Malcolm Gladwell: The Art of Self-Reinvention

Longevity and mastery over any creative profession require relentless passion, conscious steps to continually reinvent your swing, and a seriousness of purpose, which results from profound self-reflection and introspection.
World-renowned journalist and writer Malcolm Gladwell joins me to dig deep into building an everlasting career as a creative and what it takes to pursue it.
Malcolm is the author of five New York Times bestsellers - The Tipping Point, Blink, Outliers, What the Dog Saw, and David and Goliath: Underdogs, Misfits and the Art of Battling Giants and the Founder of Pushkin Industries, which explore all forms of audio art. He also hosts the Revisionist History podcast, which re-examines events, ideas, people, and objects from our past-and explains how they create our present.
In his upcoming intimate audio biography titled Miracle and Wonder, Malcolm collaborates with the legendary songwriter Paul Simon to explore lessons from the artist's life and career. Recorded over a series of 30 hours of conversation with Simon and the Broken Record podcast co-host Bruce Headlam, the audiobook reflects Simon's inimitably gifted artistic bent and what it took for him to tap into it.
Here are some things you'll discover in this episode:
* How to build the confidence to construct your intellectual life the way you want to
* How to overcome the "professed" to make way for the "practical."
* Why creativity and craft knows no physical or geographical boundaries
* Why you need to be constantly evolving to build an evergreen career
* Why relentless perfectionism is key to creating intentional content
* Why you need to archive your experiences and lessons from the past to be inimitable at your craft
* The timeless worth of self-reflection: how to develop the willingness to be reflective about your life experiences
* Why you need to connect with your work on a more-than-objective level
Enjoy!
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Chase Jarvis is well known as a visionary photographer, fine artist and entrepreneur. Chase is cited as one of the most influential photographers of the past decade. As an entrepreneur, Chase created Best Camera - the world's first mobile photo app to share images direct to social networks - sparking the global photo sharing craze. He is currently the founder & CEO of CreativeLive, the world's largest live-streaming online education company, having delivered more than a billion minutes of free live education worldwide.

[@sustomusickillsyoutube]

valuable, but with a misleading title; should have been labelled as a rambling discussion.

[@AnnaMishel]

You introduce your show with an expression of CONTEMPT/SCORN.

[@laurenpennywell9041]

I can’t believe I’m just now finding this! Love you both so much and has to come here and comment before I’m even finished. You are two of my favorite teachers. I appreciate you both more than I can say🙏

[@odbt1071]

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[@bookswithatwist-vanvelzerp9262]

Chase talks too much - he asks a question and then spends a TON of time explaining his very simple clear question - eating up time from his guest :( However Chase has a positive energy and so I look forward to watching more and seeing his interviewing skills improve

[@KidFreshie]

Came here to say that. I had to turn it off at around 14 min where he'd spent about 10 minutes rambling. Why even have a guest if all you want to do is hear yourself talk?

[@KidFreshie]

Gladwell’s reason for not attending lecture makes no sense. He’s literally just one more source of information. Why is his or her information unworthy of your attention but you’ll gladly go to the library and get that same information in a book?

[@jonnyonthespa5153]

prescient or poignant?

[@KidFreshie]

Exactly. The podcaster clearly trying desperately to use bigger words to appear more intelligent but doesn’t understand them. Total amateur hour and super cringe and embarrassing.

[@TERRENCEJJR]

Move to any point in this video and the host will be speaking. Why bother having a guest?

[@KidFreshie]

Exactly. Absolutely unlistenable.

[@cartersmith7628]

I really enjoyed this interview. Very well done.

[@anneflanagan9242]

Welcome Malcolm.. Definitely a favourite in my books!

[@ChaseJarvis]

Same 😎

[@sarahdraughon8162]

I would love to hear how Malcolm approaches storytelling and how it’s changed over the years.

[@danefisher6114]

🙏❤️

[@abrahamjenkins1907]

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[@kathym.5676]

Just stumbled upon your interview as I’m a huge fan of Malcolm Gladwell’s work and the topic of self reinvention. You did a fine job with this interview as you let Malcolm muse on and discover things about the genius process throughout the interview. It was an interesting conversation, juxtaposing Paul Simon’s and Malcolm’s work. Well done. I listened to the RH podcast about Miracle and Wonder- definitely going to buy the book. Thank you from a new subscriber.

[@screaminginside]

The host's style is uhh... umm.. one of those... uh hard to tolerate kind of.. uhhh... you know.. uh.. insufferable.

