Making and fitting valley rafters The Big Build 30

I am making and fitting valley rafters here at the big build, this is a job I really like and its really easy with a metric framing square.
The first job is to establish the angle for the plumb and seat cut, I set this out with my new simplified metric roofing and framing square. Using my fence clamped to the square I set the valley rafter angles and make a small template valley rafter to help with the marking out and defining the final lengths etc
Once this was set out and measured I returned to the wood stack and made two extended valleys with a traditional scarf joint to get them to the required length to form the valleys
Then I marked the valley out and cut them ready to fit. I also had a stud wall to birds mouth over for support
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[@rossmorrow3013]

My Goodness what lateral thinking this man possesses is unbelievable. He’s roughly 10 levels ahead of where he is at any one time!!

[@JAY-xg4se]

Have no need to ever build a roof but I fancy learning to do so just for the challenge. That said robin is a master at his craft

[@zitobin1]

Love that notch trick on the angle for hooking the tape. I work by myself a lot so will definitely be using this in the future. Thanks mate

[@kadzo1000]

Me too! thanks Robin 👍🏻

[@iantarncarpentry4285]

Absolutely stunning! In fact it was actually perfect! When you measured the valley it worked out to the maths too 🤩

[@ukconstruction]

Thanks Ian, what you working on at the moment?? have not seen you recently on SB

[@iantarncarpentry4285]

@@ukconstruction hello Robin. That project has come to an end now for me, no Carpentry work left. I’ve got a few projects of my own to do, which I can’t wait for!

[@danielspence8017]

Never met anyone like this bloke on a site the way he works measurements out and I’m just like 🤯

[@patriciojara8800]

Hermoso trabajo, dan ganas de ponerse manos a la obra.

[@ukconstruction]

muchas gracias

[@loopypoodle]

I really enjoy these videos. I've been watching from the beginning and I haven't got a clue what's going on but I love your precision.

[@bazgriff4979]

what a fantastic and eazy way you explained the valley rafters robin. ive been a fan of your work for a long time now. And you have inspired me to take more care of my own work. So thank you for that mate.

[@ukconstruction]

Awesome, thank you!

[@BillyMustang101]

Personally I don't like to drop the Valley so the centre point lines up. I'd much rather cut a reverse backing bevel on the valley, old skool style. Makes fitting the valley Jack's a lot easier. Two rips on the bench and it's done. Much neater job.

[@RI-uv3lm]

I was thinking that too. But I presume, Robin must have a good reason for not doing it

[@rexolrexol7893]

When you do not have an overhang the center of the valley is the same height as the height above the plate of the common.. If you have an overhang you cut the seat 1/2 the thickness of the valley rafter towards the over hang so that automatically allows the rafter to slide towards the ridge and gives you the same hight above plate at the center of the valley as the common height above the plate..The place where the hip touches the plate is exactlly the same place the valley touches the center of the intersecting plates

[@davee8462]

I watched that twice and still don't understand how to do it, top class crafts man

[@Apocalypse_666]

So many skill saws 😍

[@robertmorris5214]

Fantastic workmanship Robin

[@DICEGEORGE]

you could make a template piece for the top, make one for the bottom, fix them in place, then measure from maybe 100mm up each of them

[@DICEGEORGE]

oh, i'm now at 8:3 and thats what you did !!!

[@contax50mm]

Great video Robin! I want one of those squares!

[@Shane_O]

Nice!

[@davidwebb2318]

meanwhile the rest of us have 3 goes at this and end up with a pile of firewood before we get one to fit!

[@pjeball]

- 3 science A-Levels (including Physics, which is basically applied Maths), - A science degree -Post graduate training in health economics and mathematical models - 15 years spend using said skills in technical / scientific jobs - Time spent on building sites working with family who are in trades - Carpentry / woodwork is my main hobby …And keeping up (or rather trying to keep up) with what Robin knows makes my brain HURT!!

[@ukconstruction]

Thats so mad!! I spent little time concentrating at school! Ungraded in maths GCSE and basically taught myself onsite and at college, you have really made me think!!! Thanks for your comment and you have blown my mind!!

