Makitas NEW High Output Battery, A Makita Compact 5Ah Battery

Makita have finally mad a compact 5Ah battery, but there is a catch, it's on the 12v CXT tool line... So does this mean that Makita are about to release some newer more power hungry 12v tools? Let's hope so.
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[@SlowExpensive]

Blew my load before hearing it was a 12V and am filled with much shame and much regret. Happy Friday.

[@nils1953]

Stuff it back in, otherwise it's just wasted

[@TorqueTestChannel]

"Please Makita, update the CXT battery line. Among everything you make, it's dying for 21700 cells" Said not one damn pathetic soul on the face of the planet

[@riba2233]

haha good one :D but for real this format is ideal for 12v line, small, high capacity with enough power and wider base for tool stability.

[@shifty277]

haha 18v 21700 packs FTW

[@GunSmoker]

CXT does not have size restrictions, LXT does. Bigger LXT will not fit certain tools, while there are no such tools for CXT.

[@TorqueTestChannel]

​@@GunSmoker Ohh, you don't have to convince me that Makita made some shortsighted decisions on 18V and accidently left the door open on 12V by making so few tools with it

[@dk2428]

Freaking 18V updates are taking longer than world peace. Wtf Makita. We all need them yesterday!

[@jayquick6520]

CXT needed a fresh update. I’ve got well over a grand or two invested in CXT and only a couple tools see daylight every once in a great while. It wasn’t always like that either. My CXT sds hammer drill was once my pride and joy for installing pipe hangers but I just got sick of swapping batteries every five minutes no lie. The other big names have a proper line of 12v tools for the commercial/industrial work site. Why not my favorite and most trusted brand? We’re lucky 18v LXT is even still supported well after the XGT launch lol.

[@rjt135]

I think it'd be great to have more competition in the 12V segment. I'm highly invested in the LXT line but M12 was the obvious choice for 12V / compact stuff.

[@wayward-saint]

I personally think Makita should just abandon their 12v and focus on good, subcompact 18v batteries and tools. Makita’s subcompact 18v using a 2ah battery is already about the same size as Dewalt’s 12v line.

[@patbird9694]

Thanks for the in depth review Mr Tools.

[@Davey768]

He's got nothing on Mr. Stuff

[@lllhunterlll9644]

Finally finally!! Now for a full launch of all new Brushless 12v tools!! Sawsall, Impact, Drill, Circ saw, endless options.

[@MightyHawx]

FFS the lxt range is one of the most popular in the world and the battery landscape hasnt seen anything new in years!

[@adammarriott7464]

I wish they would do somthing like this with the 18v batteries

[@izoyt]

yep, lxt coould see some upgrade to 21700 format. but then 36 volt line will become strong as their "40v" , lol..

[@nils1953]

Just do pouch cell style batteries. That was they wouldn't have to worry about size increase not being collectible with 2x18 (36v) tools.

[@SammyInnit]

​@nils1953 Pouch style are a gimmick. They'll run at high output but for nothing like the lifespan of cylindrical cells.

[@nils1953]

@@SammyInnit if you go by longevity, the 18650's in Makitas current packs are unbeatable.

[@TLDRDad]

Tools, great video as always. Do the 22v batteries also have the hidden code feature with the number of charges, etc?

[@alexmills1329]

The little white screw cover can’t invalidate the warranty for US customers. Magnuson Moss Warranty Act makes any ‘warranty void if removed ‘ pieces illegal and will even reimburse your legal fees in pursuing the issue if it comes up. Sorry to be technical but I’ve had a few bosses over the years try to stop us from fixing basic issues over concerns of warranties and informing them with their rights has always helped.

[@kizzjd9578]

Luckily the makita batteries never fail.

[@Tyan_Nahts]

​@@kizzjd9578 I love my LXT but I've had 4 5ah cross over to the scrap cell bin. 1 of those ALL the cells were still holding charge at 4.18v each, so it was something in the board. If I had the time I'm sure they would have done a swap out, but I didn't so I kept it moving.

[@Daniel2211]

Does that finally mean, that we can expect 21700 cells in 18V system as well? Would be great

[@txvet7738]

Yup, that’s why I jumped on the M12 line since Ridgid discontinued their 12V line…jerks cause the palm impact driver is an awesome little impact.

[@ruddigger83]

The 12v is my go to for my service tool bag. So handy

[@levro7367]

Are we ever going to get upgraded 18v batteries

[@riba2233]

"fun" fact, these 50S cells were used in infamous DeWalt 10ah packs 😉

[@ImranAhmed-fm9zl]

Oh that's terrible. Hopefully, they don't run into the same issue.

