MAKING THE BEST RAIDS OF ALL TIME!!

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Hey guys! it's officially time for us to debut the brand new official world of warcraft draft format. In this video me, growl, meeix, automaticjak & thdlock will be drafting the best raid of all time. we ofc let chat vote on it at the end to see whos list they preferred the most. Anyways hope you enjoy!
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0:00 - Intro & Rules
7:41 - 1st Pick
8:20 - 2nd Pick
8:37 - 3rd Pick
8:54 - 4th Pick
10:01 - 5th Pick
10:34 - 6th & 7th Pick
11:18 - 8th Pick
11:42 - 9th Pick
12:54 - 10th Pick
13:30 - 11th Pick
14:08 - 12th & 13th Pick
15:17 - 14th Pick
16:01 - 15th Pick
16:37 - 16th Pick
17:21 - 17th Pick
18:38 - 18th & 19th Pick
19:32 - 20th Pick
20:55 - 21st Pick
21:35 - 22nd Pick
21:55 - 23rd Pick
22:14 - 24th & 25th Pick
23:41 - 26th Pick (Opulence Kill Video)
25:00 - 27th Pick
25:14 - 28th Pick
26:36 - 29th Pick
28:35 - 30th and 31st Pick
30:46 - 32nd Pick
31:05 - 33rd Pick
31:47 - 34th Pick
32:37 - 35th Pick
33:11 - 36th & 37th Pick
34:25 - 38th Pick
36:07 - 39th Pick
37:22 - 40th Pick
38:13 - 41st Pick
39:50 - 42nd & 43rd Pick
41:18 - 44th Pick
42:12 - 45th Pick (hackerman)
44:55 - 46th Pick
46:48 - 47th Pick
47:37 - 48th & 49th Pick
48:40 - 50th Pick
49:36 - 51st Pick
50:08 - 52nd Pick
50:46 - 53rd Pick
51:53 - FINAL PICK
52:30 - Thoughts
57:40 - Straw Poll & Results!
1:05:43 - Pull Counts & Fixed Draft Order
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[@needsanameedit4982]

Kind of want Fronk to add in his personal list to these drafts, an editor's choice of sorts.

[@bradleyps]

Do this.

[@meecrob500]

He loves doing that kinda stuff

[@joshualuttrell7269]

Max telling everyone not to yap too much after every pick then yapping too much after everybody's pick

[@chalky77white]

the man literally commented on everyone's pick, but i get it, he is passionate about it!

[@leowulfjenkins]

Dratnos picking a full ST raid just to oppress moonkins even more is peak

[@darkmatterpancake9824]

Dratnos, truly a man of the people

[@robertwacholz5646]

Need a visual counter for every "Thats right" from Daddy Dratty. Fronk loves doing stuff like that

[@vicakakick]

Thats right

[@iantha999]

I love jack picking healer bosses in this. I would hard agree that Maut and Hivemind were awesome fights to heal.

[@WarthUnder-om8ox]

I wonder what the correlation of it being healer fights and also having the lowest pullcount is. Maybe Jak liked the bosses because healers were more impactful, and he as a good player could reduce the number of pulls? Instead of having DPS wiping him? Or maybe since it was healer-focused fights, they were by default easier, since there are only 4 healers, so fewer people that can mess up?

[@brenden1860]

Hivemind was a blast for AOE dps too one of my favorites

[@iantha999]

@@WarthUnder-om8ox As a healer, I can tell you. Predictable damage, where you can plan cooldowns around and absolutely pop off during them? Cool. (Maut/Sludgefist/abyssal commander) Rot damage fights where you have constant impact on the survivability of the raid, and are constantly doing something? Awesome (Hivemind/Orgozoa/Abyssal commander) I don't think it has anything to do with easier fights. Even Sylvannas was a good fight to heal. And I hard agree with Max, that people give sylvannas too much shit (mainly because heroic sylvannas was a dogshit fight) What suprised me, was that Jack picked Mekkatorque as a fight though, and maybe my experience on that fight was a bit biased since my guild wasn't that good, but fights where your players have to Line of sight with a mechanic that can kill them (bombs) Is not enjoyable for me.

