Mal & Big Loon Talk The Joe Budden Podcast Breakup (ONLY ORIGINAL INTERVIEW) - Its Up There Podcast

THE JOE BUDDEN PODCAST. FALL OUT .
In this episode of the podcast, Loon and Mal dive deep into the music industry, exposing the dirty secrets and hidden agendas of some of the biggest players in the game. The conversation begins with Mal talking about his recent discussions with Charlamagne and his decision to distance himself from his longtime friend and business partner, Joe Budden.
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As the discussion progresses, Loon and Mal delve into the complex relationships between artists, managers, and labels, with a focus on the issues of stolen money and creative ownership. They also discuss the recent drama between Ice and Ish, exposing some of the behind-the-scenes machinations of the industry.
The conversation takes a personal turn as Mal discusses his shifting loyalties towards Rory in the wake of his falling out with Joe Budden. They also touch on the recent movements and new shows from both Mal and Rory, highlighting the exciting future of their work.
Throughout the episode, Loon and Mal offer their unique perspectives on the music industry, calling out injustices and advocating for a fairer, more transparent system. Also In this episode, Loon and Mal get real about the Joe Budden Podcast break-up and discuss the aftermath of the situation. Mal talks about his relationship with Joe Budden and Charlamagne, while also exposing the network involved in the situation. They also touch on the involvement of Joe's managers, Ish and Ice, and how they played a role in the drama.
Additionally, they speak on Parks' true feelings and betrayal towards them, as well as Ish's knowledge of Joe's lies and deception. They also address the stolen money from Rory and Mal, which Ice unfollowed them over, and the importance of holding people accountable for their actions.
Moreover, they discuss the new shows and movements that they are working on, including Mal's involvement in a new podcast with another former Joe Budden Podcast member.
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00:00:00 Introduction
00:05:00 JOE BUDDEN PODCAST
00:10:00 BEEF WITH JOE BUDDEN AND MAL

[@Dmajor213]

Best Mal interview done to date. Rory and Mal knowing they made major concessions in the deals they signed, like not getting paid from KZbin videos that they’re appearing in, and STILL allegedly getting robbed is sad if true, from a friend at that. I wish them guys nothing but success.

[@hollywood486]

You can tell people who don’t understand this don’t have many friends…

[@Ohh_Is_That_Sooo...]

It's was NEVER 50/50 being brought to the table... This man Joe has an entire industry career and earlier versions of shows but you think they deserve an equal cut for co-host and c-mic??... That's called entitlement smh

[@Dmajor213]

@@Ohh_Is_That_Sooo... what does anything you’re saying have to do with anything I said? If they had an agreement to be paid percentages from specific income and Joe did not do that, then he was cheating them. Having an industry career has nothing to do with any of that. Also agreeing to not be paid a penny from KZbin videos that they appeared in was a huge concession from them.

[@maxmillian1]

I agree with you, but If you never got the accounting and dude owes you money, I'm getting an attorney and mine can talk to yours and we will find out. All this internet talking about being real, be real to your family and get your bread, no fight, no anger.

[@Ohh_Is_That_Sooo...]

@@maxmillian1 EXACTLY, hence there never being a lawsuit. They most likely had people in their ear who didn't know the inner workings so they bit the hand that fed them. 1 thing for sure though if somebody rich owes you money, aren't you goin to get yours? Even logically it doesn't make sense what they are saying.

[@theunbaisedshow6146]

These dudes really done sat and had a whole pod talking about Joe 😂😂 💅🏽

[@itsuptherepodcast]

u mean like he does each week yo get away from here before you are blocked

[@mr.mr.4772]

@@itsuptherepodcast Blocked?

[@khoribaldwin9379]

That’s what podcasts are for dummy😂

[@inoyvst6786]

I wish i had a friend that was so bad at being a friend that they made me a millionaire ❗️

[@FlightDogg_]

Right

[@justmeka_]

I love this side of MAL!!! I wish it could come out more (his straight shooter Libra side) with people like Joe who will switch narratives you have to keep reminding them of the TRUTH!! Joe is trying to seem happy with his new outfits, but Mixy boys chemistry can never be replaced!! great interview.

