Male Circumcision at age 18 in South Africa | Traditional Ritual

[@thatothobejane4674]

Yes, on paper it is completely your choice whether or not you want to do it via the traditional route, but in reality, life is made very uncomfortable for you as a man within Xhosa / Sotho communities if you don't do it that way. Regardless of your age and success in life, you will be regarded as and be treated as a boy within those communities. Meaning you would be ineligible to perform men's duties/rites/roles - such as mediating any dispute or having any family discussion in isibayeni (in the kraal - it's used as the men's space for meetings and such), you'll technically not be eligible for marriage in the community as you are a boy, you wouldn't be able to form part of the council in issues pertaining to lobola, you wouldn't be able to eat meat (at ceremonies and gatherings etc) that has been 'received' for men etc and in a lot of cases you'll be subject to ridicule from other men or boys in the community for not going through with it. With this kind of societal pressure, I don't think it's fair to say that it's your choice as gentleman in these cases.

[@ChituDiary]

What if I marry a xhosa man and I prefer my son not to go through this, is there any compromises from my husbands side? Or it’s a just an unmovable law???

[@thatothobejane4674]

@@ChituDiary it depends on the kind of family you marry into. But most unfortunately will hold steadfast to their traditions. Just be prepared for your son to go to Camp Rock if you marry a Xhosa man😂

[@tozamilefunani]

@@ChituDiary it’s not your decision at all and your son will resent you for making his life miserable…

[@queationsanswers9525]

@@thatothobejane4674 So choose better then.

[@queationsanswers9525]

@Nomopoly 2 A coward would give in to pressure.

[@selemosefehle297]

Hi Chitu! This topic is very very sensitive to us who are practicing it. Any person who has an opinion about our tradition and has never been there, will always have lot to say but she or he does not understand. In house we had 99 boys and they left home on the 22 November 2021 and came back 5th Jan 2022. We just had a big celebration. I am still recovering from the celebration. I wish I can share with you some videos which were taken on the arrival day and the entertainment of 2 days. I am a very proud Mosotho man.

[@queationsanswers9525]

I just hope they don't have access to smartphones and google then. If any one of them had regret and brought it to your attention you could easily dismiss or apologize for convincing them to do it. Either way they will have to live with the results not you. If culture is all that you are about, then what is left for the individual experience? Do you breed animals or people?

[@tozamilefunani]

It’s male circumcision; all Xhosa men go through it; as a female you’re not supposed to even talk about it… it’s the most sacred thing you can do as Xhosa man.

[@ChituDiary]

Ok sis❤️‍🩹

[@tozamilefunani]

LOL I’m not sisi; I’m the guy at the back 🤣🤣

[@carolinekasiemeka9848]

It's true in Kenya The Bantu people. Women are not to talk about this topic it's taboo. That's our culture and tradition. It's a man's talk.

[@sphamandlanongalo8919]

I also went through initiation school this topic is not discussed by females please don't speak about it again

[@victoryactivitiestv]

you are right, culture is culture, i think some cultures are been eradicated nowadays, thanks so much for sharing

[@ChituDiary]

Uwc sis

[@geraldlekhowane8736]

It's Forbidden to talk about Initiations Schools as Women... BaPedi Xhosa BaSotho Maphulane We go to the mountains... And its forbidden to talk about it what happened there!!! So is a topic which is So sensitive and emotional traditionally connected...I did it when I was 17 everyone done it actually is a must because we coming from the founding families of the Bapedi Kingdom "royalty " lead with example.. In Short is forbidden for women to talk about Initiation school rituals

[@carolinekasiemeka9848]

It's True in Kenya this is a man's talk women don't talk about it. It's a Bantu culture thing, it is what it is.

[@nomahmbili4596]

I like the way you pronounce Xhosa😂👍 and the way you say Hhay maan, hhaybo😂😍😍

[@neo-mpax436]

I want that app that can detect fake hair products what is it again?

[@TheChichiShow]

Me too it's a No No for me,the pain will be too much for the boys.nice share dearie!

[@ChituDiary]

Uwc sis❤️‍🩹

[@julietambali]

Hello beautiful queen. I don't know how I missed this.🥺❤️

[@cherishedoliviaTV]

But mainly it’s done during winter , I don’t know why Cus for me I think it will be more painful in winter

[@ChituDiary]

Nne winter itself is pain, does it happen in Pretoria too??

[@julietambali]

I can't imagine the pain that must entail. This is my first time hearing about this rite of passage. Wow, some die! That’s why it is key to talk about these things before marriage.

[@huongtoituonglai24]

Amazing video and good bless my dear friend 🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️

[@cynthiaboateng431]

Wow, cultural differences, always good to know. 18yrs, hmm I can imagine how they will feel the game. I think most cultures too do it at baby stage so the pain wouldn't be severe.

