Male Characters: YAY or NAY?

[@eleanornightwalker]

There are still a lot of people talking about story relevance and how other story related games don't let you choose, so I'm gonna leave this here: In SSO, you create the main character. The name and appearance of the main character is not specified by the game, and the story changes accordingly. There are very few games out there where you can create your own character, and not choose your gender. There are games where you are forced to play as a specific pre-made character, but those can't be compared to SSO. And those are not always male, either - in Tomb Raider you have to play as Lara Croft, a female. Besides, as stated in the video, it should be possible for the 5th soul rider to be male, because according to Rhiannon, it's the soul that matters, not the gender. For that reason, I personally don't see the issue of having male characters. In fact, I think it would make quite the twist if the 5th soul rider turned out to be a boy - I mean, who would expect that? 😅 I understand that a lot of you don't want boys in the game for different reasons, and like I said in the video, I understand that it's probably not gonna happen anyway. This was just me reflecting over the different arguments and expressing my opinion on it. And also: I've seen some comments hating on the male gender and saying how they will ruin SSO by being there. Please be respectful. Boys are not some evil beings. We have them in the game already, we just can't see them.

[@mei.kitsune]

Hey Eleanor can you reply to my private message on Instagram?🥺🥺

[@sketch3277]

If there would be boy characters added. I think they would have a gender option. They wouldnt put all the hard work of the female characters to waste tbh.

[@angelapixiecorn9625]

I don't think there should be male characters. I think this because I feel like having all females is encouraging young girls. It would also be weird for them to add a male cause it would I guess ruin the sisterhood? This just my opinion so no hate please. Also if they do add a boy I won't quit star stable and be mad at star stable. I like the concept but if I had a say in it I would say no

[@honeyspice8989]

Me who is playing Cyberpunk 2077 that lets you change every bit of identity you can see 👁👄👁

[@ssoforlife]

sso is meant to be a game that empowers *GIRLS* to change the world.

[@KorraHDAMV]

"The soulriders are a sisterhood" James charles: uhmmm

[@onlyimaginaryy]

And yet James Charles doesn’t know he is a boy

[@KorraHDAMV]

@@onlyimaginaryy HAHAHAHAHA true

[@theprincepalimino701]

Continued:MY FANS ARE A FUDGING SISTER HOOD no hun!

[@watchitornotabby632]

James charles is fine

[@namidanohyomenchoryoku]

imagine james charles turns out to be aideen herself and we have to summond her by repeatetly saying “flashback mary flashback mary flashback mary”

[@lavellan1021]

I'm a boy and I have no problem playing as a girl. There are games where we have to play as a male character . Sso is a role-playing game about a girl. The whole plot is about a girl . My friend was tricked by another girl who, pretending to be a boy, started an affair with her. But the fact that we don't have any boys in the game doesn't change anything. People in sso pretend to be boys anyway. Even if we don't have male characters. They just wear short hair and boyish flat clothes for the character. (I know girls also wear short hair and boyish clothes but that's not what I mean now) The fact that we have no boys in the game does not change anything because people change our character into a boy, so if sso doesn't want to add guys just for to protect the girls playing this game from dating, then they could add them because sso dating already exists. So the problem is only about changing the plot, because male characters already exist in the game - our characters dressed as boys.I think it's not fair to the female gender to turn her into a boy, as if the female is worse, and it's not... And we must remember this is just a gameeee. Sorry for my english :(

[@theronis]

Lucky for you. As a male player myself, I do have a problem with playing as a girl. It makes me uncomfortable, and I can't even share this game, which I love, with my friends, because if I did I would get laughed at.

[@lavellan1021]

​@@theronis Also sometimes I feel uncomfortable, especially since in sso everyone thinks I am a girl. You have no way of telling them what gender you are . For example, some gender icon next to the nickname, like in the game alicia online. it's awkward to tell someone I'm a boy:/

[@theronis]

@@lavellan1021 ikr i was playing sso and some youtuber recorded a video and i was in the background and they said "I like that girl's horse" and i was like UGH REALLY

[@bonesinthezones]

Idk how you’re so chill as a dude having to play as a girl with no other option 😂 and the argument of ‘we can dress up as boys’ is so frustrating because we have what? one hairstyle we can use that doesn’t represent the number of styles men have and no matter what clothes we put the characters in there is still a clear lump on the chest that cis men just don’t have

[@antifragiler]

@@bonesinthezones There's so many games where you have to be a male with no other option and limited character change. Sso is no different, except the gender roles are swapped. Sso is a childrens game about sisterhood and female empowerment, so to add male characters, it would mean that sso has to rescript the whole game all over again. If you feel uncomfortable playing as a female in a FEMALE EMPOWERMENT GAME, that's just toxic masculinity. Have a nice day.

[@siiril3964]

in my opinion if Star Stable decided to add male characters and they would have some mistakes in dialogs, quest names etc. the players that would choose to be a male character would just need to accept the possible typos or other kinds of mistakes because, obviously, changing and checking the whole game dialog would be a whole lot of work.

[@annatoth2888]

I dont think that it wold be hard to do it. the soul riders can stay the same and youre a boy and thats all. i dont understand why many people are against it.

[@jusssie010]

@@annatoth2888 Exacly remember when Justin moordland was a Darkrider? There was no problem with that either. He was in a group girls. The only thing sso needs to change is the dialoge and the back story. Like are you that person? Instead of girl.

[@hxezmad7023]

I mean they have already changed half the quest

[@gamermustang]

@@annatoth2888 ...The pronouns are ALL set to she/her. So SSO would need to go through EVERY SINGLE piece of dialog. And for what? Just to add a new gender into the game when the game is about females?? I don't see many people complain over games where you're a male. They don't go bickering about how females should be added. So, what's wrong with a game being aimed to girls???

[@mybatfish2828]

@@gamermustang theres nothing wrong, but as a trans male, i would DIE to see male avatars being in the game. you dont even have a proper androgynous hairstyle in the game

[@tishaprnucedteasha]

The romance argument is the stupidest like people still date in sso regardless

[@feyytime5571]

Yeah. They even dress up as boys to do romance. It doesn't matter if they are male characters already or not

[@DogDogGodFog]

Yeah, and lesbians

[@sylviemiststream]

God there is like a romance role in global chat like any hour of the day. I can't believe people even consider that as an argument 😂

[@horsecrazyviking7121]

So true.

[@laurag.5773]

truee

[@CadenceBunnybrooke]

“romance between players” **laughs in bisexual**

[@frankie_airo]

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[@DogDogGodFog]

Yeah, that's a boomer argument. Putting two people of opposite gender next to each other won't make them have a wedding five seconds later 🙄

[@aidenschwarck506]

I literally had an argument with someone over REAL LIFE events. She said: “if you put a man in a girls’ lockerroom something is BOUND to happen.” (More dialogue) “You don’t see LESBIANS jumping girls in a girls’ lockerroom” This^ Made me so incredibly angry. In what WORLD is it ok to say NO LESBIAN would look at girls in a girls’ lockerroom, when people are NAKED?! Another thing they added was literally “the statistics say more girls are sexually assaulted than guys” What statistics? The ones where the FEW males who DARE speak up are in that pie? Cuz the MAJORITY of men DON’T SAY CRAP! It’s so incredibly taboo for men to speak up against female rapists, because “women can’t rape men, only men can rape women”. Let me give you a news flash here: Men literally have no control over their genetalia. If someone gives them stimulation, then they have no say. The penis is not technically connected to the brain nerves. You may be scared, yes, but your penis is not a part of that system. Ever heard of morning wood? Yeah, guys have no control over this either. THINGS. ARE. BOUND. TO. HAPPEN. NO. MATTER. THE. GENDER. Thank you for coming to my TED-talk. :)

[@pogpogpog7507]