[@WarthUnder-om8ox]

@@iantha999 Right, I agree with you that they are cool fights, the question is how does that relate to their low pull count?

[@ConiugatioPeriphrast]

@@WarthUnder-om8ox I guess you're right about less people being able to mess up. Theres only so many mechanics you can put in a single fight, and if one or more are aimed at healers, they're not oneshots (unless they're dispels, but those dont make healing fun, because dispelling is by definition not healing)

[@kasper1241]

Max is definitely overestimating his own list. Amalgamation, Botanist, Council, Avatar and Fyrakk are far from my favourite fights. I think he base his opinion on Mythic and a lot of people only did these bosses in heroic pugs.

[@joshmaxwell9093]

Max was so upset that he didn't win, saying his was objectively the best and his chat just didn't want to vote for him. But he just didn't have the best list and it wasn't close lmao

[@icresp4263]

Yeah he had a couple good ones but not everyone loved those bosses. I wasn't huge on sludgefist, hated council of blood, amalgamation chamber, and tel'arn.

[@prophetofchud3387]

I love this type of content that he does but Max really can't wrap his head around other people having a different opinion than him lol

[@sneaksies8931]

@@icresp4263ydkb

[@Catboysanji]

Max’s list is actually so griefed by council of blood, fyrakk and opulence it’s wild. Growls list is actually goated

[@SomeRandomGuy2112]

Growl is forever the man of the people

[@lukasnorie]

agree on everything except opulence, opulence was alright, but definitely better choices out there. I do not for the life of me understand the fyrak pick even with the RWF PoV except for the fact that it was super close and exciting, the fight is just not a s-tier boss

[@iantha999]

I think it's kind of ironic how people say "at the start of shadowlands we knew there'd be the Anima power boss and we feared for it" and in the same sentence praise Opulence which is in essence a sort of precursor to an anima power boss. That being said, I loved opulence. And i think that pick is actually very very cultured. Council of blood is a grief I agree.

[@erike9074]

Hard agree. Fyrakk has one of the best final phases of all time, but the private auras in intermission and P2 make the fight automatically F tier for a lot of players.

[@jamie96311]

Council of blood is great

[@Thorn796]

THD had all the hardcore players, Dratnos had the casual players (except for the end of the raid), Jak had the healers, Growl had Smolderon and Rashok, Meeix had nothing and Max had Sludgefist. Opulence, Botanist, Council of blood and Fyrakk are meh imo. I just feel like Max went for a well rounded raid which in the end attracts nobody. I stand by the poll with Dratnos ahead

[@akunomatata7897]

Thd, max, and meeix straight throwing here

[@ShardsOfStone]

Max might be a great raider but he is kinda bad at drafting imo lol.

[@bongcrusha420]

this is honestly the kind of cook blizz should do for season 4s or w.e the end of expac season is instead of raid rotations. make some torghast esque tower with top tier bosses to work through. can make it some community event for the bosses to be chosen somehow

[@matthewhudson1128]

I think alot of people hate Fyrakk seed mechanics and Council of Blood while I enjoyed it, I don't think its a peoples pick. Surprised there was no mention of Jaina, loved that fight personally.

[@fruntastic4257]

This makes me realize how cool it would be for a fated season (if they continue to do it) if instead of fated raids we could get a boss rush type of raid using previous bosses. I would be happy with any of these lists but i think tunning would be hard because each raid tunning was so tied to the borrowed power we had at that time.

[@Tyberes]

Warning the healers that I was about to send an auto crit Glacial Spike on Maut was the most fun I ever had raiding.

