Make 270 WSM Great Again!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Glad you got the velocity you've always been wanting! I hope to see some groups with the 165 ABLR at 3098 FPS and groups with the 136 TA at mid 3300 FPS

[@hopefulballistics]

@@ReloadingWeatherby absolutely

[@Paul-q3m7k]

Awesome . That 270wsm is no slouch .

[@hopefulballistics]

@@Paul-q3m7k yes sir

[@GoodGuysCarry]

270 WSM is an awesome caliber!

[@hopefulballistics]

@@GoodGuysCarry yes sir!

[@jessdurfee3817]

I have several loads worked up for my .270WSM. 1)130 gr. e tip 68.5 grs. of R22 going 3408fps. 2) 150 gr. Partition 66 grs. of R22 at 3184fps. 3) 130gr TTSX 61.8 grs. of 4451 going 3280. The next load I am going to try is going to be with 130 gr. TTSX and Hunter powder, my son uses that for his .30-06 and there are loads for it from Hodgdon.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@jessdurfee3817 awesome, thanks for sharing!

[@jonbaniak9097]

Great video! Another powder to consider is Superformance and R17. I’ve had great results with both in 300 WSM. God Bless!

[@hopefulballistics]

@@jonbaniak9097 awesome, thanks

[@stevepuyear2738]

YES! RL-16, RL-17, Superformance, WIN-760. ALL these powders make my WSM's SCREAM!!!

[@Off-target-xy6bx]

The WSM cartridges are pretty good. I have the 7wsm and it should be more popular. I know the new stuff in prc is better at longer ranges but for hunting it’s not enough difference to matter to me. Make the 7 wsm great again after your done with the 270. They need support from brass to factory loads. Pushing those projectiles at those velocities will handle about anything in North America. Thx for the work you do.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@Off-target-xy6bx thank you!

[@Paul-q3m7k]

The prc actually isn’t better . Just more available .

[@nickb8618]

@@Paul-q3m7k6.8 western, 6.5 prc, 7prc doesn’t do anything the 270wsm and 7wsm didn’t already achieve. 7prc is just a 7mm wsm lengthened to seat 190gr high bc bullets a little better and shoulder changed from 35 deg to 30 just for the sake of not copying the shoulder. I’m a 21 year user of the 7mm wsm. It’s been my go to since I graduated high school in 2002 for everything big game. The only thing the prc has over the wsm’s MARKETING! Hornady is just better at marketing than browning/winchester

[@ericdavis949]

I agree with you on that. I have a 270 WSM,7mm WSM and 300 WSM All 3 are better than any of the PRC rounds in my opinion

[@chrisrosenthal1210]

@@nickb8618 Except the added weight means about 500 ft pounds more energy at hunting ranges. The BC difference is pretty apparent at longer ranges too. Might be a difference of 40 or 60 inches of drift and 5 feet less drop. I personally shoot a 270 wsm, not knocking the 7 wsm. But the numbers don't lie. BC does matter lol That's the reason the OP here is trying to push those 165's...

[@bustabass9025]

I use MagPro exclusively in my Browning BAR semiautomatic .270 WSM. I don't load above 155 grains. Accuracy is great, velocity is good and the cartridge reliability is second to none.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@bustabass9025 right on!

[@brianperiso674]

Very nice video showing a lot of components, thank you. My first rifle was the .270 Win, but I do have a .300 WSM.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@brianperiso674 I appreciate it!

[@dhooter]

Staball 6.5. You’ll get some silly velocities 👍🤘

[@msquared9605]

They did make it great again! All they had to do was rename it the 6.8 western

[@hopefulballistics]

@@msquared9605 lol, 270 wsm is pretty great

[@robertmajors1737]

That 6.8 western is a pretty cool cartridge. If ADG had been making brass when I bought my 270wsm, I probably would have one of those instead.

[@rosalindstewart7013]

The 6.8 is a great round, trouble is I like them all but not enough money or room in the safe to have them all, 7wsm or 6.8 will be my next toy, cheers people ✌️

[@haroldhicks2696]

I love my 270 short mag

[@hopefulballistics]

@@haroldhicks2696 me too

[@matthewellis2673]

I been wondering why it's not more popular. 7mm mag power in short action. What's not to like?

