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@SundaranGirija10 ай бұрын
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@mahmoodalrahbi639610 ай бұрын
السلام عليكم
@JesusLopez-fc7bd10 ай бұрын
Very nice job.!!
@JesusLopez-fc7bd10 ай бұрын
Where are yu from.??
@JesusLopez-fc7bd10 ай бұрын
How can I buy one?
@stephenclemence585610 ай бұрын
If I sat like these guys on the floor for 30 minutes, I wouldn't be able to stand up again.
@nigelbeaumont110910 ай бұрын
“30 minutes”… 5 for me.😫
@zajdizajdi142310 ай бұрын
They are dummies
@kurabo4710 ай бұрын
Hahahahaaa😂😅. Oldman.❤
@tuanhaji95409 ай бұрын
Chill gramps
@nemozack37679 ай бұрын
they haven't invented tables yet
@_KeepingitReal10 ай бұрын
I watch a lot of Forged in Fire in the U.S. They flatten out the billet, and then cut it in pieces with a grinder, restack, and re-fire. This dude just puts 2 divots in and folds it upon itself while still in the automatic pounder. Next Level!!!!!
@TinTaBraSS77710 ай бұрын
следующий уровень халтуры )
@tedlarson20788 ай бұрын
Freaking beautiful
@jackmeyers78058 ай бұрын
He's still using steel of an unknown type and carbon content that was FILTHY when the bullet was stacked and welded.
@AndyAlm8 ай бұрын
The hammer on FIF is a toy in comparison. I don’t know why that show doesn’t invest in a real hammer like this. Would be much better to watch. With this kind of hammer you can weld just about anything.
@georgebaker59717 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t question Pakistanais Craftmanship,frankly »Dude »you’ve got a lot to learn,but that’s normal for an American…
@amirkhadir7989 ай бұрын
Experts in iron polishing. Despite the simplicity of the workshop, the result is amazing. Excellent work. I hope to get a knife of this beautiful type.
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@KanekiKen-lm1dl2 ай бұрын
Buy a real Laguiole instead. It’ll last multiple lifetimes.
@shawneeb545 ай бұрын
Thank you. 70 y/o knifemaker enjoyed it. I don't believe these hurt any market. They are what they are, know your knives. Bet that Damascus is a bargain at that.
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@sitbone34 ай бұрын
If I ever buy one of these knives, I'll never complain about the price !
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@TRONABORON4 ай бұрын
Tell me about it! I have 10 different Pakistan knives in my collection- I use one as a daily and an extra for camping. Works just fine!
@yuweryuuewebwbewecb207010 ай бұрын
когда то это был французский национальный нож.... Laguiole родом из одноименной деревни Аверон. Но..... Кстати,так клинок не обдирают...он аж посинел от перегрева....
@arturhakobyan68509 ай бұрын
До того как стать французским Лайолем, он был арабским ножом...
@thomasmurray47178 ай бұрын
I would like to buy one of these knives. 👍👍
@7423-vb5ft2 ай бұрын
@@arturhakobyan6850 Не был он никогда арабским ножом.
@Shakniyaz9 ай бұрын
Дай Аллах вам всем здоровья, счастья и благополучия вашим семьям.
@robertlandreth26549 ай бұрын
Yes they're knockoffs. But they're made in a cinderblock room with ancient equipment by true artists. Imagine what they could do with modern equipment.
@vertstang1235 ай бұрын
Knock off of what? Is it supposed to be a clone of a name brand?
@TheOneAndOnlySame4 ай бұрын
@@vertstang123 They're rip off of Laguioles knives, traditional regional knives from France in the region of Thiers.
@KanekiKen-lm1dl2 ай бұрын
They should be doing something of their own, since they clearly have the skills.
@gerryh495 ай бұрын
I bought one of these as a gag gift for a knife collector friend of mine. He has it on display with the real thing.
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@ukestudio30022 ай бұрын
It is the real thing..