[@hrolnir]

On a long enough timeline, all WoW content becomes spreadsheets

[@hrolnir]

Also Max is a classic Fantasy Draft yapper. 100% in everybody else's head

[@justcuz8687]

Love this!! keep up with these videos! Great series

[@Rellfy]

Look at how fast the Nathria bosses go. GOAT raid!

[@Kelsousername]

I love these videos. I drive for work so listen to it in the background like a normal podcast. Keep them coming ! Also, Growl is king

[@maxl1939]

I’d sooner poison myself with hemlock than vote for Sludgefist as a demon hunter. If you did it as a DH, you probably know why it had to do with fel rush.

[@darkmatterpancake9824]

Stop fel rushing during chains, youre gonna kill two people with one button

[@Kalastrian]

I feel like most DH played demonic that tier so we didn’t have to FR much at all

[@maxl1939]

@@darkmatterpancake9824 thats the precise problem

[@darkness9538]

Watching this live amazing max just rage quit his stream after he lost the vote it was the greatest thing ever

[@ryananderson1887]

Dratnos' Star Augur Pick literally brought back one of my best and most head slamming Mythic raid boss memories. Still my favorite mythic raid of MY experience.

[@cod-the-creator]

Ursoc lives rent free in my nightmares. I played spriest. On farm Ursoc died so fast you had to s2m at like 50% which didn't leave much room for error (in a spec that already had the tightest rotation in the history of the game). This shouldn't be an issue, but whenever Ursoc would charge we'd have a mage blinking to africa or someone running the wrong direction or some shit. Ursoc would charge, everyone loses a little uptime, I die. Everyone laughs. Fuck Ursoc.

[@avinion]

Should have voted in 3 rounds, tank, healer and dps perspective.

[@horiapopa3172]

max is actually such a sore loser lmao.

[@fe1ian637]

they should have some of that casual podcast guys here too

[@kasper1241]

“I think your name is just too close to Max” 😂😂😂

[@plutocat1229]

Is this sheet (the template) available somewhere?

[@mattniehoff2053]

Dratnos: "That's Right" TM

[@Vikingeek]

Not sure if it'd make a whole lot of difference, but could've been a fun addition to include picking which raid's trash to use in their draft raid - I'm sure everyone has thoughts on which raid has good/bad trash too ;op

[@mebrandonb]

I don't know why people were so against Jak's list, there were a lot of really fun fights on there. Hivemind to this day remains one of my favorite raid bosses ever, that shit was cool.

[@TheMashuto]

This was banger content. I do hope max doesn’t take the bit too personal. Even if it is hilarious to watch.

[@WhiteWolves.]

The only thing that was missing from this was like a layout pick also, just so when we voted in chat we would have a better idea of what we would hate or love to do😂

[@keetaroth]

i like these, blizzard should make a weekly boss rush mode with bosses on a random rotation every week

[@Dyinghistorymajor]

shoutout to my boy Jak for repping us healers

[@redtemple8918]

Shame you don’t go from ToT onwards I’d say there’s some mega first bosses like immersius and kargath bladefist for example I think that those tiers are also of modern quality

[@marklushenley7868]

Max you and the crew since you guys made raids should make a 20 man raid comp of the classes and specs you would take to this raid and pick the designs of those classes and specs starting from legion all the way to DF

[@marklushenley7868]

Draft style of course

[@Eyad.k2]

Man, dratnos picking is so bang

[@averyward7520]

Yoooooooo THD being here made my day. Let's goooo!

[@Arithawn84]

Nice music Fronk

[@okayleethogs1068]

I get why, but it’s a shame WoD isn’t included. They still haven’t made an end boss better than Mythic Blackhand. Gul’dan, Sire, and Argus are close but not quite.

[@Shadowfex]

Ya, I just always get sad when I see these cuz I know it's just gonna be Legion-DF. Would really like to see a group do this for all expansions.

[@TayzerLazerGames]

Before watching - If sire denathrius or le shen isn't on here we riot.

