Man United's Mess, Terrible Timekeeping & The Joy Of Late Goals | EP 20

Have Manchester United got a culture problem and if so can Erik ten Hag sort it out? Gary, Micah and Alan examine the problems at a club with so many players under public scrutiny. Alan describes the challenges of enforcing good timekeeping on a difficult dressing room and Micah wonders whether the players are enjoying the longer playing time this season quite as much as the fans are.
00:00 - Intro
00:33 - How was your weekend?
02:09 - Man Utd's "Traumatic" start of the season
04:26 - What does 'bad club culture' feel like?
09:59 - Why do managers get scapegoated?
10:52 - Toxic culture at Aston Villa (Micah)
13:00 - What should Ten Hag do to fix the culture?
14:08 - Brighton is Amazing
17:30 - Is Extra time good?
19:24 - When Gary met Ange Postecoglou...
20:55 - Richarlison regaining confidence
22:24 - Goal 'dry spells'
25:01 - Mental Health crisis' in Football
28:38 - Chelsea...
32:16 - Jurgen Klopp press conference
33:57 - What is it like to be left out
36:40 - Cruyff v Gary at Barca
39:39 - South American qualifications
40:34 - Gary Lineker Bizarre training for 1986 World Cup
42:52 - The Walker of Wall Street

[@leonardtan9407]

Can't stop myself laughing when Alan thanked Postecoglou for selling Harry Kane. Gonna be a running gag for some time!

[@matthewsheen4057]

Pure class 😂

[@DavidHilton-hy7qk]

Domdamon4669 😂😂 someone still bitter 😂😂

[@JJ-rb2vr]

Only spurs fans think the season is done after 5 games 🙄

[@godseye13k]

They have played no one yet. They have had many good starts. Just like many many teams have. Question is are they really better we shall see as it goes on. If they didnt have a boost frok a new manager they would be screwed before it even got started.

[@magik410]

Look at these haters 🤢 you guys like this sport for the wrong reason

[@dannyharris527]

Honestly the best idea these 3 going out and doing this on their own terms

[@kcjones89]

I love that line from Shearer "To be early is to be on time. To be on time is to be late and to be late is fuxking unacceptable" 😅

[@tendaichibwe4293]

Appreciate the bond , banter , analysis and stories thank you guys

[@paullawrence1077]

Hi guys I've only just started watching and listening to you on KZbin, I have to say I at times suffer with severe depression and also PTSD, from being in the forces young lad in northern Ireland. You guys have got me through some uncomfortable times when I'm low and feeling down. Keep up the great work, and just wanna say thanks, I've been in stitches laughing at you 3. Especially big Meeks, he's absolutely hilarious an I'm hard to please, I'm a Scouser. Great stuff guys

[@MrDjslater]

love how honest micah is

[@epm3929]

Goes to show how incredible sir Alex ferguson was both on and off the pitch ever since he retired the club hasn't been the same

[@godseye13k]

Neither has the world, or the game, or the pampered fairys that now play.

[@willbancroft8918]

Fergie wouldn’t survive in this modern day

[@achiriemmanuel9220]

yet he survived three generations of players. Such an ignorant comment. @@willbancroft8918

[@yttommy76]

History repeating itself post busby. Was inevitable

[@1pinhead84]

Shearer nailed it. You have to look at the owners for the clubs current crisis. The club is Toxic and they're to blame.

[@dreamer2355]

These podcasts are absolutely amazing!. So much laughter and joy!. Thank you so much!

[@JoySuZest1990]

Sweary Shearer is always speaking sense and I love him for it even more the absolute legend!!

[@stevegordon2032]

A great podcast this. Three different characters. Say what you like about Lineker but all in all he is a class act.

[@spongebabe27]

That Brighton 16.2m... they're not overhyping it, in this market that is absolutely mind-blowing

[@subhanduberia]

Love watching this podcast keep it coming the onscreen chemistry is so real comes across so well without all the rules of bbc or any other broadcasting companies

[@duncanmacphee200]

I've been saying this for years - ManUtd are no longer a footballing force. No one was ever going to replace Ferguson and, instead of having a 5-year plan of rebuilding from scratch, they've run around like headless chickens. Maybe it's time for Ferguson to step away from the club, because his shadow still looms large, being a constant reminder of past glories.