@@aidenschwarck506 uhhh dude as a bisexual woman, sapphics definitely do not stare at naked women in locker rooms wtf that's just creepy and violating people's privacy. the woman you were speaking to is correct. not to diminish men's struggles, as of course men do experience assault, but really women are more likely to be assaulted. tests have been conducted, anonymous surveys have been answered, and the results don't lie. if you'd like to discuss inequalities between men and women, focus on actual inequalities, such as mens' generally poorer mental health and suicide tendencies, which by all means needs to be fixed, just as women's higher rate of assault needs to be fixed. it's toxic masculinity and society's neanderthalic expectations of men and women that bring about these issues, and trying to compete over who has it worse really isn't going to get you anywhere, buddy

[@stefyroxanne7567]

*laughs in aromantic asexual*

[@idlydog1232]

I'm a trans guy. Loved horse games since i was little, and never have I ever found a horse game where you can play as a boy, and also customize yourself. I don't mind playing as a girl, I just made a character instead of myself, but I'd love to be able to create an account from scratch and create a character that is actually me, like most people do. I love the story, and the idea of a sisterhood, and I don't really think that should change either. If I'm being honest, It would be even cooler if the boy character could have a completely different relationship to the characters in-game. Maybe the decendant of a person who helped Aideen for some reason, and so in time of need this person will come back to Jorvik to help Aideen's decendant in her time of need... or something of those lines

[@ronjaravenbell9663]

Good oppinion on this :) Is not hard to make a charecter insted of yourselfe.

[@RukiCrossCorp]

@@ronjaravenbell9663 horse isle 3 you can make your character a male ;)

[@isalo786]

[spoiler] For the sake of the Catherine missions, I don't think the fact that the male character is a descendant can work. In the story, the player have and should have a link with Catherine, the mother of Justin Moorland.

[@jaydenmodig6799]

Alicia online is a good game :)) from one trans guy to another

[@RukiCrossCorp]

@@jaydenmodig6799 I love Alicia

[@iwanyy]

About this whole gender thing... in my opinion, we all should be able to have any features on our character, but be able to choose the pronounce (she/he/they) not the specific gender on our character

[@kyrotheburmese]

yes…. just bc i have long hair in sso, i get called she/her

[@Aimee0206]

Honestly, I really don't care whether or not they add in male characters. If they don't, that's cool. If they do, that's also cool. It doesn't change the story all that much. Even if they don't add in male characters, adding in selectable pronouns would be a *huge* step in the right direction, since we now have more masculine names, clothing, hair styles, etc. We can make our character as masculine, feminine or androgynous as we please - adding in selectable pronouns would be the final step.

[@nightlypumpkins9595]

Yes but the issue there is that it’s so many pronouns :/ This comes form a agendered person who use they/then adding in all those pronouns would take forever as it is way to many pronouns to actually add. Maybe they could go simple she/her, they/them and then he/him but they’d probs get complaints about that.

[@Aimee0206]

@@nightlypumpkins9595 That last part is what I meant - there's way too many pronouns for them to add in them all, so it'd be easier for them to go with the most well-known ones (she/her, he/him, and they/them). You can't really go wrong with that, since that would then cover binary and non-binary genders. (As a quick note, I know that some non-binary people use neopronouns, however, they/them is also used if you don't know a person's gender or pronouns, so if we go by the idea that the NPC's don't know our character's pronouns, then it'd work).

[@edenhocking6156]

100% agree :D

[@liaavv_4959]

The reason it does not work as a male is because our charachter is Aideen reborn

[@sheiladawngirl8714]

Theres also the fact that SSO would have to go through and make all the clothes fit a male character

[@-ix-3152]

I don't really care either way. If they add a male character model, they do. If they don't, they don't. It doesn't affect how I'm going to play the game, right? The only thing I would like is an updated character model in general. Our current one is simply outdated when you look at the rest of the game and all the new NPCs

[@sheiladawngirl8714]

Yeah I agree

[@corny7743]

Agreed, when the horses do a trick the character looks very...weird...cuz' no one stays like that :v

[@pancs8314]

SSO should do what they did in the newest Animal Crossing game. There, your character is basically a blank canvas and you add hair, eyes, hair ect. according to your own liking. You could even make it gender netural if u wanted to.

[@annaraymond9428]

I'd honestly hate that cause I'm not good with customizing lol.

[@DogDogGodFog]

But SSO's protagonist is not entirely a blank slate protagonist. She is an undetachable part of the story and the world, she has her own fixed place in it. She's a character in that story. The only customizable parts are the name, the appearance and the horses she owns. You're not yourself, you're _that girl._

[@pancs8314]

@@annaraymond9428 Maybe u yould have preset options to choose from? Lol just throwing ideas out there.

[@pancs8314]

@@DogDogGodFog That's why I only really meant it apperancewise!

[@migsmoo]

so you can be a girl in a typical "boy game" but you can't be a boy in a horse game??

[@strangedreamer2510]

If they don't add boy characters, at least make GOOD LOOKING SHORT HAIR STYLES

[@sachikoparr1309]

F A C T S

[@missymoo7704]

In my opinion I wouldn’t really care if they added male characters, it would just make SSO not feel as the same. 😁 Also, in Lisa’s room there is a pride pin (on her pin board) Edit: Aww thanks for all of the likes 😁😲

[@DogDogGodFog]

Really? You're sure that it's not just a Cloud Kingdom pin?

[@tishaprnucedteasha]

@@DogDogGodFog yes Lisa is bisexual its canon Helena confirmed it on insta i dont remember what post

[@annatoth2888]

@@tishaprnucedteasha eoe really?

[@missymoo7704]

@Tisha prønøuced Teasha Really?? That’s rlly cool how they think about the characters so carefully 😁

[@mj_mewa]

considering I have a major crush on Lisa, that's some great news

[@jgvisser8370]

We need a male character option cause I'd really like to play as a guy in a horse game to represent me🥴

[@Dominic-so1hd]

I understand their reasoning as to why they aren’t in the game now but I came out as a trans man a few years ago and It would be cool if the character represented me. My characters first name is also my deadname lmaoo

[@arykie7032]

@@Dominic-so1hd me too

[@livvo54]

i love that you used your old fjord in the background haha like everyone always with the new horses in their videos :p

[@sashaa678]

I don’t think sso should add male characters, as that would kind of mess up the storyline/point of the game. Plus, what about non-binary people? It’s 2020, and if you’re adding new genders, you need to be open minded. However, there is so much more than just the quests in sso, and I definitely think they should add more shorter hairstyles and typically “masculine” clothing. That way, male players can feel like themselves while playing, and I doubt they would be too bothered if the quests/dialogue still refer to them as female.

[@dindymay4001]

( My Opinion ) I think that's a good idea, instead of adding boys just add more masculine clothes and hair styles so, as you said, they could feel more like them selves. I also think it would be a lot less work to do that- also if there were male characters they would have to redo every- single- animation- for them on the horses and dances and all that stuff sooo yeaah. also there and tons of games where you can only choose to be a male character and I don't hear this many people saying "you should add girls" boys have their games and girls have theirs, and we can all share the games its just the developers don't have to change the whole story/plot just because of genders it honestly annoys me

[@mvrderbvnny]

exactly! i use all pronouns and having more gender neutral and masculine clothing would be a great idea they wouldn't need to go through all that work of changing most of the game and make new characters just to leave non-binary people out

[@edenhocking6156]

100% agreed

[@patch8932]

The only problem with that is I would say making the clothing model fit a more masculine body type too, I.E. jeans that don't show off curvy hips, shirts that don't accentuate the chest. That's fairly easy, they'd just have to work on the models not looking strange. Other than that, adding different makeup options to make the jaw look more square, lower cheekbones, etc would be great. They don't have to add a whole new gender, they just have to add more masculine clothing and such.

[@rotteddwelling]

I think they should add different body types for your character therefore you can make your character look male but still be "female" you can also get a maleish name or nonbainary name (Idk how to spell it sorry m g's) if you get me. It would be really nice if it did happen

[@gzanykat9553]

There are some neutral names: Tove, Gun, Li (I don't remember if this still in the game) and Denise are some examples ♥.