@damienfigre22598 ай бұрын
Hello from Laguiole....🇨🇵
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@alextoribio80114 ай бұрын
I liked the way they forged it with hardships & passion...the outcome is so great ❤
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@UncannyValleyMall10 ай бұрын
Just raw doggin’ it right into the SULFIRIC ACID
@023Stolo10 ай бұрын
i saw the same and said to myself is that safe
@Rambo-yl3md10 ай бұрын
that's gonna leave a mark!!
@chapiit0810 ай бұрын
It's not the idela procedure but it must be a 5% pickle anyway.
@sajidmunir8646 ай бұрын
I think the acid treatment makes it rust resistant
@PuFFerTV983684 ай бұрын
@@sajidmunir864 Hello 👋 No, it cleans all the oxidation off the metal so you can see the pattern. ✌️
@REKKnives9 ай бұрын
I feel bad for these guys... No protection for their lungs or eyes or anything else. Life expectancy must be bad for these workers. But they are just doing it to support their families so I get it, I would do the same but still... Sucks. 😢
@jasonsmith64974 ай бұрын
From the minute they stacked the metal uncleaned I knew where this was going😂
@WeldSmokeWrench2 ай бұрын
i have bought a few knifes made like this is bad metal doesn't hold n edge at all
@jasonsmith64972 ай бұрын
@@WeldSmokeWrench never will with their process... they've got everything there to make great knives it's just about numbers to them but really a good knife is worth 20 of these half assed 1s
@jimjones69608 ай бұрын
I love this kind of work and craftsmanship, these guys are amazing!
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@munuchhetri8882 ай бұрын
So talented knife makers fantastic.
@stevemiller24706 ай бұрын
I've seen these guys build hand guns from scratch!
@TRONABORON4 ай бұрын
I have to admit this is very impressive!
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@CleberostelinomotaMotaa9 ай бұрын
Top de mais...Muito bem feitas, queria um desses só pra decorar !!!!
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@davedoughty12134 ай бұрын
These craftsmen are capable of high levels of precision work with those primitive tools!! Can you imagine how they would do with CNC machines modern equipment?? The crew doesn’t have safety glasses, ear or eye protection and they sit on the ground!! They seem to be able to produce quality work despite the limitations of the equipment. Are any of them look for work???!! Well done gentleman!!! The Old Army Scout…
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@michaeldaruwalla871710 ай бұрын
Very skilled workers and a remarkable product. I regret that knives made in Asia have not got a good responce. I noticed during profiting the blade they were heated on the belt sander to the extent that the blanks got black, in places. Perhaps keeping the temperature lower by dipping i water would improve the quality of the knife.
@chapiit0810 ай бұрын
That's before heat treatement, so it's of no consequence.
@feg00678 ай бұрын
@@chapiit08I see that you understand heat treatment very well 😄 🙈 of course local overheating and bluing to blackening of the blade even before hardening is bad, because the crystalline lattice will be broken and there will still be a soft spot in that place after clouding and if it is close to the blade, the blade will fall out in that place and make a tooth  Zpětná vazba
@chapiit088 ай бұрын
@@feg0067 I own one of these knives, no problem with edge retention and no chips. For the price it's more than ok. And I do know a thing or two about heat treatment. Too much vodoo in it by people like you when there is not.
@peen28044 ай бұрын
@@chapiit08 youre 100% a liar
@АлександрКомаренко-у5ы2 ай бұрын
Настоящий французский лайоль стоит ну очень дорого, посему у меня три пакистанских. Может быть их сделали именно эти мастера. Спасибо парни! 👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏
@oscarmartinnez280410 ай бұрын
Realmente muy bonitas y está de manifiesto la gran habilidad de los artesanos en cada uno de sus funciones. El resultado es altamente satisfactorio. Me quedo con la duda donde está ubicado ese taller tan especializado. Felicitaciones.