[@godseye13k]

No this is all Ronald's fault dont forget. 🙄

[@PRCOM]

Well said, your 100% correct l. Ferguson still being involved is not helping the club at all

[@lukecampbell985]

10/10 comment

[@Fardok]

Fantastic podcast. Best football podcast out here especially since Tifo stopped their's

[@mjjl9607]

Your chemistry is outstanding ❤

[@MH-vp7lf]

Ten Hag has his faults too but we've been here before, first Moyes was the main issue, then LVG, then Mourinho, then ole, when are certain players that have been here for 7 or 8 years held accountable, board members?

[@GIBBO4182]

100% agree

[@realdjoffski7201]

I blame the sausage in the logo.

[@carlspice4019]

What players been there for that long?

[@bruce_leon1044]

Moyes wasn't an issue, he was never given a chance. The only person who wanted moyes at the club was SAF. Moyes' days were numbered the moment he signed the contract.

[@bernardo9202]

Phil Jones, Maguire coming to age, Dalot is there about 5/6 years (not any part of the problem) are the only ones that come to mind. Not many @@carlspice4019

[@michaelfawole9974]

Another good episode and really enjoyed the flow of this one, keep them coming fellas.

[@KDBAO]

Ive stumbled upon this podcast through youtube shorts, i dont have a huge interest or indeed any knowledge about football, that said I obviously know Gary & Alan. But by ek, im loving this pod cast. 3 mates who all know their subject, all with fantastic anekdotes and banter between them all, its just great. Thanks for putting it together. The production is great, the hosting is top notch and it is incredibly great viewing.

[@grantbrindley2993]

Absolute quality lads ,Fucking fantastic listen / Watch. Very much appreciated & Thank you ❤️

[@nikprior8280]

My favourite channel now! - keep it up lads, love it

[@TC8787-yq7og]

My whole opinion on Shearer has changed because of this podcast, I used to think he was a bland and fairly miserable bloke but he's got a great sense of humour

[@davidramishvili9696]

Nice one lads! Keep up the good work!

[@LucasFontanillaManjarres]

Have to say I love this podcast too much, can't wait for each epissode!

[@abuwilliams7228]

Same feeling every week

[@readventurekids]

Alan's brilliant. I'd run through a wall for that guy.

[@mbplayz3170]

Another brilliant episode well done lads keep it up!!

[@donkingbong420]

How did you watch it all in 2 minutes it out 15 mins ago😊

[@mbplayz3170]

@@donkingbong420 cos I already knew it was gonna be brilliant did it disappoint? 😇

[@punctualwizard]

Grew up with a similar phrase as Alan’s imprinted on me since I could remember : There is no such thing as “on time”, you’re either late or you’re early.

[@littlejim223]

Ten hag spent like 370 mil got nothing at all to do with glazers Brighton squad cost just 18 mil

[@scottishjp5082]

i love this podcast so much i do wish they added wrighty as a fourth as i think him with micah would be hillarious but overall please no matter what dont stop this podcast

[@TheBranjoez]

Rashford who is Sancho's mate, was fine for coming in late and he was professional enough to not repeat it again. Sancho needs to big up. As a manager, I certainly want my staff to come in on time because there are rules in the building. Usually, the best staff are the most punctual ones because they take their job seriously and professionally.

[@yingyang1008]

Sancho wasn't late

[@degeautdfanfirst]

​@@yingyang1008rashford was but he turn up in training I could blame ten hag if was sancho first time

[@godseye13k]

The only reason Rashford didnt get that treatment was beacuse he needed him. He didnt need Ronaldo he does not want Maguire and he does not like Sancho, this is obvs.

[@johneden3810]

Brilliant as usual lads. Laughing out loud at work 😂

[@markwilliamson660]

Class as usual lads, brilliant ❤

[@Stratboy999]

Well done lads. Very entertaining.

[@Lukecaseyshaw]

Loving the podcast, someone get Alan some acoustic pannels for just birthday or something. Will soak up those echo’s a treat!

[@BULLETPROOFMINK]

Most sense I’ve heard spoken about man united ownership from shearer a non- man united fan!! Loving the podcast lads

[@charliearnold4706]

Some great stories from you guys. Being a Saints supporter, I need cheering up. Keep up the good work.

[@robinwallace1399]

Excellent podcast subscribed😉

[@NECinho]

Great show. I just cant imagine Linekar playing as a winger. I was lucky enough to see Gary and Gazza play at Maine Road in the early 90's. Gazza scored a nice goal, cassic Hummel yellow kit. The white one was a thing of beauty too.