[@rotteddwelling]

@@gzanykat9553 yeah there is like max and nat and stuff but it would still be cool if they added more male names :-)

[@braunnbear526]

I definitely agree! Then they wouldn't have to change the story line whatsoever. Keep in mind they are already making new character models (probably more hairstyles to go with them as well), so they will be making many more customizable options for our characters including body shapes, face features, hairstyles and more! All they would have to do is make more androgynous features into everything in that mix.

[@rotteddwelling]

@@braunnbear526 yup, so if you were a male you could have a physically looking male character and just when you do quests you are a female. But still have a male appearance. But just a general character look/animation update should be at the top of sso's list of things to do. Like, we have one facial expression. The jumping position is so bad, Wednesday

[@rotteddwelling]

Holy- I deleted half my comment... sad life

[@Zorwoof]

along side male characters, we also need more skin tones, ethnicities, body types, hair types, etc, it would make me happy to see representation of more people, it would also make every avatar more unique

[@marie_icetea49]

A lot of people say that its gonna mess up the plot line, but that plotline is only for the person playing and if they dont mind, i think it should be okay. Or maybe not just add boys but have the ability to have different body types and pronouns, to include everyone, just for selfexpression.

[@noodle2nz]

As a female player- The only valid argument against imo is the amount of time that would be spent to materialise this update. I believe plot-wise, it is very feasible to allow male characters to be included in the game’s narrative, and a few typos early on by the SSO team could be easily forgiven by players. It is a quasi-“empowerment” game for girls, but female empowerment doesn’t mean an “all-girls world”, nor does it necessarily mean empowerment in spite of males; but instead female empowerment in harmony with the completely opposite gender. I think most of the male players on this game are very accepting of the fact there are only girl playable characters, but I can only imagine if I were a boy and wanted to play this game I would want to play as a male. It’s a definite yes from me😌

[@notcinox]

I personally think there should be an option to play as a male character. The reason why I think like this is, that even though SSO has said that this games story "just has a girl as the main character, like Tomb Raider for example" I don't think that SSO can be compared with a game like that. You see, in Tomb Raider you play as _Lara Croft_ but in SSO you just play as "you". That's why I think there should be more ways to customize our characters, because your character represents you.

[@eternalxillusion]

I 100% agree with you.

[@RimFaxxe]

Stop being rude to each other and calling each other names or I'm deleting this comment The team behind sso doesn't want to add boys and gender neutral roles and we can't force them jesus christ

[@RimFaxxe]

And I believe that it Would be dangerous to add male characters, as pedophiles would use it to target little girls. I hope male characters never make it Into the game.

[@tishaprnucedteasha]

@@RimFaxxe i disagree girls can be paedophiles too and paedophiles still play as girls

[@cat-bu5ky]

Emily Bondevik pedos use female characters and it doesnt change at all, they change their hair to short or wear boyish clothing. in sweden there was a pedo that violated more than 15 little girls that he met on star stable

[@itsyumichi]

Emily Bondevik As if there aren‘t any pedophiles on SSO right now lol

[@Megan_d0]

@Emily Bondevik exactly

[@ii_oblivious_ii1896]

As a transgender male, playing as a male character would definitely make me feel a lot better about playing the game in general. Sso has been one of my favorite games since at least 3 years ago, and while the storyline is great, being called a “she” or a “her” can really get to my head. It’s one of the reasons why I really don’t enjoy playing sso anymore. The arguments about people dating is, excuse my language, BULLSHIT. People are still going to date no matter what you do, might as well make male characters to make the guys feel more included. The boys that are already playing sso, such as myself, have already been in the community. What the hell are we going to change if we get male characters?? Which is exactly my point. Following up with the concord and the “sisterhood” theory, if there can be a mare in the “brotherhood”, who says we can’t have a male in the “sisterhood”? All the talk about sso being LGBTQ+ friendly is completely bs. If they were, they would allow you to say gay, lesbian, bisexual, etc and would even let you play as a male if you’re transgender. I don’t see why the hell we can’t have male characters?? Going back to trans males and the transgender community itself in this game, I have met at least 30 or more players who are actually transgender. Think about that. Imagine being trapped in the opposite sex body, then wanting to play a game to get away from that, and still having to be trapped in that female body. It isn’t right. It’s not equality for all, it’s fucking 2020 for gods sake! SSO needs to get their heads out of their asses, stop talking bs about equality, and step up to home plate and hit that home run with male characters. Imagine not being able to wear a shirt that you really like because it has boobs and that makes you uncomfortable! Like, the hell? Yeah, hoodies don’t show it as much but that’s a limited type of shirt that you can wear if you’re a guy. Y’all catch my drift? So yes, in my opinion, I do believe there should be male characters. **SIDE NOTE** If sso keeps going down this path, the community will continue to grow more and more toxic. They’ll lose more and more players to other (better and more equal) games like Alicia Online, where you can actually play as the opposite sex. They need to get it through their heads that people aren’t going to put up with this forever, and until guy players come out in the game, a huge part of the community will be lost slowly but surely.

[@pensuri55]

Hey! Sso does support the community as their is literally a lgbtq pin in lisas room. There not doing this because they aren’t supportive its because COPPA. COPPA is a everything ruiner and if sso doesn’t comply with the rules there game could be taken down. When you say bisexual people in game have more ways to say “sex” which would make the dating situation worse. Also i dont think you understand how much programing and rewriting it would take for sso to add males. They would have to make an entire new wardrobe of clothing re animate everything rewrite dialogue. Its not just about being lgbt its also about how much work it would take. Remember sso isnt a big company like Nintendo or another. They dont have enough money and resources. Have a nice day!

[@pensuri55]

@@_.gh0stzx I dont really understand what this has to do with my post above, but correct!

[@amylouise1996]

for the main story quests all theyd have to do is point out "oh wow a male soul rider is totally rare and hasnt ever happened, but its not impossible! i guess this isn't a sisterhood but more of a siblinghood. welcome ___" come on sso get with it.

[@bbitty_3480]

I think we should get male characters. I know quite a few guys who play SSO, and they'd love being able to have their character be a guy. It might confuse the storyline, but since you play the storyline on your own, it wouldn't matter wether someone was playing it as a guy ; it wouldn't affect your storyline experience. Obviously it would be a lot of work to change the pronouns and dialogue, but it still would be possible and not the most difficult thing. And a lot of people play SSO for the social element of it, not just the storyline. I don't think it would entirely take away the female empowerment either, and it could make young boys feel included in things they like but aren't sure they're allowed. But I think it's fine if SSO doesn't add male characters tbh.

[@bbitty_3480]

@@adrienneruetz5532 That is true, and I agree that it's frustrating. But just because those games are sexist, I don't think SSO should use that as a reason to not have them

[@bbitty_3480]

@@adrienneruetz5532 Yeah no absolutely, I don't think I sounded like I was hating in you, but if it sounded like that I'm so sorry! Xx

[@noones581]

@@adrienneruetz5532 thats so untrue lol. Yeah maybe shooting games from 2012, but in most newer games You have the option to play as male or female. (NFS heat/ COD/APEX/Fortnite/PUBG)

[@noones581]

@@adrienneruetz5532 you said "there is no option in genders" in shooters and driving games, which isnt true.

[@noones581]

what point are you trying to make? You said that typical "guy games" have no Female characters, i proved you are wrong. Are you trying to say that there are a few smaller games that only have male chracters? then yes thats true.

[@t4hc1cc]

Alright, if you guys don't know Royale High from roblox, then you don't know how terrible it is when there's a boy. I have a strong feeling Star Stable would become like that. Also the whole storyline is about a girl, there would be so many changes needing to be made... This game was also aimed at girls, (boys can still play but if you don't know what I mean by aimed, is that I doubt that they'll make changes like that for the audience because it aimed for girls and still is). However if Star Stable did all the work needed, no quests accidentally mentioning the main character being a girl and some way to restrict males being swarmed, I'd be overjoyed.