@PIPIpupuImillegal9 ай бұрын
no tienen tratamiento termico ppor lo que son navajas blandas endebles y por el corte a presion muy probablemente tengan alguna fisura escondida en el filo o el lomo
@JabadSBS8 ай бұрын
Son copias de las laguiole francesas. Si quieres comprar, compra originales
@Johan.islam67Ай бұрын
Très beaux couteau. Un travail fantastique ! بركة الله فيك
@nicholasgerrish60223 ай бұрын
Various comments have been made, as to the somewhat ‘primitive’ character of the processes we see on this video. The fact that the whole procedure isn’t automated, does all these craftsmen great credit. The tools used here really aren’t that primitive, though may be old fashioned by today’s standards.
@philholman85209 ай бұрын
I have a couple of these knives. Mine are smaller, for UK legal reasons. My knives come from a company called Perkins. The blades are only 70 mm/ 2.5" long. They cost me £65 each. Looking at these attractive, full sized knives, I would expect them to be more expensive. Who wouldn't want one? They do the job they were made for. I just hope that all those fellows get a decent wage, though, I doubt it! Thank you for sharing this terrific video! 🙏👍✌️🇬🇧
@GreatSageSunWukong8 ай бұрын
I actually have a few pattern welded steel knifes from asia like this they are cheaper then the high quality ones and a right pain in the bum, they rust worse then anything, thats why I stopped buying them also the metal fittings discolour easily and go green
@johnberry11078 ай бұрын
Good content. Great use of labor & technology. Stay safe. Thank you.
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@TRONABORON4 ай бұрын
Machinery that has stood the test of time! Simple hard working people I always appreciate!
@karmachangchup64399 ай бұрын
Kolapuri knives ..so much hard work..hats off to the makers of the knife n the video
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@charlyb.54794 ай бұрын
Magnifique ! Ici en France, chaque artisan coutelier fabrique à la main leur propre version du Laguiole. Il y a sûrement quelques règles à respecter, puisqu'ils se ressemblent tous beaucoup. Et à la fin ils grave leur logos, ou leur nom ( ou celui de l'entreprise aussi). Je pense que vous gagnerez à apposer votre marque de fabrique sur la lame. C'est une très belle réalisation.
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@desfiladerodenatersaАй бұрын
Excelente trabajo. Mi enhorabuena!!!😮
@osuclassof883 ай бұрын
the works to prepare damascene steel is next level, not only folding but twisting too
@seaniev59538 ай бұрын
Pakistan tools are underrated, these guys do amazing work
@MrFcoBonilla8 ай бұрын
Increíble y seguro.que muy mal pagado.
@seaniev59538 ай бұрын
@@MrFcoBonilla no I’m for real I own a hoof knife it was made there , and it works good
@Botchulism_asdf9 ай бұрын
Straight inhaling micarta, bone, and wood shavings from the grinder!
@haroldcromack10654 ай бұрын
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@franciscojavierperezmedina345010 ай бұрын
Excelente video muy bien filmado y editado, seguid asi.
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@e.a.41718 ай бұрын
Original Pakiyol. Cheap Not so bad. A french Laguiole is another Level 😅
@dansadler275410 ай бұрын
Outstanding work thank you for sharing this with us
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@moeotb07852 ай бұрын
Very beautiful knife and no mass production equipment every single knife was handcrafted. Nice job 👏👍
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@nathanj471610 ай бұрын
I love the wobbly drills. good for oval shaped holes
@nigelbeaumont110910 ай бұрын
I thought the exact same!!!
@truantray6 ай бұрын
This country will become an industrial powerhouse when the discover the table.
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@2010Evropa10 ай бұрын
Сколько труда вложено, сколько людей работает , станки кузня одним словом целая производства интересно затраты оправдываются ??
@fredbecker60710 ай бұрын
They work for pennies an hour.
@muslimabnarrahimabdalhasan989810 ай бұрын
Это пакистан .как говорится из гавна и палок делают такую ВЕШ.
@MisterUjura8 ай бұрын
Эти ножи известны своим самым омерзительным в мире качеством. Даже не сувенирка. Так, пластик.