[@PrettyGreenMonk]

Its the passion that gets the results . Seek and ye shall find

[@johnmorrissey1675]

Great video , it's a keeper 👍😁🇮🇪☘️🤟👋

[@Butser6387]

Very impressive and inspiring. Love the vids 👌

[@keithburton7516]

F me that would addle my old noggin. So much quicker with modern cordless tools and squares but needs the knowledge and skill. Could you have used different scarf joints or doubled up at the joints. Would modern poly glue add anything at the joints? Joy to watch again a man who knows his craft.

[@billalmohammed2565]

You are the modern Larry Haun.

[@ukconstruction]

Thats a true compliment to me, many thanks. Larry was a great carpenter and kindly shared his knowledge and was a true pioneer of video tutorials RIP to the master...

[@billalmohammed2565]

So true. Legend. When you become one with your tools. And so natural confident and respecting them. Like my Dad says look after your tools and they will look after you. Plus a gentle men. You can tell alot about a person by there speech. Good words are like a good tree. Building knowledge and carpentry go hand in hand. When is that skill saw going to be refurbished .?

[@ОлегКравцов-б3и]

Высший пилотаж! Браво!

[@ukconstruction]

благодарю вас

[@protectiongeek]

Great vid, Robin. You've obviously done this before :)

[@jesperMOlsen-mn3nx]

I really like your framing square! Is it out for sale for the mainland Europe carpenters? Excellent job you guys are doing! Regards from Denmark

[@ukconstruction]

Next Year it will be for sale for starting in the UK then Europe and then the rest of the world!!

[@jesperMOlsen-mn3nx]

@@ukconstruction Thank you for letting me know. I'll be buying one when the time comes then

[@antonyporter5045]

that 1 length of timber must be worth £100`s.........................fantastic video

[@3house325]

Lovely detail! I just noticed you are using the same Milwaukee laser I praised the other day.

[@ukconstruction]

Yes I am! its great

[@georgewilson5279]

Spot on as usual, should the valley rafter not be heavier that common rafter or even doubled?

[@denty32]

To any carpenters out there, sod second fixing building roofs is the best paying job that a carpenter can do. Once you get you head around the maths it’s really not that difficult. This is years of knowledge compressed into a 30 minute video. Another great video Robin

[@northkaskazini721]

Hi! Are you saying that fixing sod roofs are best paying? Just trying to understand what you mean 🙏

[@denty32]

@@northkaskazini721 yes 100%

[@tikunani]

@@denty32 Ahem, comma missing?

[@RobbieBeswick]

Was there any reason to doing the roof at 45°? I’m guessing it makes it a lot more simple working at 45 rather than something such as 41.5

[@caseyc4516]

How bad ass is that covering over the build ??don’t see that much in the states..

[@ukconstruction]

Nice one Casey, thanks for watching!!

[@cattelona100]

5935 not 5987 lol always best to measure , nice job

[@scottnever8732]

who ever said that chippies were failed bricklayers???

[@garycooper227]

Ribon have you ever done a eyebrow window

[@ukconstruction]

Yes mate a few, really quite straightforward I will try to do one for my channel

[@scrivenerscarpentry]

Can I come work with you guys

[@kevinbarton8036]

Lol nice eye brows. Bit off banter

[@moomastico]

I defy the keyboard warriors to pick fault with that one

[@gerardfarrell3135]

Theres keyboard warriors everywhere !

[@davetaylor4741]

Impressive as usual. Never could do that. Not able to work them out geometrically only by measurement. Then mostly worked on centuries old buildings far from true anyway. My hack way uses a string line to get the line and level. Offcut templates for top middle bottom placed to the line square ends pinned in place. Measure the two gaps then lay out pieces on Valley rafter with those spacings and you have a segmented overall pattern that should fit. Also works for hips and multiple birds mouths such as when the engineer sticks the big steel just down from the Ridge. I never had your skill level or confidence my cuts would be right so cutting them first on Offcuts a must for me. Not pretty but you have to work with what you have. But at least I then didn't waste timber getting cuts wrong.

[@eddjordan2399]

I often do it like that. I'm slowly getting better at stepping off but not great.

