Mammina Cara Mommie Dearest Christina Crawford Lorenzo Botta Paolo Limiti Joan Crawford

Surviving Mommie Dearest #Tratto dalla trasmissione " Ci Vediamo in Tv " condotta da Paolo Limiti, di giovedì 18/02/99,l'incontro fra Christina Crawford ed il più grande fan di sua madre, Joan Crawford: Lorenzo Botta.
#Taken from the show "We see in TV" conducted by Paolo Limiti, Thursday 18/02/99, the meeting between Christina Crawford and the biggest fan of his mother, Joan Crawford: Lorenzo Botta.

[@rfldnz6487]

bellissima trasmissione, altrochè lo schifo di oggi!

[@marcoslucano3328]

Indimenticabile Paolo Limiti!!!!

[@nicolaterranova8172]

A prescindere dalle ipotetiche manie isteriche penso che Joan Crawford fosse una delle attrici più versatili mai esistite. Quand ero piccino mi inquietava il suo personaggio ma crescendo ho riscoperto un forte interesse verso le sue interpretazioni

[@giasschiv]

@Fabio DTK Per fortuna! Era ora!

[@francescoperronestorico]

Programmi istruttivi, programmi che rilassavano. Una televisione che non vedremo più...

[@mattiabianchi]

adoro joan crawford

[@LABARITONESSA]

Ma che bello! Grande lorenzo!

[@lorenzomovie]

EMILY BARITONO grazie 🙏☺️

[@mattiabianchi]

adoro paolo limiti

[@lorenzomovie]

Mattia Bianchi Quanto mi manca 😔❤️ ....

[@quandovoceleroscomentarios6886]

Sei bello Mattia

[@LaBelleDanse]

Delicious irony that the live television audience seems as sympathetic to Joan as they do to Christina, if not moreso.

[@mattiabianchi]

mi manca la tv di limiti

[@carowells1607]

And it's sometimes hard for people who have been abused to give any other accused parent even the slightest benefit of the doubt. I can't tell you how many comments I've read that said something along the lines of, "I was abused by my mom, so I know for a fact that Joan Crawford abused her children" or "Anyone who doesn't believe this abuse happened is in denial." Whether Christina was 100% truthful or not, to many who knew her, Joan was still a loyal, loving, decent, kind & generous person.

[@TheGuillermo519]

I read the book and many of the things she claimed were abuse were just how parents disaplined their children in that era.I believe Joan Crawford was a complex woman with many sides and maybe the same can be said of her daughter Christina.

[@calvertvaux5061]

Bette Davis saw nothing. She and Crawford never socialized nor did their children. I've seen the MDA clip. Please think about it for a moment. Joan was the "celebrity" who was asked to be on the telethon. Christina was not a celebrity & nobody was asking her to be on telethons. Joan herself brought Christina along. If she wanted to hide Christina away, why would Joan bring her? In fact, Joan was giving her still-aspiring-actress daughter a little free publicity. Joan often got her jobs.

[@djbethell]

Yeah, thtat's it. It's such a brilliant and hilarious book.

[@japnikki]

i love mommie dearest move of a legend nows days!

[@emanuelruggeri4117]

Ciao.Sono un grande fan di Joan,la più grande attrice in assoluto e ti volevo chiedere se fosse possibile avere la puntata intera. Caso mai ci sentiamo anche in privato se vuoi,attraverso mail. Per caso hai in italiano,quali films di Joan degli anni'30? Grazie

[@lorenzomovie]

Thanks Josephine Roe ;-) ............. !!!!

[@mspinkytee]

@kcirish The evidence is that the daughter said it is true. If Christina has made money off of her pain, then it is her right to do so. Her family!

[@fuifua]

SHE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE IN HER MOTHER´S SHADOW. WHAT A SHAME..

[@marcoslucano3328]

Grande Lorenzo!!!!!!!