@alanwilliamson22592 ай бұрын
Beautiful workmanship. A great handy knife.
@AlexSanchez-gw4eh2 ай бұрын
I love knives so I love what you do, keep up the great work
@RadekOliva-yr6wt2 ай бұрын
Amazing work!!!
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@carlosperez-dw1dp8 ай бұрын
Que bueno es ver a alguien que suelda, tan bien como yo.😅
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@cintage3 ай бұрын
Yes, it is a direct clone of the French Laguiole. Yes, the quality of the steel is doubtful and the heat-treatment does not look very promising. But the craftsmanship those guys show here is masterful.
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@MohammadGoodarzi-yo8pi10 ай бұрын
لذت بردم از این همه هنر و هنرمند
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@manbahadur51619 ай бұрын
Nice and out standing work
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@rafiqkatana10 ай бұрын
Gee, they love using those highly abrasive grinding stones to burn the living crap out of anything steel they make. Even after they supposedly "heat treat" the blade. They hit a few more times and then acid treat it before they put a false edge on it. If you're buying one of these, you're going to have to pull it apart and heat treat the blade yourself to make it usable. Or it's just a pretty paper weight. Save up and buy the real thing by a company that just makes knives, and makes them right.
@fredbecker60710 ай бұрын
They only use the best car bumper steel for these.
@rafiqkatana10 ай бұрын
@@fredbecker607 You're missing the point. Plus, it doesn't matter what steel they use.
@MechaPeww9 ай бұрын
what i see...you try to explain..they wrong about heat treatment...😊 i understand but can you fly to tell them😂
@MarioHuberman7 ай бұрын
Que buen trabajo, los felicito a todos por su labor 👍 Dios los bendiga siempre ❤❤❤, soy Mario huberman dé argentina 🇦🇷
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@renechacon72019 ай бұрын
MUY LINDAS HERMOZO TRABAJO FELICITACIONES A LOS MAESTROS YO CREO QUE SON INDUES CAPOS❤
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@quranaasmanifakekitabhai573410 ай бұрын
In a country ...where not a single person is a Muslim, where there is not a single mosque there is always peace and prosperity. 🙏🙏
@Mat-kr1nf10 ай бұрын
Saudi Arabia? UAE? Kuwait? Plus others I can’t think of. As for Christian countries of “peace and posterity”: Northern Ireland? The former Yugoslavia, plus many, many others.
@chapiit0810 ай бұрын
That's Pakistan, mostly Muslim population.
@vhg72 ай бұрын
One has to give a lot of respect to these men doing this amazing work in such a tough working condition. Are these knives sold on Ebay or Etsy?
@wizardofahhhs7592 ай бұрын
I love watching this type of manufacturing process.
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@vahteddineker870110 ай бұрын
Ustalarım ellerinize sağlık
@clintpaul25899 ай бұрын
Beautifully made. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
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@Grizleea16 күн бұрын
Excellent work👍🏻
@agustinmontanestv226010 ай бұрын
Wow 😲 Very nice idea...great skills idol... Watching from Philippines 🇵🇭🙏
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@Loran197210 ай бұрын
Ca sent drôlement l'inspiration des couteaux Laguiole dites donc !!! 😂... il y a même l'abeille sur le haut de la lame !!! ... ce dit, ils sont super beaux !!! très beau travail...
@choskyg10 ай бұрын
Autant que les Laguioles sentent l'inspiration des couteaux espagnols.... 😂
@Loran197210 ай бұрын
@@choskyg "copie" et "inspiration" sont 2 choses bien différentes... beaucoup de produits dits "originaux", dont la plupart ont des brevets déposées, ce qui n'a pas été fait pour les Laguiole, sont partis d'une inspiration. Et rien ne dit que le Laguiole est une création inspirée de manufacturiers ibériques, et "sentir" n'est pas une certitude...
