Joe Budden Opens Up About Rory & Mal, Drake, Charlamagne + DJ Envy, The JBP, Akademiks + MORE!

0:00 - On this week's episode of the Need to Know Podcast, SaVon, Alex, and Regi are joined by none other than legendary rapper and podcaster Joe Budden
7:32 - How Joe is feeling currently
9:39 - Breaking down the different iterations of The Joe Budden Podcast
22:18 - The “secret” meeting that spelled the beginning of the end of Rory and Mal’s tenure on The JBP
31:01 - Joe’s relationship with Rory and Mal
44:03 - Joe on respecting his friends
59:30 - The current iteration of The JBP with Ish, Ice, QueenzFlip, Melyssa Ford, and Parks
1:14:00 - Complex’s Hip-Hop Media Rankings
1:24:17 - Joe’s history with Charlamagne The God
1:34:37 - Joe explains why he doesn’t place ads on The JBP
1:49:21 - How Joe felt when Charlamagne shouted out the Need to Know Podcast on Brilliant Idiots
1:53:09 - Joe’s history with Drake
2:13:17 - Joe’s feelings on Kai Cenat, Lil Yachty, and the younger generation of content creators
2:17:29 - ‘For All The Dogs’ and Drake’s discography
2:26:23 - DJ Envy and Cesar Pina’s real estate scandal and Joe predicting that it was a Ponzi scheme when Envy called on him to invest years ago
2:30:46 - Joe on DJ Vlad
2:35:43 - Joe on Adam22
2:37:45 - Joe’s relationship with SaVon and Alex
2:46:31 - Joe on Just Blaze leaking Slaughterhouse records from ‘Glass House’
2:48:24 - Joe’s favorite era of R&B and if he'll ever make music again
2:50:50 - Joe on his ‘Ordinary Love S**t’ trilogy
2:53:43 - Joe’s favorite JBP interview and episode
2:54:49 - Joe’s love life
2:56:25 - Toasting to our accomplishments and what’s to come
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[@adetadou]

Wow y'all interviewing Joe Budden is NO easy task especially since he already speaks about his life so much on his own pod. But you guys rose to the occasion tbh.salute gang. He seems relaxed and i aint ever heard him reveal some of these things.. Savon great questions, Alex's pushback is amazing and Regi ur so beatiful lol and loved the intro. Man y'all just won me over 😂

[@mobe1kanobe]

he worked with sayvon 4 yrs joe whole life is pods he should show up and be personable.

[@adetadou]

@@mobe1kanobe he isnt obligated to do any of this lol he CHOSE to which is whats dope

[@youngsm06]

You dikkk eating lol

[@LTRiiken]

@@adetadou doesnt change the fact that if he didnt WORK for him Joe wouldnt be caught dead on this podcast. It is a EASY task considering the facts

[@sidnickels]

I came to know Savon through Joe, Mal, & Rory. I appreciate this discussion as I believe it’s one of the best this year. Salute to The Need to Know podcast. Would love to see you bring Rory & Mal on as well. Salute my G👌🏾

[@thebidfamlilnene1931]

Savon’s relationship with Joe and personal knowledge of things kinda makes Joe have to be more open and honest than he’s ever been on any other podcast great job need to know

[@DjDeuxDeux]

Agreed, plus I like how Joe actually ANSWERED a question outright vs his semantic dances

[@prymetyme501]

⁠@@DjDeuxDeuxI agree with you on that 100%. That why people who are familiar with word don’t let that shit slide. See the Tax interview

[@fiveduece52]

He wasn't honest and they didn't press it especially Rory and Mal topic

[@justyngrant9325]

I disagree

[@thebidfamlilnene1931]

Joe doesn’t even answer questions about Rory and Mal on other platforms so I think this was as gd as it gets

[@whatsthedirt]

It’s easy to see that Joe respects your team. He’s not known for really giving much up during outside interviews. This is my favourite Joe interview to date. He didn’t hold back at all 🔥

[@MrSpicabooo]

Cause it aint really outside savon worked for/with whatever you wanna call it, for yrs.