[@KidFreshie]

Exactly. Unlistenable,

[@dianhamilton9953]

I truly admire Malcolm's work and find it very applicable and relatable! Most importantly, his mom is Jamaican like myself!

[@arturogomeztagle9250]

Dude. No matter where I am in life. MG is always there to shine that northern starlight on me. Ty

[@angelasingletary4581]

Thank you for the introduction to Paul Simon/ Through the eye(ear) of Malcom Gladwell. I heard the podcast today ad bought the book on audible and LOVED IT!! LOVED IT!!!.

[@CHANDANSINGH-qd8vc]

how to buy book on audible.. i am from india

[@SidewaysY]

@@CHANDANSINGH-qd8vc Audible is an Amazon company. I think Amazon is also in India, but I do not know if Audible is. Audible.com is a membership where the books are read into a recording. If you want the book like a regular book on paper, you can try Amazon. If you want to read it yourself on the computer, the Kindle version is usually cheaper than other versions.

[@sarahdraughon8162]

The power of intentional reflection. Thank you.

[@faunfoto1]

The only form of reflection has to be intentional; otherwise it wouldn't be reflection. It would be uncritical acceptance.

[@KidFreshie]

Lol “No serious writer EVER says it just poured out of them.” Kerouac, Fleming, Faulkner, Dickens, Burgess were not serious writers I guess. Love Gladwell but he’s such a massive clown sometimes.

[@theasdguy]

You are a really good interviewer. I just discovered you after you did the Gary Vee interview. But I think this is maybe my new favorite podcast. Keep up the good work. I feel like I can learn so much from you Mr. Jarvis.

[@ChaseJarvis]

♥️ appreciate you!

[@garybernstein7142]

I loved hearing him at 34:00 self-editing his grammar as he spoke in real time. It shows a lot of his internal machinations regarding excellence and detail. This, just after he spoke eloquently about how much editing goes into great writing. I got a lot out of this interview that I can apply to my own approach to my work.

[@gracewoodard9134]

"Bruce and me" was correct as he corrected it, but he back tracked and them made "Bruce and I" the subject rather than the object of the sentence.

[@cory99998]

34:45 I think this memory partly comes from having a more sophisticated internal language to understand the medium through. You see work in your creative field as a series of intertwined systems and it's much easier to recall how those things connect together when you intuitively already understand how it should logically work. For example if you have the color understanding and vocabulary for the color 'mint', you can more easily remember that something was mint and not just a shade of green. And maybe because you understand what colors pair best with mint, you can remember the exact shade of the thing next to it. Not a perfect analogy but I think it pretty well sums up my point. Remembering something from your past, if you can remember bits and pieces of it and how it made you feel, you can better remember the nuanced details around it because you understand how the systems should intertwine. Not to say it's easy to do or that all of us are perfectly accurate, but I think that's sorta what happens when we do this. While it's definitely impressive, I think it's less mystical / untouchable than it might sound. Ultimately having a sophisticated vocabulary helps you see things more clearly. From Paul Simon, to Ron Howard, to Lebron James, to a chess grandmaster- they've all developed very strong mental frameworks around their fields and can much more efficiently comprehend and recall information because the memorization that's happening is the opposite of memorizing raw data which is what happens when we dont understand what we're experiencing at all. When a chess grandmaster recalls a game that occurred 15 years ago, they aren't brute force remembering the position of every piece on every tile in a snapshot like how a computer remembers things, they're essentially recalling a system of moves and intentions. A few simple elements can imply a world of meaning. I mean they're also absolutely brilliant so they do this exceptionally well and it's very impressive nonetheless. I didn't have this for my craft early on and it was a process of spending many years with it deliberately learning and applying everything I could to get my "10k hours" in. If you feel like this is unobtainable, just start and in 5-10 years you'll be surprised at what you can accomplish.

[@briceidabanks4284]

As a 15-year-elementary-school-teacher, this sophisticated internal language I’ve observed in my underprivileged students is simply hyper intuition often overcompensating for other fallacies (internal or otherwise). Strong mental frameworks are systems developed by survivors of (fill in the blank). My fallacy is I knew I had this all along, just didn’t know it could be applied to craft, only thought it was a survival mechanism. Great points.

[@angelasingletary4581]

Yes, I listened to the whole Audio Version same day.

[@ChaseJarvis]

Yes! Glad you dove in. It's really a masterpiece. I loved it as well.