[@Michael-wm5fx]

Obvious experience and fine skill, love the attention to detail and accuracy in what some may say is rough first fix...

[@jaydivall1800]

I remember learning roofs as a apprentice. Best part of the job by far. Still remember my first roof, new roof on a old Victorian cottage with a big dormer on the back. All finished in Kent pegs.

[@garethfraser5211]

Love watching this guy, I've been in the trade as an electrician for 15 years, and never seen work to his level of craftsmanship. True master, he should be very proud of what he achieves, Amazing work.

[@ukconstruction]

Thank you Gareth!!

[@thetallcarpenter]

Making your roof turn so accurately through that valley rafter must be one of the most rewarding and satisfying parts of the whole project surely Robin🤩 Top work bud👊

[@dlite1972]

Still struggling to get my head round this 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@greenoval25]

Hi Robin, I have just found your channel and watched a few videos. Fantastic work, you are a true craftsman. I hope your apprentices fully appreciate what a good teacher they have.

[@gordonclark7632]

My head is spinning.

[@scottallen5269]

Yes!!! Thank you. I’m a Journeyman Carpenter/Craftsman with roughly 30 years experience in construction. I’ve taken my craft seriously, and it’s refreshing to see another Craftsman that does his job well… really well. I rarely even make it all the way through a video, and if I do, I stink up the comment section. Well done man.

[@ukconstruction]

Thank you Scott!! That means a great deal to me!!

[@stevehenke678]

Robin when you said 1 second you actually took 7 seconds. Come on mate this sort of performance is unacceptable. 😂 Cracking video pal. 👍

[@firsteerr]

my uncle always used to say " get it right , get the structure right and the rest will be a piece of p$$ " he also used to say " dont work your Bo***X off but pull your f**king finger out "

[@ukconstruction]

Love that!!

[@adriancarey7848]

Love this guy.

[@OpiTheFitnessAnimator]

Me too!

[@Everyday_Channell]

All around genuine

[@galvanizedgnome]

If it's warm enough, put a tank top on. Show off the guns.

[@grumpyone5963]

When you measured the going and couldn’t get your tape into the corner, you can use a steel rule on edge (or probably your square) to poke right into the corner and match 100mm to 100mm or use tape from other direction and measure to 100mm on steel rule, then add it on.

[@Foz1]

good tip but he didn't want his tape in the very corner because he's stepping off on the side of the rafter so he's measuring from where the side meets

[@grumpyone5963]

@@Foz1 Sorry I should have time stamped it. When he laid the tape flat on the grey floor boards to measure the going to the birds mouth.

[@Foz1]

@@grumpyone5963 yeah we're talking about the same one haha

[@grumpyone5963]

@@Foz1 Oh ok. I thought he paused and took a good educated guess at how much to the corner when he laid his tape there.

[@paulcloona9331]

I being watching Robin for awhile, he's top class. I'd love to work with him. I totally get how exact he has this building,and it need to be to do this valley rafter by using maths. Robin clevett all round work is fantastic, love his videos

[@needaman66]

Preparation is half the job. Its not hard of you do the work at the beginning. Basic carpentry really but the young guys dont get taught or practise this type of building anymore

[@amazing451]

Sadly this is so true Needaman !

[@peterdalby8019]

Skill, end of.😘

[@eamonnmulhern2332]

Today showed me.. (when working with some other "chippies") who's is a "carpenter" and who isn't.... I'm a modest man with 3kids and a mortgage...... I was trained in Ireland 20 years ago and I do my best to be modest; but fuck me this is easy but in comparison to what I'm working with ...... I'm fucking brilliant 😂😂😂😂. KINDLY KNOW YOUR JOB! Thank you Rob for knowing your Trade Sir.

[@kmandrews_]

Next time do not put any rafters next to the valley.l seat. Nailer one piece of 2x4 on the top of your left roofing rafter to end to the valley and later put the main valley rafter and with adjust to the 2x4 ( under 2x4 ) THE 2X4 will show you the correct point that you need to put your valley rafter. Advice = Master Carpenter in USA 🇺🇸

[@timbarry5080]

5987 mm? I know you guys don't like fractions, but that's just silly

[@dangiles5038]

It’s a shame we don’t really get the same engineered timber that they do across the pond. One of them LVLs would be perfect for long valleys and hips

[@25emann]

ps love the scaff canopy... flash b'stard. getting a client to cough for that....!