[@onedayfulloffear2736]

As a trans men it really bugs me that I'm forced to play as a girl character and it really makes it uncomfortable to play, dysphoria effects me when I play sso which is wired because it's just a game.

[@ven0mspark]

Yeah same, kinda hurts to constantly have to correct people on the game that I use to escape real life

[@ven0mspark]

@Oliver & Artemis I don't pass at all irl either, so i definitely can relate to your points

[@novastarburst3939]

Even as a cis girl I feel uncomfortable to be forced to play as a girl only so I can't even imagine how you feel... It's not the same feeling than you, but it's the fact we don't have any kind of choice. And their options to make a more "male" character aren't that efficient.

[@CitiesInDust-SATB]

People who are like "sso shows that girls can be heroes too!" honestly, its 2020, and i'm pretty sure that most girls knows that they can be heroes. also yes, our character is such a hero, they never does anything they just have the same facial expression and never says anything lmao

[@Megan_d0]

Not always there’s people who doubt themselves and don’t believe that they Can achieve there goals and be heroes so sso is good for helping girls believe they can do it

[@vannywearingvans1504]

They are giving our characters dialogue in the more recent main story quests which is interesting but i do agree that we do need expressions, our characters dont even blink 0-0

[@iluna1975]

they are working for out characters, so they will do so much more in future

[@laphove214]

I spoke with an SSO employee they said they would pretty much have to re-make the whole game, So I don't think they should add boy charaters, The employee also said they weren't coming anytime soon. Or ever. Edit: If you have any questions on any subject I can check if they told be about that subject and I can tell you, there are no spoilers

[@theronis]

Of course they'll say that, they don't want to tell people what is coming out. Cause, you know, SPOILERS. lmao

[@marasadventures]

When a game only has male characters and girls have to play as a man, its not a huge deal. But when boys have to play a female character, theres this huge discussion. I dont think we need male characters because the whole idea behind sso is a game about a special girl,to empower girls. I think they should add a body type option, for example a more masculine type, a bigger body type etc.Also some more short hair styles and gender neutral clothes.Sorry for my english btw c:

[@StarkeeperLen]

I agree! It's rather sad that we have to have this discussion But I most certainly understand why people don't think of boys being welcomed in girl stuff Boys like to make fun of such stuff after all, at least here in Germany, many male classmates of mine talked about eating horses always to the ones of us in the class liking horses, which were actually only two girls

[@marasadventures]

the_Lena _girl Yeah same here in Switzerland...

[@StarkeeperLen]

marasadventures it's so annoying and sad tbh...

[@noones581]

Im for equality and i am for both. I want Boys to be able to play "girl games" and Girls to be able to play "boy games".

[@StarkeeperLen]

no ones yeah, I'm for equality too but like, I still think that SSO is supposed to be a girl game at least from the story, I mean making male player characters can be very confusion for awhile and even tho I don't want boys to feel left out I would think of it as awkward to read a different story line than what I'm used to. I because of that would like there to be like no change in the quests and story line but for the boys to be able to show themselves more. Like a gender icon, more boyish clothes, more hair that boys would use I mean SSO has male workers so they can get help of those as well Plus it wouldn't just be good for the boys but also for tomboys

[@KorraHDAMV]

OMG OMG sso announced a new mistfall series. That means we either get to see the closed area of mistfall in the series or they release some new quests where in we open the area before the serie is released in december omg so many theories

[@Melonpanz]

I think the whole "other games won't let you play as a girl" argument is not bad but it makes sense in a single player game. Almost every mmorpg game lets you choose your gender so it represents you in some way. In my opinion SSO should do the same. I hope when they update the character model they'll include at least a bit more masculine body type and more short hair options to choose from.

[@CitiesInDust-SATB]

also people saying that "it would take a lot of work to create male characters" yes it would, but they are already working on updating the characters which takes a lot of, yeah, work. theyve also said that they want to make different body type options to choose from, even flat chests. And yes, they would have to change the dialogue in many quests too, but theyve already changed the dialogue many times in different quests

[@CitiesInDust-SATB]

I see a LOT of people comparing SSO to read dead redemption 2 and like... the thing with rdr2 is that you play as a set character, Arthur Morgan, who you can’t customize beyond clothing choices. You are controlling Arthur and not a character thats supposed to represent you, the player, as in SSO. However, in Read dead online, the multiplayer version of rdr2, there is a character creator and you can choose to play as either male and female. Its basically the same in many other games with only one gender option, you are playing as a set character.

[@wg3349]

What if male characters had special story quests and instead of becoming reborn of Aideen, they could become druids like Avalon. I know that is a lot of work, but it would solve the problem very well. And most of the story quests could even stay the same like rescuing Justin or Anne. Only those about girls would change like Catrines' memories.

[@tishaprnucedteasha]

Yeah thats what i used to thunk but the only 2 negative thing is sso has to work on 2 main stkrys while they're barely updating one and guys who have been playing as girls or transguys who have recently transitioned

[@tishaprnucedteasha]

@Gamer same lets hope they add andrognys (if thats how u spell it(

[@sashaa678]

This is an interesting idea but I am 100% sure that sso would never add this. Way too much work to code, plus, the game experience needs to be generally the same for all players!

[@tishaprnucedteasha]

@Gamer thank you

[@laurag.5773]

I don’t think so, would it be so weird

[@nyapkin]

From my experience, a lot of boys willingly pick the female avatar despite there being a male character option. I don't think we really *need* a male character, especially if the story doesn't want to fit in a way for guys to be a soul rider, too. Even if they did, I don't know if I'd expect SSO to go through all the dialogue to change it according to pronouns. There's a lot of dialogue that'd have to be read through, fixed, then double checked which sounds like a waste of time. If we were to get a male character, those players will most likely have to deal with typos and whatnot.

[@helawlodar9070]

I think that adding a whole new gender to the game and changing all the dialogues to fit in with the pronouns and context seems to be a lot of work, not exactly worth it, since the boys might be less than 10% of overall players, but I think that they should add more gender neutral clothing, hairstyles and character names ( they already exist but it would be nice to have more of them)

[@aranara_song]

It just feels like girls can't have something for themselves. The story is about a girl, you're role-playing a girl. The goddess you're supposed to be is a girl. I stand behind what SSO says, this game is for everyone. But the story is about a girl.

[@Vexis_plays_games]

RIP Horizon Zero Dawn that showed how strong a woman can be

[@bonesinthezones]

So the thing you want girls to have for themselves is the biggest horse game on the Internet? I’m sorry dude but it’s not an issue of ‘girls can’t have something for themselves’ it’s an issue of guys wanting to play a horse game and pretty much via the way the game is set up being told ‘well you have to play as a girl because only girls can play horse games’ which can be so emotionally damaging

[@antifragiler]

@@bonesinthezones No, as I said in a previous response to you, you're just affected by toxic masculinity. Nobody is saying "don't play horse games bc ur a male!!1!1!1", but people everyday are assaulting women just for being women, so when little girls get a game that shows that they can be a hero, males immediately jump to saying "oH wHY caNT wE??". Reality check yourself.

[@bonesinthezones]

no ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ well sorry to say but as a trans guy, I would get bullied and assaulted for playing a game as a female model because it stops me being male enough. Also, it’s a game, it’s not about women being assaulted everyday for being women. It’s about the largest horse game on the Internet being able to be inclusive for everybody. Chill tf out my lad

[@hi-uw4gi]

tolpumpkin - it’s not anyone would know you’re a guy. everyone would just assume you’re a girl. and honestly, it’s not that big of a deal if you have to play as a girl character. there are many games that offer male characters only. and if you’re still hoping for male characters, then sorry to break it to you, but they’re never coming. clara lightland (she works at sso) posted on her story that male characters aren’t coming any time soon. no, it doesn’t mean sso is sexist; sso is proud to be one of the only games that feature female characters only. I repeat, that does not make them sexist.