[@hopefulballistics]

@@matthewellis2673 absolutely

[@exothermal.sprocket]

No free ride with geometry. Short fat usually loss of mag capacity, reduced barrel throat life, and the fact larger moderate cartridges exist that will accomplish just as much with less blast and more efficiency in some cases. But these are general principles in any caliber or cartridge comparison.

[@hopefulballistics]

@ “short fat” wouldn’t mean more throat erosion than any other magnum. Overbore is overbore whether the case is long or shorts. Seems like short fat cases have inaccurate accuracy qualities too due to consistent column burning, depending on case fill of course.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@hopefulballistics That's true as a general rule. Also agree with the burning efficiency.

[@gearhead682010]

But it doesn’t have 7mm Rem Mag power in any way shape or form so why waste time and money?

[@barktwid7057]

I bought my 270wsm in 2021. It is extremely accurate and fast. They are far underrated. I get over 3200fts with factory 130grn Federal ammo out of a Model 70.

[@hopefulballistics]

Awesome, thanks!

[@scotmcalexander9314]

Love the 270 wsm. Velocity is great but accuracy is everything. If all you want is speed work up a load with Hodgson superformance

[@hopefulballistics]

@@scotmcalexander9314 thanks

[@edwardhoward4708]

Good video, but I cut it short at 3:25 to go looking for your load data on 7mm/08!

[@hopefulballistics]

@@edwardhoward4708 ok

[@geothunder1971]

In retrospect It looks like Winchester lessened their promoting of the WSM family after the copywrite lawsuit, I'm all in for these cartridges and own a Model 70 Coyote in 270WSM, I think they are a great platform to build a custom rifle and to get into reloading which I am going to do in the future. I like the fact there's more powder capacity than both the 6.5 PRC and the 6.8 western, the limiting factor is bullet weight and barrel twist, can't wait to see the results!

[@hopefulballistics]

@@geothunder1971 awesome, thanks

[@shaylneoozeva6260]

With a good custom build faster twist and longer throat it would be nice

[@stomp4423]

I own the ruger .300WSM. Tack driver and its re0laced all my other 30 cals. I am looking to buy a .270wsm in the future. Short action mag, whats not to like. They can be fussy until you find the right load. Thanks for sharing!!

[@hopefulballistics]

@@stomp4423 thanks for watching and commenting

[@toddanderson572]

Long live the 270wsm!

[@hopefulballistics]

@@toddanderson572 yes sir!

[@phild9813]

Love the 270wsm. Bought a Tikka in one back in 2012 and have taken a lot of game with it. I’ve been saving brass and when I run out of factory ammo, I might rebarrel it with a faster twist 270wsm and start loading the 155 LRXs.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@phild9813 awesome, thanks for sharing!

[@TomL3grandsons]

Great video. I’m getting 3200 with factory Nosler Accu bonds 140 grain in my 280 AI, if haven’t hand loaded yet.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@TomL3grandsons thanks!

[@Manbunmen65]

I have two Hornady short magnums. Bought magnum powder, 129 and 150 ABLR to load up. Factory ammo is alright but inconsistent between the two rifles.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@Manbunmen65 thanks

[@DG2244]

Very nice video on an interesting cartridge. A lot of information here to digest. Can't wait to see some groups.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@DG2244 thank you!

[@Hudge76]

I’ve got the 270 WSM and 6.8 Western rifles. Got some Grand I am loading in the 6.8, but haven’t yet in the WSM. Moving to magnum primers for the grand as I was 200fps slower than published load data showed.

