I've just started playing the PC version with no previous experience with the tabletop game, and I was blown away by the steep learning curve, complexity and complete lack of "holding your hand". Your channel and these videos have by FAR been the best learning for a newcomer as my self and i really do appreciate the simple way you explain and follow up with supporting visuals. You got yourself a new subscriber and I cannot wait to see what follows in the future from your side!
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
That's very kind of you to say man. Thanks for watching and I'm happy I've helped you get into this amazing game ☺️
@cocoonman Жыл бұрын
I'm in the same boat. This game is hard as fuck. I'm trying to sort of think of it as jacked up darkest dungeon.
@mikem9536 Жыл бұрын
Game is hardcore alright, I can't pass the tutorial and there seems to be zero information on how to do it.
@BurningSmith Жыл бұрын
One can make so many mistakes without knowing it was a mistake, so improving is quite hard without some insight on how to play efficent.
@SamuelBDoran Жыл бұрын
@@cocoonman Darkestest Dungeon
@davidreim46092 жыл бұрын
It’s videos like this that make me realize what an amateur I am. I’m just moving around the board killing things. 😞
@rcrhinehart662 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a very good start! I'm just moving around the board getting killed. 😜
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Hey if it works then you must be doing something right.
@stevenmill98872 жыл бұрын
Excellent guide that I would recommend for all beginners, having done similar calculations for my gaming group to highlight the impact of burns when we first started out. The minor stamina potion and it’s big brother when unlocked are key items for most characters 😊
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Exhaustion, the hidden killer in Gloomhaven. Glad you liked the video man thanks for the comment.
@elayeth2 жыл бұрын
The best video for newbies. Hand managememt is crucial to play GH properly.
@proogenji75262 жыл бұрын
The basic math is: your hand size right after rests becomes smaller when the number of burned cards increases. Therefore, the number of rounds you play between rests becomes smaller. Take Scoundrel as an example: if you never use abilities that burn cards, the rounds you play between rests can be listed as 4 4 3 3 2 2 1 1 (very simple math, you can count yourself). That means you would play 4 rounds, rest, then play another 4 rounds, rest, then play 3 rounds, et cetera. Every time you play a card burning ability (or burn a card to prevent damage), you will shorten this number list by one number, and the catch is: you will lose number of rounds (without counting long rests) equal to the leftmost number of your remaining number list. If you don't quite understand, let me give you a simple example. Still as Scoundrel, you are playing your first 4 rounds. Your remaining number list is 4 3 3 2 2 1 1. If you play a burning card ability within these 4 rounds , after rest, your hand size would be 7 instead of 8. You can see now the number of your rounds between rests becomes 3 3 2 2 1 1 instead of 4 3 3 2 2 1 1! YOU LOSE 4 ROUNDS BY PLAYING THIS SINGLE CARD! (note: I don't count long rests.) Another opposite example is to play the burning card at the last round, meaning you only have 2 un-burned cards. You can easily see that no matter how you play you will get exhausted anyway. You can play card burning abilities on both cards, and you basically don't lose any rounds, because you have none left! There is no remaining number list anymore. The point is, as a general rule, the earlier you burn cards, the more rounds you will lose. Therefore, if you want to burn a card early in the game, you really need a strong reason to justify that ability. I personally play Scoundrel a lot at +1 difficulty. With a starting hand size of 9, normally I will try avoiding burning cards early, or just burning Single Out as a lasting buff if I have no other things to do, and save those high burst damage cards towards the end for the stronger enemies or bosses. Normally I can get by comfortably by doing that. Therefore, I can say, for my level of playing, I can afford to lose about 3-5 rounds in total as Scoundrel. Then, based on that fact, I think if I am playing Tinkerer, I wouldn't mind burning 1 or even 2 cards at the beginning because even after that the number of my total rounds is still much higher than the maximum of Scoundrels. (burning 2 cards brings Tinkerer's number list from 6 5 5 4 4 3 3 2 2 1 1 to 6 4 4 3 3 2 2 1 1, still 6 rounds more than Scoundrels'). Unrelated comment: for me, I would say Single Out is still worth considering as Scoundrel. Use that card at an empty round so you don't need to waste more important rounds to cast that buff. Losing 3-4 rounds is definitely endurable in my party. You can long rest more and use stamina potion to catch up. That constant buff can really help at many occasions and is a source of more exps. If you always ONLY use Smoke Bomb and Backstab at the very end, you are basically saying Scoundrel almost cannot afford to lose any rounds, and that is not true based on my experience.
