The Chilling Greyhound Bus Case - Justice Served? | Mystery&Makeup GRWM Bailey Sarian

[@zoe-iu5ut]

this has always been the story that has scared me the most. a complete stranger attacking you for no reason. it makes my social anxiety 1000x worse

[@marshaymylov21]

zoe this... this comment right here

[@theonionqueen3519]

Same I agree. I also love your icon. Gyro is best jobro.

[@linnymaemullins3319]

Can't let them get the drop on you honey!

[@bruh-dd3tb]

i agree gyro

[@zoemorgan2909]

In public, and in front of people too.

[@Tiffany-vr6gs]

Who’s here in a 2020 binge watching because you discovered Bailey just now and can’t stop??? 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@Teklii_]

Once you go bailey you can't go back

[@ok8371]

meeeee

[@rene925]

Guilty 🙋🏻‍♀️

[@krystalgrimes716]

Definitely me!

[@w0nnieeden]

me!!

[@mayrose9387]

Poor Tim , he was just a nice guy in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[@TannerisSmol97]

Who said Tim was a great guy? Saying high doesn't determine your past or character

[@fantasyalover4782]

@@TannerisSmol97 Tim nicely greeting Vince despite he's a stranger, already shows a lot about him. as not many of people are like that.

[@dishasaha3063]

@@TannerisSmol97 even if he wasn't a "nice" person which most of us fail to be.. he didn't deserve this at all!

[@vivr670]

​​​@@TannerisSmol97Tim didn't deserve this you idi/ot

[@bellaciao8863]

This was a messy case. The parents of Tim filed a case against the police. The police really did bad in this. They just watched and waited for 4 hours while Tim was being mutilated, eaten, and decapitated. What parent could accept that? The police were so lenient. They could have stormed the bus to stop him from desecreting Tim's body but no, they just waited and watched for 4 hours!!!!

[@cg-vt2nq]

so sad

[@dejanelleb8915]

This story sounds utterly terrifying and traumatizing and even though he has schizophrenia, it angers me greatly that someone like this walks free. All prayers to Tim’s family and all of the witnesses

[@tarinacolette8945]

Right like not to mention how those people or any one who knew feel knowing someone they saw do that is walking free, just living in fear waiting to see if he does it again

[@trvgic76]

This was by far the most horrifying case I’ve heard from her. I never felt so shocked and disgusted. He shouldn’t walk free. He’s a danger to society.

[@PaigeyPie95]

Because here in Canada our justice system is a joke.

[@laurieh4742]

If he's medicated which he is he has to get his sho5 once a month if he doesn't go get it then he gets put back ... wouldn't you want to be released if you did something not in your right mind CLEARY as this man had undetected schizophrenia? I sure would want a second chance but do me a favor think of how Vince feels in his right mind knowing what he did. It's sad all around but he deserves another chance that was criminal justice working correctly

[@elenajohnson6336]

My cousin is schizophrenic, unfortunately he also killed someone (not as brutal as this case) and he will likely never be back outside even though he’s only in his 30s. This guy should never have been released, the details are utterly sickening - poor Tim.

[@janetjcfreak]

I dont know why I found this one way more disturbing than the cannibal ones. So sad for Tim.

[@QueefCheef]

I think because it hits so close to home, almost all of us once drove with such a bus so it's so surreal

[@tarinacolette8945]

Also just the fact he was showing off the items and there was like a bunch of people watching and he showed the freaking head off to them like that's just disturbing not to mention him eating the freaking body parts like 🤮 I would literally never live the same again if I witnessed that

[@leilablue]

And one of those cannibal guys had consent

[@tonntonns16]

Technically there was a little cannibalism... Just a little. But I was definitely more bothered by this.

[@MaryGraceRu]

i think that apart from the victim who died, this event also traumatized people which makes the victim list longer. and imagining witnessing something like this just... it gives me chills really. it’s so terrifying

[@angelf.1042]

I feel so sad for Tim. I can’t imagine what his last moments were like. He must have felt absolutely terrified, and alone. Poor man. May his soul Rest In Peace😢

[@QueenPoison_]

Angel F. could not agree more, this was absolute madness. so many prayers and love to these victims and families. this is so awful.

[@sarahwhorton7511]

his wife was pregnant too i have a little sister and once when i was felt my life was almost gone i could only think about how much i was going to miss and how awful it was gonna be for her i can only imagine how much he might have thought about his unborn child in those moment and the thoughts that flashed through his head in that moment of terror before death

[@jessa6070]

I really hope it was over quickly before he knew what was really happening. 🙏

[@CaraRowen]

Exactly, this is so heinous. And while Vince definitely had a psychotic break, I feel like he should have to be monitored forever. Like jfc.

[@williamchua7261]

I highly doubt he felt pain for so long. You will pass out immediately once blood vessels are severed.

[@cookingwithvince]

He KNEW he had schizophrenia and deliberately chose not to take his medication. In that light, I feel that he is 100% fully accountable.

[@Jamangel]

Fr

[@cmtaylor]

most schizophrenics are only dangerous to themselves (self-neglect, victimization due to bizarre behaviors and beliefs). it's VERY rare that a schizophrenic person is violent towards others.

[@Borntu]

​@@Jamangelfuck reality?

[@Poopeecheecks]

I agree

[@kendrabeasley7639]

Yes ma'am

[@User-gh9kf]

I mean shoutout to the bus drivers though. They really took care of their passengers and showed a lot of courage. Also this look is STUNNING

[@sumerurose8586]

yes but they put themselves in so much danger in those situations its best to save as many people as you can and not play the hero

[@keiraivory9747]

blanche also to I believe the name was Chris (the truck driver)

[@keiraivory9747]

h h that is true but the other passengers were safe and this was to try and save Tim’s life

[@arnandogericke351]

She could talk about a piece of rotten ham and I would still love every moment of it

[@mihlemtshwane3358]

Arnando Gericke I love the fact that you watch these too. I follow you on IG and I absolutely love your work! 😭❤️ Love from Cape Town x

[@nettieharris]

You should watch your Saturday uploads!

[@itsajones9716]

Right? Lol I find her whole demeanor so soothing! And what a gorgeous girl inside and out :)

[@Cats_and_Crime]

I missed this bus by 7 minutes to go to Winnipeg. Still think about how lucky I was not to have to witness this horrific event.

[@sleepyjony]

very lucky, it was 12 years ago

[@anachavez7949]

dammmm i wouldn’t even imagine if I were too see that☹️

[@ainsleahliederbach4382]

honestly, I m so thankful you were not there. i don't know you but I am glad

[@anachavez7949]

@@ainsleahliederbach4382 yessss!!