[@ayyt5221]

In football at some point you will lose games but it's how quick you can recover. Mindset is key & Victory is the door.

[@matthewsheen4057]

Shearer thanking ange was class made me chuckle ❤ haaland exists tho Alan 😂

[@ih8utoob51]

Haaland will be long gone before he gets there hes of to madrid end of contract

[@1cpcook1]

Glad to finally see Brighton getting some love from the guys!

[@g-e9513]

I think saying that United aren’t playing well because of the Glazer situation is a cop out. And at the end of the day United have spent a ridiculous amount on players

[@alisoyupak2730]

City just won the treble and also outspent us loool meanwhile we’re loaning players🤣 playing shit but cos we have shit players, all trickles down from the top

[@g-e9513]

@@alisoyupak2730 near on every starting 11 player you have you bought for 50mil+ no?

[@degeautdfanfirst]

Billion spent by Chelsea how many managers gone through already 3 poch soon be 4 ya money automatically =success why aren't other clubs above Brighton then

[@degeautdfanfirst]

​@@alisoyupak2730exactly sack few more managers they still not get it

[@degeautdfanfirst]

5 loans signings by Manchester United imagine that what big clubs have 1 loan player nevermind 5

[@nathannavachenja3513]

Gaining traction towards being the best football podcast at the moment...kudos

[@moneyman2200]

This pod should already be at 500,000 to a million subscirbers... folks are lost.

[@tropicaltrev1617]

Ten Hag calling out Sancho was a great deflection from his 90 million signing having to go back to Brazil to fight sexual assault allegations. The focus has been on Sancho ever since!

[@degeautdfanfirst]

Leave one to the courts thanks

[@rickymurray]

I’m really enjoying this podcast

[@craigheath8591]

Luv this podcast keep it up lads so funny

[@unknowncontributor5804]

Great Great Podcast guys!

[@FortressArena]

DON'T BE *BLEEPING* LATE THEN!!! 🤣🤣🤣 Wonderful podcast, perfect listen while working out on the exercise bike.

[@iainfenton4671]

Best football podcast out there by quite a long way now. Was never much a fan of you Gary but your personality comes out much more on these podcasts and it's great to see.

[@darrenwoolley8433]

Another great podcast loved Micah's story about Remi Garde.

[@robsadler3311]

😂😂 love this podcast lineker is a legend only striker I hated Liverpool playing against as a kid and was amazing for England

[@MsButterflygirl101]

Yet another cracking episode.

[@abhaswanchu]

Great pod as always!

[@GIBBO4182]

You haven’t even watched the video yet, it’s only been posted 8 minutes

[@abhaswanchu]

@@GIBBO4182 it's been out on Spotify

[@GIBBO4182]

@@abhaswanchufair enough

[@iShawnavon]

Really appreciate this podcast and the brilliant coverage. Thank you gentlemen. Question for you all, Who do you guys feel are the best cdm players over the last 30 years?

[@OceanSpaceman]

If you care to go back forty/thirty years John Wark

[@safe3220]

Busquets, Rijkaard, Makelele, Alonso, Sammer, Rodri and Pirlo come to mind I wouldn't really include the likes of Keane, Davids, Gattuso, Vieira and Kante, much more like box to box players.

[@mellowfellow7604]

Fabrizio Romano said the best CDM over the last 20-30 years is Casemiro

[@drevil3559]

I must admit I was fascinated by Gary’s glasses. He looked like a startled owl.

[@johnbriggs2409]

Thought the white patches were reflection at first but probably steaming up due to the lighting.

[@mad3031]

Love the pod! Small note, Lima is at sea level. Quito and La Paz are at altitude. 🌎 😂

[@peasnburley7496]

Great point about Sterling

[@shanewhelan7978]

Absolutely love this show ❤

[@rootsraf]

Spot on Alan 😂 I'm always 5 or 10 minutes early for work. If I arrive on time I count it late 😂

[@Chris-construction]

Still prefer the overlap but it’s refreshing listening to the stories they share even if I did here half of them on bbc sounds

[@XboneMalone]

Re Sancho & what Micah said: maybe Ten Hag has grown tired of dealing with Sancho with an arm round the shoulder as it hasn't produced results over the past year (already given him time off to get things right in Holland, probably tried other stuff too) and this was the final straw for a player, no doubt outrageously talented, who hasn't twigged if the rumours are true about time keeping. It's been said elsewhere, but maybe a public statement, however innocuous he felt it was, was an effort to provoke a spark. Clearly Sancho didn't see it that way.