[@jeffdeluca1153]

Have you erected a roof over your entire project? Amazing

[@robertbamford8266]

“Get your cuts right way ‘round.” A pleasure to watch you work - and the perfection of your geometry. I suspect, though, that you are doing self-checking (like, “measure twice”, and “is this on the right side?”) that you omit to keep the video a reasonable length. At least that’s what I find myself doing on much simpler structuring. And (fortunately) finding errors before they become “discard and start over.”

[@thetessellater9163]

Its the winning way !

[@grumpyone5963]

I thought the same after he pulled his tape off when he marked out the length. After doing the scarf joint I’d want to be checking 4 times!

[@TheBrick2]

Stupid question. Why not do the scarf over the ashlar wall to offer it some support?

[@tomasmorrissey7324]

What about two ridges at the same hight but the two roof pitches are different ive done it quite a few times but just pulled a line up along to get d plumb cut

[@jonny4288]

Knocked it out the park again Robin, as said previously an apprentices dream. Master at work

[@willbee6785]

Great work Robin. Apprentices, take note. It will give you great confidence for your future if you learn this.

[@25emann]

the "traditional scarf join" details would have been nice....

[@MattJ2906]

Must admit I struggled to keep up with this one but I’m glad it fit 😂

[@conorlavery4762]

Home soon to light the fire, get the coffee on and watch another RC video........

[@johnwilliams-sc1vf]

I have previously commented Ashlar walls are made from dressed stone!

[@ukconstruction]

Hi John!! Its really strange as some engineers that I work with call the wall that supports the middle of a roof an Ashlar, maybe its a regional thing!! we do not have many dressed stone walls here in West Sussex, where are you?

[@TheToolnut]

Knee wall, pony wall or dwarf wall, I've never heard of them by any other name.

[@stuartlewis85]

Robin are you selling your roofing square and clamp?

[@robquince3076]

Brilliant video as always mate 👍perfection personified 👏👏👏👏

[@justinlassiter7671]

damn. Hitachi power tools stil sold outside of the US?

[@gmcq6298]

Robin, this lesson in fitting valley rafters, as well as all of your videos, clearly shows the experience that has gone beyond the academics of the craft. To quote Albert Einstein, "The only source of Knowledge is experience." It shows in how you approach planning and execution, the ease in just picking up and using tools, your ability to describe what is going on, and being able to reinforce how you got to where you are in the project by starting and remaining square, plumb and true throughout the project. Thank you.

[@ukconstruction]

Thanks so much, I didn't know I have published the video yet!! Did you receive a notification??

[@gmcq6298]

@@ukconstruction I did not. I just checked again and don't see it and notifications are on.

[@ukconstruction]

@@gmcq6298 Well you have had a personal preview!! only you have seen this video, it is being published tomorrow!! I just hope any other comments are as amazing as yours!! have a great evening

[@davelever2550]

Great video, would love a video on bastard hips one day

[@therealdojj]

all that maths has given me a headache lol

[@carolewarner101]

Wow...that's a bit of intense framing!

[@jordanhopper343]

I would love to do the roofing work after your chippy work! Would be absolute perfection! I would even scrap my trade roofing to learn carpentry of such a perfectionist. Hope I can teach the same care and detail to the youth coming through 👌

[@ukconstruction]

Cheers Jordan, I'm sure you will mate!

[@blotontheland]

Perfection at its best, really great vid, thanks for sharing.

[@dannybaldwin4149]

I’m a carpenter myself and cut Roofing is by far my most enjoyable, robin your setting out is unreal it’s a pleasure to watch and pick up new tips.

[@ukconstruction]

I love it too Danny!! Maybe make a video too bro, I love seeing other peoples approach!!

[@robertevans9897]

Brilliant but everything is about tools can you do it with hand tools not battery saws Imagine how much electricity is used by battery operated tools charging every day and night and the cost of making the tools and batteries save the planet bullocks

[@ukconstruction]

Well its just how it is, I hear you!! But imagine if we could compete using only hand tools, the trouble would be that the work would take significantly longer and the we would travel more in vehicles to get to and from work, the vehicles would pollute more and wear out quicker and then that would also have an impact on the environmental too!