[@XiomaraThaGoddessMeow]

The only person Joe didn’t know was Regi lol

[@NotebookLives]

Joe is far more transparent when the hosts aren’t searching for some salacious information. This is all about honest, transparent conversation; and as an adult, that is what I enjoy.

[@JOHNNYCRAFT79]

Well said!

[@bostonsown8195]

Super Important as a Host

[@IHOOP415]

Great episode. Three things I learned… 1. Savon is really good at this. 2. Joe and Rory really went to therapy together???? I always thought they were joking about that. I think that's cool. 3. Joe, Rory and Mal created something super special by just sitting down twice a week and talking to one another. And it all ended because they simply couldn’t/didn't sit down and talk to one another.

[@DezmondBroadway]

That third one is wild but soo true.

[@civilenggggg]

That 3rd point you made didnt sit right w me. I dont enjoy either of their podcasts anymore and just wanted to hear real friends joke n talk shit

[@Copedawg_340]

#3 😮‍💨💯

[@e.l.1986]

I see what you did with that 3rd one 👌🎯

[@frenchiebaby]

​@@civilengggggThat NRM is basura, for sure. It's unfortunate. I tried to like it for a year. It's just.. not good.

[@enigmatowles]

It’s really good seeing Joe Budden going to The Need to Know podcast. It shows level and proves that Joe has been in support of them the whole time. He was very comfortable during this discussion. The chemistry between Joe and Savon is amazing. This CANNOT be Joe’s last visit.

[@PewPewShootEmUp]

Honestly with how much Joe used to mention them and make jokes with his pod name it was always promo when u think about it

[@990v6]

joe respects savon joe respects combat jack and you see it in both those podcats interviews

[@user-mv2jv3gz4g]

Artifacts

[@mxfilms9738]

Joe has mentioned them on the podcast so many times over the years.

[@stephanodavis1126]

Yall must really think Joe dirty as hell.. It's crazy to think that THIS proves anything. Nigga helped them and introduced them to people who set the whole shit up in the first place.

[@lainalove6149]

No lie, the end of the pod made me shed a tear. These guys are literally students of watching Joe, and to witness them in real time give each other there flowers, just beautiful!

[@kavid8120]

they haven’t accomplished shxt yet. They got fancy equipment and just talking. They still got tons of work to do tbh cause nowadays anyone can start a Pod. The hard part is actually taking it somewhere and becoming successful. Then you can give out flowers after seeing the rewards

[@lainalove6149]

@@kavid8120 Ok.

[@RennLea]

​@@lainalove6149😅😂 You are just like me, we ain't going back and forth I just say... Ok🤷🏿‍♀️. I loved everything you said in your initial statement. I know Joe appreciates those guys and their honesty and like you said giving him his flowers now while also being very honest.

[@lainalove6149]

@@RennLea That persons comment was just ridiculous. These guys are successful. They pivoted from working for someone else podcast to doing their own, with credible guest on top of doing other things that align with there profession. That is amazing. Joe, sharing with them the love that he has for them and seeing them grow from where they started with him, was just so heartwarming for me. I absolutely agree with you.

[@Liyum918]

@@lainalove6149you’re absolutely right,Savon is his protege and this episode he gave them a boost and well needed knowledge

[@legendtm397]

When the teacher gets to watch his students grow, i imagine this pod to feel special to both parties. You can even see them utilize the elements they picked up from Joe but in their own unique way. An unguarded Joe is rare af! Need to know really gave us something special with this one

[@jayc7639]

Love this ep. Joe is never this talkative and open with other interviewers

[@KingJuice215]

Yea. Had to turn off his rap radar interview & I now noticed I Neva returned 30 mins in cuz it was so cookie cutter

[@jayc7639]

@@KingJuice215 literally the same lmao

[@DEEVIL]

@@KingJuice215 Even when he was on Math's shit. He was saying a lot but not saying nothing.

[@jodayojojo]

Joe is grounded. I'm glad he's picky with these interviews. This was raw

[@bbslim710]

I started watching the JBP in phase 3, the Golden Era. Alex and Savon was such an intricate part of that of experience. I felt nostalgic seeing this especially since we’ll probably never see R&M onscreen with Joe again. Hands down the best Joe interview to date 👏. Excellent excellent.

