the massive fist. Worldbreaker broke, shattering against a superior weapon. Scrap metal fell from Abaddon's finger. Despite the legends and stories told about this moment, there were no entreaties made to his gathered sons and nephews; no glorious speech about the possibilities of a new era, or how he begged for mercy when faced with Justaerin blades. There was no impassioned judgement delivered by Abaddon as destiny changed hands from one Warmaster to the next. There was only a cloned father and a prodigal son, surrounded by the dead and the wounded, so similar that only by their weapons and wounds could you tell them apart. Recognition finally flared in the revenant's remaining eye. "Ezekyle. My son. My son." All five of Abaddon's claws rammed so deeply into Horus's chest that they burst from his back. Dark redness spread across what was left of the white fur cloak draped in tatters across Horus's shoulders. A genetic god's blood rained down to the filthy laboratory floor. The Storm Bolter on the Talon's back kicked three times, burying six bolts inside Horus's exposed chest and neck. They blasted him apart from within, sending viscera and blood splattering upon those left prone, watching in mute witness. Horus' knees buckled but Abaddon would not let him fall. Horus's mouth worked but no sound came forth. If his last words found any voice, Abaddon was the only one to hear it. With a slow, smooth withdrawal, Abaddon pulled the Talon clear of his father's body, and the moment before Horus fell -- the moment before the light finally went out in the reborn Primarch's eyes -- Ezekyle Abaddon whispered five soft words. "I am not your son." As you can see there are quite a few hints that clone Horus remembers its past too, by saying things like "That. Is. My. Talon." and most importantly "Ezekyle. My son. My son." it just all seems to hint to the fact that Horus was somehow reborn. The only thing that actually shows that, this can not be the real Horus is the fact that Abaddon literaly one hits him, but still, the question remains why does clone Horus remember "his" past? Sorry for the bad grammar, english is not my first lanquage and keep in mind, i just wanted to give some thougts and observations to the theory and not critisize it.

[@cgavin1]

Its likely because the author read Dune and just plagiarized the concept of the ghola and cellular memory.

[@Smile2Smokie]

"It held the sword up to its face and laughed as it saw the tortured soul of Fulgrim behind its eyes reflected in the shimmering depths of the blade. The daemon could hear his pitiful cries echoing within his skull, the torment in every desperate shriek the sweetest music."

[@squaresphere]

I LOVE this theory! Pure conjecture here, but lets say the warp god in a body is canon. It could explain why the "lost" primarchs can't even be talked about. Lets say the two primarchs some how got more connected to their god souls to the point to the point they were growing in power the more people "believed" in them. IE take what we know about the warp, its the manifestation of warp imprints from various races thoughts and emotions. Now take the conjecture we know about the Rangdan, they can "control" people. If they were able to get the lost Primarchs on their side, and then use their powers to make all the slaves in the Rangdan empire worship them. Well you have a recipe of threat that could keep growing exponentially as they enslaved more warp sensitives. Throw on top Majorkill's thought that the god soul could keep bringing back the Primarch, the only way to actually stop them is to either, kill the warp god soul OR stop the warp imprint growth. Lets say the Emperor knew killing the god soul had risk or a great cost (ie uses too much power for him to do it twice, didn't exactly know how to it perfectly at that time etc. ) that meant that they had to totally eliminate any THOUGHT or emotion connected to the Lost to weaken the god soul to the point where it couldn't manifest. Would explain why every mention had to be eliminated and even talking about it was forbidden to the remaining primarchs. Hell the warp god soul even helps support why the Emperor had to use the Void Dragon during the xenocide, eg, need to cut/isolate the warp from "something". EG Void Dragon is known to have created the warp controlling pylons.

[@bwehhueh5135]

this kind of content is what got me into 40k c:

[@rexlumontad5644]

0:16 Sanguinius looking like Flynn Rider if he has blonde hair and angel wings.

[@calebkelly8221]

Nahhhh 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂🤣🤣😂

[@borax8886]

I think the only exception to the “worlds they were supposed to land on” thing is Angron- The butcher’s nails actually were supposed to kill him outright by the end of the crusade, and I can’t imagine that was intentional.

[@oliverebbing6637]

1:08 I grabbed my balls but where do I go from here? Help

[@Drew_Thompson]

This reminds me of the Theory of the emperor being a GAOT super human STC. There's alot of evidence that humans in the GAOT had the ability to manipulate raw warp energy and may have done so to engineer a sort of "last man" to skip to the end of evolution now that they had mastered technology. considering the other mentioned "Men Of Gold" it could be possible the EOM was made with a warp god's spirit as well and simply set about re-collecting the other now disembodied warp gods. Think about it, he used urta because she was strong, but not too strong. He could have very well been made by a hundred hundred shamans and reborn in anatolian but that doesn't mean he started off as a 10 foot tall golden badass.

[@TearDownGenesis]

How does this theory connect to that Proto-Primarch. I like to think that the Emperor took the essence of parts or all of major Chaos entities into himself "purified them" (as he thought) and shat them out into the Primarchs. That fits since part of the idea of Primarchs is they are aspects of the Emperor.

[@jeambeam3173]

Not Majorkill releasing a theory that makes the lore make so much more sence you fucking crazy mate good work

[@tellder1]

Nice theory. Would only change "God" with "super powerful demon" akin to Drach'Nien.