[@ChituDiary]

Cultural differences just like the himba tribe giving male visitors women for sex

[@vongtaynhanaikptt6066]

Wow beautiful place nice view i enjoy

[@neomontja71]

We have it in my culture and it's called "Koma". It's a sacred thing and no one is allowed to discuss it. My family doesn't practice it but some of my female friends went to the mountains and they would never ever tell you what happens there. It's even an offence to ask them. When they came back they would choose one of their names they do not want people to call them by anymore. If you call them by that particular name you would pay them or they would punish you. Some die at the mountains and never come back but no one is allowed to talk about it. When they come back they have a huge celebration, slaughter a cow and give them lots of gifts and they receive a lot of respect from the community. Men who didn't go to the mountain are looked down upon and they call them "Leshoboro" meaning the uninitiated. Women that did not go to the mountain used to be perceived that they would not be able to satisfy their husbands sexually when they get married but that notion has disappeared now. It's the men's side that is still emphasized.

[@ChituDiary]

But that women part used to be the other way around in my culture in some parts of royal families they circumcise them to reduce their libido and promiscuity but I think they later outlawed it because people felt it was a cult to do such barbaric things and look down on the ones who didn’t

[@neomontja71]

@@ChituDiary Hmmm Chichi it's interesting how similar we are in so many ways. African culture is fascinating.

[@mahlatse8605]

@@ChituDiary the women's one they don't cut anywhere . That would be FGM. I have female cousins thay went. They're fully intact. They go for other forms of training. It's got nothing to do with reducing libido in women

[@thecocomama]

Male circumcision at 18 yrs is for strong hearted, i can imagine how painful it is

[@peacemathebula3597]

It’s very painful that you will learn how to be strong as a man

[@ChituDiary]

Honestly sis

[@cherishedoliviaTV]

Yes we are here

[@ntswentswe]

My sister, this is a very sensitive matter and to us, who practise it we don’t go into detail when we talk about it (“yinyewe” and we know what to do when that time comes). You don’t make a choice for your boy child as this may come back to bite you. As the people who practise it we safe guard it with pride. My advice to you…leave it (haykabi😍) We love you but there are no go areas when it comes to our culture. I hope you’ll take my comment in a positive way…I mean no harm

[@ChituDiary]

Totally get you, and reasons why I didn’t use a South African to make the video so they don’t come under fire

[@carolinekasiemeka9848]

Very sensitive topic too in Kenya The Bantu tribe. Women don't talk about it. It's taboo. Very sensitive topic for woman to handle. It's best to 🤫.

[@vongtaynhanaikptt6066]

Hello my friend thank you so much 🐵🐵

[@ogochukwustellamacs]

Chitu love i don't know anything about xhosa.. Am just learning and admiring you😁♥️😘

[@ChituDiary]

Thanks sis

[@omastaste]

At age 18 is seriously so painful 😣 I can't even imagine the pain is killing me with goosebumps

[@mastermind6248]

LoL how did you know

[@thecocomama]

African culture is really diverse

[@ChituDiary]

Very diverse

[@esealofoje2807]

🏃‍♀️🏃‍♀️🏃‍♀️🏃‍♀️🏃‍♀️🏃‍♀️ I no dey for this one o. I can imagine how those boys will feel. Let the light of God shine on us in Africa.

[@mohaubangani1778]

I went through it when I was 18, I can’t say too much but all I can say is we learn a lot there on how to be model men in society. It was an enriching experience.

[@thatothobejane4674]

And also Chitu, it's unlikely that a Xhosa man will answer your questions here. It's a very hush-hush thing that isn't even supposed to be discussed by women and boys🤷‍♀️

[@ChituDiary]

I see one of my subbies say they can’t discuss it, and KZbin deleted it shem

[@nomathemba8688]

@@ChituDiary No Xhosa man will discuss this with you.

[@omastaste]

How come I missed this video....

[@matlalamokgobe175]

My sister next time do research before & remember you a visitor u must draw line and I wander how come you run out of ideas when south African makes news every week,gape o wa re hlola wena

[@anitasworld7007]

But Chitu Baby when are you going to do a house tour for us ?Or you dont want us to see your decor skills??

[@tsietsosutha4863]

My sister, I dont know about Sa but you can never discuss this in Lesotho. Consequences are very heavy.

[@nomathemba8688]

Even in South Africa is the same thing.