[@stepha3523]

what I find interesting is that with games that only have male characters, no one really minds and the girls just go with it. but, as soon as there is a game with only girls, lots of people, including some of the girls, stand up and say it isn't right.

[@707-p7e]

Period

[@stepha3523]

@@707-p7e lol yes. Its like girls are so used to being pushed to the side they get to the point where they dont care anymore, but boys are so used to having the advantage, you know? (this is not meant as anything against boys, its more against the stereotypes our society has even today.)

[@noones581]

@@stepha3523 thats literally not true, unless its a roleplay where you play a persons story most games these days give you an option between male and female

[@stepha3523]

@@noones581 but that's exactly what star stable is? anyway, i really dont want to start drama :(

[@noones581]

@@stepha3523 no you dont play as a set character in star stable. In star shine legacy you did. There you could play as Lisa/Anne/Alex/Linda in a set story. In starstable you can customize your character.

[@nelers]

I honestly think that Star Stable should add male characters, and I totally agree with your points. I don't think they would ruin the experience, but that they would just make it a bit different. My brother plays Star Stable and he thinks it is very unfair that there are no male characters, and I agree. Since like you said, they get bullied for liking things that girls do, and I have no problem if they were in the game. I think that if they added male characters, he would play Star Stable a lot more. However, as much as I would like that to happen, I'm quite sure it never will. I have been playing Star Stable for 4 years, almost 5 and I honestly think it's unlikely that it would happen, especially since Star Stable is working on other things at the moment. That is just my thought and I decided to share it for once. By the way, I love your videos, great job!

[@sylviemiststream]

I completely agree with so many of the great points you made. It's 2020. Every game should be inclusive to all genders, I don't care about the "sisterhood." Concorde was reborn as a girl, why can't Aideen/Catherine do the same?

[@hi-uw4gi]

shut up, sylvie. you don't deserve to take part in this conversation.

[@liaavv_4959]

Ew, look it's Sylvie🤢

[@stabilomadness4703]

I do want male characters. For all the boys out there plus the transgender community who plays this game. And that represents a fair amount of people haha

[@claralundvall4736]

We need male characters and I stand by that

[@Evelyns_EQ]

I feel like if they added it there would be way more bad roleplays... Which is scary to me. I don't wanna get creeped out by a 40 year old man.

[@AbigailPinehaven]

''Boys characters will promote dating'' LGBTQ+: Am I a joke to you? Honestly I think they just want to cut corners and stick to 'branding' (even if it is toxic to do so). Feminism is not about making girls better or more important than boys, its about equality for women. So if you have a game that is that basically says 'Well other games do it so I will too', its a childish mentality and will continue to cause inequalities in the gaming world.

[@opalwater]

I am a male player and i dont think it really matters if they ad male charracters or not i dont think its necessary but yea sometimes people tell me like ohh you play girl games or something like that which tbh doesnt really bother me i think everyone and any gender should be allowed to play the game (they are) but i think by adding male charracters it would help the game be more inclusive and maybe make people feel more comfortable by playing the game, i dont see it as a necessary change but it would be nice in some way (i hope i explained it well i wasnt really sure how to say it😅)

[@catt6726]

Can you please do a spoiler on Elizabeth possibly returning? I have been working on it for a while, it seems that she could return in northern mistfall. The lyrics in songs at her memorial "Like the sun, you live on,, a new dawn, across the morning sky" and northern mistfall is far to the east of jorvik.The fridge doors are all over jorvik in a shape of a star, near DC headquaraters. Star, maybe meaning lisa, lisa can heal. She could revive elizabeth but i could be wrong. Thanks for your spoilers and theories, eleanor.

[@RukiCrossCorp]

I prefer playing as a male in most games to be honest. Maybe they should take notes from Horse isle 3 and give us genderless characters that we can tweak to look one gender or the other. In HI3 they have sliders for chest, hips, facials features and all. I enjoy that.

[@novastarburst3939]

As a girl I think it would be great to have male characters. I don't care about the dialogues as it's already extremely bad ( french player here and sometimes you wonder if they use google translate or Reverso instead of someone paid for that ) and as we don't have that much interesting lines. I never liked when it's limited to a gender, whether it's for males only or females only and here it's a total lack of liberty and choices, which is really bad in a MMORPG. Concorde proved us that reincarnation and soul didn't care about gender, so, even if we are the reincarnation of an important character, our gender shouldn't be a problem. I mostly see that as a lazy way to have less items to create, less dialogues to write. I know that they won't change ( eh, more work... ) but it's getting more and more annoying and uneasy to only saw girls on the game. Especially as it reinforces the idea that a game about horses is only for little girls.

[@ceciliejensen7506]

The whole argument that “there are games where you can only play as male too” is kinda dumb in my opinion, because this is an RPG. You’re role-playing and most people want to roleplay as themselves and have a character that resembles them. That is why there is also emphasis on stuff like skin colour in video games where you can costumise your own character

[@eq.elleee]

My idea that I had for a while now was that SSO could just change the sister hood into a brother hood

[@subswithnovidsChallenge-mh1ub]

It’s a “nay” for me. I feel like boys would mess around, and I feel like it’s special to us girls. Boys have so many games that mostly boys play! It would also be hard making a whole new quest dialog for JUST a new gender. And yes, boys do act different from girls. Sometimes us girls just need something for ourselves. One, we can talk about “certain” things, and it won’t be as weird as it would be if you talked about it with a boy. Edit: I’m not saying only girls can play, and I’m sure it would be kinda fun. Boys should be treated equally as girls, and girls should be treated equally as boys. Boys can be very funny and kind, but I feel like some boys will just join the game to make fun of us girls. And tbh, I’m not to strong when it comes to criticism.

[@Icy_815]

But there’s boys who already play the game and none of the things you’ve listed has happened

[@anonymous8133]

It's not like if SSO would add the option to add male caracters tons of boys would suddenly start playing the game. there are already boys who play the game, and they don't just mess around.

[@keirabigtuin8856]

I mean im a guy and i play the game for the story and horses (irl horse rider too ✌🏼) personally i think guys wouldn’t start playing the game just to bother girls because like they could do that too now and they still don’t so adding guys would not change that much tbh

[@losttime51]

i'd like male characters not only so males feel included aswell but also non-binary peeps would feel more included cause maybe they rather would like to look masculine instead of feminine :/

[@hi-uw4gi]

Yeah, *no.* Male characters would just ruin the sisterhood vibe of the game. Honestly, I would quit Star Stable forever if male characters got added. Plus, Star Stable would have to re-do so much of the dialogue. And for all those who are going to say "That's easy, you idiot!" it's not!

[@mikewill282]

@@_.gh0stzx literally wtf

[@mrstinkah]

Hey there, I just wanted to say that I also think StarStable should add male characters. I mean it's a really nice idea that the game wants to show us, that female also is a very strong gender, but I think with that being said boys will feel like I'm a boy and I'm not allowed to ride horses, because I'm just a boy, which is wrong. I am also a boy and I play StarStable, yes! So, once I was playing SSO my brother invited a friend to play with him and his friend came into my room and saw me playing StarStable. He literally was laughing at me, so please. StarStable, SHOW US THAT BOYS CAN ALSO PLAY GAMES LIKE THIS. I mean it would be a lot of work to add male characters, but I really think it's worth it. Many players want to get the male characters, so I really hope they will add them and hopefully they can contribute, that boys can also go riding, dancing or something else. It's not just made for girls! But also the same thing in other games, where you can only play male characters.. :(

[@agoldendahlia3261]

I think SSO will never add male characters since this game is about girl power and such. Plus it would take tons of time! They would have to make a new model, make all the clothes fit the new model, make sure all the animations fit the model, and more. Their already in the progress of updating our characters so I doubt if they will make them it won't be soon. And like Elaenor said, this game is about a sisterhood and it wouldn't make sense. And a lot of people have the argument that "well James Charles created a sisterhood". That was more of just a saying and like his catchphrase type thing. Another argument is "Romance happens either way", yes it does happen as right now but adding male characters would only worsen it because that would most likely cause more boys to join meaning more possible people for thirsty girls to come after. SSO themselves has confirmed that male characters will never be added to the game so I feel like this argument/discussion should stop. This game is about empowering girls and adding boys would kinda ruin it. And if boys do really want to play the game and enjoy it they can still play, and that makes the community better because it's the boys who enjoy the game the most that will play.