[@MightyHawx]

Whats the story there?

[@riba2233]

@@MightyHawx they bundled them with lawnmowers which draw too much power for these cell (they are somewhat weaker than 4ah 21700's) and had a lot of complaints and rmas

[@riba2233]

@@ImranAhmed-fm9zl not an issue on this one.

[@pete_lind]

@@MightyHawx Issues is DeWalt , it has some quality and battery problem , big batteries come with their own problems , big battery has more mass so its wobbles more and burns power contact ... same with Milwaukee 12Ah and most likely Bosch 12Ah , they all have short power connectors.

[@peterryan7340]

18 x 2 LXT won't work with 21700 cells?

[@powderdescent]

Hey Tools, of course the LEDs are green… matches the battery cell casing, same as the old 2Ah. Makes sense!

[@georgedavall9449]

Green easier to see in bright light. Witness: laser levels

[@jayquick6520]

LXT subcompact offered a nice line of smaller and lighter tools but CXT gets even smaller and lighter than that. LXT offers a great line of massive and powerful tools but XGT gets even more massive and powerful than that. We have 2 platforms designed to be the best in their class and remain future proof. I love my LXT tools and the platform has some potential left sure, but Makita has a house full of framed XGT pictures. Their trip to Tahiti. Their first date, their first kiss. Makita still might invite LXT over for a cookout now and then and maybe even make slight hints that they might one day get back together, but LXT knows it’s time to move on lol

[@kenshirogenjuro873]

Awesome to see, I love my CXTs but definitely wish Makita would make more, there's no shortage of potential compact applications they could make. In particular a Dremel, a soldering iron, maybe also miniature offset routers and angled attachment driver kits like Bosch has. Oh, and an updated brushless circular saw is honestly long overdue. Those would all be swank. Part of why I think they continue to hesitate on bigger LXT batteries (besides simply putting more emphasis on XGT) is there are so many pre-existing LXT tools where the existing batteries are already a snug fit, especially with their many X2 tools. Some won't fit the thickness of 3-layer 18650s while others won't fit the larger footprints of 21700s. XGT on the other hand was designed with 21700s already in mind. Another consideration is that while the increased current output of larger batteries may offer more performance, they could also cause premature tool failure as they were QC'd with nothing larger than 5x2 packs of 18650s. I lamented quite a bit about not getting larger batteries on LXT when XGT was hitting the scene. But I haven't been building as much of late so I've been less concerned. If I still were though, I think I'd just use those huge back-pack sized things with the adapters on the few tools where I'd like the extra battery life and call it good.

[@patryk7102]

Compare this with 2 and 4 ah in td111 and df332.

[@danielreynolds6498]

I’m only guessing but with the looks of the new soon to be out high output 2.5 ah XGT might translate into a high output 5ah LXT.

[@brianf9619]

Makita Can't use 21700 cells in their 18v line because the Wider Batteries will Not Fit on their 18v x 2 / 36v tools , but I say screw it and make the 21700 celled Batteries anyway for the 18v tools ..... 👍🖖

[@patryk7102]

They can use pouch cells. Like in bl4025f

[@georgedavall9449]

@. 06:12 - Damn good question !!!!!!!!!!!

[@dazaspc]

If I am not mistaken the first Makita 21700 cell battery? Their like all 12 volt lines needed this desperately as they just dont have enough juice for much at all.

[@riba2233]

Not at all, few 40v packs use 21700 cells, and 4ah 12v pack still has more output power than this one

[@dazaspc]

@@riba2233 My best Homer impression DOUGh

[@riba2233]

@@dazaspc haha good one :D

[@veeguo0]

18v can’t use 21700 cells is probably because most of 36v tool won’t be able to use them with increased size?

[@loochan325]

Not a real problem for open space 2x18V battery tools. They can rotate 3 cells 90° just like on these 10.8V packs, and add 2 cells on a second row. This wey the 18V packs can even be 20mm shorter and 2mm less wide, 70mm instead of 90 ( 5 x18) for lenght and 63mm ( 3x21) instead of 65mm for width that counts more. If the cells are packed in a zig-zag intercalated wey, the height can be similar or only a few mm bigger. But F or tabless cells are needed. And new tools for both 18V and 12max. DDF457 plastic case is wey too thin and to compete with GSR 18V-55 and DCD800 it needs 4 Nm more soft torque @ higher RPM for both speed 1 and 2, so it needs a lot more amps. Same for DF332 that is 9 or 10 years old and has too stiff torque setting ring. Makita needs to bring high output F battery packs with tabless cells. And for old tools on 14.4V they need new packs that first thing first are much more afordable, even some 2.5Ah or even 2Ah compact, but not 1.4-1.5, and for 30-35 USD retail.