[@ChituDiary]

@tsietso sutha I am glad you said you mentioned the countries that practice it, I am a Nigerian and I don’t practice it so i should be able to talk about our diversities

[@tsietsosutha4863]

Iam even saying you cannot talk about how diverse countries are. I was just saying that no person residing in Lesotho could not have discussed the issue to that level. It is clear that it is different in South Africa

[@cherishedoliviaTV]

Some do it during winter at the doctors practice aswell not just in the mountains

[@ChituDiary]

Sis I miss you

[@tozamilefunani]

No Xhosa man will ever be circumcised in hospital! It’s totally forbidden..

[@nomathemba8688]

@@tozamilefunani Who is going to marry hospital man lol

[@tozamilefunani]

@@nomathemba8688 hahahahaa just imagine 🤣🤣🤣

[@siphokolanisi6186]

Says some choose to take their boys to a doctor but that's not our culture. If doing according, no boy dies during circumcision .

[@thulanibida6677]

In South Africa 🇿🇦 it’s man ..... but it Nigeria 🇳🇬 its woman google that 😆

[@judithsconcept]

OMG circumcising at that age will be too painful, it’s really a big cultural shook

[@SPrincessbeneficialknowledge]

Oh wow😳 I .just believe get done as a baby. Otherwise it becomes a real painful operation. Looking nice in green. Female circ is a no no at any age. Fully watch

[@loveelizabethese]

Isn't only south African that is doing it,I'm from Delta state worri Nigeria and my brother go through it too in my tradition your child most be at list up 10 years or more before the dey do it, then the faml will get pregnant first be they do it too thanks for sharing new family here

[@anitasworld7007]

But chitu , my friend from Delta State told me they do theirs at 14 .Please reserch and tell us. Not every one subscribes to the Abrahamic Religions.

[@Bree-gp5ps]

That's very sensitive topic you have discussing about our Rituals, you didn't have anything maybe that you can talk about ? I will respectfully ask you to respect our Rituals. Thank you.

[@ChituDiary]

I can’t remember disrespecting South African culture because I am not even South African, secondly this is a platform where I talk and share my cultural experiences yebo?

[@queationsanswers9525]

What if someone very close to you respectfully disagreed? Respect can be earned elsewhere, just remember that.

[@sakhumzitima3213]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣I can't stop laughing, this one is epic, how you tell it...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@josephineaji]

There’s more to this story ooo that cannot even be discussed openly in that sense. I have a doctor friend that did a research on this same topic sometimes ago and what he found out about this particular topic is really disheartening. There’s more to it😟 I just hope the people should get more enlightenment. There are many things human beings do all in the name of culture that are naturally inhumane not to talk of the spiritual implications. It is really well.

[@ChituDiary]

Did you friend write an article of it, if yes please share let me see oh

[@mahlatse8605]

In SA there are medical doctors and registered initiation schools. It's heavily regulated so that traditions don't die for no reason. It's not just about being circumcised

[@thato596]

Josephine ajibola what is inhuman about the practice ?

[@ifwatchannel6953]

Have u seen female circumcision?

[@zwelimthembu2586]

I follow your channel and stuff and love your videos but I don't think you should talk about our initiation schools , we take it very seriously and for you to talk about it like this is disheartening, I love your vids but ma'am please don't discuss this matter next time , especially as a women please ma'am just for respect of our culture, hope you take it well thanks.

[@thato596]

People who also speak Sesotho also go to lebolong. I think the reason why children do not go to lebolong . It is because you can not call a 11 year boy a man. Basotho teach you how to become responsible men and be respectful. There is a lot teaching going on.

[@jabulanithema1467]

The Department of Health has a programme called Male Medical Circumcision (MMC). Nowadays DoH partner with traditional leaders to assist with safe MMC. The programme also accommodate people who stay in urban areas. The procedure is done under home anesthesia so the pain is minimal. Some people take chances and operate the illegal initiation schools, hence the are casualties. The police close down such schools as soon as they get information. Circumcision is part of the initiation school but it is not the only reason boys go to the school. What happen at the initiations school, remains there. If a man is not initiated, he is regarded as a boy, and there are things he will never get involved on. Next time please talk about traditional marriage in SA. people get married in a wrong way (wrong according to our cultures). It would be interesting if you can make a panel of different ethnic groups to explain the process.

[@lisohl7258]

You will be pressured by your son more than anybody because the life will not going to be easy for him out there

[@ChituDiary]

Happy new year lisoh

[@vat81]

"you choose not to do it?" if your son is Xhosa and he doesn't go through it he will be regarded as a boy forever.

[@ifechifamily]

What!! Can't believe what am hearing. Cultural differences but this one eh hmmm!!