[@feyytime5571]

Actually, they already have a male main character model. Funny isn't it? 😂 they have hair, facial features, skin tones and eye colours. And they look fricking amazing

[@agoldendahlia3261]

That model is for an NPC so things would still had to be changed. Plus they new characters are coming so they probably would not want to use old models, they would want to use a brand new/newer model like their going to be doing with the preexisting female model.

[@theronis]

lame sorry but none of your points work

[@agoldendahlia3261]

How exactly do none of my points work?

[@natedraws-art]

As a trans guy who plays it would mean a lot to me if they added male characters. Right now I just try my best to make my avatar look like one

[@coleo8363]

you made a lot of great points in this video. i think its important that they empower female stories but its a weird discussion because its also important to be inclusive. i would be okay if they dont add male characters or if they do. i think the only thing that bugged me about your argument is the romance argument. i find it very heteronormative. romance cant be stopped in games lol. thank you for making this video and sharing your thoughts!

[@yokittenstar8514]

ok. everything is for everyone. nothing is for a specific gender.

[@beelzemobabbity]

I see this differently from games like gta or persona 5 where you play as a character, an existing person (in game). But this game I see more as Skyrim. You make your character, you name them after you, make them look like you, and dress how you want. The whole problem can be fixed by making things gender neutral. Take animal crossing for example. You can wear whatever, it doesn’t chose pronouns for you, and even the “gender” is just icons not male/female. When they update the characters they can add options like chest size and body shape, even just new hair and faces. As far as story, it could be a thing where they add a plot point like “this is the first male member!” Or something. Empowering girls is good, but leaving out people in the process is exactly what other games like shooting games do to girls. It wont hurt anyone to simply have a more masculine character model. Hell! They could make it all girls still, but just add a masculine model to the game when they update characters, what about the trans girls and boys? Or just girls who don’t want to look feminine? Either way, the only people were hurting by refusing to add masculine models are our own players.

[@aidenschwarck506]

I don’t mind SSO not adding any male characters, however, here are some of my thoughts on it (good or bad): The whole programming would have to be redone, and it’d be a whole reboot of SSO. It’d take too long, maybe even more than two years. My issue is that I don’t see ONE horse game where there is a male character (other than alicia, but it’s more a racing game than an actual horse game). SSO could earn a ton of money on adding males, but again, I understand the issue with the game being meant for girls. I’m transgender (female to male), and for YEARS I’ve tried to push away my past (my past self, who lived as female). The fact that horses and horse games are so taboo for males, doesn’t make this any better. Multiple times I’ve been told what to do and what games to play to seem more “masculine”, and it hurts. I love horses dearly, and I’d love to have my own horse, but I don’t even feel comfortable telling people I play SSO because everyone would think I wasn’t a “true” transgender person, and just someone who’s doing it for clout, which I’m not. In general, SSO is extremely feminine. It really hurts to see that most girls aren’t represented. I have a ton of friends who have short hair (girls and boys), and yet SSO only has 2 hairstyles that’s shorter than a bob. Even so, these hairstyles haven’t been updated in FOREVER. I literally never take off the helmet in game because the hair looks absolutely HORRIFYING! I wish SSO would add more LGBT items. They do it once a year I believe, and then they remove it again. I’d love to have more of a variety of clothes and accessories. Body types would be absolutely amazing as well! We just have this skinny girl with slim shoulders. I’d love to see some diversity in the riders. I understand this game is meant for girls, it’s completely fair. It’s true that most games revolve around guys (though, that’s actually not the case anymore), but I haven’t seen a single horse game that sheds light on guys also riding. Riding horses has become such a taboo, even though in the early days, women were actually not allowed to RIDE horses, only men were. Now, the sport has changed and most riders are female, and the male riders like to keep hidden. It pains me to see this, and I wish SSO would add some more diversity, if not make a male avatar. Adding more gender neutral clothes (I struggle to find something that looks “masculine” on me) and more short hair that’s actually been deeply thought about. These were just my thoughts on it. Again, I understand it’s a girls game, but it’d be nice if in the future SSO would rethink the “no guys allowed” ordeal :)

[@DogDogGodFog]

I think that in the context of this topic, a good question to ask would be 'Should we ignore our differences or embrace them?'. Do we want to embrace girl power, or do we want to bring boys into the equation and not embrace the power of either?

[@amybraathen7873]

I do think they should, it does feel quite awkward playing as a girl when you are a guy. There are a lot of boys that do play this game. And more would play if it had male characters as well. I do think it's a great option. There is a few down sides, a lot of girls will probably go over to gender bender, and there most likely be fangirling about the male character. But I do not take it negatively, maybe more people will feel more comfortable.

[@RomysPferdewelt]

I really like that there is like this girl community in Star Stable, so I don't really want male characters. I would find it a bit weird, with the aesthetic of the game. But I'm a girl, so I don't know how the boys that play Star Stable, feel like!

[@homosexualsam6887]

I, as a guy, feel bad about playing as a girl. I wouldn't say I feel discusted, but it makes me uncomfortable.

[@itzelfe]

I was completely against male characters but after seeing this video my mind has changed . I'm a massive charity person and am completely against racism and sexism but more to the point , they could make it so you pick your gender so the story changes and you have a brotherhood and are the boy there looking for . They would have to make male soul riders but maybe it could be possible , does anyone like my theory? excuse my bad english im dutch

[@justapotato1176]

In every dialogue code: player_gender Boom. This is a joke I'm not saying coding is easy or anything

[@liaavv_4959]

Our charachter is Aideen reborn so a male does not work in the story

[@Genshinlmao123]

What if they use a different type of coding.

[@vampicify]

i think the problem is that this is a mmorpg, not some shooter or story game so alot of people like to look like themselves (or how they want to look) sso is the only mmorpg ive heard of that had only one gender to pick from as a guy i wouldnt care that much if they were added or not, i just think they shouldve made our characters look more androgynous with a flatter chest and more hair/makeup options lisa for example used to look androgynous with her rocker look (still hate it that they changed her) their "feminism" excuse is bullshit btw, since feminism includes both genders- they should just tell the truth and talk about how difficult it would be to add males

[@alicesandoval8594]

I just wanna day thank u. For curing my boredom 24/7

[@lumapagno8750]

I'd like to have male player characters but I understand why there isn't. My best friend is a boy and we okay together since 2012 and now we are friend irl. He never felt bothered by a female character and he still enjoys the game equally so :) but it'd be nice to have boys for sure. Also, the safety of everyone is what matters the most in the game environment.

[@gumiinx-ku6676]

Good job SSE for killing off potencial audience that early! You guys in the comments sound sexist too! Here's some debunking for the not adding guys opinion: 1. But there are games that have only male characters! - Well, that's because they are sigle player games ( red dead redemption, GTA series etc.) where you have an already existing character with their own personality. MMO games allways had a choice of gender. 2. It would break the storyline! - That's the only good argument that I have seen there. But here's the thing. Would it kill them at this point? They changed most of beloved characters already, so it is not that of a problem at this point. Sure, it is about sisterhood and there is the prophecy. The change would make for a more interesting and fun story. And of course, Justin and Concorde exist. 3. the dating problem. I can agree on this one too, but the problem already existed before. and there are buttons like ignore and report (or is it? theyy could add one). I would be more careful about usign this one argument. It mostly sounded really simmilar to the all men are... you know.. 4. It will be difficult and it will took so much time! - I mean others can do that, so why not SSE? They already started changing dialogue to they/them, so what's the problem? the models? just use some that are NPCs as a base. This is a lazy argument. I don't care that much about adding males. But I'm a girl who likes to play as a male, so it makes me sad that my first mmo is that backwarded. I wrote this, becouse the arguments againts this are stupid. Male characters could make this game more alive and fun for at least a little while.