[@riba2233]

@@loochan325 I have DF332, torque ring is not stiff at all and it also not 10 years old, not even close. Did you mistake it for 333 maybe?

[@loochan325]

​​@@riba2233DF332 was released in 2015 so 9 years ago. 333 is newer but just a refresh for older 331 crap. 330 was beyound absurd crap and 331 and 333 are not much better, and not because are not brushless. GSR 10.8 2 Li/12V-15/12V-15FC are heavy duty realy with brushess.

[@loochan325]

​​@@riba2233DF 332 brushless was released in 2015 so 9 years ago. 333 is newer altrough just a refresh for older 331, not realy something usable. GSR 10.8 2 Li from 2011 later renamed GSR 12V-15 and 12V-15FC are much better then 333 and realy heavy duty. GSR 12V-35 /FC or not is brushless. Hilti has SF12A12 brushless with 4Ah @ 21700.

[@alexmills1329]

@@loochan325that wouldn’t work with a lot of existing makita 18v X2 tools and that’s the reason they haven’t made them yet. Their older design x2 tools have no space for a larger battery width wise or height wise. Some of their newer tools do have extra space for if they go that route but they are hesitant to have another battery that only fits some LXT tools

[@19Daantje98]

6:38 Does anyone have more information of this?

[@user-fx7ic1tw6d]

Жду того же для 18вольтовой батареи для LXT tools, надеюсь скоро пояаится Thanks Булатный лайк мой👍

[@georgedavall9449]

Tools & Stuff !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TOO Cool !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@DustRule]

Дело всё в impedance 👍🏻. Если будет выпущено 10 ам/ч то будет 🔥. 200% performance.

[@SupposedlyShiny]

Has anyone made a higher AH slim 18v battery? Like the 1.5 or 2.0ah with large capacity cells

[@kizzjd9578]

The 2ah are high output.

[@wearsjorge55]

I've seen a 3ah or possibly a 2ah but you'd have to check online stores if you're in Australia. Places like Sydney tools/total tools have removed all the slim/small batteries from their websites so they may have been discontinued here

[@kizzjd9578]

@@wearsjorge55 i have to order my slimline 2ah from the usa but it works out about $120aud per battery after shipping.

[@wearsjorge55]

@kizzjd9578 yikes that's alot.

[@kizzjd9578]

I heard a while ago that they didnt want to change the physical size of the 18v batteries because the 18v x2 are so close together and also some single 18v tools have a molded case to suit the standard battery.

[@zipfelchefchen6816]

The bigger 40V batteries don't even fit on every XGT tool, so I doubt it.

[@kizzjd9578]

@@zipfelchefchen6816 yea but the 18v tools are different. Look at the chainsaw, mitresaw etc. about 5mm gap between them. They could possibly be taller and longer but not wider.

[@henryairconcepts2999]

I was hoping Makita would come up with flat Lipo cells batteries like Dewalt power stack

[@free2chasehappy]

I just don’t know why Makita doesn’t market more in the US. I want to get them but so many of their products aren’t sold here.

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

They do have some odd strategies in the US.

[@free2chasehappy]

@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL yeah. Unfortunately.

[@alouisschafer7212]

I dont know really why they still bring out new stuff for 12V. Seems obsolete next to 18V.

[@Derek-tk4wf]

I dont think I've ever seen someone using 12v Makita tools on a jobsite or in the wild, ever. In the US. For 12v, its Milwaukee and then everything else. Ive seen a couple people use the harbor freight Hercules/Bauer. Then its random specific chinesium branded cheap tools.

[@riba2233]

they are very underrated.

[@martinuskukuhkoentjoro5102]

It is like bosch procore 😅

[@plamenpetrov681]

4Ah should be the most powerful. 2 cells in parallel = less internal resistance = low voltage drop.

[@kylehocking420]

milwaukees 5.0 high output will be 18650 because 21700 cell wouldnt fit as its an insert not slide on battery. 21700 lxt batterys will be greatly welcomed if they every do it

[@josephmerz2666]

i am once again crushed by a makita let down .i was expecting a flat cell battery ,i was expecting a power increase and a smaller size . makita does not seem to be keeping up .

[@YMICrazy502]

boy tried importing a few of these to the states and got blocked by lithium restrictions. these are gonna take forever to make it here IF THEY EVER DO since cxt isn't that popular here. I wish I could have one

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

Shouldn't of been blocked, they are way under restriction output.