@rbyaldrzee665710 ай бұрын
Beatiful vary good 👍🏻💯💯
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@i8as3 ай бұрын
Those are awesome. I would be proud to carry one!
@craigmonteforte147810 ай бұрын
Very Well done ! i do think the shape of the handle is slightly unconventional , but that’s okay it’s certainly a Owners preference on a Custom Fabrication I’m a retired Woodworker (retired ) and over the years i got used to using traditional Shaped Handles instead of manufacturing or shaping my own ? Oddly enough i actually have small hands and probably could have benefitted making Custom handles ?
@blueeyeswhitedragon98393 ай бұрын
The shape of the blade and handle are classic designs, hundreds of years old.
@7423-vb5ft2 ай бұрын
no, the shape of the handle is exactly the same as they make in France
@bff64342 ай бұрын
Beautiful craftsmanship
@michaelvolovik45163 ай бұрын
Странно, что эти мастера не ставят на свои ножи фиксаторов. Простейший бэк -- лок увеличил бы его потребительскую ценность на четверть. В моей коллекции есть пакистанский складень с клинком из ножевой стали не известной мне марки -- не булат ! , с "мухой" на запирающей пружине и бэк -- лок замком. Спасибо за классный ролик. С моей стороны лайк и абонемент.
@joelaroche76677 ай бұрын
It’s amazing to me that they have these giant, expensive, modern equipment and yet they’re in something like a mud brick building!
@joelaroche76677 ай бұрын
By the way, I am still very impressed by these men!
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@peen28044 ай бұрын
the equipment theyre using is absolutely ancient lol
@Oldsaway10 ай бұрын
These look like a quality knife
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@marcoaurelio2969 ай бұрын
Amazing! All of them have two feet and two hands with five fingers each. No masks, no globes. Industrial Security is an unknown concept there! They are amazing in take care or we are stupids! But is good to see everybody is OK! Wonderful work!
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@faruk74586 ай бұрын
Bu zaman kadar gördüğüm en güzel el yapımı bıçak
@simonepanico15476 ай бұрын
Spero tu stia scherzando... Ma sai quanti artigiani eccellenti che esistono,? Che fanno coltelli fatti interamente a mano? Per esempio dai un occhiata agli artigiani italiani. Soprattutto ai Sardi... E poi questo coltello è la copia spudorata dei famosissimo laguiole...
@jessehemphill94065 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t go that far…..
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@waniltonreisdossantos98686 ай бұрын
Que trabalho de mestre, parabéns. Petrópolis-RJ Brasil
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@123vzai9 ай бұрын
lot of effort involved, masterpiece of craftmanship.
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@hansheyneke15648 ай бұрын
Excellent. Nice knives and well made video !
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@iezuit1979 ай бұрын
А закалить клинок ?
@Алексей-в3л9м9 ай бұрын
Одноразовый ножик, красивый но одноразовый. Ни обслужить ни разобрать, ручная работа это вся его ценность...
@ФеликсКасабиев7 ай бұрын
Нож разбирать-ЗАЧЕМ?
@ФеликсКасабиев5 ай бұрын
Ваши аргументы...
@donaldwycoff415410 ай бұрын
I enjoyed the video. Are these knives sold abroad, available for purchase online?
@chechnya10 ай бұрын
At any American flea market
@ailtondrumond31057 ай бұрын
Belíssimo trabalho 👏👏👍
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@АндрейХуди-с2х6 ай бұрын
Я бы обязательно купил бы❤🎉
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@fazeljigry48968 ай бұрын
Good job guys god bless 👍🙏
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@muralidharshenoy93668 ай бұрын
Real hard work
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@brunopaoli25210 ай бұрын
Bellissimi e bravi gli operatori
@MohamedmeeraS24 күн бұрын
உழைப்பு வருமானம் தேவை, வாழ்க
@malsoonsakit478610 ай бұрын
Highly skilled knife smiths. I loved the way different metals were kneeded together. I loved the end product of pocket knives.