[@kevinwooldridge2127]

I'm in awe of the man. amazing to watch

[@willsimpson5374]

Excellent work Robin I’m a Lead worker and I would love to work on a job you have built Good woodwork makes lead work a lot easier

[@andrewwiltshire8796]

👌 You are so correct .it’s a breeze every roof I do for Robin is pitch perfect .it’s such a pleasure and when working with valleys bonnet the pitch is always millimetre perfect all the way round the roof .rafters are so flush you could slide a level across the whole roof and it wouldn’t kick up or bounce or knock on a higher rafters.I’ve done some amazing roofs for Robin he is an amazing Tradesmen especially roof construction 👍

[@barryford7135]

Top work, but you lost me early doors?

[@militantmode7639]

Very interesting roof

[@Johnsull1965ish]

Such a pleasure watching what you do and how you do it.

[@Ste197]

Some wendy house that, lad .

[@frankyates7910]

what a teriffic job well done.

[@seanmoran1056]

Separates the men from the boys .

[@unitseven7]

Robin, we're can I purchase your roofing square and fence please

[@ukconstruction]

Hi Steve, I am so close to having some for sale, they will be available on my website www.robc.co.uk

[@nazar9794]

You need to write up a book to sell

[@stephanielongden597]

Top quality throughout. The unrelenting and unreasonable pressures imposed on construction workers has ensured that Robin's quality work is rare. Also rare is his honour and truthfulness. I love watching him work and learning from his vast experience.

[@rexolrexol7893]

The Hip and Valley are exactly the same length.... If the span of the common rafter is say 20' and you have a rafter book you would look up this span minus the thickness of the ridge san 1 1/2 so you would look up 19' 10 1/2'' under common rafters That would be the exact length of the common no shortening If you look up 19' 10 1/2'' under hip or valley that would give you the exact length of the Valley no shortening as far as the seat of the valley if there is no over hang just use the same hight above plate of the common say 4 1/2'' for the seat That would be the center of the valley the two ouside edges of the valley would be lower because of the side cut of the valley

[@billalmohammed959]

Good job. Spot on. 👍👌 Did you use a single valley rafter as you are sitting on the ashlar wall. Just say it wasn't there would it be a double? Nothing can replace the beast. When it's needed. (Corded circular saw) My top tip this winter you can always take a layer off if you get hot 🔥 but you can not add it if you haven't got it with you. Keep warm.

[@jeffyoung321]

Perfection, beautiful job.

[@eamonnmulhern2332]

May I be so bold to ask Rob to show how instead of using a 8x3 valley beam use a 8x2 doubled up for a valley beam and the measurements to over come the difference. 😊. Good lesson to teach❤

[@terencecottington4273]

I'm always completely blown away seeing a true craftsman at work. If I was the home owner, I would be more than pleased with the way in which you have managed this build.

[@chrishayes5755]

by the standards of the framing companies I've been working for - this guy is god-tier

[@piee683]

21st century norm abram

[@johncoppock3823]

Phenomenal. I'm intrigued if you ever cut say a birdsmouth that's not in quite the right place. Guess years of experience have taught you all the little ways to avoid. Interesting point first about the building being level, true and square at the gable, and what to do if not (and how much you can get away with and still work round)

[@colinmiles1052]

My brain hurts after that!

[@PingCrosby1]

Christ, and I'm proud of making a tiered planter lol. Amazing craftsmanship

[@thetessellater9163]

Yeah, I made a beautiful pond surround using sleepers !

[@needaman66]

His name is Robin, not christ

[@timbarry5080]

I'd love to see how you put a steep cut across the with of a piece of framing lumber, say an 8 in 12 plumb cut but at a 68 degree angle. Thank you

[@jamestowsey5821]

Excellent work once again. Were you ever taught to plane the angles on the hips as opposed to setting the hip rafters lower than the plane of the commons? I was by my college 12 years ago. Hope you see this comment Robin