@JarredJuett2 жыл бұрын
Mando doing the LORD's work. Thanks man! This channel is going to explode now.
@thebattleofpelennorfieldsp60812 жыл бұрын
One the Lord does the Lord's work though.
@TheRobversion17 ай бұрын
agreed on the 16-24 rounds estimate. that's my experience as well. personally, i use burns in the last room or at the start. at the start because it's some sort of persistent passive. i also think kill enemy burns are worth it as more enemies get shields and higher hp. for the starting classes, i enjoy playing (brute, mind thief, spellweaver), here's how i schedule my burns: 1. spellweaver- i pack 6 burns + reviving ether and 1 non-burn. i use all 6 burns and reviving ether on the 1st rotation and then on the last turn before i exhaust. with long resting that gets me 21 turns before i exhaust (5 LRs). 2. mind thief- i pack 2 burns. i use both burns in the 1st rotation and then on the last turn before i exhaust. with long resting that gets me 23 turns before i exhaust (6 LRs). i discard the augments in play before i LR then i just re-play them. 3 brute- i pack 3 burns. i use all burns in the 1st rotation and then on the last turn before i exhaust. with long resting that gets me 19 turns before i exhaust (5 LRs).
@jamiehackl12312 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks for taking the time to make this. Your general tips about how burning affects your hand and then specific examples about cards was an excellent strategy for maximized learning
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment glad you found the information useful!
@Mark-sc4bu Жыл бұрын
I love the game but it doesn't hold your hand at all! The advice in this guide is solid and useful, particularly re the scoundrel who I was having a real tough time stopping her get exhausted. Such a great game and the nuances to character development and play are such a refreshing change from the 'let's make it sooooooooo easy' games that seem to be the norm nowadays.
@MandatoryQuest Жыл бұрын
Glad you found the info useful. I too relish more of a challenge especially on these types of games.
@zifnabdr2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this information! Friends and i are trying the digital edition. so nice to learn some tips, tricks, and the mechanics and flow of the game.
@SamuelBDoran Жыл бұрын
Thanks for making these videos - this is the hardest turn-based tactics game I've ever played and I would have bounced off of the beginning levels without a guide. Now I'm having a lot of fun!
@MandatoryQuest Жыл бұрын
Awesome to hear you gave the game a chance, its so much fun once you get past that initial learning curve.
@capnskillet72 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. It was very helpful! I had not been using long rest much, and now I realize how valuable it can be, especially before opening a door.
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
No problem glad you found it useful! its not really obvious at first, but I wanted to show how quickly you can exhaust through just little things that might seem fine as a new player.
@capnskillet72 жыл бұрын
@@MandatoryQuest I also just got Jaws of the Lion board game and I'm introducing my wife to Gloomhaven. She is enjoying it so far, and the long rest really helped us last night.
@mrwakacorp2 жыл бұрын
This video is just what I needed! Thank you for the fantastic job!
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! I'm happy you found it useful :)
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
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@mineraldo2 жыл бұрын
Me: 'Oh! This video seems interesting! I think I manage my hand pretty well by now, but hey, let's see how MQ explains it!' First thing you say: 'This is boring' Me: *feels bad*
@mineraldo2 жыл бұрын
Me after seeing the video: *still feeling bad, but having watched a video I enjoyed*
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
@@mineraldo haha well I figured its never really cool to talk about the numbers behind the game, but in Gloomhaven they really do matter a whole lot!
@mineraldo2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I understand xD I just enjoy this kind of things. I actually did the analysis comparing the tinkerer (me) with my friend's characters when I started to play (mid-campaign). I was the only non lost-advese member of the party for a long time since I did the numbers xD
@mineraldo2 жыл бұрын
I even recall my first turn in the first scenario we played after me making the analysis: Ink Bomb + Power potions + Eagle-eyed googles against 3 targets. My friend: 'did you just lose a card so early in the scenario?' Me: 'yes. Thanks to that we've already cleaned nearly all the first room, and I still have more stamina than any of you. Let me be'
@Steve-nk6vl Жыл бұрын
bro tinkerer with his reset cards for ally is sooo good
@MandatoryQuest Жыл бұрын
Yeah he can really get others out of trouble.