[@aaronhewitt6312]

They still going to do top 10 best raid bosses? They did 10 worst dungeons and raid bosses but only 10 best dungeons. There will be a lot of overlap but it’s a different type of list.

[@jacobtafoya2462]

THD with the 1700 pull count raid. If your raid team survives that entire raid they will get sent to the warfront because they can survive ANYTHING.

[@frank1469]

You should also give names to your raids, and vote for each others raid in top 3's

[@ViriuZ7]

Why is it only from Legion trough Dragonflight?

[@joshuawoodard6998]

Hivemind, Rygelon, Thaddius, Huntsman Alt, lady inerva, hungering destroyer, lords of dread w/o the w/a part, Dausegne, patchwerk, Maut. I only started CE 8.3 to current and casual before then for reference. I like bosses where mechanics don't stop you from pumping. Pure rotatation, your spec vs mine type of bosses.

[@Keldonnation]

Max had a banger list a lot of the comments are tripping. My guild still quotes council of blood lol. But Dratnos definitely deserved that win

[@slykotic8718]

Growl's raid on repeat i'd resub forever

[@FeralKobold]

With the stipulation that if they tuned it higher it would have been S tier, I'm a little sad not to see volcoross. That fight had the opportunity to be such an amazing DPS check but they just gave it way too little HP and it ended up getting steamrolled and was more like a mid raid break than a hard check like it should have been

[@TooMuchTuna7]

Glad Jak came!

[@erike9074]

I wish they included pre-Legion expansions in this but understand why they don't. Their boss pool is missing some of the GOATs like kaelthas, Lich King, H Ragnaros, Lei Shen, Seigecrafter, and Blackhand.

[@bayazwow]

Not even gonna watch but I already know Growl will have the best raid because he just picks bosses that are fun to play

[@BunsGlaizin]

Am I the only person that loves Ghuun the most 😂

[@snuggoe]

we love u fronk

[@icresp4263]

As a tank and dps main i wouldve picked Jak's list. Every single boss in there was super fun. Couldnt pick one i didnt like. The other lists all had a stinker or 2.

[@duetobe]

this needs to be on twitter without names

[@Jrose767]

Fronk loves doing a lot of stuff huh

[@alexpettersson5635]

Free the document to the public i wanna duplicate it and play too XD

[@wantsomecandy9531]

54:29 is so based

[@stewartbell4736]

Ofc Thd's raid has the highest pull count!

[@eonarose]

We need to start a union for fronk.

[@dudenamedskip]

I don't watch the streams, is the whole "sore loser" thing a bit? Other than that, this was a lot of fun to listen to.

[@mebrandonb]

It was a mixture of things. He was warned by (I think) Dratnos in advance that, if they did this list in this format, Max's chat would just vote against him for the luls, and you can tell Max put a lot of thought into his list and thought it was worth more votes than it got (which is true, imo).

[@GantaaOhime]

What is "mid raid wall"?

[@riddermark1398]

Shriek wing blows

[@Csucsugamushi]

Mine would be: Shriek Amalgamation Soulrender Lady Ashvane Rashok Star Augur Sludgefist Rygelon Argus

[@stevenhampson699]

good picks all round

[@vaypur8584]

How the fuck did Nzoth not get picked?! Greatest boss of all time

[@TheOnlyFreestylex]

Dratnos list is just better

[@occasionalgoldfish]

I live for yap content. Pls moar! Also praise Fronk!

[@mellowsunset7730]

I generally liked the picks, a lot of great bosses in the last few years. I like how the best players like a good hard challenge (unlike some of the so-called high end mythic + players who whine and moan for everything to be nerfed and made more bland and easy all the time).

[@mehet__]

Spectacular Also Jak and Meeix robbed

[@LATHSPELL70]

Where is Rashok??