[@KerkinWayno]

💯💯 that pussy ass politically correct or acting higher than that major successful person isnt going to get it done. You have to hit and ounch them in the mouth. Real will always overcome.. Jada destroyed 50 rap career he was the massive underdog during then. He dominated 50 and made his name house houkd as time went on. Everyone respects Jada till this day.

[@Jp-et3zm]

That can be both ways though. Mal and Rory are moved on and so is joe. Joe and his new team are very happy. Everyone won in the breakup. (But joe still number one)

[@donoc6036]

@@Jp-et3zmand you’re still a eater 😂

[@ermackoresh6282]

@@donoc6036 ong, JBP mid as hell 😂

[@hegeliandianetik2009]

@@ermackoresh6282 And still 10* better than what Rory and Mal doing lmao

[@jdirtdapimp]

Finally after eons of waiting it's finally here #itsup 🔥

[@justimani8715]

I think mal should do more appearances. He's a cool dude.

[@BRANSONHOLLADAY]

Nasty work...but guess who still gonna watch?? ME!!!😂😂😂

[@mrs.g77]

Great interview.🔥🔥🔥🔥 NEW RORY AND MAL are those guys! Much love and respect and more blessings! 🍊💰🍊💰

[@ENES-xt2ob]

GREAT SHOW!!! I really enjoyed listening to you. I love the extra joy and positive power that Jokes added to the show today! Would love more of these Keep winning 💪🏾

[@blackvilliannn5185]

Great host. Salute to you for knowing how to actually talk to your guest and have a real discussion. A lot of Podcasters can't do this.

[@kaanreyiss9171]

Always look forward to these episodes. Never disappointed🔥🔥🔥

[@umitfiindik3048]

Im at work right now and these early drops is most definitely gonna get me through the day

[@AtlLateNight]

What time did it hit 9am or earlier?

[@Brotha_Allen]

1st time on your channel. Great interview. Definitely new subscriber

[@russie.russell]

"Say his name".. Say his name" SAY HIS NAME AND HE APPEARS. I BELEIVE IN JOE HENDRY" 👏👏

[@RedragonReviews]

I love the topics you talk about I just found you yesterday and I'm binging through all your content

[@jackiejackie715]

This is the 1st time I’ve heard of this Loon pod but Imma start checking it out!

[@jibrilbuilder2668]

We appreciate this One

[@kingpoodietv364]

🔥🔥🔥🔥 great interview

[@Blessed1RG]

This was a beautiful Q&A, unbiased, but there is still the other half of the story and then the truth

[@iamiosh]

This was a great watch, got a clear understanding of the situation finally. As a first time viewer I'll be back as long as Loon learns his script by heart lmao.

[@avace917]

I only know about the podcast BECAUSE of KZbin. The four of them including Parks all made the podcast incredible. It actually helped me while healing from a double organ transplant in '18. Sucked watching this fall apart

[@yeayea5851]

You not lying at all 💯 also I'm glad you're still here ! Stay up g

[@avace917]

@@yeayea5851 appreciate you! February 1st will make 6 years, Praise the most high

[@THEEVIBRANTONE]

Man i hope mal & Rory see the successes they deserve.

[@SunniMerlot]

Already do just not from podcasting as much.

[@gel0121]

That Rory and mal podcast ass

[@mr.mr.4772]

Partners share in the expenses of the business. Partners source new business. Partners are involved in payroll to the employees. Partners have access to the business accounts, as well as the books. Rory and Mal weren't involved in the day to day activities of the business, because they weren't Joe's partners.

[@Pesing211]

LEGENDARY! This just became my favorite podcast

[@MixxyGirl]

"The network is literally just his KZbin channel" 💀 This thumbnail is crazy but I'm here for it. 😂

[@Oyunlar52]

Yo this dude is podding on another level

[@justimani8715]

Great Intreview.