[@Tieralovee]

SAME. I was supposed to be on that bus and canceled a day before the incident.

[@katelynrushe9025]

If Vince really was “putting on a show” at one point because he knew the other passengers were watching, I feel like that’s a clue that he was at least partially aware of what he was doing.

[@peachyqueen4399]

That, and the fact that he made the premeditated choice to bring a large hunting knife with him on the bus. He may have had schizophrenia, but he was clearly lucid enough to plan SOMETHING ahead of time...

[@mjhorvath2336]

He knew exactly what he was doing! Witnesses have done interviews about the horror! He's a sicko who needs to be locked up for life!

[@Jamangel]

Fr

[@Jamangel]

@@peachyqueen4399 !!

[@IFuckingLoveCheeze]

Okay,felt the power in the theme song today. *Sis snapped* 😎✌

[@MommaT711]

When she put her finger up to her ear, I knew it touched my soul

[@_ryster09_]

Tiffani Shehan your comment needs more recognition 😂😂

[@DianeRowland1]

Best theme song ever! Shar shar shar shar shar shar!

[@ghostiiiekun6636]

Prob cuz she already recorded it that day amd deleted that video 😂

[@clairemcnaughtan4095]

If his claim is that he got on the bus and THEN heard the voices - WHY on earth did he have a large knife in his bag? Seems like a planned event and that if it wasn’t Tim on the bus it would have been someone else anyway. How awful.

[@jaceymelanie9643]

so true. i didn't realize it until i read this

[@SauveDraco]

WAIT, that is true. I totally didnt think about that 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@marchetta22]

thought the same thing……………. him having a machete with him is premeditated

[@selenarivers2576]

he so called heard the spirits before when he sat in the front of the bus.. he could have gotten the knife during their break.

[@sarahom5297]

@@selenarivers2576 I guess the spirit also told him to chop him off into pieces and eat it.

[@sadjeahours7682]

When you poked yourself in the eye with the mascara, i felt that

[@MsButterflysting]

@@BaileySarian I'm sorry & I felt that too. Sidenote: how do you report someone who was reported on Jen's channel for calling people the "C" word & other violent language towards them, to have come over to your community? Sorry, I don't know how to DM on YT.

[@alejandragaliciagonzalez8358]

It actually physically hurt me lol

[@catenthusiast81]

I flinched Bailey. I felt your pain.

[@bekahnavarro]

Ooh me too. I do that a lot.

[@gamesunlimitedgames]

ik man she carried on STRONG 💪

[@elizabethcatt6507]

Imagine being one of the witnesses and seeing Vince just walking around free. Their one comfort would have been knowing that he's not out in society, and that's been taken away.

[@elizabethdelvecchio8059]

Bailey: “He ended up being fully discharged” Me: *looks up from my drink w wide eyes* Bailey: *stares back at me w wide eyes* *bailey and I continue to make surprised/dissatisfied eye contact*

[@sunnydazewithtessa22]

Elizabeth Del Vecchio why did I literally just do this hahahaha yessss

[@lilyelizabeth7440]

He had extremely bad untreated mental illnesses

[@SilverSunshine10]

Schizophrenia is a known disorder that can convince the person not to take meds or get help. If they take meds and get better they get convinced they're better forever and don't need it. It literally degrades your brain matter it causes actual brain damage from the moment it manifests. It literally eats away at your brain and is similar to dementia. Like I hate to do that but it is the one condition that literally is complete shut down of the brain making any sense. It's really messed up Bailey didn't do any research on schizophrenia to understand why it works this way.

[@allimJ]

@@SilverSunshine10 Yes.....I suffer an invisible illness myself, and that hit hard.....and I am a nurse, I feel for schicophrenics. Its such a incredible difficult and terrible illness. The reaction here just saddend me deeply. -_-

[@olivberr]

Lily Elizabeth sounds like untreated by his choice though.

[@shelleybby]

PLEASE make a podcast where u just chat about true crime for a few hours!! it might actually give my life purpose

[@alexacasey2313]

shell sykes i second this

[@Z4rat3]

AGREED!

[@ClaudiaHernandez-rr7vv]

yes!!

[@carissam83]

Yes please...!!!

[@nicolegomez1046]

shell sykes I would listen to that podcast daily

[@essie3456]

Bailey missed the part where Tim’s mother was watching the news that day and seen what had happened but they didn’t show or say who the victim was. At lunch Tims mother and family said a prayer for that victim and their family not knowing they were the victims family /:

[@mmblue3986]

That is unbelievable sad about the family. Im glad that fate or coincidence kept you save.

[@essie3456]

@@mmblue3986 Yes ):

[@dexterlogan7062]

Oh my gosh, the poor family. This made me even more upset. I cant believe they were watching this before knowing it was him, and praying for the victim. What a horrifying nightmare and he seemed so full of life

[@Dragonleo1986]

Wow…how incredibly sad

[@stephaniemumm522]

WOW...

[@caramelbilquees]

Poor Tim he was robbed of his life while the disgusting perpetrator doesn't even get a criminal record??? Neither much jail time. Such an injustice

[@rylee4268]

the worst part of these stories isn't just that people are killed but that their bodies are treated so atrociously afterwards. nobody deserves to be mutilated or beheaded or eaten, even if they're already dead :(

[@Meekahel]

It's hard trying to understand, and I always try. But deep down I know there's no logical reason... and there will always be people like this... as I read in a book, "There's two types of people, the pacifists and the violent people. Unfortunately the latter always have the last word". :/

[@immydubby5789]

What about incinerated?

[@peepsahoyy5497]

That’s all tf I’m saying bro he was so proud when he did ts now he just free???

[@amethyst1826]

@@immydubby5789 If you mean cremated, well that's different, that's a form of funeral!!

[@ashleymartinez7233]

So true, that is sad and disrespectful

[@emlypearl]

Other youtubers: I wont upload on Monday because of labor day Bailey: Hi Guys!!!

[@misschels975]

The real MVP!

[@juliagulia5823]

Right! Love her

[@bexryder]

🙌

[@beautytryouts]

@@misschels975 the real GOAT❗☺

[@rachelperson-brookrealtor9617]

Emily Pearl she always does on a holiday. Love her! 🖤

[@barbarabell2658]

I think that even if he was not responsible for the act, he was responsible for taking his meds. If he made the choice not to take his meds then he is responsible for the results of not taking them.

[@MelissaRose444]

Barbara Bell that’s facts!