[@BackwoodTV_]

Damn I started after the shit with migos 😂. Dirty white beater Joe was in effect still

[@stallionnation1537]

Damn i was there in phase 2 when joe started to take shots at drake 😂😂😂

[@activistbook3809]

I feel like phase 2 with everyday struggle was the best

[@Sub2ImVizual]

Easily the best Joe interview. Y’all handled it with class without toning it down due to your personal relationships. Hold this sub 🔥

[@emordi1362]

I agree 💯

[@talltayls21]

Lol, hold this sub is dope. Im using that shit 😂

[@joncosmomusic]

On gawd. New sub gang

[@tre1geo]

pod narratives are genius. they're like running bits/inside jokes and everyone wants to be in on the joke. pretty strong tactic for growing and maintaining a podcast audience

[@almightylee8529]

Savon is a pure protege of Joe . Hes gonna blow up.. good pod everyone

[@kareemjamal6645]

To hear Savon’s name for so many years then Joe coming through to support the podcast. Beautiful moment and display of how to pass the baton and support those that support you ❤❤

[@saauceclips5137]

Full circle moment fr, Joe is how I found the Need to Know Podcast. So proud of all ya'll. This episode was a banger

[@mixesandmeats01]

Amazing episode. Kudos to the cast man, you guys brought the best out of Joe. You didn’t hold back asking the questions. Man I’m so happy that you guys keep growing and getting better everyday. 🎉❤

[@EddieMcKnight]

This is the best JB interview so far. Actual conversation. Great storytelling here SaVon and team. You knocked this one out the park. We have all seen Joe on other platforms and they didn't accomplish anything near this. Salute!

[@nahhhbruhhh]

Super impressed by the way Savon asked these questions. Very smooth interviewers

[@veritas30001ify]

Joe don’t get enough flowers on his music. It’s masterful storytelling delivered with heavy bars laid over beautiful instrumentals. A lot of artists can’t ever get to that level of craftsmanship when trying to execute exactly what hes trying to say.

[@Ace_4k]

Joooooeeeey! I love this reunion y'all. Savon has come such a long way as an A-mic. Perfect start to my Monday morning! Air horns 📢📢📢

[@BoogaluGambit]

Hands down Joe’s BEST interview. You can tell it’s genuine love

[@gailrogers5750]

This was a GREAT Episode. It felt like old times with new energy (Reggie❤). Great pod Fam💜💜💜

[@jbw8907]

I was already a fan of y’all podcast, but this makes me happy to see Joe up here with yall. NEED 2 KNOW podcast going up 🔥

[@binj.4565]

This was soooo good...y'all not held back at all...big props to the 3 of u....sky is the limit for this crew!!!!!!❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@shedrickturner7758]

This was a great interview, this is how you supposed to conduct a very interesting and informative conversation. 💯💯

[@Mac_Raymond]

Soon as I heard Parks was in the meeting I knew Parks was the one who told

[@christiandiaz4756]

Haven’t listened to this pod since the R&M podcast era. Yo @Savon, you’ve grown leaps and bounds brother. Legit talented at communicating clearly and direct. The work shows. Well done brother.

[@funkyfreshkid08]

This the most open joe has been when being interviewed. No short answers. Not defensive. Joe was real. Love it.

[@gunnyo50]

It's BC the dudes he's being interviewed with know him personally as they used to work for him as they all grind together building his podcast. Joe can let some of his guards down and be a little more open with them. Joe has always been guarded and standoffish like a lot of ppl when interacting with ppl they don't know that well, that's not the case here.

[@juicevaughn7484]

YALL BODIED THAT!!! Great interview, no safe questions or vague answers, great laughs!!

[@M.Ray95]

You should get Rory and mal on next. 🎉

[@FleeGunnaRiich]

Facts I said the same. I wanna see their rebuttals. They deff lied on Joe or just had shi misconstrued.

[@matthewsheko5657]

How you know they lied

[@mluv79]

I think people just view things differently. Can be in same room But see two different things.