[@lawrencebates3281]

Watched this cause I saw Mal. Wasn't aware of this pod or homie at all but imma have to tap in. Dude seems thorough af

[@jibrilbuilder2668]

Same

[@hotlineblingisagoodsong]

I knew if I prayed and just wait the interview would drop

[@itsuptherepodcast]

Thanks for u support fam

[@SticksAandstonesBozo]

I been yelling for months bro. Finally.

[@brickcityjonjon8577]

3:49 Mal gotta keep it 💯 That skit shit 😊was definitely inspired from the JBP skit that they did while him and Rory was there. JBP sauce was all over that.

[@meyremavci]

Pod casting or the art of professional conversation is not as easy as it appears its not just about having a convo with your mans and for loon to do it alone in my view we have no idea how great this dude really is! Im calling it now he will probably be one of the best our culture ever will get! Im locked in every week with ya! #iutp

[@pnarcaran]

ONE OF MY FAVORITE PODCASTS. CONGRATS ON GETTING SIGNED

[@nikkomcdonald3966]

Great interview

[@Shon_G.]

Mal always been a real one. I definitely became a fan of the pod and listened to it consistently once he became a main member.

[@nwagssnwagss3723]

The more I hear Mal open up the more I like this guy. A cool, calm guy but no sucker!!

[@Dharvey3k]

You're easily finessed

[@oluway4545]

@@Dharvey3ktry again mf

[@ZVYWMx]

Once a thief always a thief

[@NoWayJoseGG]

Another interview bout joe omg we get it

[@emrullahmarangoz7493]

Very Underrated pod

[@PeacefulWretch]

This is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@kimberlyrichardson9869]

Great conversation!!

[@TreeSnackz]

Teamwork definitely makes the dream work !

[@EMRE-113]

I love the different takes this podcast be having really refreshing

[@badesultantemurtas28]

Can't wait for next week

[@C00lB0i]

My fav podcast show love its up there

[@jamesmarie]

Mal first episodes on the old pod was out the park. Mal’s takes were wild

[@lovebattlerap3341]

Joe minions in here crazy they don’t know the whole story but calling Mal the liar but joe the one with the track record of messing it up he say it lmao

[@jibrilbuilder2668]

They think and move like Joe

[@flipppa8961]

First time seeing ur pod I checked for mal 💰and this was a great convo dudes a good interviewer

[@nasjones4814]

Joe made a chess move 😂😂

[@jibrilbuilder2668]

Good Interview

[@TheKaykay916]

I live this interview. I don’t believe anyone could bring this out of Mal like this. Well DONE ❤ LOON is Def a GOAT in the making. Joe would never sit with him because he would be able to spin Loon

[@malikroach5306]

He don't gott spin him. The problem was he had 2 friends that he didn't wanna tell he's the boss to and they didn't wanna believe it.

[@kineticsoul7566]

🏋🏼‍♂️🏋🏼‍♂️🏋🏼‍♂️ conversation! I’ma be subscribing to the Patreon shortly! Respect! Peace!

[@acballard]

I was a huge fan of the JBP and I remember when they started talking about the accounting as a joke and I remember saying it was gonna turn into a situation

[@inoyvst6786]

33:53 Mal is really envious. He knew Joe for a long time….he knew broke Joe…..seeing his friend get so much further away than him economically. 34:38 “everything is starting to look like a salary.” Yes mal….you lost a multi million dollar deal and u kept getting paid the money you were getting with the deal…..that means you’re being overpaid because he doesn’t want you to take a loss because the business has taken a loss

[@farrellcityking1]

THANK YOU! Someone that finally gets it.

[@Keystojacque1212]

If it was that black and white why Joe couldn’t just state that to his “FRIENDS!”?

[@DonGuala]

Loon salute to your people analysis skills. It flows great with your interviews. Great conversation I’ve heard the story already but the conversation was different. Keep working 💪🏽

[@SupaNatural28]

48:11 nah Mal that was only after you said The Breakfast Club Was done and they were ancient. I remember all of that.

[@chefrhos9226]

This is one that was in the vault for a min

[@user-is6fg5yg9v]

I just don’t get why so many comments are referring to whether they were employees or not….the main thing is that Joe was withholding a large % of the money that was meant for Rory and Mal and got even more grimey when they asked for the accounting. Why has Joe not sued like he said he would? How come all the new JBP members are ACTUALLY on a salary?