[@beatricebenedetti]

Wasn't he undiagnosed? I just started watching the video but I already know the case, and I remember he was undiagnosed, so he actually wasn't prescribed any medication? Not sure tho so correct me if I'm wrong

[@brooke5126]

Beatrice Benedetti At the 7:30 minute mark she explains that he was diagnosed with schizophrenia in 2005. It was left untreated meaning he never took the medication for it.

[@cagedcrinoline454]

One of the symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia is delusions, even whilst on medication, that often make people think that the meds are poisoning them or something similar. They often follow a pattern of going on and off their meds.

[@marmelaota1703]

Also he was carrying a big knife with him. So he was ready to use it?

[@cbearx]

This is hands down the most disturbing story I’ve heard on this channel especially for how public it was and how many people were around. The fact that this can just happen from a person sitting next to him on the bus is horrifying

[@marthmallow7420]

recently i was thinking about why someone might sit next to you when there's plenty of other empty seats...this video did not help

[@georgiabarone271]

As soon as he was deemed fit enough to be discharged, he should've been transferred to prison to serve time for his actions, or should've been made to stay in the facility because what if he decides not to take his medication again? It'll just happen again. If he is stable enough to be released into the community then he is also stable enough to serve time for his actions 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@paigeelliott3395]

Georgia Barone completely agree!

[@josmith4173]

Yep 👍

[@enchantinglyromantic]

Exactly!!!!

[@denisemarie3734]

Agreed!!

[@LauraLaura-mv4xh]

absolutely. this was horrific and I really feel for Tim's family

[@radicalthea1271]

*You’re always the highlight of my week* 🤩

[@curlsanonymous1356]

radicalthea this is random but you’re very pretty!

[@d.m.173]

Same!

[@kazakukog]

what would a week without Bailey even be?

[@sonialisbeth1207]

This made me so mad, literally people who have killed in self defense are still charged, he should’ve been sent to jail, the system failed Tim

[@Lavendermoon77]

i really feel like the system failed both of them

[@stephaniekerr555]

Royal Canadian Mounted Police

[@josefingren]

I feel like the system failed all involved, even the passengers that witnessed everything...

[@melaniethompson4636]

I totally concur! Vince should never be allowed to walk free! I've worked with many schizophrenic patients and, those who have criminal backgrounds, never get to live independently. It is infuriating.

[@Ayla876]

This is Canada. Our justice system is pretty f***ed. Too Lax.

[@cambriascolex]

On TikTok, I saw a news interview of one of the passengers sitting in the same row as Tim McLean and he was coherent enough to tell the story, but you could tell he was in shock and would definitely need some counseling afterward :( what if he does it again?? And I never knew he had a son! Poor Colleen, imagine losing your boyfriend, the father of your unborn child in such a horrific way and then his parents sue you for custody and you lose your son too :( I hope she's okay, man...

[@BurkeyKing]

Literally! So gross of them to do

[@jamiezuzu7326]

Yea I’m going through it with my son’s aunt who wants my son….

[@cambriascolex]

@@jamiezuzu7326 I’m so sorry that’s happening 💕 I hope it works out for you and your kiddo

[@aaronbruns2726]

Considering Li attacked at complete random, how can they ever feel sure he won't again? Let alone less than a decade after it happened

[@philsurtees]

@Kanako Yoarashi He's tested to make sure he's taking his meds. Obviously he shouldn't be in prison.

[@dancingfirefly7761]

He should NEVER have been released. NEVER!! He has proven he is a danger to society, and it is the job of the legal system to make sure he doesn't.

[@BasedTitanG]

@@philsurtees wouldnt it be bettrr for him to be isolated in prison with access to meds? Just to be safe. In case he stops his meds and does it again.

[@julianmaier3967]

Lets just hope that this guy never comes to europe 🥵🥶

[@julianmaier3967]

I would say they should send him home. In China we would be in a working jail, and eating dog food

[@michaelaburks1463]

Makes me so irate that people are allowed to change their names after committing such heinous acts..

[@pangatodd5143]

Not insane. He would not have changed his name if he was.

[@ripsandyjlopez8328]

Its for his protection, and he’s schizophrenic

[@andreadouglas4738]

Yes, it should be illegal!

[@saschavest]

Same. Especially, "innocent," homewreclers like Nicole Kessinger

[@ughlymatty5666]

@@ripsandyjlopez8328 and what about the community though? Where’s their protection?

[@jewelsyh5368]

When bailey started her story with tim's story,, i thought tim is the criminal in this case and i was like " he sounds like a sweet boy though" but when i listened that he is the victim,, i am angry and sad now ..

[@elsaqueiros3913]

Me too..

[@Lyndseyzee]

If he was really so remorseful, he would understand he needs to be held accountable. This whole thing was infuriating. I can’t even imagine how painful this is to Tim’s family.

[@diedregreen3392]

My husband at the time was on the second grey hound bus. The one that pulled into help. I remember him calling me and the screaming was so horrific. It was life changing for us.

[@daisymay6505]

I’m so sorry for you and your husband, no one ever deserves to have to go through something like that my deepest sympathies go out for you and your family 😔

[@kerrywunder511]

I am so sorry. I can’t imagine how this changed your lives

[@dlo111]

I remember this. The entire country was devestated, I can't even imagine the family, the busses or truck driver or even the RCMP officers that day. 😭 I sincerely hope your husband is OK now, and he was able to put this horrific day into his background.

[@DawnKellyMedia]

😳

[@jennybeYOUty]

😞

[@katc6365]

i love how you tell these cases as if you’re gossiping to a friend. really adds on to how interesting the cases are💚

[@user-hw5ys6ng1l]

I think that's one of the reasons we all love her videos so much... Not at all like she's reading from a script like a lot of other True Crime YTers do... and they make it really obvious.

[@lunavalcreations]

Yes, this. Like how I chat with my other friends into true crime cases.

[@justmelissa7010]

girls !!! SAME.

[@pixiehopper8]

There were also three people trapped in the back with him when this was going on. One was an old lady, and this guy had to help her and the others climb over the seats to get away. So scary. I think they definitely definitely should have kept Vince in a hospital for life. What happens the next time he doesn’t take his meds?! That’s crazy.

[@nosesonroses]

I completely agree. At the very least he should NOT be living independently, but in a hospital or, at the very least, a group home. Here's hoping he continues his medication.