@rferdo10 ай бұрын
Alors achète les vrais, inventés et fabriqués en FRANCE... Couteaux LAGUIOL
@MisterUjura8 ай бұрын
Why you not google and check quality and review, they are not able to cut anything, being sharpened or lay on shelf . eeewes quality.
@guzzijack97147 ай бұрын
I believe Laguiole is a region in France where these knives were first made. Their symbol is the bee that you see @ 20:12. Not being made in France these would be replicas but very nice indeed. And yes, they are world famous.
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@sniper106662 ай бұрын
With all that heat I’m surprised his plastic safety visor didn’t melt on his face 😊
@AliHassan-d5k2e10 ай бұрын
Good Nice ❤❤❤❤
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@eduardoerbin293310 ай бұрын
Hermoso trabajo me gustaría tener una desde argentina
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@giordanonaressi91817 ай бұрын
Sensacional! Lindos canivetes! Trabalhoso para serem feitos! Ubatuba cidade do litoral norte de São Paulo Brasil
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@juanjosehernandez66253 ай бұрын
Son unas bellas navajas hechas a mano.
@JesusCarrizo-p5t6 ай бұрын
Hermozo trabajo
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@Buddlertom6 ай бұрын
La Forge de Kabul? Awesome to watch!
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@Вася-ц6д8о8 ай бұрын
Все пальцы на месте 😅 профессионалы. Сильно перегревают нож при обработке, это красивый сувенир и не более😮
@alexeyselverstov72006 ай бұрын
Они потом его закаливают, очевидно что не все операции показаны
@lerenard143210 ай бұрын
C'est du faut Laguiole. le vrai couteau Laguiole est fabriqué en France.
@jmespagnet59910 ай бұрын
Exact.
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@zdendahat10 ай бұрын
nice, respect
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@revosgarage93264 ай бұрын
Well done guys!
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@bumpedhishead63610 ай бұрын
Blatant copy of the Laguiole - right down to the bee on back of the spring - just without the quality steel & craftsmanship of a genuine Laguiole...
@dennisobrien361810 ай бұрын
Yeah, they never show where the piles of blade steel come from either.
@gregsmith226210 ай бұрын
Tin can Damascus.
@nigelbeaumont110910 ай бұрын
Geeeeeze…. Calm down. The price reflects the quality. Laguiole aren’t that good compared.
@albertapeet9 ай бұрын
Don’t be surprised that these guys aren’t contract building for Laguiole
@waqasahmed91819 ай бұрын
You can buy more then 15 this floding knives in the price of 1 laguiole knife. I know the difference between quality but reality is laguiole knife is overpriced.
@AnisAnis-sf9sn8 ай бұрын
In this excellent video, there is a missing link, which is the method of engraving the back of the knife from the beginning of where it is attached to the wood. I mean the zigzags on the beginning of the back of the knife. Perhaps this is the secret of the profession, but something remains mysterious.
@DeweyBlanton-ku7db8 ай бұрын
It's flle work. Do yourself a favor and look up Kyle Royer and watch some his Videos. He's goofy at times but straight up master smith.
@Berkah_Bilah_Nusantara9 ай бұрын
hasil karya yg luar biasa ❤👍👍🇲🇨
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@feraltweed9 ай бұрын
Nice vid. Nice knives
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@oxyfee648610 ай бұрын
I don’t know much about knives, are these good quality? Thanks in advance!👍
@chapiit0810 ай бұрын
They are, particularly considering their price.
@pierrelaroche51349 ай бұрын
No they are not. Many blacksmiths would freak out seing how they heat treat those poor unkown steels. Even at the end of the video you can see the guy is struggling cutting a tomato and an eggplant. These guy may be skilled, but the knives they do can't be consider "good quality".
@MAkhtar-tz4si8 ай бұрын
Nice Excellent 👍
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@lindsayford822410 ай бұрын
Surely they must clean the face of all the pieces of metal so it will forge together well any dirt and it will not forge together