[@mastermind6248]

I did it at the age of 12 not 18 and not me but others going to the mantain but some like us we going to surgery but Zulu don't do it totally about it unless if they have changed Not Xhosa only but All South African cultures

[@peacemathebula3597]

No it’s not 18 even 11 years it’s allowed

[@vat81]

Xhosa people do it at 18. But other tribes do it at younger ages

[@peacemathebula3597]

That pain will teach you how to be strong as a men and stand for your pain that’s why you called men because you manage to stand for a pain. Don’t you wonder why we South African always stand for pains 🤭. That’s a very painful thing to do trust me I know

[@ChituDiary]

Haibo peace, living life is pain itself

[@peacemathebula3597]

@@ChituDiary I know but that practice is specific to men hood learn to stand for your pain as a men that’s what we believe

[@MaroEvans]

Wow this is serious 🥵🥵🥵

[@ChituDiary]

Happy new year bro

[@liancuty]

this is alot ooooo😱

[@kevinemmanuel8525]

Chitu you can't discuss it boo boo

[@frankxolanidlamini4111]

@ Emmanuel Kevin no it is strictly forbidden for women to talk about this!!! Y’all should know the boundaries sometimes

[@kevinemmanuel8525]

@@frankxolanidlamini4111 I meant cant

[@queationsanswers9525]

@@kevinemmanuel8525 What will you do? Beat her and anyone else? It must really feel good to be able to dictate to people hey ?! Maybe your cut numbed not only the pain of life and adversity but also your ability to be sensitive to other people's feelings on the matter... It's hard not to see the level of control and erasure this can and has brought forth. You may be a man now after the cut, but your emotional intelligence is still that of a child. Was it worth it? Shame...

[@kevinemmanuel8525]

@@queationsanswers9525 respectively shut up

[@lylecosmopolite]

It is not at all true that newborns do not experience intense pain when they are circumcised. Two major problems with Xhosa circumcision: it is performed (1) without anesthesia, and (2) under unsanitary conditions.

[@nomathemba8688]

Did you witness that to make that conclusion?

[@lylecosmopolite]

@@nomathemba8688 The intense pain suffered by many American boys cut when they are 2-4 days old, is amply documented in the American medical literature, and by eyewitness accounts. Last century, anesthesia was never used. This century, anesthesia (lidocaine) is used a fair fraction of the time, and is strongly recommended by the American Academy of Paediatrics. South African English language newspapers have articles about the dangers of traditional circumcision, when teenage boys and the men who cook for the boys, and cut them, go out into the veld for a long weekend. About 10-20 boys die every year. Others have seriously damaged penises. The number of boys with contract septic infections proves that the cutting is done under unsanitary conditions.

[@tozamilefunani]

@alnot01 stay out of things you know nothing about!

[@lylecosmopolite]

@@tozamilefunani 1. How do you know what I know and do not know? 2. I invite you to lead by example. 3. Are you a South African who reads the South African press?

[@tozamilefunani]

@@lylecosmopolite you get your “truth” from press?! I still maintain do not comment on something you know nothing about! Even that press of yours knows nothing about Xhosa Circumcision..

[@kevinemmanuel8525]

Abasi mbok

[@ChituDiary]

Yes, it’s a culture here for some people and they follow strictly

[@Naijawife]

And the woman 🙈🤭 🤣🤣🤣🤣 why only the men?

[@ChituDiary]

It happens to women too???

[@Naijawife]

@@ChituDiary no its different I just thought it would be interesting if you explained the woman side as well. Ask your Xhosa friend naaaa am not Xhosa

[@nomathemba8688]

@@Naijawife I am a Xhosa and there is no woman side about this. We don’t do no circumcision as women. Maybe you are talking about something called ukuthomba

[@nomathemba8688]

@@ChituDiary It doesn’t happen to women

[@neo-mpax436]

Lol 🤣🤣😅 where did you get that info🤔 your friend just brushed you off 🤷🏾‍♂️ sorry! I'll tell what I know though, if you follow up on this topic you'll loose your mind and why🤷🏾‍♂️ no witch doctor can explain it it's Godly or satanic 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@chimamparoland6614]

Why does everything have to be a hassle with this people? She’s not even a South African and if people who visit South Africa don’t talk about their experiences and cultures how do we know?? I remember that ghana guy once talked about cultures of South Sudan and others and the people were excited their cultures is on the internet. Why must South African issues be a hassle all the time???? If she didn’t put this out I would never have known and I worked briefly in South Africa for almost 16months.

[@travis975]

Sometimes I feel sad hearing Nigerians talk… it’s like their culture has been replaced with Christianity or Islam

[@siyabulelagula4615]

You've already overstepped your boundary by hitting that upload button. Besides its not up to anyone but the boy and his father to decide when and how. So yes its totally based on free will and as a man who has partaken in this life changing experience I would like to say I have no regrets at all by choosing the path I've taken to manhood 🤞. 🫳🎤