[@aprillittle595]

Definitely. 😡

[@lorenarzadon9758]

I heard there was a child on the bus who suffered from ptsd and depression and was taken from her mother because she wasn’t “fit to raise her” anymore. It’s horrible

[@Fluffy-Fluffy]

@@lorenarzadon9758 no the mother had PTSD

[@hdsp100]

I have a brother with schizophrenia. I have taken many classes and workshops on schizophrenia specifically. I have worked for county and state institutions. This person needs to be institutionalized for life. Many times statistically people with schizophrenia DO NOT stay on their meds! They take them feel better, then stop taking them. Just like most people with antibiotics….they think they are better once stabilized and no longer need them. It is a viscous cycle!

[@morganpaulina7825]

Tim lived a few blocks away from me in winnipeg, i always appreciate seeing youtubers like you cover less known cases from smaller town like us, also love the way you say Regina 😂

[@aamandazittlau5505]

Morgan Fahlman lol the way she said Regina was so cute... but also it made me realize it’s spelled the same as the name Regina but they’re pronounced so different 🤔

[@pusteheart]

My daughter is 5 and Regina is her favourite Canadian city to say. She thinks it's Hilarious!

[@morganpaulina7825]

Aamanda Zittlau i know i only recently realized that too, i never thought of it to be pronounced as the name aha

[@l.b.3935]

The case was covered in Germany, I remember the news about it from back then and was horrified because a friend of mine went backpacking in Canada shortly afterwards travelling on greyhound busses

[@DannaCat]

Morgan Fahlman Fellow Winnipeger here, I giggled at “Regina” too 😂

[@quinna419]

Very sad story. Rest in peace Tim McLean. Prayers to ALL witnesses effected.

[@Ximiqify]

I met him at a carnival in Seabird Island. He was so sweet to me and my daughter. My daughter was kinda scared and he reassured her it was safe and he would tae care of us. On every revolution, he smiled and waved at us. He asked her if she like it after. He was so very nice to us! This was a shocking story. Prayers to his family.

[@laurieb3703]

Oh man..... That's so heartbreaking

[@dimilton3166]

🥺 Thanks for sharing.

[@ireneangelucci3733]

That's heartbreaking 😔

[@louloulou5894]

I live in Manitoba. I remember when this happened. The entire country was shaken by this. Vince Lee gets to walk freely among us and live his life normally which is tragic for the McLean family. RIP Tim

[@trachel7052]

I’ve heard podcasts on this story and I remember that one of the first responders ended up suffering PTSD so badly that he took his own life. Vincent should 100% not be walking free. He missed his meds once, who’s to say he won’t miss it again? Terrifying.

[@daisymay6505]

I personally don’t think he “missed” his meds I think he purposely didn’t take them, that coupled with the fact that he had a large knife concealed in his bag BEFORE he got on the bus, I think this was premeditated 🙁😡

[@dlo111]

His mother advocated hard for his release. I remember, it was all over the news.

[@May-tm4wb]

Wait. He’s out?

[@mollyprysunka4828]

He had a straight hunting knife. A computer programmer. Riiiiiiiiiight, that all checks out.

[@regant.cameron8237]

He will be being monitored and given Depot shots which make non compliance impossible.

[@BrittanyAW]

This nightmare shook a lot of Canadians and angered many on Vince’s release. Also, sadly one of the RCMP officers that attended this call took his own life because of severe ptsd. So many suffered, such a sad world.

[@Michelle-by9fp]

That is terrible about the police!

[@teresalawes4376]

His name was Cpl Ken Barker and he was one of the police dog handlers that arrived first on scene. He was a kind man and his loss has been felt throughout the RCMP family.

[@Michelle-by9fp]

@@teresalawes4376 wow that is terrible! So heartbreaking! My husband is in the same career so I can imagine what it did to him. That is so so unfortunate 😔

[@spongemonkeysooz]

@@Michelle-by9fp Thank you both... I couldn't imagine having a family member being in the police force now. 😬I hope it's better in Canada.

[@Michelle-by9fp]

@@spongemonkeysooz Thank you! No kidding, we are in the US. It is a nightmare, but we believe it is his calling so he is trying to stick it out. Even though our state is extremely anti-police and currently trying to pass several more laws that will essentially "handcuff police". But out state is paradise for criminals (New Mexico). It's a shame.

[@bunnimoon7853]

this look is giving me slime and sprite vibes and i love it

[@asmodeusfran]

As a mentally ill person, I can empathize with the canadian system to help heal, but after they are done giving therapy, they should serve in prison.

[@c0763]

YES

[@tonchobg652]

Forget every horror movie you've ever watched... This... this right here is the stuff of nightmares! I would need lifetime therapy if I witnessed that. And what if one day he forgets his medications again. He should not be free.

[@ryoung4732]

I think I need therapy after listening to it. This is the most disturbing story that I have heard from Bailey.

[@drama2u]

I never get how do we expect a sick person to remember to take their medication 💊

[@Cheshirestog]

@@drama2u it isn't forgetting often. It's a complicated issue and different for various people. Some of them don't like the side effects, others stigma of being on medication and how they were educated to think of it. BUT it also depends on the person. The mentally ill are more likely to hurt themselves, but when you get someone like this and to this extent it is a big shock.

[@drama2u]

@@Cheshirestog I understand what you’re saying..some just forget and some just don’t want to…but still…either way they need help..

[@bella7789]

@@ryoung4732 same. im not usually that disturbed by true crime stories but this... this is insane

[@rainbowsnugglefritz]

It would be really awesome to start an organization that helps victims and witnesses of crimes.

[@ivyshazmar4056]

There is I forgot what it’s called but I’m pretty sure it’s only in some states

[@princesspeach3336]

OhHeyIvy are you trying to think of the witness protection program?

[@ivyshazmar4056]

Holographic Narwhals oh probably

[@hallie9110]

100% agree with you girl. Tim wasn’t the only victim. I feel so bad for all those witnesses, I could never imagine what those poor people are going through and his family and friends :(

[@cindymcgaughey6315]

I got off that bus when vince got on. My dad observed vince acting weird. He had a funny feeling about him. My father actually pointed Vince out to me.

[@_ryster09_]

Bailey: *says name twice* “my apologies” 😂😂

[@annieegetyourgun6882]

I know, I love her

[@mysterykiddo2167]

We’ve all done that at some point

[@Sxanc]

“Uhmmm, f*ck that I’m going over here” mood of the year 😂😂

[@jahtinakki]

Sián-Adey Carter me going to work but turning around to go home at the last minute 🤣

[@xoxokrissi]

So nobody said “Hey, let’s NOT let this guy out because if he goes off his meds again, it could happen AGAIN?” Just disrespectful to all the victims especially a guy just living his happy life. Ugh!

[@topoisomerace]

Also dangerous to everyone else. Some people don't deserve a second chance.

[@Niffer2020]

Canada's legal system is a joke.