[@dshorter3253]

no i feel like right before the holidays before the industry shut down for the year

[@MamiRitta89]

This episode was GOLD! Every single one of you with a mic, delivered! Thank you! 🫡

[@nonamenoidea9792]

I didn’t even know I could see such a sweet and heartwarming side of Joe. The love and trust y’all have is deep and genuine. Savon and Alex, such deep, interesting questions. And Regi, you’re a queen ❤❤. Thank you for this! Very enjoyable. Subscribed.

[@bfinch1980]

Best podcast for all the news that's poppin in these streetz, Joe spoke on all the questions the public wants to know! Great job Team! 💯💯💯💯💯💯 Keep this energy going! 👆

[@nik0Tesla]

Best interview Joe has ever done that is not his own or his podcast! Normally I run away from any interview where Joe is being interviewed, but this was sooo good and organic!!

[@nzuix]

Keep running buddy.......

[@nik0Tesla]

@@nzuix Uhhh…Okay? Lol

[@MrFreez718]

Great pod shout out to The Need to Know gang for giving Joe his flowers. Definitely a full circle moment salute 🫡

[@nofreehooks]

Y’all picked the perfect timing to get Joe on the pod. I feel like he’s at a much better space than ever to have this convo. Savon and A also played it perfectly. Good cop bad cop!

[@OlvrGreen]

Y'all did very well in this interview asking all of the questions we all wanted to know

[@WizCiva]

Yo it’s like I’m watching my friends winning and I’m part of it. Wow I’m happy for you guys. Joe did it ❤

[@tdagoat3400]

This was the joe budden interview that was needed

[@emordi1362]

Dope episode. Really enjoyed this. Glad some people that know Joe well were able to give him his flowers. Salute to Savon. Reggie and Alex.

[@bsandmg]

This is Joes best interview about the situation yet, great job it did take the insiders to get the real and folks that were there- Definitely A Need to Know CLassic

[@davidmac7916]

I been watching you guys for a while now and EXCELLENT POD YALL! So proud of y’all three. Everyone knew their spots! Letsgoooooooo

[@AnonymousOrb718]

I've caught a couple episode of this pod. One thing I've noticed is how thoughtful the questions are for interviewers. Love it.

[@ZVYWMx]

Biggest line “I WANT TO KEEP MY MONEY” 😂😭

[@tianabee1808]

Just from the timestamps alone I can tell this will be great🔥🔥

[@jaysonebryant]

Great content and vibes. I was aware of this podcast but never took the time to check it out. Because of this episode, I have become a fan I.e subscriber !

[@benji_san]

this felt good, well done!

[@d2dadawg68]

That was a dope intro by shorty

[@VyCityMusic]

Hands down best interview Joe has given . Which lets me know , even when Joe is being interviewed he’s in control of the feel of the interview . And he can make it bad whenever he feels like it . Him having a rapport with the guys is key . He did a great job of being candid ! Salute 🫡

[@dkmrap1]

*rapport

[@VyCityMusic]

@@dkmrap1 thank you sir ! 🙏🏿

[@JMan5123]

Aye, I watched this all the way through. Great pod. Salute to Savon and Alex -Friend of the Show

[@aderonkeadegbite]

this was really great lol Probably my fave Joe interview. Good energy, good questions, flowed well. Giving flowers, love it

[@PoweredByNewGenn]

Impressive to witness the growth in Savon and Alex. The dialogue was enlightening, tackling a range of issues freelancers face-from relationships to collaboration among friends, to broader career development. Shout out to the NTK team. -Kwame Blue

[@johnrafferty7972]

This was really enjoyable well done lads and lady! Ive been watching the JBP since the Views take and it took me an hour into this to realize that was Savon the don! Never even knew he had his own pod! I look forward to watching more of this need to know pod guys! Well done! All 3 of yall done a fucking fantastic job! Salute from Ireland ☘

[@chad-jamierigaud3033]

outstanding, well curated interview that made us gain a new perspective of Joe. Grateful!