[@rat854]

What's up with Star stable supporting feminism and not adding male characters because of it? I think that's just sexist and that the word feminism is just an excuse to exclude males. I think both genders are equal and girls who think like that, think way too highly of themselfs. It's stupid 🙄

[@jabadeedeejabadabadoohh4875]

I think a good option is for them to only add pronoun customization options! That's a lot less work than making a whole new male character model, and it still fits with the lore if a girl has he/him or they/them pronouns. It's still a sisterhood, with 5 girls, and it would even be great for more inclusivity!❤

[@karo8917]

I think that they could just add that you can change your bodytype, like a female can look like a boy in her body. Like trans or that she just doesn't look that way. And they could add a face with no makeup and add like shorter styles of hair. But the character could still be female, but boys paying the game would feel more comfterble.

[@bonesinthezones]

I’m a trans guy that plays the game, and it’s honestly kind of mentally damaging that I’m being forced to play as a girl. It’s like everything I’ve done to try and prove that I’m Male has been thrown away because ‘only girls can play horse games’. Inclusivity needs to become the norm. If they can add male characters, even if just for the niche amount of males that play the game, then they should be in the game.

[@bonesinthezones]

some thot I’m not saying that anybody has to bow down to anybody, but your response is so closed minded it’s insane. This is the biggest horse game on the Internet. I’m someone who has loved horses his whole life and has ridden them for 12 of those 18 years of my life. Of course I’m going to play it. It’s just seriously unfortunate that it has to trigger gender dysphoria in myself and other trans men when it is something that could in fact be fixed if SSO decided to

[@bonesinthezones]

some thot I was just explaining my views on it like absolutely everybody else in these comments? That was literally the point of the video. Why are you coming for me about adding my part to the discussion that the creator of the video encouraged to happen?

[@bonesinthezones]

some thot I haven’t attacked anybody or been aggressive in any way so idk where you’ve gotten that view from. I’ve just been explaining my views along with other people in reply to others. I’m not playing the victim in anything, again, I’m just stating my views like everybody else in this comment section is

[@ariuthere]

Idrk if we should have male characters. I've only been playing for like 6-7 months so I'm not rlly sure whether we should have it but I think what they should do is make it so you can customise ur character so it can look more like a boy ( e.g. more ' boy ' hairs, normal jeans, etc..). I don't really have much more to say but I have some more stuff to say about the fridge doors ( yes I'm still thinking about it ) : 1. When you stay near it for a while, u can hear sounds like screaming and rails. 2. They are quite hidden so that would mean they don't want ppl seeing them so there is definitely something dodgy happening down there. ( Sorry I know this isn't really about the video but I just had to mention it ) Let me know what you think :D

[@theronis]

there's no good boys hair. and you still cant look like a boy because of the avatar and if we made our accounts years ago we cant change our name to a boys name

[@ariuthere]

@@theronis Oh yea I forgot the avatar...about the names, there are some people e.g Denise Wisestorm who just pronounce the name different to make it a ' boys name ' . There are already some unisex names like Max, Sam, etc.. and it's not hard to come up with boys names like, honestly.

[@hi-uw4gi]

Theronis - actually, you could choose names like Toby, Sam, etc. you can also choose you hair to be short from the beginning. there are also neutral clothes you can purchase. I feel like that’s good enough.

[@theronis]

@@hi-uw4gi It's not good enough. Nowhere near good enough. The short hair is disgusting, and the clothes may be neutral but since the avatar is obviously female it doesn't work. Not to mention the fact that someone (like me) who has been playing for seven years and who isn't stinking rich and can afford a NEW lifetime star rider account won't be able to use names like Toby or Sam. We're stuck with our original names.

[@hi-uw4gi]

Theronis - then don't play then. i'm trying to feel sympathy for you but you're making it really hard to. and there are wayyy more games that feature male characters ONLY and no one really cares, so why is it such a huge issue in sso? like, just let females get their game for once oml.

[@feyaemberstrong4651]

I think it would be cool to have male characters in the game.

[@liaavv_4959]

Our charachter is Aideen reborn. That's the reason

[@karoli.na4213]

I feel like we should. I am not sure if many boys would play it but I am SURE some would. I mean... I know that the sisterhood id supposed to be made of girls BUT guardians horses (Starshine, Meteor,...) are supposed to be all boys but the new Concorde is a mare sooo...

[@ceciliejensen7506]

I really want male characters, just because I prefer to play as male in video games even though I’m a girl. I don’t know why I feel like that, I just do. Honestly, if SSO added male characters, I would create a new account and buy lifetime on that one too.

[@piratethepony7055]

They could still keep it as a “sisterhood” for a start but when you have that first encounter with Elizabeth and you have to activate the runestone thing, maybe she could say something like “but you’d be the first male?” Idk just a thought

[@cloudedsong]

sso completely has ignored the male and FTM trans community with the exclusion of male characters.

[@gagatrondra2899]

SSO fan base: too many new horses! SSO fan base in 2030: too many new boys!

[@my_guiding_key]

i think that just by adding male names or more androgenous names, and just removing some of the volume in the chest- also giving more hair options its god enough. i dont really care at all

[@zroobell]

i respect all opinions and i respect yours, i will refuse to argue about it but i think it should stay how it is. it would be nice for male characters but at the same time it would affect the storyline quite a lot and it would take a long time. there would be so much dialogue to go back on and change. on the other side i see how boys do get made fun of for being into ''girlie" things and that is NOT a good thing. boys should too be able to be into anything they want and not be made fun of and so should everyone but there are many ''boys'' games girls get made fun of for playing and that also dont have girl players so i agree on that point of view. just remember, i respect all opinions and i wont fight with anyone about it. xx have a great day and just tell me if i came off as rude at any point, love ya! xxx

[@werewolfstrike7]

Many games are male only I really don’t see why we girls can’t have our own thing for once too

[@nenadstojanov3842]

Lol i was looking for this kind of comment. Its just stupid. I dont wanna come off as rude. But im pretty sure even sso has said that the game is for everyone. Every game is for everyone basically. Yea maybe there are some car games that wouldnt really fit u. But this is a horse game. Ill tell u that not only girls like horses, or stuff that u think only girls deserve to play. Adding male characters wouldnt really change anything other than the "story". ""BuT tHeRe wIll bE oNlInE dAtInG"". I dont get why everyone says that. When most of the players already online date-

[@artemiss4432]

I agree. Many AAA games (RDR2, God of War, etc.) only have male protagonists and nobody complains about it. Same thing for other games where the protagonist is only female (Horizon : Zero Dawn, TLOU2, etc.). If girls can play as a guy in RDR2, why couldn't guys play as a girl in Star Stable ?

[@CitiesInDust-SATB]

@@artemiss4432 the thing with rdr2 is that you play as a set character, Arthur Morgan, who you can’t customize beyond clothing choices. You are controlling Arthur and not a character thats supposed to represent you, the player, as in SSO. However, in Read dead online, the multiplayer version of rdr2, there is a character creator and you can choose to play as either male and female. Its basically the same in many other games with only one gender option, you are playing as a set character.

[@hi-uw4gi]

ikr

[@eternalxillusion]

@@artemiss4432 RDR2, HorizonZD, TLSOU are SINGLE-PLAYER games. Star Stable is an MULTI-PLAYER game (MMORPG). There is a difference. In every MMORPG there are male and female characters - at least I can't think of an MMO where there are only male characters.