[@chrysichrysi7889]

@acup oflemon Imo he should have gotten life and forced to take his meds.

[@bridgetteschreiber3418]

I would never be able to live with myself to not have to tried to even to do something to help this poor victim....(unless they did and it was not in this video..) The only one seemed to be the 2nd bus driver......I can't even imagine to have to live with those memories of what happened.... And they let this guy go?!?!!!!;?!!!!!! Nay nay

[@candacesoeder8683]

@@Niffer2020 it definitely is a joke. We need a better justice system but that isn't going to happen anytime soon

[@shandrakindred7897]

Absolutely love your sense of humor. Thank you for "normalizing talking about dark interests" and making it glamorous with makeup. Would love to see more unsolved and missing persons case. Maybe some of us crime junkies can help solve some- you inspire us with see something say something. Your personality is delightful. Keep up the great work lovely!

[@grammyjan]

Vince may not belong in jail, but he belongs in an institution for the rest of his life. The act was beyond violent. Who is responsible if this happens again? There is a reason why these individuals end up in jail here in the states, there isn't a great place for them as they are violent and can't be kept in a traditional psychiatric hospital.

[@Cinder_311]

Wait...he's here..?👁👁

[@gailgilmour-lim9127]

@@Cinder_311 . I believe that they shut all or most of them down due to many violations against the patients.

[@scraidywolf7081]

I heard those places are worse than jail.

[@toriamonet6712]

he belongs in prison for life

[@icedfox9747]

He's free and walks the streets. He changed his name.

[@kendram6579]

I can’t believe those poor passengers weren’t offered help. They went through such a horrific thing.

[@adj4518]

Yes, exactly! Five men (or less) can restrain 1 man with a knife. Shame on all the passengers for not helping. Cowards!

[@mnshine2511]

@@adj4518 well not really, the man had a knife so he could have harmed anyone just with a swift move.

[@puapuapua3]

They should've gotten psychological first aid, but I'm not sure if that was a thing back there. One of the main purposes of PFA is for the people not to develop PTSD

[@ang3lic_gutzz182]

Actually we were offered counseling for ptsd. I til this day still have nightmares and I still continue to see a psychologist because this incident caused such extreme ptsd I have not taken a greyhound bus since.

[@autumnpendleton1396]

@@ang3lic_gutzz182 i'm glad they offered that but i am sorry you went through such a traumatic incident

[@beckieross9122]

Also this case is probably one of the most bizarre and gruesome 🤮

[@jennifermillott3737]

I live in Edmonton and remember when this happened. My husband (who was my boyfriend at the time) had to take a Grey Hound to Calgary not long after this happened. They were checking everyone's bags and luggage and had police and dog units everywhere. Oh and RCMP is short for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police

[@Luna-Joy.]

As a calgarian, I absolutely remember this happening. I also had to take a greyhound shortly after this and the security was stepped up so much. Unfortunately I've also gotten on greyhounds after this in smaller towns where there is virtually NO security and it always blew my mind because that's partially how things like this happen. When nobody is there to search bags etc then anyone could be bringing anything on to the bus. Hope you and your husband are doing well!! 🩷

[@patrycjazdunek8799]

I have bipolar depression and I know if I miss taking my meds I’ll spend the rest of the day snapping at people for the tiniest things. This is 100% his responsibility. He needs to be locked away.

[@carmen-janebychkova3516]

did you even listen, medications are expensive. He obviously can't afford it as he had to sell his mf luggage to make money. this happened while he was schizophrenic, so he can not control what he was doing, so he can not be fully be held accountable, people like you should do your research.

[@TallulahFoxxx]

Armani berg I have a psychology degree and I agree. What I DON’T agree with though is his full release. Considering what happens when his condition goes untreated, he should have been kept longer in a mental facility I think. Statistically, very few schizophrenics are violent and if they are, they’re most likely to hurt themselves than others. The issue is, the ones who DO hurt others tend to have more severe forms of the condition. It’s fine when they’re on their medication but unfortunately the OP is missing a HUGE part of the issue with schizophrenia. It’s not like bipolar. Schizophrenia is true madness. Your brain literally cannot tell the difference between reality and imagination. That part of your brain is disabled. If he’s late taking his meds due to an unavoidable occurrence (eg. Lost his keys and can’t get into his house for hours, or a blizzard prevents him getting home from work etc) those paranoid thoughts quickly manifest! Those paranoid thoughts say things like “the medication is poison! They’re trying to control your mind! Don’t take them!” ☺️ Their ability to rationalise is completely affected, so unfortunately they don’t have that awareness to have responsibility. Bipolar can have manic episodes, but the vital component is you still can separate the real world from imagination. If you suddenly saw a tiger in your kitchen, you might initially get a fright, but you would think “how is this possible? How could it get in?” Etc. Schizophrenia is unique in that the part of your brain that reasons this way is entirely impaired. 💖🙌🏻

[@lilyelizabeth7440]

He was not treated at all for his mental illnesses

[@keiraivory9747]

Armani berg I would willingly acknowledge that he wasn’t aware of his actions and that medication is expensive but someone paid for his actions, someone lost their life. People suffer mental trauma from his actions. Yes, we should take into account his mental well-being but also other variables and outcomes.

[@emgoodluck416]

Armani berg I thought in Canada they have free healthcare???

[@natashabeckfresh2198]

The fact he's walking around a free man like nothing ever happened is baffling to me. He can mutilate a man and then just go back to his regular life.

[@DogLover-ef9ei]

Exactly. He shouldn’t have even left the bus that day. And if he did leave the bus he should’ve been given the life sentence

[@SummeRain783]

Canadian justice system for you…

[@arianahernandez386]

Well He's White Soo..

[@inaurateisa]

@@arianahernandez386 Vince? He’s Chinese.

[@violetmaritime]

@@arianahernandez386 he’s chinese lol

[@damoashlynvlogs8253]

That’s absolutely AWFUL. The part that breaks my heart the most is that Tim wasn’t even supposed to be on that bus. He was offered a plane ticket but the gently declined 💔 He should have taken the offer. BUT, even if he did, crazy man would have just selected a different victim. It would have been an awful story either way.

[@jadibdraws]

It's crazy & extremely sad to think about stuff like that how simple choices rather knowing or unknowing can have such a drastic change on your life & where you end up. I do what to travel around someday but am terrified to do it on my own because of causes like this. What if he took the plane or what if he sat at the front instead of the back? Who knows what could've happened

[@sydneyladen2323]

Putting pictures in the comments would be great. I listen to this while doing other things, and always try to skim back to see what the ppl look like.