[@biru2638]

When Joe did deals it wasn’t solely based on the worth of the podcast. Rory and Mal can even give an estimate of what was “stolen” because they never knew about the business the actual boss was handling behind the scene

[@triibemod]

The key is how much these “partners” paid for the operation of the podcast??? Profit shares happen after expenses as well if you’re elevating the staff it would also naturally cost more

[@shawnradcliff4255]

If you start a business with a friend were he is the only that put the 50k to start that business but you put your sweat, hours and strength how can it not be 50/50?

[@Kenemw]

Sweat equity means nothing. They played critical roles that were necessary in building. Joe is just a slimy guy based off this situation and track record. R&m should have got things in writing and legal binding agreements but life is a learning process, so I don’t fault them for things they didn’t know.

[@Kenemw]

They probably took 40% and joe remained majority ownership & percentage

[@KingstonHawke]

@@Kenemw It sounds like R&M split 30% after expenses, and Joe was responsible for expenses. The problem with that deal is when you hear about the money coming in, you think you should have more of it. But the person paying expenses is always saying that the left over after expenses is less than you assume. That's why R&M kept demanding to see accounting. But it's also why it's so silly for Mal to act like they were co-owners.

[@jessicadean5654]

@@KingstonHawke great point, cause in a partnership, you don't have to "ask" to "see" anything. It's completely at your disposal.

[@JIGGALANSKY]

After the split I didn’t watch the JBP for almost a year but since I been watching it I like ish and ice better they’re more engaged while still learning on the fly

[@omarlynn2992]

I stopped for 3 or so months. But I agree with you. I tried to rock with Rory and Mal for those 3 months but it just wasn’t the same.

[@Nomadd17]

Facts

[@jh4742]

I think the dynamic between the 3 old were better than the new 3(of course parks was always there and then they added 2 more) but yeah the Rory and mal show is super dope but I just think it’s Joe that is the IT factor . They need someone with more energy . All of these guys (mal, Rory, ish, ice, parks,etc) contribute to the pod but it’s always Joe, who’s goofy personality, who’s vulnerability and sometimes crazy thoughts brings so much to the pod. Nonetheless I still fuck with both pods

[@jaywin9048]

JBP sucks now. It's just not the same as it was.

[@yigitcandalmis2713]

Excellent

[@leesprewell5136]

MAL refuses to take accountability that his business wasn't right. He banked on friendship instead of business. Also if you was partners you would of been signing them checks, paying for audio equipment, I don't think MAL or Rory paid a dime to invest in the business or brand so there for they was employees.

[@nyiem]

If you trust your friend to look out for your best interests on the business end of things, one could say your business isn't right. But if that same friend does you dirty, do they not still hold responsibility for their part in doing you wrong as well? Even with Mal having admitted that he fucked up by trusting that Joe would look out, you still framed this situation as if it's black and white. Mind you, that whole "partner" thing came about over time and they've spoken about that as well. Mal wasn't even fully part of the pod for a while and he only became part of it (full time) because the fans demanded he did. This isn't black and white ; there's nuance.

[@Prez32]

If the paperwork wasn’t right just sue to get your money and stop doing interviews about it. The podcast uplifted y’all to get your own show as well. Glad everyone still doing good after the breakup. I’m still listening to both shows.

[@jaywin9048]

It depends. May not be like an accident or class action lawsuit. They may have to put up money initially to start the case.

[@T2Runner]

Loon got a follow from me. My man did his research and asked proper questions and gave push back.

[@yigitali10ylonce74]

This was a great Episode

[@jibrilbuilder2668]

I haven’t watched a full episode of the JBP since..I watch R&M weekly.

[@inoyvst6786]

You and 40K other people 😂 meanwhile Joe doing 300K a episode lol

[@jibrilbuilder2668]

@@inoyvst6786 which is probably why your comedy is stale

[@gsdelisi1905ghostkiller]

Legendary pod right here.