[@nickb8618]

Should have just rebarrelled ur 270wsm with 1-8 twist and forgot the 6.8 western. You would have been able to fire the higher bc bullets faster than the 6.8 with just a rebarrel

[@hopefulballistics]

@@Hudge76 nice

[@TheWVgoodguy22]

Fantastic and interesting results. As a 277 cal fan and WSM fan (have a 270 Win and 300 WSM) I like to see it. If I had the means to do so I would own a 270 WSM and 7 WSM to go with my 300 WSM

[@hopefulballistics]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@TheWVgoodguy22]

@ absolutely I did. Thanks for sharing. I might have to do a similar test with both of my rifles

[@headshakercharters7163]

67.3 grains of Reloader 26 Federal 215 Primers 145 Hornady Eld-X 3120fps out of my Tikka 3140 out of my buddy’s Browning Hells Canyon .33 groups. Got this load off a forum and it worked great for me. Getting Reloader 26 is the issue

[@hopefulballistics]

@@headshakercharters7163 sweet! Yeah it’s hard to find.

[@warrenpolidori5541]

IIRC you had a tough time finding this brass. My only concern with chasing velocity is shortened case life and loose primer pockets. Not saying it's going to happen, but it could be a reality. You did have great results, congrats on your work.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@warrenpolidori5541 true, thanks!

[@johnmcveigh6133]

H1000(66.9g), 150g Accubond, WLR primer, Norma Brass. 3100 +- 15fps.... Great cartridge!!! With 140's (IMR 4350) 3150+ fps. Have NOT tried Barnes 130 TTSX yet..... 105thou off the lands....

[@hopefulballistics]

Right on

[@sbhcmcc]

This is a great cartridge. I’ve gotten good results with RL22 and magpro. I haven’t tried some of the newer powders

[@hopefulballistics]

@@sbhcmcc right on

[@youngin881]

Been hunting with 270WSM since 2014 and it is a deer smokin machine.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@youngin881 right on! Thanks

[@gregorybozeman1684]

I tried Retumbo in my .270 WSM and if I can find more of it, it will be my go-to powder. I get 3200 with no pressure signs with 140 grain Nosler Accubonds and 140 grain Berger elite hunters. Its also a temp stable powder, and group sizes are sub-moa. Tikka T3X 24 inch barrel. These are compressed loads.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@gregorybozeman1684 nice!

[@brianevans3751]

140 accubond 63.5 grains of reloader 19 getting 3250 no pressure.

[@lorenweatherby6520]

My 270wsm shooting 170Berger elite hunter pushed by RL 26, 26" Bartlien barrel 1-8 twist 3,190 fps

[@hopefulballistics]

That’s crazy good

[@waltersobchak2973]

I was very happy using AA3100 when I got my 270wsm years ago. Then shortly thereafter it was discontinued. I've been using RL19 and 22, but picked up some Magpro but haven't had a chance to do any load development with it. I'm a bit hesitant to go with that for hunting loads given it's temperature sensitivity. Need to pick up some Grand and give it a try it seems. It's mostly for my entertainment as every load I've used on game with 130gr Accubonds have been excellent. Same for a friend that I load 130gr TTSX's for his 270WSM.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@waltersobchak2973 I appreciate your comment

[@trevorkolmatycki4042]

One of the many things I love about my Sako A7 300WSM is the surprisingly decent barrel life. I monitor all of my rifle bores with a borescope so I can observe throat erosion in real time. 2 years ago I got a 270WIN Xbolt and after the first 300 rounds I was surprised at how much faster that rifle bore is eroding compared to my other rifles. So I reckon the 270WSM is going to be shockingly overbore… especially when running hot double based loads. It is entirely possible that you will consume 50% of the barrel life or even more with load development and testing of this sort. Hey do you have a borescope?… if not… order up a teslong stat… you will be amazed by how much you will learn about internal ballistics… and they can record video and images. I think a video showcasing the condition of the bore of this 270WSM after running a whack of these hot test loads through it would be very interesting… and likely a touch disturbing. Cheers!

[@hopefulballistics]

@@trevorkolmatycki4042 thanks!

[@BigTimberLodge]

Very catchy title and thumbnail. I had to click and watch!