[@Koetzah]

maximum delusion

[@koramorgaming]

ranked choice polls! lol

[@seifyk]

Should have been Siege forward

[@pizapzop]

I love how Max is gasing his own picks when it is unasailably by far the absolute WORST of all 6 😂 and it Isn’t close

[@Ne0nw0w]

ayo

[@Erik_Arnqvist]

Seething

[@Rosario101]

I posted this idea on the M+ draft video, love that they are doing this! Looking forward to watching Max lose again 😅

[@urbenjames12]

King Growl

[@rodrigoa4506]

My list as a mage: garroshi xy'mox (sepulcher) krosus Imonar kin'garoth halondrus maiden fallen avatar kil'jaeden honorable mentions: denathrius as last boss, MOTHER and inquisition as 2nd early bosses fight me yea 7 legion bosses lol, I enjoyed the fuck out of that expansion also 0 DF bosses

[@leighjamieson1856]

Meeix and Jak, I will catch the next video.

[@fatalisticnarrator4172]

The only thing that I'd maybe change possibly for a future take is more diversity in the panel. Obviously elite raiders have some wild opinions for sure, but imagine if you plucked some random dude who just does AOTC and never touches mythic. Heaven forbid, an LFR-only kinda gamer. I think that might help keep things interesting.

[@ToxicTurtleIsMad]

No siegecrafter blackfuse???????????????????????

[@alacritysp]

raid bosses not raids?

[@painfullyavarage4316]

I think the title is technically correct, they are drafting bosses to create a raid, and multiple people are participating making multiple raids

[@alacritysp]

@@painfullyavarage4316 pretty sure title was without ''making'' the few min ago

[@fronkacean]

@@alacritysp changed title from drating to making to avoid confusion - would still argue that they are drafting to create the best raid so that was the idea with the wording

[@alacritysp]

@@fronkacean yea my bad it was kind of confusing

[@Epicmission48]

Let’s gooo

[@20the20]

isnt it pretty telling that all the most beloved fights are purely single target? having to switch to little shitters or larodar roots or dutiful attendants is the fucking worst and blizzard needs to take note.

[@iantha999]

I raise you hivemind!

[@20the20]

@@iantha999 i have never once heard hivemind mentioned in any discussion of good bosses ever

[@iantha999]

@@20the20 Well it is in this video isn't it? So that's not true at all if you watched this video.

[@caseycoffman9692]

Dratnos > Growl > everything else was garbage.

[@wow6720]

thd highest, growl lowest

[@maisern12]

did he do this again, i swear to god i already watched this?

[@fronkacean]

he did a livestream of this a few weeks back, may be where you have seen it before =)

[@Phoecian]

Not seeing Blackhand on a "best raid of all time" list is kinda rough

[@mebrandonb]

It was from Legion onwards only, so no raids prior to that counted.

[@michaelmoran2125]

It's completely crazy seeing c list actors give the Patrician Growl a hard time. Don't they know he is the mythic plus resto druid. Rest of these guys run raids or something.

[@incantus1]

didnt already do this

[@daenerys231]

Max here not realizing that good bosses for RWF aren't necessarily good for your casual CE raider. Council of Blood bad, Avatar bad, Fyrakk, total shit. Shriekwing was good, the rest of his were very meh. Dratnos and Grow picked bosses that were great for casual CE raiders which is why they won.

[@katusoqt]

holy fuck max makes his own content unbearable to watch. talks nonstop over every single other person

[@JakeRowland337]

Maybe it's just me but this music at the beginning is obnoxious. Just constant random noises that make it aggressively difficulty to hear what people are saying.

[@blackjack47]

Crazy Blackhand wasn't picked its easily top 3 mythic endboss

[@Frawt]

Crazy you didn't watch the video and are complaining about a video you didn't watch/listen to

[@ungulatemanalpha]

Amalgamation being an early boss and Ursoc being a mid-tier boss makes no sense. You can and did do them both second! What is going on

[@Falzyker]

Alright I know it is a Legion-DF list... But they did my boy Blackhand dirty by leaving him out, that was the single most memorable fight ever for me.