[@OTWBEN]

The "network" is literally just his KZbin channel 😂😂 gotta love Mal Realness

[@bryton_hawthorne]

41:16 “thats rough to deal with” lol hahaha

[@jigga1216]

Can’t hold you. I remember Joe said he had a talk with Hov and hov said he would never show niggas his accountant. This is when they were shopping around and had talks with Tidal after the Spotify deal. Can’t remember the episode either

[@MrBean617]

Loon, you are great at what you do…

[@jaytayGO]

I like that it wasn’t a dance with the questions and answers

[@harun3617]

This episode was active 👨🏾‍💻

[@muhammedertan2]

He never disappointed his fans

[@jpro7308]

First time listener… I love how neutral and educated on the matter Loon is. Very journalistic, which can be rare in the culture

[@HushMoneyLos]

Facts!

[@querren]

Mannn I remember episode 229 of the podcast where it was supposed to be quote on quote "a safe haven" for the homies to just talk

[@Slowjohnson]

If u never had Ownership in your contract HOW TF ARE YOU NOT AN EMPLOYEE? He said they took a “Humble Percentage” of the money that comes in, no ownership rights ever been said so why tf is this dude still tryna say Joe can’t tell Rory not to come in?

[@juelzadebisi1898]

They were partners & received a percentage of the money. If they were Joe’s employees they would be getting W2s & Joe would have more taxes to pay. I have employees, I give them W2s & I have taxes I have to pay for them. They are paid by the hour & can earn bonuses. I provide health insurance, Joe didn’t because they were partners. The issue was Joe didn’t expect it to take off like it did. Ego got in the way. Plus if you are only an employee you do not pay business expenses, only the owner does that.

[@jamesparker7016]

@@juelzadebisi1898As an employer…can you explain how they can be partners but not own any of the podcast? Seems impossible

[@juelzadebisi1898]

@@jamesparker7016 because the IP & podcast was already established prior to them becoming partners. To get it to the next level they were brought in for content & to help with ongoing business expenses. Their contributions earned them a percentage of the profits to the show. They weren’t paid hourly, their contracts stated they would receive a percentage of the revenue after all business expenses were paid. Employees don’t pay business expenses, they just receive pay for the hours that they work. So if the show didn’t generate profits they wouldn’t earn their percentage. It happens everyday in the business world, someone starts a business & for it to continue to grow instead of going to a bank for loans they bring in partners to invest. Then when the profits come in they get their ROI. Some partners are silent & which they just invest into someone’s business & quietly get their ROI. Mal & Rory not only invested, paid business expenses, but they were talent on the show. The new guys on the Joe Budden Podcast are employees, they get paid for their time but don’t invest financially in the show or sit behind any business expenses. Joe protected himself by writing in the contract that he owns the IP & naming rights, so they couldn’t take that when they left.

[@jldsenior]

How many times him and Rory gonna sit up and say they didn't care, nor ask about the money; they did it to just help out. Then when the money start coming in, now you wanna know where your cut is. If cut a bad deal🤷🏾‍♂️. That's on y'all. It's messed up, but that's business. You learned from it.

[@Mista67]

Park is Loyal gotta respect that

[@kenkooly]

im not trolling. im glad Mal did a really in depth interview about this. #1 for the information so others can be aware in whatever field. #2 hopefully its like therapy for him

[@coolstars4960]

Man Loon has been killing with this podcast and he just continue to push forward killing .. as an Avid watcher/listener it’s kinda good to see so many positive comments . Keep dropping this dope content .. Still #1 Pod out 🗣🗣I said what I said !!

[@rebelutionnetwork]

MAL is a Real one. Respect to him, Dude stand on principals, morals, ethic and honor. Dude authentic.

[@FlyyHigh834]

Damn finally

[@inoyvst6786]

Mal always talking bout “it’s not about money” But this whole thing has been about money 😂

[@ZVYWMx]

It’s about a friend u call a brother lieing and stilling kicking ur back in

[@hegeliandianetik2009]

​@@ZVYWMxthat friend took homies no one knew and made them millionaires

[@whosaidthat9265]

@@hegeliandianetik2009so you think Mal needed the money? He has direct connect via family to anything he could want or need. Tf?