@scolack1232 жыл бұрын
14:40 We started GH after finishing JOTL from march 2021 to september 2021 Lvl 3 brute (me) lvl 2 scoundrel/crag/tink Our scoundrel luckily drew the personal quest for 12 exhausts haha So he loves using his burns regularly to absolutely decimate early rooms and exhaust just into the last Luckily i as the brute am very good at avoiding burns and long resting. And our Tink always tries to combine with brute to do the "recover your discarded cards" card for the first or 2nd major rest cycle to allow brute (or crag) to go longer to make up for scoundrel going out earlier Tink and crag also long rest regularly
@chrisfernandez2219 Жыл бұрын
thanks mate for the indept math about how this works always interresting. Also helped me wrap my head around some time management issues I was having. CHeers.
@CamoflagedTumbleweed2 жыл бұрын
Very helpful, between this and your 'walkthrough' of scenario 1 and 2 should help me to get some momentum. Thanks! 🙂🥦🦖
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Nice glad to have helped
@rcrhinehart662 жыл бұрын
I'm watching this a second time with my notepad handy. Thanks for the great info both here and on your channel.
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Your welcome thanks for watching!
@MrWolfmuc3 ай бұрын
Great video. I'm a newbie to Gloomhaven - Jaws of the lion and war not sure about the cards and item strategy. Thank you 🙏🏻
@michaelturton9752 Жыл бұрын
Excellent and very useful. Very frustrated with my poor performance in this game, and put it away because I can't get anywhere. But this will help.
@mikeclarke39902 жыл бұрын
The Brute's Trample with Ancient Drill and Boots of Striding has saved me on so many occasions so far!
@quavuva2 жыл бұрын
Such a good combo
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Ancient drill is too good, definitely end game upgrade to the War Hammer.
@mikeclarke39902 жыл бұрын
@@MandatoryQuest the schematic was in the first handful of campaign mission haha
@Aurion25410 ай бұрын
Spoiler alert
@cliffrockalliance907125 күн бұрын
I play Mind Thief and I try little strategies to prolong my hand playability but almost never burning a card, at least until the boss room and/or near the end goal of the scenario -and when I do, it has to count (risk analysis). I never summon (MT summons suck anyway) and I make ample use of STA potion. Many MT players go slow on first round and fast on second, but I try to stun ASAP/quickly, drink my STA potion, get my stun card back all in the first round, then stun again the second. With the right party, I can nullify the biggest threats in the room and we make quick work of the first room, setup everyone for optimum placement near the door/resting opportunity, then chokepoint the monsters and I stun again :) My favorite is when the nastiest monster in room just never gets a chance to go haha
@Memmnarch1981 Жыл бұрын
this informations are super helpful for a GH/FH Beginner like me. Pets do a FH + GH JotL List as well. I played Jotl 2 yrs ago and it was fine. But now I am 12 scenarios into FH and I have failed a few now because of stamina (Fist+Kalp)
@stephenfarrell85872 жыл бұрын
Hi, First scenario first game Tinkerer entering last room late and playing Summons extended my survival time in the face of the archers as the Summons attracted attacks. Others all lay around exhausted (bad tinkerer) as I dispatched the last denizen with the first card of my last round before exhaustion. We could not have won through without the Summons and having saved Ink bomb and another multiple effect card to burn. I spent the start of the second room being frustrated trying to set up Proximity Mine which I dearly wished to employ in combination with my push card but it was just to hard to set up so I liked what you said about Tinkerers traps. This is a very helpful video to get a bit more of an idea of how to play within our party towards our strengths while working together. I will watch it again before our Friday game where we will try and complete scenario two as successfully as our first. Cheers and good gaming.
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Tinkerer is a great flexible character because of the large hand size and lots of useful abilities. You can burn a lot more cards compared to to others.
@emveeay Жыл бұрын
Great analysis.Thank you!
@xethnyrrow2 жыл бұрын
Noice! I really like the pace and tone of this video a lot. Spoken in an instructive, clear and not too rapid way to make it very easy to understand. Of course the content is pure fire, thanks!
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Cheers buddy
@wbRosario2 жыл бұрын
Knocking it out the park once again. Well done mando
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@RubishRater2 жыл бұрын
Just asked yesterday on twitch stream. Thank you as I think this info is core for playing GH! Like
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Hehe I tried really hard to not basically just say the video yesterday on stream :)
@sebastianventura4964 Жыл бұрын
Been playing with some friends because Epic gave it for free some months ago, played the first scenario and got destroyed, we finished it barely on our fourth attempt ( Its our first tabletop card game) we keep on playing it but decided to look a few videos to see the gameplay in a more profound way, thank you so much for your guides
@MandatoryQuest Жыл бұрын
Glad you gave it another chance, it's a great game once you get to know it :)
@charlycharly49582 жыл бұрын
Great video man, cheers!!