[@soulcostume6756]

I had a hard time picking the conclusions from the first few questions. But that's just the way (style) of master storytellers. They take a longer time to unfold their wisdom. Worth waiting!⭐ Malcolm explained mastery in art as only a portion of us see it as. It's real craftsmanship. I'm going back and forth to my poems, and it's not perfectionism. It's trying to understand my own messaging to the world. This word over that one and the play goes on... The problem is, when you put it out there (LinkedIn) and you are far from "famous" or with a big following, people (big names) steal. So I'm going for audio soon on my website. And I'm glad that Malcolm is considering it as a writer. Audio brings the sensibility, the feeling and, connectedness, the energy, the vibrancy. Audio is not SEO friendly, for marketer's sake. It rather connects to the quality audience. Thank you Chase for suiting conversations and down-to-earth attitude. Sun from the Mediterranean🌞 Jana (Yana)

[@faunfoto1]

Another KZbin celebrity, who, because the level of discourse on KZbin is so vapid, ends up thinking he thinks.

[@cory99998]

Just stumbled on this and am so glad I did. It really speaks to me

[@VirtualTourPhotographer]

Chase... you're getting expensive! I'm going to run out of audiobook credits if you keep this up!!! The timing of this is fabulous as I'm just going down the path of engineering audiobooks (2 done and another about to start soon) and I don't want same-old-same-old either. You can close your eyes but you can't close your ears - so making sure creativity in sound is done well, means attention at a simpler level, especially in listening to a voice. Thanks again!

[@ChaseJarvis]

Nice, what books can I listen to your audio engineering in?

[@VirtualTourPhotographer]

@@ChaseJarvis Le me know where I can send you a sample. We’re still looking for a publishing house that sells from Australia to audible. Audible doesn’t allow self publishing for Australians (ACX isn’t set up for business here… go figure!)

[@ChaseJarvis]

Can you send me a DM on IG? @chasejarvis

[@GalwayGamer]

I came here for Malcolm Gladwell but this interviewer is God awful

[@KidFreshie]

Totally agree. I couldn't finish it. Likes to hear himself talk. Thinks his thoughts are more important than his guest.

[@jwvandegronden]

@ 43:56 I haven't heard once the word inspired. All these people at the top of their game didn't HAVE to do the work, they wanted and needed to do the work. They needed it from within. And they found a way to tap into that source of energy even when it was tough going. A visceral longing to do whatever it is they do! I realize that now, writing my book, the revisions, the perfectionism in what is put to paper, the hours I spent in reading, checking, fact checking, discovering topics, doing the hundreds of deep dives... If I would not be into writing that sounds like a freaking hell hole to be tied up in, chores to wrestle through against healthier judgment how to spent my precios time. But for me, this is IT! I love this, and I'm good at it, and I have stumbled and caught myself. All adding up to a fulfilling endeavor I would repeat in a heartbeat! I love the learning from others, and as an ADHD person it is sometimes very hard to get myself in gear, and stay focused when the well feels dried up. But I have learned that just by continuing, recognizing the pages you write in this limbo are possibly for nought other than to get the juices flowing, are well worth the effort and investment. Finding that intrinsic motivation, which only happens when you find any of your talents and joys, recognizing it as such knowing you have more than one of these talents, you go. And it is not said I will be a NYT bestseller, but I am a writer. Passionate about my work, the topics and I do have a vision what I want to achieve with that book. Other than that, sorry for the rant, great inspiring interview! Thanks so much.

[@theory.neutral7426]

How does this not have 200k views?

[@ChaseJarvis]

Agreed 😜

[@KidFreshie]

Because the host is absolutely cringe and unlistenable. He literally talks through most of this and it’s all nonsensical labored rambling. Had to turn it off.

[@mikexr6mike]

Great

[@ChaseJarvis]

Thx for tuning in 🙌🏼

[@DonFanningThe]

I think that "internalization" comes from "experienced" makers/creators/doers of how people can use the multiple skills they are proficiently 'mastered' over ten thousand hours (or less depending on the number of tasks one needs to learn that make up a given skill). Many of us will be in a meeting where we're called upon to be the "Subject Matter Expert" and people give you a problem that is well within one's wheelhouse and they tear apart the ask to understand how it works. Or they mock it up in their mind as often you're just repeating the same tasks repeatedly. That repetition with the tools and the skill itself whether it be sculpting, music or software development is what allows us to be recognized for the successes we have in life. The trick is being able to shift pieces of the experiences and skills you pick up into new ventures. But if you talk to any entrepreneur, it's all about having multiple channels of income - preferably requiring passive future effort from you, so that you can go on to make another channel of income or enjoy your spoils. Don't forget Alec Baldwin in "Glenn Gary, Glenn Ross" - always be closing, else it's either the steak knives or the unemployment line. :)

[@johnmcclellan9020]

I live in North Vancouver and it is paradise and very warm for Canada. I love this place and would never live in the United States. Being Canadian is just nicer and kinder.