[@lorenzomovie]

Bittoriu Ispanedda grazie 🙏🏻☺️

[@SWSimpson]

... and Christina would be most like, in real life, Veda Pierce, from Joan Crawford's film "Mildred Pierce." Sorry, Tina, you never will be able to live up to being Joan Crawford's daughter.

[@upcycle]

@moonraise what is the name of that book? I wud like to check it out.

[@Niniane17]

Remeber that Mommie Dearest wasn't told from an objective point of view, so, yes, people are allowed to doubt a little about all the facts. Things tends to seem bigger and worse when you are a child, and we can't be sure that EVERYTHING Christina wrote was true.

[@OfficialYmaSumac]

@xendreja Where did you see this? I find that extremely hard to believe. Extremely. What was the exact publication or television show, where you actually saw or heard Christina say that she "make it all up and exaggerated a lot" ?

[@scottyfilmbuff]

In the words of Myrna Loy to Joan. "Is it to late to send her back?"

[@paulj0557tonehead]

Joan was never a sell out. Never!

[@cmcb09]

I wish I new more Italian, only understand a little bit of this. Christina looks great though.

[@calvertvaux5061]

It's also interesting how all the comments that are popular (the ones that have lots of thumbs up votes one minute), and positive toward Joan, are quickly voted back down to nothing. Hmmmm, are the Joan Crawford haters really around in such large numbers? Or are they just really, really insecure??? Let's see how fast this comment fades...I for one am voting myself UP:)

[@calvertvaux5061]

No offense, but is this a reading comprehension issue? Because obviously I am well aware of Christina's many, many outrageous claims against Joan. Also, obviously, I was not randomly addressing these. I was specifically addressing what YOU claimed; namely that "there were many other celebrities that were witness to Joan's abuse of Christina." This, as I previously noted, is simply untrue. There are in fact no known CELEBRITIES (nor anyone else) who witnessed any actual abuse. This is fact.

[@blahdavid]

I think this book might be called "The Divine Feud"? I read this and it's amazing!!

[@OfficialYmaSumac]

@LuluBelle1968 If it's all in the past, what is she doing in this show?

[@eugenekozma2697]

This is interesting to see christina in this.that guy sure worships joan crawford.

[@smokingsections]

What movie was that? I've never seen Joan in that movie!

[@Marketoromagnolo]

ciao x caso hai tutta la puntata

[@nourbutwatmi]

Yeah mom used to beat me with anything she could get her hands on, she was possibly the meanest women I've ever known and you know what, I thank her everyday for it because it made me a person that didn't take shit from anyone and I thank her for that...so for all you bleeding hearts who don't believe in disciplining your children may I say "get a life" you're the very reason that nobody's responsible for their actions, it's always somebody elses fault.

[@calvertvaux5061]

Sorry, but this is simply not true. Some celebrities made rather vague accusations, some saying she was extremely strict at times (Joan herself fully admitted being way TOO strict) but nobody ever witnessed the awful abuse Christina described. Helen Hayes came the closest, but she only said that Joan was so strict with some of her discipline of her son that she herself thought it could border on "cruel." None of them saw anything that, at that time anyway, would generally considered "abusive."

[@moonraise]

@joeinparis read the book that the twins wrote about their mother and siblings. You may change your mind.

[@ataylorprod]

@myrnaloysboy you can ask the same question about Tina Turner

[@kcirish]

@ClearlyBored1 Christina only released the book AFTER her mothers death and finding she was left nothing in the will, when she knew she cound not defend herself against Christinas lies. Christina was entitled to nothing, it was Joans will and her choice, end of story. Both "children" had cut themselves off from their mother years before, so why include them in her will? No one has backed up Christinas lies, even those said to have been abused. Its Christina that was the monster, insane monster.

[@fabryddorf]

Hey ma tu allora sei proprio un fan doc, addirittura hai ancorntrato la figlia. Mi faccio fare un autografo quando ti vedo! :-)

[@djbethell]

No worries ; ) Have you read the book called "Joan and Bette"? It's a real eye-opener to the true Joan (and the true Bette) neither being particularly pleasant people, I'm afraid... but it is a very amusing book with many laugh-out-loud moments. Enjoy.