[@yingyang1008]

He wasn't late

[@degeautdfanfirst]

Far better plauers than sancho faded away

[@joshdo2437]

I f****** love you Alan, my mom taught me the same about punctuality and I agree with you if regular people can be fired for being late, why do they get to be exceptions just cause they are athletes

[@NoFrictionZone]

I would love to ask Alan, how was it playing with Tino? Love the podcast!

[@mattsmith4589]

35:01 Ohh hell yea I remember that monster Nigel De Jong 🤣😭😭🤣 absolutely loved him he kicked and smashed folks left and right. He even gave I think Rooney a kick to the chest and only got a yellow

[@gunslinger1005]

18:03 simple answer if the players don’t like long matches: STOP WASTING TIME 😂 All we need is a clock like they have in rugby where is stops if the ball isn’t in play. We would never get past 90 mins.

[@minimead368]

I find the quite funny how Alan Shearer ton changes when he talks about Jadon Sancho and how he talks about Richarlison. The contradiction in sympathy is ironic when he adds his own experience in

[@Kspat2]

No put any top manager in at United and they will fail. Until all of the rotten eggs are moved out this will be a continual cycle. These players get managers sacked for fun and to shift blame.

[@bailey9746]

I'm with Alan on the timekeeping thing 😂

[@nat90957.]

It's funny that Alan Shearer and Roy Keane are both so obsessed with being early.

[@neilt1889]

Its easy to get rid of added time just stop the clock as they do in Ice Hockey when the play stops then you only play 90mins

[@alisoyupak2730]

They stop the clock and just add it on at the end it’s the same thing lmao

[@neilt1889]

@@alisoyupak2730 Yes but you are fooled to think its 45mins instead of 45mins +10 👍

[@alisoyupak2730]

@@neilt1889 it’s the same amount played either way mate

[@TheBurdenOfHope]

Minutes are the new currency in football. Not starts. Listen to Arteta - he talks about “starters and finishers” a lot. Indicating he has a squad he thinks can contribute and change games from the bench. Only the very best play every game these days. Messi, Saka, Salah, Kane. The players job is to make sure they’re available when they’re needed. Even if that’s from the bench.

[@lukgray2016]

How the other half live I work as a manager of tesco....I have staff members that show up on time they do the job, I have staff members that show up on time and sometimes struggle and I have staff members that can show up late, do their aisle and still help the stragglers...I'd never take them out the team...sometimes life gets in the way

[@bonbonpick]

Like what Alan said. It's true, until the very top, meaning Glazzers just get the F out of Man United, this issue will always happen and affected players and team as a whole.

[@paulwalker8113]

Could be worse, you could have Ashley in charge

[@anthonymccabe4322]

Yes, Antony and Mason are beating their girlfriends because of the Glazers. Grow up!

[@n4ht4n80]

Terrible defending from Joel glazer on Saturday!

[@danielwebb8402]

The 8 years of glazers ownership had very similar success to the 8 years before that. Since Fergy left the club has had similar, or slightly higher av league position, success as the 10 years before Fergy took over

[@degeautdfanfirst]

It fester and spreads united have got great players and managers last 10 years we are no better

[@rankobarensic]

Tottenham playing luv it❤.West Ham fan here

[@tomastomasi975]

Brightons team cost 16m is crazy in today's game. Whoever their scouts and financial people are, are doing a hella of a job.

[@_Highvalue_]

The best football show ever.

[@fugaziishime]

The boys are back.

[@jeffwalters2493]

Great job men.

[@alaysarumuomasi]

nice one

[@realife1542]

I can’t believe that Brighton whole team was worth 16 mil 🤯

[@novaparadoxx9043]

Manchester United's issues are way above Ten Hag. The problem at United is that the expectation is to compete for the highest honors but the board do not make it easy for the manager to really challenge at all. For example, Maguire staying and signing Evans is shambolic business. If the board are going to make decisions like that then you might as well lower the standards and expectations of United as a whole. You can't expect to win titles making dumb decisions like that time and time again. Just be honest. Top 4 is all United care about nowadays

[@-BuddyGuy]

If Luton had those two players you'd think, hmm ok not great

[@onlydbrasko]

Most of Liverpool's title drought was under an incompetent Arthur Moores who inherited the club from his family. Moores never built anything successful on his own. The Glazer brothers are of the same ilk, never built anything significant on their own. Liverpool's ownership group now comprises of self-made men, one of whom literally grew up in soy bean farm and traded the commodity to make his first millions before forraying into sport ownership and Brighton's owner is of the same ilk.