@shakall-98112 жыл бұрын
Hi MQ Just discovered your channel just after having bought the video game. The board game did not really convince me but it was mostly because it was too long to set up and things seemed to be a bit tricky. Nice video which explains some of my/our problems. After failing the first try on the "Chained Island", we came back with my strategy of rush and burn in 2 teams focusing mobs without killing them during the 1st round in order to deestroy the Spirits during the 2nd. It was OK but we finally lost because we all missed 1 or 2 cards to get rid of the last mobs. Your video explains all this and i'll try to stock to it. Thx also for the tacticas you created for each toon.
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Awesome glad your enjoying the game. I do think go quick strategies can work quite well in some scenarios, but Chained Isle is quite a long one with annoying rooms to try and move through. You can lose the whole scenario in a single turn in the first room, and I've had that happen to me quite often too. It's a difficult balancing act in that scenario for sure and it can come down to the wind and night demon ability RnG a bit. Its definitely a scenario I expect everyone to be on their last few cards by the end, no-one is winning that scenario comfortably unless they play on friendly difficulty maybe.
@michaelkeegan92602 жыл бұрын
A box organiser is a requirement to enjoying the board game. I bought some screw organiser containers with see through tops and layed out all the monster action cards together with their pop outs in individual trays. I also put all the map tiles in a ring binder in alphabetical order. Takes me 15 min to set up. The other players open their boxes and reset their attack modifier decks etcetera during this time.
@joelheinschel82332 жыл бұрын
As always, thanks dude!
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
No worries man thanks for watching
@GermanArchitect2 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation!
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Glad you found it useful :)
@ventusvero44842 жыл бұрын
The reason Gloomhaven does not allow multiple of the same class is because 4 Tinkerers would be so powerful, they would break the out of the game and begin to dominate our world.
@arjunbaweja77552 жыл бұрын
orrrr because there is only one print of cards and characters and specific attack modifiers. That too lol
@Ouwesnuifduif1 Жыл бұрын
Lol tinkerer is actually one of the weakest starting classes. It also doesnt scale very well after level 3 or so. Its cards later on dont particularly have great benefits
@25PDHarmon Жыл бұрын
Tinkerer actually goes hard in large parties. There is a ton of utility and aoe ranged damage so they can really make the team feel filled out and balanced. In smaller comps, not so much.
@danielvennie60052 жыл бұрын
I think early levels the tinkerers summon decoy is a great tanking card. It has as much hp as 2 of the classes and can be healed up. Can save a lot of burning cards for damage. It does lose its value pretty fast though.
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Well he can get away with a lot of burning so if you can support it then its fine, but taking turns to heal a summon is a good example of a time sink that might not further the scenario goal. I think once you get more comfortable your options do open up, but its an easy pitfall to fall in.
@Calloflunacy2 жыл бұрын
been playing the board game and the video game, and been having a rough time trying to deal with some of the boss battles and making those choices to burn cards to take the boss out quickly since they tend to summon tons of monsters every round. sometimes feels like I can't burn enough cards to kill the boss fast enough before I get exhausted lol.
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
It helps if you have a big single target damage dealer in your party like a Scoundrel from the starters. You can try and burn them down quick, but a lot of them have tricks up their sleeves to dodge or annoy you. You need to have a good plan for the turn you open the open the boss room, and the following one too so that you can make a big impact quickly.
@Mr_Pr1me_M1n15t3r2 жыл бұрын
This was SO helpful!!!
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Nice! happy it helped and thanks for watching and commenting ;)
@grone17782 жыл бұрын
Extremely helpful.
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Awesome thanks for watching
@justincburns2 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Thanks glad you liked it!
@simounobrien9096 Жыл бұрын
"Stop Burning Cards" And then Spellweaver's Reviving Ether literally is the exception to that XD!!!!!
@leandro11582 жыл бұрын
Great video!!! thanks!
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it, thanks for watching!
@leandro11582 жыл бұрын
@@MandatoryQuest, I play mostly the mindthief and You helped me quite a lot. Thanks, from Brazil and congrats!