[@isabeldreamforest8866]

My theory is, that when they do give our characters the long awaited update, they might give us options to customize our characters a bit more. For example, being able to choose from 5-8 different looking lips, eyes, nose, body type, etc. all separately. And with that, possibly some more "gender neutral" options, so you could make your character look a *little* more masculine. Just a theory, but I think that is how sso should, and might, resolve this issue in the community. ^.^

[@bliss7385]

I kinda don’t want male characters, it will break the story. Also it will cause even more online dating, A young girl could be tricked by an old male. Or a old girl can trick a young boy. So I think it’s not very safe.

[@eva1585]

I mostly agree, however, that stuff still happens in the game even without the gender option.

[@sddreamcrystal]

I've heard a few solutions at least for the avatar side of it is to make it more of an androgynous look. I've also heard some suggest making a 2nd storyline where the male character would be more fitting. I think... depending on how they make our updated characters look (which may not be for another year or two because of what all is involved with the character) players could make a body type that leans more towards a male build but maybe still androgynous?

[@eternity4311]

Nay, I'm a boy myself and the the girl MC just makes sense and more fitting for the main story, for example one of the story quests where we talked to Catherine: she somewhat referred to us as the "Goddess reborn" Which is honestly in my opinion is more interesting knowing there's a possibility that our MC is this all powerful saint/goddess who's the Guardian/protector of the world considering how much she's done for the people of jorvik (as dramatic as that sounds, it's still interesting XD)

[@neva6572]

I would not like male characters but let me explain. Star Stable already has the hedgehog/ the "male" hair and names like "Max" or "Hunter". I have seen KZbinrs like Denise Wisestorm and Max Kingmoon and they have no problem with playing as a female. If they would change the pronouns to something like he/ him or even them/ they. If we could be able to change our pronouns for like maybe 1,000 shillings then the story quests will have correct pronouns to the player. I get that this might take LOTS of programming but Star Stable has said that "everyone can play even if they are male". I feel like male characters do not need to be added because of the amount of stuff Star Stable has put out for them. Think about it. If male characters were added more and more people would do romance roles/ "rex roles". This is out of the topic of male characters but like if we could choose a gender for our horses so the quests would say like "Do you think that he can handle that" or something like that. I would say that male characters are a no for me.

[@soph_f16]

There's no other games that have only female characters, why can't we have this?

[@juliemacfoot]

yah there are, ya just gotta look ✋🙄

[@DogDogGodFog]

@@juliemacfoot Not of this caliber.

[@juliemacfoot]

@@DogDogGodFog bruh theres literally a game out there where you can only be a girl and it was ranked 3rd out of 25 other games as the best game of the year in 2017.

[@DogDogGodFog]

@@juliemacfoot Name?

[@juliemacfoot]

@@DogDogGodFog Horizon Zero Dawn! my favorite game

[@kichi_dxspair766]

I mean, as a trans male I would like to be able to play as a male, but the arguments against are very reasonable reasons to not have any male characters

[@MissFluffyPink]

Personally I feel that one of the strongest arguments against male characters is the story line. While we have gotten it explained that the horses can be reborn with different genders no such coment has been made about the sisterhood of soulriders. So you can't really compare the two. Another reason why the soulriders can not be compared to the horses are that the horses have never been refered to as a brotherhood or similar. Also our horses are the same soul reborn over and over. However our character are just girls with a certain skillset and a connection to Aideen, not souls reborn. This is clearly shown as previous (such as Elizabeth Sunbeam & Eva von Blyssen) were alive when the current soulriders were born and when their/our powers awakened. We also know that Aideen is female, so maybe females are closer to Aideen and that is why soulriders need to be girls in order to be close enough to Aideen to use the soulrider powers? As for the darkriders they are even less valid for the argument about whether or not there could be a male soulrider. Because we have at least one male darkrider already, Drako, and they wanted to recruit Justin. Furthermore we have never gotten it confirmed that darkriders has to be a specific gender or how many there can be at any given time. For all we know Mr Sands could try to recruit any person who has the right skillset rather than being reborn as our horses. So unlike soulriders where only 4 exist at the time there might not be a limit to how many darkriders there can be at any one time. I do think it is unfortunate that some people feel uncomfortable as female characters but with the new customisation for the new characters it should be even easier to make your character look like a boy. Besides, there are so many games where there is no other option but to play as a male character. Yet I never see this debate in other games... I don't see the issue with having one (or a few) games where you can only play as a girl? By that logic you should also be upset that we haven't gotten to choose the gender/sex of our horses (especially the starter horse), SSO decided it was a male and that's that. If SSO adds male characters to be inclusive it would only make sense to be inclusive of ALL genders, not just the two biological sexes? So if you add boys it would be to truly discriminate against people who, for example, are genderfluid or non binary. With that in mind I personally would much rarther see the genders that tend to be discriminated against included in the game. To hopefully give them a platform where they can be accepted and safe. Not that boys don't deserve that but to be fair... Boys have lots of platforms for that already so just this time... Maybe we could instead work on the stigma and shame boys seem to feel over playing as a female character? Starting with; why do so many boys feel so uncomfortable with that? Is it because they are ashamed and why are they ashamed? If it is due to what others will say, that sounds like a selfesteem issue more than anything or maybe you need to educate the people around you to be more open minded? Because personally (as a girl) I play several games with a male character and have no issues with that. I would also prefer to see the work that would go into creating male characters (character design, changing quest names and dialogue, adding names, clothes, face up, hairstyles etc) to be put to use in different parts of the game. Such as updating the NPCs in game. Justin Moorland and Mr Sands are in desperate need for it considering they are such large parts in the games story. The last issue I can think of shouldn't really be an issue however all too often it is a big problem as far as being inclusive goes... And that is clothes and hairstyles. More often than not in games where you have male and female characters you are stuck with a specific set of hairstyles, make up, clothes/armour and sometimes even weapons based on what gender you choose and that kind of discrimination drives me MAD. Why is it that as a girl can't wear so many of the cool clothes? And why as a male character can you not have long hair or dresses? Why is there a male and female version of the same suit of armor where the female version is a bikini top and a lioncloth and the male version is this awesome looking knight in shining armour style? I dread something like that happening in SSO. So without meaning to offend or hurt anyone I personally hope that SSO keeps it to female characters only. But that is just my opinion and you are of course allowed to have your own.

[@hi-uw4gi]

facts.

[@liaavv_4959]

Agreed, our charachter is also Aideen reborn which is why the charachter can not be male

[@yn3852]

Boys can play sso as a girl, it’s not a big deal, as girls often have to play games as a boy, they can dress up their character how they want to. Please don’t come at me, this is just my opinion

[@moon_pie8]

I kinda feel like they should add male characters but also non-binary characters. I feel like the game would be a lot more inclusive then :)

[@a.90129]

I wish there were different body types too.

[@ReginaDarkcastle]

The way I see it is that we have played games for ages in which we assume the role of a male protagonist (a recent example is Red Dead Redemption 2 in which we play Arthur Morgan and John Marston). It's nice to have a game where the main protagonist is female. The entire plot revolves around the fact that the main character is a girl, and it would reshape the lore that The Starshine Legacy/Star Stable has been based around since the early 2000s. It would not only go against the lore but would be very hard to correct in the game's quest dialogue since we've been called "she" for almost a decade. Star Stable does give boys or those who wish to be androgynous options to make their characters look more masculine or androgynous by providing shorter hairstyles and a variety of clothes that could be for anyone. My guess is when they update our characters, they'll provide plenty of body types and hairstyles that make this even easier. It's not that they aren't being inclusive, it's just that Star Stable is set in a world where a girl is the star of the show. And that's okay.

[@flowers4juli]

NON-BINARY CHARACTERS!!! (English isn't my first language)

[@knowledge1322]

I agree with your opnion man, I would love to see sso be more inclusive