[@upcycle]

@Jessica8674 so right.. and interestingly things like small video cams and the internet are exposing this abusive behavior from time to time.. one of the most recent examples is the judge that was videotaped beating his daughter.. and the mother who participated in this crime.. and the problem the daughter and the mother/wife had is that the guy was a judge.. a law enforcement official. Similarly JC had seemingly massive power and could destroy careers in Hollywood for anyone that spoke out.

[@juliusmaloney]

@myrnaloysboy I am in absolute agreement...Change your name & move to Pasadena...

[@thecolaratlady]

@buffyspike1 Right, her book Mommy Dearest was packed with pure bs, instead of making her own way, she sued Joan's estate,wanted mom to support her forever., Joan didnt owe her a damn thing.

[@josephineroe8424]

Si prega di perdonare la mia terribile traduzione :) Non mi piace Christina, ma sembrava bello in questa intervista - meglio di quanto appare al solito. Tuttavia, il signor Botta, che sembrava assolutamente stupendo! Con quel viso e quegli occhi, si potrebbe essere una star del cinema.

[@lorenzomovie]

Josephine Roe GRAZIE 🙏🏻☺️❤️

[@luverdude]

THE AUTHUM LEAVES : ITALIAN VERSION

[@kcirish]

@upcycle There has never been any evidence than or now of any of the claims that Joans daughter made and no other person has said they were ready to stand in court to say otherwise. The above clip shows, Joans adopted daughter has continued to try to cash in on her mothers name. If these claims were made today, she would not loose anything, as there needs to be proof, ofwhich there has never been any, just here-say and a money making book read by people too willing to believe anything

[@Jessica8674]

@joeinparis You are so right. People always say Joan was a good person based on her talent and stardom but that doesn't have to do anything with her being a good mother. My mom was an example in the comunity, raising her children alone but she would hit us with broom sticks, her high heels, she would choke us, throw large objects at us, scare us to death (I'm not joking) , but she never touched my brother. I guess it's difficult to understand something you haven't seen or experienced.

[@djbethell]

Are you living in fantasy land?

[@etexman020202]

There were actually many other celebrities that were witness to Joans abuse of christina. (kirk Douglas said she was like a drill sergeant. But as Faye Dunaway said, "only those two know what went on in that relationship". Christina described the wire hanger incident and told it differently than portrayed in the movie. this caused me to take "pause".

[@kcirish]

Her mother was so evil and so abusive to her, that she still use's her name to cash in, 30 plus years after her death. Christina, your such an awful example of a person. She only wrote that book after her mothers death and after she collected her inheritance, funny that!!!

[@josephineroe8424]

Votando contro questo commento, sono persone che cercano di dire che il signor Botta non è bello? Perché, se è così, allora penso che queste persone sono completamente pazzo.

[@nourbutwatmi]

botcha la goo

[@upcycle]

@myrnaloysboy JC was a big time narcisist.. go look it up.. she fits all the classic signs of it.. and her interviews help affirm it. Christina is fortunate to have made the life she had IN SPITE of being raised by JC.

[@OfficialYmaSumac]

One has to wonder if this avid collector had Mommie Dearest in his collection?! If so, he should know what the LAST thing Christina wants to do is go through photo albums of the woman she wrote about as an *alleged* abuser, and fawn all over them. She even mentioned guys like him in the book! I love Joan Crawford madly, as a woman and an actress--but this clip seems very, very awkward to me.

[@etexman020202]

as christina told in an interview: at a small party Joan was giving, christina and christopher had been playing and christina accidentally slammed her brothers hand in a door she had closed. Christopher was crying and Joan took christinas hand and slammed hers in the door as punishment. one man at the party became physically ill at seeing what took place...