[@madisonwhite9709]

This case makes me so sad especially knowing he was still alive when everyone left the bus and he just watched them leave him to die

[@dianab1008]

same :( , but i honestly wouldn't know what to do. he was armed and dangerous

[@MariaAlex2018]

Diana Bocanegra plus most people (whether that be our parents when we were young or a police officer or EMT) would also tell us to get away from the situation as humanly possible. Some even say “one body is better than two”

[@VictoriasUniverse]

Madison White I couldn’t believe that no one helped that’s truly sad & messed up

[@LauraLaura-mv4xh]

@@VictoriasUniverse people panic in this type of situations. everytime I spot a fight at the club or something I just flee the scene, it's like a natural response, you run from the danger. I can't blame the people that were there, he had a knife

[@narra128]

I think it would be hard to tackle someone in such a cramp place. Also, possible no one present on the bus is as tall as the attacker and as bulky as the attacker. Also, you need to factor in fear and the fight or flight response of each individual present back then. But in the end, Tim was not the only victim of this event. The other passengers and people that tried to help will forever feel the guilt that they survived that day but one of them didn't.

[@Kaidh9080]

What a horrible way to die on your way home I hope Tim and his family get the justice they deserve.

[@kishinumaayumi]

Definitely.. The only thing he did was literally just sit on the bus..

[@notkaitlyn5368]

the guy who killed the other guy is a free man unfortunately .

[@mariasirbu7279]

"And he is saying he is fine." WHAT ABOUT TIM?! Tim was fine before you Full offence, but Vince should've served life prison after being discharged

[@nightandstaraj3046]

Vince had schizophrenia which is a severe mental illness. He shouldn’t serve full life in prison but he should be in a mental hospital for the rest of his life

[@bryanna8850]

@@nightandstaraj3046 I agree. I just hope Tim gets the justice he deserves. Honestly this case made me cry. Its so awful and sad for everyone involved. Rest easy Tim.

[@camrynreaves3582]

Having a son, myself... I can’t imagine the horror his mother is feeling after hearing all of the details that happened to her child... so heart breaking

[@Sakura71390]

I can’t BELIEVE he was let go... if he’s was not compliant with treatment then he continues to be a huge danger to the public and himself. I can’t believe it!!!

[@gamerglam]

I’m from Canada and they are way toooo lenient here. Then again I’ve seen way too lenient cases in the US as well 🤦🏻‍♀️ ughhhh just so many people getting off easy

[@madethistocomment727]

That's what I was thinking. He was responsible for taking his medications and he didn't. THAT was a conscious choice.

[@Lfree_]

I don’t

[@jillianapetagon9662]

He lives in winnipeg now as well. He's had a full name change

[@savants08]

I can. I have a cousin who is schizophrenic and he has committed quite a few crimes. Stalking,barricaded a hotel room and injured a cop, has threatened people. He is still out in society. And this is in America.

[@isthatjackson]

PSA: Y’all better be watching the Saturday uploads!!! They stay monetized so Bailey deserves all the views!

[@NanaPelletier]

These Monday videos arent monetized?

[@kerl_cats]

@@NanaPelletier no, it's not advertiser-friendly content

[@NanaPelletier]

@@kerl_cats crazy.

[@Jocelynjmeza]

Got my boyfriend to watch your vids with me, it’s now part of our little stay at home date 🤟🏼💕

[@GrimzyShake]

same! every monday

[@vegansrirachamac]

Jayjaymeza • trying to get my bf to love her as much as I do!

[@nikkirose8199]

Jealous

[@vvitchysims]

Jayjaymeza • same

[@amycross5341]

Same!!

[@KarlaVannah]

This is definitely my favorite makeup look you've done! It's gorgeous 😍

[@shannonmorrison7455]

My cousin was the trucker that stopped to help. He has really bad PTSD

[@campaign6655]

So sorry for your cousin

[@vero7080]

That was so courageous of him though.

[@genandersonx]

Dude I’m so sorry, i can’t imagine what it was like for him

[@stacey6887]

What a brave soul he was and i am so sorry his suffering like that. I have PTSD so I know what it is to live with it everyday. Love to you and your family and really hope he finds a way through it one day

[@leshandragrootboom]

We love him ❤️

[@KarinaElizaBear]

imagine being one of the victims and seeing Vince on the streets... That would be horrific

[@delaneymacaig8122]

Im from Winnipeg and he lives in the downtown area

[@kitanajadefrost4663]

@@delaneymacaig8122 Someone should "handle" him what he did is so demonic he doesn't deserve to live

[@shekinahfaith8209]

@@delaneymacaig8122 wait what?!! he still alivee? and roaming around Winnipeg downtown?

[@delaneymacaig8122]

Yes mam he is still walking around Winnipeg

[@delaneymacaig8122]

I was on the bus that night

[@PauHSainz]

As someone from Winnipeg, I find it chilling that Vince Li is still roaming around the city, completely free, under a new identity...

[@kjc4779]

R u freaking serious?! They could have shot him to incapacitate him when it was apparent what he did. Poor Tim and his body was just mutilated unnecessarily.

[@jennygordon5850]

Same... Had different stories told about this...like mostly that yes Vince Li was sick and hearing voices but thst he also was on bath salts and just lost his mind from bath salts...

[@emilyst.germaine6255]

After hearing he was released back in Winnipeg I was MUCH more aware of my surroundings on winnipeg transit...

[@tanyatomaschefski6025]

And no longer legally required to take his meds

[@valaceria]

@@cindyinness2265 Ooh! How do you know this?

[@victoriadaynard8968]

Rcmp stands for Royal Canadian Mounted Police. This story is always so sad as a Canadian in ontario ive heard this story lots and its always heartbreaking. Rest easy tim and bless his family.

[@spencerbatson8042]

5 minutes ago and already 1 dislike...these haters got notifications on

[@spencerbatson8042]

Bailey Sarian love you Bailey 💖🥺

[@clairebrooks3305]

Savannah Batson literally tea ahahah

[@_-faye]

they live in Australia

[@SerenityChaos1975]

Emma Jade ??? Highly unlikely, dear.

[@kyleevines4285]

The only haters of these Monday videos must be 60 year old grandmas named Linda thinking it’s distasteful to wear black lipstick because I can’t rationalize any other reason

[@gothcsm]

Theme song for today is 🔥

[@DaydreamAllday]

It gives me lifeee

[@AsktheSpirits]

Lol

[@MarisDirection]

🎶Shenishe shenishe 🎶

[@camerondavis8401]

Yeah this one was HANDS DOWN the most disturbing case you’ve talked about.........hands down 😳😳😳

[@dinaheart8021]

I agree I’m shook and shaking

[@Nessainthebuilding]

And it happened in Canada. We’ve got royally messed up people too.