[@ZVYWMx]

@@hegeliandianetik2009 no man can make you a millionaire they can give you millions it takes action to be a millionaire Mal and Rory produced and Joe made back that money 100x

[@ZVYWMx]

@@hegeliandianetik2009 and say he did make them millionaires does that give him the right to do as he pleases? To steal lie try to break you down and for money mal would of given Joe his last dollar u can’t buy or replace that

[@vebiamv169]

This has to be one of the best pods in resent times. NO lie your style can really push the podcasting for blacks.

[@maafekinmen9436]

I wanna see u and Joe Budden sit down

[@jonathanspinks7764]

Loon gonna blow tf up if its up to those who wanna hear what needs to be heard. Loon will get better at being an interviewer. Not saying tht he's bad. But passion makes u interrupt the person being interviewed bc WE need real transparent and vulnerable answers. Salute..

[@marvinmiller8432]

Mal is a real one, peace to both you brothers 💯!

[@queenp8682]

🧢

[@e.m.9497]

Yoo buddy said you hurt 😂😂😂

[@westsidetone5549]

Let that man tell his story

[@Skyvsfate]

Oh shit it's minimum 😂😂

[@jbills64]

Never seen so many ads on a video. Damn

[@itsuptherepodcast]

u could have paid to watch like everyone else

[@jbills64]

@@itsuptherepodcast pay to watch niggas sit down and talk? Naw I'm super good on that bruh.

[@xandermartin2118]

Loon is extremely well informed, he’s bringing up shit I totally forgot about and I’m a fan of the show. Great interview, mal is a stand up guy & I’m glad they are successful, joe is a damn snake smh

[@redxxman3895]

You sound like a clown….just like Loon

[@premiumgas2865]

🔥🔥🔥

[@halfbakedsaint2290]

No matter whose right or whose wrong. Why are we still hearing about this beef. It’s stale asf it’s like two exes who fucking with other people but you can’t let go. Great interview. The best I’ve heard Mal in a long time but let’s hear about what you’re doing today. It’s time to put this to rest.

[@Resul_Edit58]

Yo this podcast is unmatched, I never miss an episode 🆙

[@ShavonneSeven]

Unmatched? Lol

[@sLimeshyt]

Came up since Money Mu interview..mention him in the beginning like when u say lil Baby, MoneyBagg, etc

[@SJ-tx5go]

Is the podcast called The Experience or It's Up There cause I wanna put some ppl on to it, wanna make sure I get it right???

[@itsuptherepodcast]

its up there podcast

[@TheTee103]

Aye champ, all respect due. Why didn’t you ask Mal why he and Rory haven’t taken it to court yet, if they were truly robbed/stolen from? That part is mind boggling to me

[@LowercaseKev]

The only question I wanted answered.

[@HardKnox0052]

Cuz he has a bias he coulda asked a lot of certain questions but probably feared mal would walk out on the interview

[@SunniMerlot]

Some of Joes fam is like his fam it’s not as simple for him as it is for us who don’t know nan one of them

[@cashmoney7414]

Mal said he ain’t wanna go to court

[@jaywin9048]

All of yall always say that, what if the attorneys ask for payment upfront and not defer until after like a class action?? Sometimes it's expensive to sue people.

[@ProDevran]

I love him ...he's so authentic (doesn't care what ppl think) and talented ❤

[@MH-et4bo]

Talented in what?

[@Dharvey3k]

He not authentic. You just get finessed easy lol

[@redxxman3895]

He does care which is why he a clown. He was just doing another podcast speaking against this type of material. Brown bout to be a hoe for clicks. Clown shit. Had mad shade two weeks ago when talking about other black media folks shit stirring and diving in other men’s business that has no effect on his life. Bro a certified goofy.

[@Ijustwant2breakEven]

He held onto this for a minute

[@4sightfilmsLLC]

Salute to Loon when he said “It ain’t meant for me, but it applies to me!” You got my respect and then some. Excellent interview!

[@TlouSebotja]

Mal's contribution was; "That's Crazy"..."Im cut from a different cloth🤧"🤣🤣🤣🤣