[@pconde619]

hellllooooo? Are you serious? What ever happened to baby Jane!!! it's on KZbin! Shame on you! Shame!

[@djbethell]

SHRINA17 I was replying to 4MaryAnna (someone quite deluded), so I'm not quite sure how you read it as a reply to you. I thing Christina is a very fine woman unlike her hellish mother.

[@Maylana11]

@krasnaliza. How absolutely dreadful to be treated badly and have no-one to help. I so hope you have a better life now. Sending love to you XXX

[@ataylorprod]

@myrnaloysboy No, but it was her own, her FAMILY name. She should not have to change it out of fear that she would be criticized. "Because it is my name! Because I cannot have another in my life! How may I live without my name? I have given you my soul, leave me my name!"

[@upcycle]

@Bombeni You must be a masochist to watch something that you claim you can't stand. Or perhaps your inner self is seeking help and healing from abuse you experienced as a child.

[@upcycle]

@TheFood1011 seems that that is what you are doing, speaking up for other people and their motives and intentions. What lies are you running from? They will always find you.

[@carowells1607]

LOL @ "go look it up." I mean, we all form opinions based on what we read, see and hear, but considering how many different ways people view Joan Crawford, just looking it up won't ever prove any one viewpoint. I would just add that none of us who didn't actually know and directly interact with Joan Crawford in life, could possibly diagnose her alleged "personality disorders" after her death. All such diagnoses made by random amateurs are speculative & totally silly. Go look it up:)

[@nicolaspezzangora]

Christina was the first and the only random amateur of the diagoses...she looks here right what she is: a manager and creater of a productive boom ...

[@Eloise1120]

Ciò che ha scritto la figlia potrebbe non essere vero ma è il vissuto di un bambino appunto Che ha subito un trauma.E poi c'è anche peggio in giro,molto peggio...

[@upcycle]

@Jessica8674 I have been researching soimething called "The Slave Community".. And it is a kind of pattern of behavior that gets passed on generation to generation.. they often use things like doing traumatic things to a child to make them afraid.. or to hurt them physically. What we now know is that his can do emotional damage to a child.. this can show up as mental illness and/or sociopaths, such as narcissism, which JC exhibited. Which is what also made her charismatic.

[@wildnites558]

Bette Davis saw some of the abuse too. There is a video currently on KZbin of the 1968 MDA telethon with Jerry Lewis. Jerry introduces Joan who reads a poem then makes a generous contribution. Joan then introduces Christina to the telethon audience -- you can clearly hear the disgust in her voice. After Christina comes out smiles and shakes Jerry's hand, Joan (who just can't bare being upstaged) yanks Christina by the hand and hastily leads her offstage. A brief glimpse of the "real" Joan.

[@ContrastY]

Get over what?

[@dh1267]

Tina, such a mess,

[@upcycle]

@ContrastY i think you are on to something about the idea that JC used her children for publicity. I found it quite puzzling that she never had any biological children as well.. Also, it is interesting to note that purportedly she liked to be called "Billy" as a child. I am wondering if she may have been intersexed and unable to bear children.

[@436543]

@myrnaloysboy becuz she mistreated christina

[@spspraul]

Hey you Tool!!! Unless you've been abused to the extent that she was...you have absolutely no right at all to dictate what she should or should not say or do.....If this speeds the healing process, and helps her to get the message and horror of abuse out to the public...then more power to her...Her mother was a demon, and deserves anything and everything that is said about her.

[@paobologna]

La pazza clerico-fascista della Paoletta Limiti ha fatto davvero uno scoop... Incredibile...

[@playgirlc]

yeah! people should be allowed to abuse their kids, especially if they're famous! sheesh, the girl was abused - why would she lie about it? surely it's easier to be nice about her mother if she wasn't abusive. joan was a great actress but an evil, vindictive person.

[@angito7774]

Tutte cavolate ha scritto su joan crawford gli altri figli hanno smentito tutto ha voluto solo calunniarla figlia adottiva ingrata