[@hopefulballistics]

@@BigTimberLodge right on, thanks

[@afader6898]

Give ramshot magnum a try, also, ive not had any issues with compressed loads in multiple calibers, i actually prefer it, compressed loads, great velocities, enjoyed the video

[@hopefulballistics]

Yes I prefer slightly compressed

[@louiskiser9989]

280 AI is an awesome round

[@matthewellis2673]

I loaded 150 ablr's with imr 4350. I really good group near max guess I will use

[@RON-m8c]

🕵‍♂️ So, According to "Unknown Munitions" in Post Falls Idaho, Their Factory Loaded 270 Winchester Ammunition - With The 165 grain Nosler ABLR's and IMR 4955 Enduron powder - is Getting 2,925 ft/s! 🤗 Honestly, I Would Be Happy With That For Hunting, Even Though Other Powders in Handloads Will Get Me More! 🤠

[@hopefulballistics]

2925 is just fine, but 3100 is more what I was hoping for.

[@shanerhodes925]

If memory serves me right. I think I was using Imr 4831 in 270 WSM with 140 partitions and that combo shot really good out of my Browning a bolt never knew how fast it was going but fast enough. Nothing took it to good when the bullet struck.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@shanerhodes925 nice

[@zebacake4683]

Just borrowed a 270wsm from a family friend thats busted, hoping u can fix it. Such underrated cartridges

[@hopefulballistics]

@@zebacake4683 yes it is

[@robertmajors1737]

Thank you for doing this. I have been studying up on the data to start my 270wsm load development. I'd selfishly love to see Grand tested with the 129 lrx. I have Magnum and a few others to try, but Grand looks like the new go-to powder for the 270wsm with medium weight bullets. I want to grab some of the Grand and Magpro, but I'd like to know some real world results before I order it.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@robertmajors1737 I think you’ve got some good powders there for the 270 wsm

[@robertmajors1737]

@hopefulballistics I made an error there, I meant Grand looks like the new go-to. I also have some rl19 and rl22, but I'm hesitant to try them since I can't replace it.

[@SPRINGTRAP209]

It’s the twist rate in the 2 different calibers

[@hopefulballistics]

@@SPRINGTRAP209 that would only affect being able to stabilize the heaviest bullets. When it comes to velocity the slower twist will actually be a little faster on muzzle velocity.

[@shanejohnson731]

Love the 270 wsm. Have tried N570 with success did you have to use a drop down tube? I found it challenging to get the long kernels in that small case.

[@kentforster8947]

Have you ever tried the 110gr TTSX. I have gotten 3560 with H4350 and 3600 with R17. Averaging 5/8-1/2 groups with my Tikka T3. Sub MOA at 600 yards. Kills deer like lightning. One of my sons killed his 5 point elk at 380 yards . Quarting slightly . Bullets entered last rib and broke the offside shoulder. Didn't take 5 steps. Give them a try . You won't be disappointed

[@hopefulballistics]

Nice! No I haven’t

[@donaldpowers8331]

Looks like it was a fun day, The 270 WSM is far superior to the 6.8 W, I am having a 28 inch 1in 8.5 KS Arms barrel made up for my X-bolt. The 165"s will be great on Elk.

[@hopefulballistics]

That’s will be nice!

[@rickyflare9551]

If I got a 270 wsm in a 1:8.5 twist would I still be able to shoot to 130-140gr bullets or would I have to jump up and use heavier bullets to get proper bullet stabilization?

[@hopefulballistics]

Yes you could still shoot the lighter bullets.

[@arlynhaaland6740]

Try Vihtavuori N560. Awesome stuff in that size case.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@arlynhaaland6740 better than 570?

[@rosalindstewart7013]

N555 is great in my dads 284, his line is, I use triple nickel of triple nickel, seems to work for him, cheers people ✌️

[@MattWright-k2t]

I run adi ar2217 which is Hodgkin H1000 equivalent. Very stable and I can easily get up over 3100fps with the eldx 145.

[@MattWright-k2t]

Hodgdon i meant

[@hopefulballistics]

@@MattWright-k2t it didn’t get me the velocities I wanted with 165s. But it’s a good powder.