[@meresofresh84]

Savon got the “Response” we waited for

[@kohfu__smoov]

couldnt agree more fam i am just lowkey proud af cause the same people fell in love with the OG iteration of JBP cause of the chemistry and the friendship and feeling in the friend group i eventually got the same energy from NTK only it was my age group so it felt more relatable and why i stayed after being introduced through Joe so to see the teacher acknowledge the student at this point and in this way after so long is beautiful major salute guys

[@Ellew9837]

When I say this was one Of the best Joe interviews👏🏽The Joevengers should appreciate how Savon did his big one with the follow up questions.

[@thebidfamlilnene1931]

Can’t wait for this to drop 🔥🔥

[@atravis1]

Only time I will honestly watch this pod all the way through 😅…great job guys and gal!!!!

[@cuyadawson5440]

Great interview Savon, was engaging, nobody stepping on each other and the Drake history was major context added…I see the growth ✊🏾

[@ohhkennedits]

This podcast feels like closure and I love it. 💕

[@kingjoe6]

I've been a big joe fan for a very long time, and this interview was special. The full circle was dope to see. I can't wait for part 2 when he comes back salute to ya.

[@nzuix]

Same here. I am just a big fan, and he inspires me every day. Keep up the good work Joe.

[@rogerwilliams3739]

That Joe Budden stimulus pack is crazy lol. Y’all doing numbers in this one. Great Interview.

[@yungcino]

you could see the excitement in Savon's face... dope interview !!!!

[@WatchClyde]

Joe's a pro at podcasting...he knows how to answer questions and correct assumptions about himself .

[@Andreaswarren]

This was an amazing interview Squad. Thank you

[@sm44july]

great convo, been listenin to the pod since around the early JBP 100s episodes, so it's full circle to be hearing yall 6-7 years later

[@marlenyveronica1477]

First time watching “Need to know podcast” and I have to say I’m in love. Idk if it’s because I’m a long time Joe budden fan that I genuinely enjoyed this interview or the fact that everyone in this interview respected each other and it reflected.

[@braison2523]

Very good episode! Joe doesn't give it up like this as a guest on other podcasts. It makes sense that he does with them, maybe cause he's so comfortable with them

[@Pa1magram]

Amazing podcast fellas! New to your podcast! I’m a fan now! 🎉🎉

[@adisalekuwa8004]

This is the most open I have seen Joe be of the JBP! Well done team 🫡

[@whiteshadow666777]

this is my first time watching savon's pod and I had to give credit, him and his team bodied this. The flow of conversation, challenging joe and the great questions was great to watch. I think I might keep tuning in if this is a common occurrence.

[@galedribble9535]

Same. I’ve been subscribed to this pod but never watched…I also stopped watching Joe and never watched R&M So watching this helped me put some context to certain things. Especially since we probably won’t see Joe and R&M chopping it up any time soon

[@nexgodmusicentertainment6323]

Thanks for not putting this behind a paywall 🔥🔥🔥

[@MAWDiddy_803]

Really good episode!!! Whole cast did an amazing job.

[@tazbar6484]

Oooh nice to actually see who Savon and Alex are😮😂 Big up Regi too!! I'm deffo coming back here to listen to these guys podcast 🙌🏾 Shout out to the Podfather 💯❤️

[@brianscruggs8174]

I’m late on the episode, but man! SaVon showed great skill not only in the questions asked but the way in which they were crafted & positioned. The end result being an in depth look into Joe’s genius from both a business/strategic angle as well as his self- reflection and awareness. I came away from the convo feeling like we know so much more about the man… Bottom line, best interview of JB that I’ve seen. Great job and content SaVon, Alex & Regi! In a sea of podcasts y’all are well on the way to separating yourselves from the pack🔥🔥🔥 New subscriber secured💯

[@meganklobchar7014]

You guys got a damn good interview with Joe. He is never willing to talk on other peoples podcast. He never answers questions he talks around it... This is the best Joe interview i have every seen... Great job 👏👏👍🏻

[@waynesmiley2207]

Nice to see the pod getting all this love, been long overdue. Salute!

[@KingOfKings__]

This was an amazing episode. New subscriber

[@obedofficial.]

Yall really becoming my new favorite podcast. The JBP on their last pod talked about how entertainers like Jay + Puff lose their touch to the streets or at least ‘common folk’ and i think Joe’s pod has too. So it’s refreshing to see and listen to pod that still is very relatable.