[@YMICrazy502]

@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL The courier companies seem to block all lithium batteries in japan regardless of capacity or they don't want to deal with USA custom paperwork. Even if I could locate them in Europe forwarding services like colis expat don't do lithium batteries either. Hopefully Canada gets them eventually or ebay puts em up. There's the last resort option of buying an entire kit since they don't seem to block buying an entire cxt vacuum with charger and 5ah battery. Au websites that sell em don't seem to ship here. Still, I must have one of these to put on the small cxt radio I got for my mom since the 4ah is a bit bulky and this one lasts longer. I will prob end up getting the CL108FDSTW and sideline the meme vac

[@mvevitsis]

It was a mistake when they ditched the barrel style 12v batteries. Now cxt offers no size benefit over 14 or 18v.

[@adamgretzinger963]

totally discounts weight ? form factor...... 12v rachet vs 18v rachet isnt the same pos at all

[@lewis5605]

Like how Milwaukee have done it most people that have 18v have a few 12v things as well

[@riba2233]

current format is so much better and there is a good size and weight difference between cxt and lxt tools

[@riba2233]

it wasn't a mistake at all ;)

[@wearsjorge55]

Its better long term than the barrel design. Unfortunately makita just don't seem to be making the most of the platform

[@georgedavall9449]

Maybe it is P. Y. T. Backwards? 🤔😆😂 ( I’m thinking M. J. ‘S song here? )

[@bocty1]

Have you seen theres gonna be a new lxt trim router? advertised on the uk makita facebook

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

Looks like a budget version.

[@UncleIvan1]

Why is makita so weird? Do they even listen to their customers or there is only certain region that interests them?

[@user-bw5xf3yr3m]

Milwaukee doing what consumers want, MAKITA could careless what we want

[@UncleIvan1]

@@user-bw5xf3yr3m facts

[@lunatiy]

milwaukee m12 5ah ho uses 6 18650's samsung 25r not 21700

[@SophthilifeYT58]

Samsung or other brand?

[@riba2233]

he said it, samsung 50S

[@plunder1956]

Fully charge the 5Ah unit &stick a meter across it, perhaps check voltage under load as you run the battery down. It takes time to retool a production line for a new cell. and they make a LOT of 5Ah 18V cells.

[@cryptodojoau5425]

So, this begs the question.... Hack ya batteries with newer cells?

[@kctyphoon]

Who's Makita?

[@TooltechGermany]

❤❤❤🎉🎉

[@user-ck4ii9mj8i]

Did someone say KFC

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

Say what?

[@liamstokes3964]

Makita are so far behind the competition it’s so annoying

[@TrogdorBurnin8or]

Meanwhile Ryobi's 2024 40V 6AH has grown much larger (too large to fit in their 5 year old mowers), and Ryobi's 2024 18V 6AH has grown much smaller than their 5 year old 18V 6AH. What's the deal?

[@franciscocunhaetavora9132]

12v zzzzz 😅

[@iosonoi.7132]

It’s amazing how overpriced batteries are. The cells are very cheap.

[@donnysanner342]

I'm team red however it would be nice to see Makita make a comeback....

[@mikek2258]

Team reds best for plumbers and dewalts a close 2nd for chippies i rate it as best value. but Makita is top dog for carpenters always has been. They make the best saws in the game,have the best ergonomics, best repair service,best and cheapest quality spare parts, and have the bestmost reliable batteries with voltage protection. When the new 18v gasless framing nailer becomes available to purchase to the public only thing lacking is a battery inverter that can use individual batteries 18 and 40v.

[@powderdescent]

@@mikek2258agreed with the saws. Lack of a framing nailer for so long undercuts your point though. Ya, ya, later this year, yadda yadda. Hopefully it’s a banger.

[@kizzjd9578]

@@mikek2258 100%, my fibro shears shit itself on thursday, took it in about 4pm that day, walked out at 4:10pm with it in my hand, fully fixed under warranty.

[@mikek2258]

@powderdescent been a long time waiting i know lol. Been reviews on the gun already, n it looks like the goods. It's been released in America, so should get a few coming through this yr to aus n nz. The lack of backwards compatability with xgt to LXT is the only problem, i cant see a solution to that problem ever happening though. Other than that its team teal superiority. The regular availability of cheap parts and most repairable tools in the industry is a big tick and not taken into consideration enough imo Compared to most of the others are deemed to hard or not worth fixing resulting in throw away items

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

The Framing nailer HAS NOT been released in the US. A sample of the Non American model has been shown at events. It won't be released for a few more months yet.