[@MrFallenone]

or a "g"od

[@arminreep4056]

Best. Major kill video. Ever. Seriously, the reasoning is super convincing, and his bias is shown yet justified without too much memey stuff.

[@mrbasil583]

The addition of the Primarchs "Mother" just seems like a way to shoehorn female Astartes into the lore which will be very convenient when the 2nd and and 11th come back and oh look they're girls.

[@Valor816]

I've got this theory that the Primarchs weren't tailor made for certain tasks, but were made to be adaptive. Hence why we've got Curze getting black pupils on a world were everyone has black pupils. That's why yeeting them was such a big deal, because that meant they were left growing on their own and could turn into... well, Angron. Emps was pissed because that meant he couldn't grow them his way. The Primarchs Emps ended up favoring were the ones that evolved into something he could actually use for something, like Dorn and Gorillaman. But he still didn't really like them, because he knew what they could have been if he'd grown them himself. Maybe it's even a bit of both, like, the vessel of the Primarch is influenced by the warp god inhabiting it, which takes it's lead from it's surroundings. idk, I've just always thought there was more to the Primarch "roles" than just "Big E wanted a dude that could build walls, so he jizzed in a cup, mixed in some concrete and out popped Rogel Dorn in a high-vis vest" then he thought "Hmm, what if I did this with a Batman comic?" but it was a cry wank, so we got Konrad Curze

[@barkingwilder]

Majorkill: I have something planned for when we take over Arch Me: *sigh* He's going to get his c*ck out, isn't he?

[@charion1234]

The only thing that makes me question it is Konrad. According to the Night lords books, he'd really started to go decline. Forgetting orders, forgetting who was alive or dead etc. Even his body started getting screwed up. Then again I guess you could just say it was the god inside him trying to get out and that's why he wanted to die.

[@morgankennedy7075]

Love your content, have yoy ever read the Ciaphas Cain series? They're great and I think you'd get a kick out of them, they're pretty funny

[@amirhaikal8304]

"Cia Cia Ciaphas Cain hero of the imperium!"

[@rbsdrummer]

I’m so happy to be a part of this journey to mollywhopp the other channels. Been here since before 100k!

[@Shenesy1]

I think someone needs to super impose The Emperors head on to the Powerpuff Girls intro. Job done 👍

[@synegg9414]

Can we take a moment to appreciate how amazingly good the art in these videos are getting?

[@ardabaser1349]

I think the theory of Sanguinius succumbing to Black Rage to defeat Horus but getting defeated by the Emperor afterwards because he couldn't stop the Black Rage makes more sense now. The dark angel (btw, Lion el Johnson doesn't have a dark angel in him apparently because Sanguinius did? And also a light angel?) within him went monkey mode or something and made Sanguinius God+ tier so he could defeat the mega-buffed Horus. I think.

[@40kbrit47]

Dude this is one of the best videos you have made.

[@Gorillaman01]

This is THE best theory I’ve ever heard in 40k, despite reading the books none of this actually occurred to me before. Definitely deserve the subs you’re getting

[@Inshabael.]

YOU DID IT YOU BIG AUSSIE BOY, YOU HAVE REACHED THE NUMBERS, NOW KEEP ON GROWING

[@a.N.....]

Dune plot: humanity needs a ruler so ruthless itll never be ruled again. 40k: yea yea steal bits of that.

[@Jookman6]

MK your chan has come a huge way, some of these theories you put out are nothing short of top notch. keep up the great work.

[@truffelnootje]

Thnx for the fullgrim clone part! So interested in that! Bit the rest is just as good!

[@TheDeceased14]

Amazing theory!!! And would explain why the lion is still asleep.. the watchers are keeping him asleep because his soul hasn’t returned to his body yet.. it may be being held by one of the gods so that he can’t return because they know he would do soo much damage to them and chaos if he returned

[@jas6853]

Love the image of big E taking a warp god and just stuffing them into the primarchs, like shoving stuff in a suitcase lol

[@TimeCircleBlue]

Very intriguing. You have given me much to consider. I thank you for this knowledge.

[@Grumbaki]

It’s crazy that this is the best channel to get clear 40k answers and explanations

[@mr.birdie1406]

Major kill is killing it with the uploads. Happy to see you finally get the success and attention you deserve. Cheers.

[@prometheus_arson]

One thing that always bugged me is that the warp should not be like hell, it is a "place"?! that EVERY emotion and thought manifest bad and good, yet we almost exclusively see the "evil" manifestation, your theory gives me the satisfaction of seeing other beings not totally evil, i mean i doubt the Big E would go to the warp and snatch gods who are lesser versions of the chaos gods, meaning that perhaps the reason we don't see "good-order" gods almost at all is that the emperor took them from the warp thus empowering "evil-chaos" further. So in a sense i like this theory not only cause it makes sense for the power of the primarchs but also cause it somehow fixes the imbalance in the warp, also it makes sense to salvage what is worth taking from the warp since Big E's plan was to permanently cut of the warp from the galaxy via the webway

[@xavier84623]

I think the reason they landed on the perfect planets was because once cast into the warp the gods were attracted back to their places of origin, where the humans that birthed them are.

[@Jonedoea]

This is my number one source of knowledge

[@TuanHoang-zy7of]

This theory is really interesting, and it could create even more theory for the 2 lost primarchs