[@MattWright-k2t]

@@hopefulballistics ADI ar2225 which I believe is the same as Retumbo got me better velocity with the heavier pills. Not quite as stable as the 2217 though

[@tahertz8544]

So why not the 6.8 Western? My understanding is, shooting heavier bullets in it , what caused the industry to do better twist rates in the 270win and then we can load bigger bullets in it also. Is this correct or not?

[@hopefulballistics]

@@tahertz8544 6.8 Western can shoot heavier bullets yes.

[@jameswilson5562]

Good video

[@hopefulballistics]

@@jameswilson5562 thanks!

[@MauserM18]

Have you tried 150 Accubond long range out of a 270 win (not wsm)? How was velocity and accuracy if you tried it?

[@hopefulballistics]

@@MauserM18 I haven’t

[@ericdavis949]

Hey buddy have you tried Hornady superformance powder

[@hopefulballistics]

@@ericdavis949 in 7mm08 and 30-06, not in 270 wsm

[@ericdavis949]

@@hopefulballistics ok buddy I know there is data for 300 WSM but I'm not sure for 270 WSM and 7mm WSM

[@BitsOfEternity]

I'm curious about the accuracy with that ABLR at ~3100fps. Specs look to indicate your barrel is a 1 in 10" twist, yes? I believe my Tikka T3 Lite is 1 in 9.5", though everywhere I look now, I read 1-10"... Anyway, I know it was stable on your older tests; it didn't flip end over like an FMJ would - but with this setup, at 100, 200, & 300y - if it is stable at 100, it should be even more stable at 300 (based on what the Barnes boys explained) - so accuracy would be interesting to test... I don't have a reload setup right now, so this issue is not pressing for me, yet (no pun intended) - I took some cartridges out this summer, to zero my scope, and now it shoots like a dream. I tested the zero at 50y, and all four rounds went into the 1" bullseye (shooting off a bag at the back, and a tripod at the front).

[@RON-m8c]

🤔 From Historical Documentation, You Would Expect That The 30-06 Case Would Give You About 100 ft/s More Velocity Potential Than The 308 case! However, With Your Tac Powder Example - Using The 130 grain Bullets - and Your Recent Testing (Using Other Powders and The 130, 136, and 140 grain Bullets in Your 270 WSM), You Should Be Able To See 2 Things: First, That Case Performance Really Depends Upon Finding The Ideal Powder For That Case! And, Second, That With Modern Bullets and Powders, That The Traditional 308 Winchester and 30-06 Cases (Whether For Those Parent Case Loadings or Their "Offspring") Are More Than Enough To Get The Job Done Afield! Thus, As I Always Say, NMN (No Magnum Necessary)! 😜

[@hopefulballistics]

True. Powder is the key. Burn rate and case fill.

[@Robert-n4p1g]

I have been trying the 110gr ttsx in my 270wsm you can can get real close to 3600 fps

[@hopefulballistics]

@@Robert-n4p1g nice, what powder?

[@WillardGrant]

And a 26inches barrel

[@nickb8618]

Make the 7mm wsm great again! It beats the 270wsm 6.8 western and matches the 7mm prc. You’re talking .2mm difference from the 270, wider selection of bullets for the .284 and the 7mm wsm has smidge more case capacity than the 270wsm. 7mm wsm has always been superior to the 270wsm in options for reloading

[@hopefulballistics]

@@nickb8618 congratulations, you like a cartridge different than what this video is about.

[@myronman3]

and the 300 beats the 7mm. when it comes to the WSMs, the 300 is the best. the 270wsm doesnt offer a big enough jump from the 270 win to win me over. with my handloads, i am getting 2900 fps for the nosler 150 bt. the listed velocities for the wsm aren't enough over that to make a smidge bit of difference. now the 300; thats another story. never understood the reason for the 300 wsm until i shot one. 300win mag performance with 270 winchester recoil. so wha caliber to i shoot today? still with the 270 win. but it's nice to have choices.

[@RonaldColeman-ef2rc]

Use ram shot Big Game powder or stabal

[@hopefulballistics]

You think they’re better?