[@ChaseJarvis]

BC is such a stunning place. It's the beauty of Washington on steroids ;)

[@lostsurveyor3036]

That's an extremely kind thing for you to say, may the beauty of the environment enwrap your soul. Prig.

[@garyalpern1402]

Nice interview, thoughtful guy. Funny, he has a little Art Garfunkel aura (coiffure?), hence good work process with Paul S.

[@wintertontoday]

🥲

[@sreeparnachatterjee3619]

👍

[@alexandere3126]

TOP

[@LisaMarie-rh5yn]

I like MG, but I’m out. Listening 28:00 mins & the majority of content has been “ Paul Paul Paul.” I understand the respect for Paul Simon, but if one isn’t a serious fan it’s too much. Your headline was def a bit misleading.

[@ChaseJarvis]

Hi Lisa, thx for the note. The point isn't Paul specifically, but what we can learn from those who have a long successful career - which re-invention is key. Malcolm himself talks about how he's reinvented himself over the years and also highlights Tiger Woods as an example. I've always believed that in the particular lies the universal. In the universal we can extract real insights. If you're stuck on the particular, the learning itself will be limited.

[@podcastsyoutube5524]

I completely agree with you.. After 21 mins of waiting for this to get interesting I had to tap out!

[@philiplaporta1246]

lol - he's promoting a book (a very good one). what do you expect?

[@podcastsyoutube5524]

@@ChaseJarvis This is exactly the reason why most people timestamp their videos.

[@sharischmidt4712]

My husband went to highschool (EDSS Elmira Ontario) with Malcolm just a year ahead but many of our friends and family members were in the same classes as Malcolm.

[@MrBigPlush]

and?

[@sharischmidt4712]

@@MrBigPlush nothing, he' just a nice Ontario guy, who's incredibly smart and interesting. And Rush played at one of our school dance's!!! EDSS !!!!!

[@kenwilliamsvoice]

Malcolm and James Altucher so resemble one another in appearance and even speech.

[@f0ad844]

I can't believe im gay

[@Neil-Aspinall]

Any chance you can wear a shirt every so often to look a little more professional Chase?

[@ChaseJarvis]

Ha. Thanks Dad.

[@Neil-Aspinall]

@@ChaseJarvis Father knows best son.

[@ChaseJarvis]

@@Neil-Aspinall genuine thanks for the feedback - but I prefer my track record over the past 20 years be the measure rather than my appearance. If somebody’s not down with my fashion - which is hilarious but 100% their prerogative I admit… But that’s just not a lens that I find matters in the circles where I operate. So imma keep going ;)

[@Neil-Aspinall]

@@ChaseJarvis Yeah maybe so but a shirt on a man does look smart every so often, keep that in mind.

[@soulcostume6756]

@@ChaseJarvis I haven't even noticed and I'm a visual analyst. The conversation and flow tied me in deep. A soul's costume Chase, always🖤

[@TheWilliamHoganExperience]

I'm both a liscenced architect and a musician. The part about endless drafts is true in any creative field. Even Michaelangelo did sketches prior to painting the Sistine chappel. Hell - especially Michaelangelo.....

[@Christopher_Bachm]

A moment of half reflection from a con artist might be interesting. Exploiting distortions of history has been taking in the sales and attention. We'll see...

[@anneflanagan9242]

Seriously, Who wears a ‘shirt, shirt’ at The Cottage! Its fits the decor! Hey why not wear plaid.. its all in fashion. Would that make the below writer happy! Sorry could resist.. ! My favourite place is The Cottlage!

[@truesonofliberty3267]

You can never win if you give up.

[@mtdebh20]

Hmm. Not just memory but a wealth of experience.

[@kurtsigmund6980]

It is the pinicle of individuality. Reinvention happens to you body no matter what. Your brain your cells change. Your very being can also change.

[@STELLASCUTENESS]

“No excuse putting up with America when you could just live in Canada.” Dufuq outta here. Have you even heard of Trudeau? At least Canada is cold enough to have a excuse for all the snowflakes….

[@BCBjcewA]

its not alchemy but its chemistry sure, but if its all about chemicals where does that leave us at the end of the day? its not good enough for me. literally or metaphorically anymore. I dont want to learn chemistry anymore UNLESS I CAN USE IT to make peoples lives good. BUT NOW I KNOW THATS ENOUGH OF THAT FOR THE DAY MY LIFE IS IN. there is TOO much chemistry in our society today! more garden less revving our engines for fun. nah mean?