[@raisondetra5652]

Is it possible for you to give props to this pod without kicking the JBP's back in?

[@obedofficial.]

@@raisondetra5652 you’re too sensitive

[@raisondetra5652]

@@obedofficial. 😂

[@jonathancortez195]

Best Joe Budden interview!! God bless

[@ZaidaD29]

This was greattttt interview! Salute to the cast 🥂🎉

[@shermandent863]

Great episode one of the best thus far💯

[@SergMilli]

The way Joe responds to any conversation about Rory and Mal further cements for me the idea that dealing with him is a headache. You can tell Alex and Savon pussyfoot around trying to get Joe to see where he went wrong but Joe is headstrong,

[@thebidfamlilnene1931]

I disagree I think Alex and Savon stood tall and held Joe feet to the fire and got him to give the most open and honest answer we have heard from him to date on this topic.. I think it was a job well done by the the need to know crew

[@SergMilli]

@@thebidfamlilnene1931 It could have been the most open and honest answer but it was still not addressing Joe's mentality and accountability for his multitude of failed relationships in a real way but I guess that wasn't the point of this podcast.

[@justyngrant9325]

@@SergMilliyou’re talking like you know them, any of them, reflect on that

[@SergMilli]

@@justyngrant9325 Huh? I'm talking like I know who they are on the show and how they interact with one another their. Obviously I don't know them in real life. I don't see what this has to do with my comment.

[@shadthagod8033]

I’ve been waiting on this interview shoutout Savon, Alex, Reggie

[@Bayn_Lawrence]

Yall bodied this interview. Congratulations 👏

[@ycthedon1]

Earned a subscriber with this one. Great Interview. Matter fact this is a #CLASSIC ONE🫡🫡💪🏽💯

[@schellsc]

This was a great interview!

[@brookebeezy5316]

Great job! This was such a great interview. Well done.

[@Topdiketv]

A great podcast ! I’m glad yall asked the real questions and ain’t let Joe just sweet talk yall out of the hard questions. Salute to the pod 🔥🔥🔥

[@bushellmediainc3700]

I can’t wait to hear the response to this interview

[@vin5804]

Joe be smoking these interviews. Rare for me to tune in for a whole set.

[@elleceleste7104]

Keep up the great work guys!!! This was a really good interview

[@bigboy0494]

So many jewels in this interview y’all killed that🔥

[@kb4life549]

This is my first time watching need to know and you can tell Savon learned a lot from being on the jbp. I didn’t know he spoke this well and also smart in terms of not letting Joe get him off the subject. The other guy sometimes can get deterred and miss the entire point. But Savon can match Joe’s wit. Props to Savon.

[@theoryis4236]

Big facts! This is how you properly spin off 🤌🏾

[@MixxyGirl]

Okay Regi nailed the Joe introduction. Savon was so sincere when he asked Joe how he is doing. This is gonna be a good pod.

[@corvinewimber7062]

This was a great episode congrats fellas

[@sherwaine5892]

This is some great content. Such a full circle moment

[@diddy2612]

I’m trying to figure out why Savon was responsible for calling mal’s uber. Joe was right, mal is lazy lol

[@bigswint9314]

Aye I'm like why he calling Ubers for another grown person.. lol maybe mal didn't have it in his phone 🤔🤔🤔🤔 lol

[@diddy2612]

@@bigswint9314 it takes 2 secs to download that app lol. Being responsible for another grown man’s transportation is crazy lol. When savon said mal told him he’s ready to go. I’m like nigga what lol

[@mobe1kanobe]

maybe hea aint trust putting his info in the app....i can see him being that kinda person. the type to say 'ill give you the money just call it up for me."@@diddy2612

[@farrellcityking1]

More than likely due to Savon handling the funds that it would take to pay the Uber person. Yeah, no way is Mal gonna pay for his own Uber. He’s leaving that up to the business account. (then wonders why Joe didn’t want to give them a piece of the business. They let him do all the heavy lifting financially and always wanted more)

[@humblebragger500]

​@farrellcityking1 they didnt want more they wanted what was owed. It didnt take a genius to know joe was cooking the books.