[@shanginadildo]

I like miccah but it does annoy me how slowly he speaks. It's as if he's saying something so profound the listener needs time to digest his wisdom.

[@danilomartinez880]

😂😂

[@donkingbong420]

He goes into a off topic story and gary has to bring it back he's like a kid micah

[@limi.]

maybe you could make use of the playback feature if you want him to speak faster.

[@realdjoffski7201]

you couldn't live in USA then

[@realdjoffski7201]

Micah preaches football ❤

[@ronero_urvanwar]

Players aren't playing more minutes with the extra time in matches though because teams can change half their team during matches now. Teams regularly make 5 or more changes.

[@josephhall5136]

Its all down to the DOF simple... that aside on pitch performances are down to ETH.

[@williamhargrave9202]

Top top podcast

[@ew20plays12]

Imo Ten hag is the last of the worries at United as mentioned it all stems from the top. how fans after 5 games have turned on the manager already is a joke. the club is poisoned with a toxic fanbase when last season United probably over-achieved. The fact that Ten Hag is the one making most decisions on who they sign is worrying, no top club leaves it all down to the manager its what a recruitment team is for and needing a DOF. It seems fans don't see that and just blame the manager. yes manager can take blame for some things of course but there's far bigger issues that aren't being looked at.

[@kylebuddo]

Literally at the airport going to Peru to climb Machu Picchu. Thanks for the pep talk about how hard altitude is for you elite athletes haha.

[@sarcasticharles]

Let's get this channel to a million subs before the end of the year 😅😅❤

[@jeremywilliams5107]

Ten Hag is Dutch and he has that culture - very open to point of rudeness compared to an Englishman; understanding and able to compromise, which will get interpreted as indecisiveness; very confident of his capabilities and not afraid to state what his team can do, which sounds detached or arrogant if things don't work out. Nevertheless he is a top modern manager. That said, the statistics show that a manager is responsible for 5-10% of the result, the players for the vast majority.

[@yingyang1008]

yeah, and he's signed a bunch of the players for hundreds of millions

[@degeautdfanfirst]

If not performing in training in Holland you won't play end of

[@abdullahabid6019]

Went to finally see Linekers hatrick and all the goals are the most lineker goals you could imagine , 1 tap in , 1 deflected shot and 1vs 1 goal 😂

[@politicallyincorrect2564]

Lineker needs to talk about the fair play award he got for never being booked in his entire career?

[@spongebabe27]

These videos are censored now? That's a poor decision indeed, a huge part of the enjoyment of these videos is that they come across like a chat between three mates rather than just another BBC-mandated program

[@rustiouk760]

It will be for algorithms, monetising and to attract wider advertisers. They're the same pre blipping, it's just adding in at editing. It's not that important.

[@HikingNorthEast]

Love the podcasts, absolutely phenomenal! Wow Gary touches his nose a lot. Have known many people that do this, all blame it on Charlie. Who us this Charlie? Lol I dare anyone to do a shot, every time Gary touches his nose lol. Gary I love ya, in my opinion, which means nowt. You are England's greatest ever striker.

[@daveyfunk]

If you're late at most jobs you get a warning and then disciplinary...if you're then late again you could lose your job. The amount of money that footballers earn 10% of their weekly wage amounts to some peoples yearly salaries. They really take for granted what a blessed life they lead and they can easily live after getting fined, but then complain of unfair treatment. People get sacked for being late in most jobs!!!

[@steveparrott1218]

This is the best footie show around, so knowledgable and entertaining but Garry - LEAVE YOUR NOSE ALONE!!!!! Also, your thoughts on older players dementia issues please?? So many reports of sufferers nowadays including one in my own family

[@mikepreston9179]

Why's no-one talking about Gary's glasses?

[@Howling-Mad-Murdock]

I’ve just scrolled through to see if anyone else has mentioned it. No idea why you’d have flesh coloured eyebrows stuck on your lenses.

[@rankobarensic]

Shearer heeft ons kapot gemaakt in 96 groetjes uit Rotterdam..

[@alane803]

Shearer got that motto from the blacklist

[@TK_Brainslug]

god I love those three

[@lowrobb]

Yes.