[@dejab6743]

Yeah I don’t think I’ve ever heard anything this insane.

[@nicolef510]

I’m from Canada and I remember this happening when I was young and I’m still scared to ride busses 😭

[@hana-cb2nc]

I agree! I actually felt sick to my stomach. I think it’s the fact that others were just there watching. So sad.

[@strayyystayyy]

After the fact as well, he changed his name to but we all know his name, so Canadians (most of them) will never forgive him. He is ostracized by most of the public. He also has no criminal record now Vince got a second chance, Tim didn’t, the passengers didn’t. That’s not fair at all. Many believe he should be in prison or even dead

[@Dragonleo1986]

The fact Greyhound didn’t seek help for the witnesses after the fact is very disturbing too

[@emilynotley6627]

I mean it’s not really there job to do that though

[@jennifermilad1943]

@@Penelope1730 i mean tbh greyhound is the cheap option of travel. The reason why no one would sue them is the same reason no one would sue the dollar store for a faulty product. Im not defending greyhound but as someone who has been on their buses, i knew that when I bought the ticket i was trading safety for a better deal.

[@annanastrom7689]

Wasn't Greyhound forced to change its slogan which at the time was "There is no such thing as bus rage"? The Iron E. Or maybe that was just a rumour? I don't know.

[@wyla5896]

I mean how are they culpable in any way though. It’s a coincidence that it happened on a Greyhound bus. It could have happened anywhere

[@nennie6213]

Greyhound has been shut down for years after that incident

[@SYSTEMSMASH]

I remember when this happened. I was kinda young, so I was mostly shielded from the story, but I remember the hatred for Greyhound after it happened. Probably because they did nothing for those affected. Incredibly scary that he's just out here, allowed to live life. I suffer from mental illness, and am very against the idea that he was just allowed to walk free. He failed to take his medication, resulting in a lost life and lives clouded in PTSD, therefore he's responsible for the action. I really hope everyone affected managed to get therapy and are able to find some peace.

[@Chelle8847]

100% agree

[@arianatolbert3708]

the bus driver “stop that😬”

[@yasminechristellecoulon7319]

Finally a pleasant and not boring storyteller!

[@layishaaa1487]

this is so heartbreaking, Tim seemed like a such a pure soul :( i cant imagine how his friends felt when they knew they couldve sent him in an airplane

[@cxoreql1407]

right :(

[@Helica123]

That would haunt me for life. I wouldn't get over the fact that he could've lived if I just convinced him to take the plane ticket

[@cartifan]

yesss and he had a son on the way aswell. gone but never forgotten 💙

[@GabrielGomez-ry4kq]

I love how Bailey just casually snatched our wigs every week with her bomb makeup skills❤️❤️❤️

[@bekahwhitney9922]

I feel like this is the most terrifying story you’ve ever told. This one chilled me to the bones.

[@jhilgonzales]

I totally agree

[@symone_420]

I'm from Canada not Winnipeg MB but I've often taken Greyhound buses all over Canada n I'm glad this was the first time I heard of this story or idk if I would of traveled Greyhound buses as much n the careless additude I had back then ,I would of been more cautious. I had a few experiences but nothing to this extent this is absolutely terrifying to me n I feel so bad for Tim imagine how scared he was to think he was left alone on the bus with Vince , I'm just hoping he was already past out or gone n wasn't with it enough to no what was really going on atm

[@lizziemcmaster7257]

I completely agree! This one really shook me out of all the stories!

[@sarahBeannns420]

Agreed

[@demimoore7432]

what a tragic ending for poor Tom, how awful for a child to loose both parents in the end. I don't believe Vince should of been allowed to have a life when Tom was robbed of his. Disgusting outcome. RIP Tom

[@puneshasankar]

I can't even begin to imagine the pain,suffering & confusion Tim went through in his final moments and how that very thought would continue to haunt the witnesses and his family. Absolutely heartbreaking. Rest well Tim. You deserve justice. 💔

[@emilynguyen4174]

I remember hearing one of the policemen sadly took his own life because due to this traumatic event he just had a lot of ptsd

[@michelleobrien6630]

WOW!!! Terrible for the victim and really terrible for the people who knew him and the people who witnessed this. The grief and PTSD would surely be debilitating

[@abby7842]

This happens so much to police where they take their lives when something becomes so traumatic for them.

[@mistykohtakangas]

There's been more than one.

[@Jamangel]

Crazy...

[@nuris112]

Just imagine if one of those passengers find Vince walking in the street, i would die!!!

[@lindadarbyfiset]

I was thinking this myself.

[@rebeccaxo1218]

They must have a small form of PTSD. I know I would. So yeah, the anxiety and flashbacks from seeing him would be unreal. Poor people. Vance should be in prison or at least still in a Mental Health Hospital.

[@gguk6180]

@@rebeccaxo1218 'small form'...someone killed themselves over what happened that day :/ imagine seeing someone torn to shreds in a matter of minutes, knowing you're too afraid to do anything to help them..

[@rebeccaxo1218]

@@gguk6180 Jesus! That's awful. How can they let that dude out when people are still suffering from his actions to this day?!

[@gguk6180]

Becca i genuinely don’t know. he deserves to me institutionalized for the rest of his life. he could repeat the offense

[@nicolekulikowski2401]

I remember when this all went down. I was working for the carnival during that time and a lot of people I worked with there knew Tim. So messed up this whole story.

[@mirandaduncan8749]

But why couldn’t they have kept him in a facility... if he wasn’t “criminally” responsible, he’s still clearly a danger to himself or others. Regardless of that, though, he wasn’t taking his medication. That is a willful action, so yes... he was responsible. Maybe in that moment, he wasn’t himself, but he knowingly stopped taking his medication that was prescribed to help him... and then he mutilated someone and ATE PART OF HIM. But yah, sure. Release him. Makes sense.

[@mercedes-benzbentleyranger1070]

Nobody is prepared to accept that mad man into their facility, he should be dropped in the middle of the desert where no people or animals and leave him there

[@cryptkeeperkain986]

Part of schizophrenia if that often they believe they dont need their meds. They take them for a while, get better and then go "i dont need these anymore". Psychosis is stronger than people realize. Should he be in jail? No. Should he be released to the public? No. In this care he should be in a psychiatric facility to keep him under watch full time but not in a punishment system as he litterally unable to thing normally

[@virginiagargan5208]

Completely agree with you. He should have had, at least, some time. Make you think twice before stopping your meds again.