[@RonaldColeman-ef2rc]

I think you can get more speed with stabil for sure

[@hopefulballistics]

@@RonaldColeman-ef2rc what grain bullet? What velocity do you think I can get?

[@Robert-n4p1g]

I use reloader 17 with 110gr ttsx 3550to 3590 fps

[@hopefulballistics]

@@Robert-n4p1g very nice

[@mr.mr.3301]

I wish the 7wsm did not die out.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@mr.mr.3301 I agree

[@bradd8383]

What about 100 grain copper Hornady

[@hopefulballistics]

@@bradd8383 I’ll look into that thanks

[@WillardGrant]

Just think what you could do with 270wsm if you had a long throat and a fast twist

[@hopefulballistics]

@@WillardGrant yeah, but it’s pretty good the way it is.

[@dominicteresi3835]

Isn't the 270 wsm the same as a 6.8 western

[@dhooter]

Or try Retumbo

[@jaimesanborn308]

6.5 prc already did that!! 😂😂😂

[@hopefulballistics]

@@jaimesanborn308 did what?

[@jaimesanborn308]

@hopefulballistics Replaced that obscure 270 wizzum...

[@hopefulballistics]

@ to each his own

[@RON-m8c]

🤷‍♂️ I Am Curious If You Have Talked With Austin on What The GRT Program Says You Should Be Able To Get With The 165 grain ABLR's and N570 Powder? He Told Me That It Says a Standard 270 Winchester - With That 165 grain Bullet and Powder - Should Get 3,000 ft/s! 🔥 Which is Similar To What I've Seen People Getting With The 6.8 Western! 🤭 Save The 6.8 Western? 🤔 WHY??? 😳

[@hopefulballistics]

Yes I talked with him about it.

[@RON-m8c]

@hopefulballistics So, What Was The Answer Austin Gave You? What Did GRT Say Was The Velocity Potential of The 270 wsm Case and How Does That Compare To The 6.8 Western's Velocity Potential? Just Curious About These Differences? 🧐

[@hopefulballistics]

@ I was asking him what his friend used in 6.8 Western. He plugged in the numbers and said pressure wasn’t bad. We thought we get over 3,000. That was all that was said.

[@RON-m8c]

@hopefulballistics Thanks!

[@CircleBrewery]

Is it a 1:10 twist ?

[@hopefulballistics]

Yes

[@shanevonharten3100]

Was it actually ever great

[@hopefulballistics]

@@shanevonharten3100 it’s just a title. Don’t overthink it….and yes it still is.

[@EasternMountainHunters]

I love the 270wsm but Winchester just sucks at supplying brass and ammo. I wouldn’t be interested in getting a 270wsm unless they released the brass for other manufacturers. The only reason the PRC calibers have been so successful is they are actually being supported. Talk all the trash about Hornady all you want they support their products.

[@Accuracy1st]

ADG makes 270WSM brass.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@EasternMountainHunters this brass is Norma.

[@EasternMountainHunters]

@@Accuracy1st that’s the first I’ve heard that they have made it I don’t own one but know a few that have them and they never shoot them due to no ammo or brass ever available

[@EasternMountainHunters]

@@hopefulballistics very nice. I did not know a few companies made brass I’ve looked for it but never very hard. I stuck with the 270 Winchester due to availability. My dream build would be a 7 RSAUM but I’m not going to ever do it for availability issues.

[@Accuracy1st]

@@EasternMountainHunters ADG just took on making it and 6.8 Western brass. There's quite a bit of 270 WSM ammo available online. Kir ammo in TX has plenty

[@botijaism]

The deer would have died if you hit it in any of those spots

[@hopefulballistics]

@@botijaism yep

[@hiramhaji7813]

How about no, there’s nothing wrong with the 270 Winchester …. How about learn how to shoot and understand what shot placement is.

[@hopefulballistics]

@@hiramhaji7813 I didn’t say a word about the 270 Winchester. How about you never watch or comment again? Make us both happy.

[@craigsmith9333]

Im building a 7mm WSM

[@hopefulballistics]

@@craigsmith9333 right on