[@christophermadray2846]

Canada.

[@sleepyjony]

that part was the eyes.

[@shadowviolets]

As disturbing and disgusting Vince's acts were, my stomach truly twisted at the thought of how Tim must've felt being abandoned and trapped in this small confined space with Vince. Obviously I understand the intention and it was definitely the best choice, but just that sinking feeling of everyone watching you from the outside while you solely suffer the horrors in such close proximity,, ugh

[@coolgirlcorgan]

Shadow Violets That's what I was thinking. I know in terms of philosophical questions, one person dying is better than multiple. But there were a lot of people and they could have helped:/ I understand how frightening it must have been, and I know a lot of them have to feel guilty. But its just so sad to think about Tim dying with people right outside, and have his body be so disrespected after he died.

[@mea2429]

honestly, i feel like tom was probably dead way before everyone was off the bus

[@Nails_By_Kimberlee]

@@mea2429 that's what I was thinking

[@TheEatMeDrinkMe69]

It's called the bystander effect. It's an unfortunate reality of our species.

[@kristenstites4418]

It’s to bad no one could have tackled him from the back or something like that

[@Disgruntled_Canadian]

When your favourite KZbinr does the case you requested!!! 😃 This case infuriated me. Our justice system in Canada is way too lenient. I understand he had schizophrenia but he still did it. Who’s to say he won’t some day stop taking his medication again. He should never EVER have been released! It’s a slap in the face to Tim’s family 😞 Side note: RCMP stands for Royal Canadian Mounted Police

[@onlyrandy12]

28:26 poor Tim honestly this is probably one of the most saddest cases Tim was at the wrong place at the wrong time 😞😞😞

[@youtapilote]

They should've just kept him in an institute at least if he was not himself during the act. His hallucinations are sooo severe and dangerous. Like what if he stops taking his meds again?

[@kiya3810]

exactly !! i’d like to think somebody’s keeping tabs on him but still , who knows how long it would take for him to snap if he didn’t take his medication even for 1 day

[@youtapilote]

@@kiya3810 this just hit me like what if the doctor who's following him regularly or the pharmacy he gets his meds at are like warned to report if he misses his scheduled appointments and buying his meds. That could put the people somewhat at ease if it was true.

[@kiya3810]

@@youtapilote sounds like a business idea

[@luveniwai]

I'd like to think that; and maybe that he's so horrified by what he did that he is never not taking his pills and is regularly seeing a psychiatrist

[@jadenmurray5259]

I've learned about the Canadian system of assessing whether someone is fit for parole/return to society in my psychology of law class, and it is very unlikely the board would let him go free into society if he didn't seem fully committed to taking his medication and seeing a psychiatrist on the regular.

[@verucasalt4535]

If he did it while "off his medication" what's to stop him from doing it again??

[@anonymoose116]

Likely, they assigned him a caseworker and are keeping tabs on him. Another viewer said he gets his meds injected, so there's that.

[@janinebean4276]

I mean I think they probably keep tabs on him and I’m guessing having beheaded and eaten a dude would be pretty motivating to stay on your meds

[@CanadianArchaeologist]

I think he was possessed.

[@laurieh4742]

He gets a monthly shot of schizophrenic meds I feel bad for the guy Tobe honest

[@KaiNoOkane]

Once you eat people...you need to be locked up for freaking life!

[@jewelfaith4125]

Please do a video on Kenneka Jenkins 📍 her death was ruled accidental but the whole case is so suspicious. Kenneka Jenkins aged 19, was found inside a latched freezer of the Crowne Plaza Chicago O'Hare hotel in Rosemont, Illinois, on September 10, 2017. 2 years ago

[@mariamorillon8030]

shane did a vid on bee she was KILLED IT WAS NOT AN ACCIDENT

[@itsny01]

Did u see how people related to her and people that were publicizing her case were all killed

[@KadijahKing]

Please do this !

[@alyssahmcclary3826]

Please do this bailey

[@emilymulcahy]

@@itsny01 they were not

[@AyaInspiredTarot]

Patients who don't take their meds should be held accountable!!! If he was taking meds and they weren't working, maybe some extra help and understanding, but if you have an avenue for treatment, refuse it, and then commit a crime...?! Come on!!

[@gegehaha1997]

bailey: we talked about another case from Canada, Remember? me: who? bailey: rawr me: ahh yeah, THAT.

[@Keely_Turner]

What video was this?? Haha curious from a Canadian 🇨🇦

[@gegehaha1997]

@@Keely_Turner it's the richardson family case. You can check it on bailey's playlist. The title has the "300 werewolf"

[@jazhillstaten]

Same! 😂😂😂

[@its_k_goddamnit]

I knew immediately what case she was talking about when she said 'rawr'. Lol!

[@AskBrett]

🤣 I knew exactly who she was talking about 😂

[@heatherjones4707]

He voluntarily chose to quit taking his medication. He had been diagnosed, he knew he was ill, and he chose to put others at risk. He is criminally responsible for his actions. Different but related, medical care professionals seem to have a lot more confidence in their ability than is justified by reality, and when the people they've "cured" go on to commit horrific crimes, there is no accountability. Some people just need to be treated in prison, permanently.

[@PiercingChild]

Clearly you don't understand schizophrenia.

[@alaryghost]

Can you give a source that he was on medication or diagnosed? There's no information I can find that either of those things were true.

[@MG-lm1wx]

😆😆😆 oh this is so sad. Ppl with schizophrenia are so ill they believe they dont need meds. They r beyond volition of their mind/body. "Voluntarily chose to quit taking meds"? The f*ing irony

[@caingods5326]

@@MG-lm1wx The medication makes us feel worse 9/10 times. Not all schizophrenics are violent. That kind of thinking is very uneducated.

[@v33ta53]

People like Vince are in the churches just for the opportunities. I strongly believe that his ex-wife may had betrayed him so much led him to this atrocious crime. He should have not be given a free-ticket out of the justice system. Unfair for what had happened to Tim and his family.

[@maybememory1]

I love it that you said "learning a language is effing hard". So many people criticize or judge people who don't speak perfect english (as a second language) and all I can think is "Cool, try to learn Chinese, then get back to me"

[@KayKay114]

I try to get people to do an exercise. You talk to them but every verb you have to think and say three different ones than the one you would naturally use. It gives a little insight to why people are having a bit of trouble with English.

[@nudisnew]

currently learning chinese and istg it’s so incredibly hard

[@solarose7820]

@@KayKay114 that’s an amazing exercise ! And technically people should do it in every language, not only English speakers. Will do.

[@drama2u]

True that