@CamoflagedTumbleweed2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome glad you liked the video
@primarymusic61952 жыл бұрын
Very nice video. Love that you dive into the mathematical analysis and link a turns to exhaustion calculator. I have what might be a niche complaint... the speed of your speech is very slow. I like watching videos on double speed normally, and had to go to about 2.8x to get that same speed here with third party software. Maybe check out how your videos would feel with a 10-40% increase in speed? I know radio stations get some extra engagement by punching up the tempo on songs a bit so maybe it would work for you :) just found the channel so looking forward to checking out your other vids.
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked the video. Its just the way I talk I'm afraid, and if I speed it up it will sound like a loony tunes episode.
@primarymusic61952 жыл бұрын
@@MandatoryQuest I actually went back and watched some of your older videos and they all sounded substantially faster. Maybe this one felt like more complex material so you talked more slowly an enunciated very clearly? I'd try listening to yourself on this one at 1.5 or so, doesn't sound loony tunes at all :)
@marcus268 Жыл бұрын
I am a non native speaker, i really like the speechtempo !
@Hildegarden Жыл бұрын
In fact I never burn cards, I calculate it from the beginning! Plus you can buy an item where you can return to your hand one discarded card (not burned) and you'll have one turn extra because of that!!! So usually to do more damage, I activate one card with the infinite symbol ♾ (for example like the next 6 times you attack you add +1 damage, so it is activated for a while and help kill faster)... this way till now I never had to redo the level!!!
@gucci4president4332 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Math and breakdown for us smooth brains this helped my gameplay and when to be greedy lol can u make a vid about best 2man comps or ones you like then if it does well do a 3man and 4man party vids?
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Sure I could look at doing a video like that, glad you found the info interesting.
@fajnalowiec Жыл бұрын
I was trying yesterday to play it on pc and the entry point is ridiculously high. After spending a few hours on going through tutorial and then dying twice on the 1st mission by card exhaustion it seems like it' s not for me. The worst game mechanic for me is initiative and planning your turn when u dont know what enemies gonna choose. It takes a lot of time when u do it for the first time and the results may vary from a check mate great combo to total disaster skipping the turn. Great explanation BTW :)
@cliffrockalliance907125 күн бұрын
Never tried it, but was thinking about Reviving Ether for Spellweaver. After she's used it to get her cards back once, if partied up with the Tinkerer, Tinkerer has a card that allows an ally to regain a burned card, thus Spellweaver could get another cycle?
@jcapo52 жыл бұрын
I'm stuck on mission 14. These wolves are killing me. (Spellweaver and brute)
@arjunbaweja7755 Жыл бұрын
Wolves is the one scenario where you def want to burn one cars, spell should do it with fire orbs, brute should also consider trample as 10 to 9 cards makes next turn still 8 cards for 4 turns. You want to go late and let them come to you
@perer0052 жыл бұрын
Good non-burn cards are so much stronger than the rest of the cards!
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely hold on to them for dear life!
@sreback2 жыл бұрын
MQ, would you consider doing a video on monster AI? My understanding is that it's pretty transparent to players of the tabletop version, but kind of obscure for digital players that don't have to learn the rules the same way.
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
I have you covered my guy kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZTQi6aCibanoac&ab_channel=MandatoryQuest
@TheLorrenh132 жыл бұрын
Thanks bruh
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
No problem
@KoopaBlizzard2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great tips MQ! Is your charity speed run of gloomhaven digital going to be on KZbin?
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Yes I’m just editing up a condensed version to post probably Friday :)
@BaronSupremacy Жыл бұрын
Long resting just artificially inflates the number of rounds you are "active". You don't contribute anything to the group when you long rest as you cannot take any actions. Other than being around longer, is that the point? I.e. you're still there to act later on?
@MandatoryQuest Жыл бұрын
There are a lot of dead turns that long rest allows you to fill when enemies are not pressuring you. Don't underestimate the value of the heal 2, reset spent items, and choosing your card to lose too. I can't tell you how many scenarios I've lost because I lost a crucial card to a short rest.
@ViralZen2 жыл бұрын
Stamina og pots allowed u to recover 2 cards. That's insane haha
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Yeah waaaay too good
@jamescoyne56977 күн бұрын
This only works if you never use an augment, summon or anything useful, and doesn't account for the actions of enemies. Not sure I agree with the maths, unless you play a really boring, perfect game every time.
@alexyo62862 жыл бұрын
The thing is that health is quite difficult to manage. At the beginning of the game, cards are always burnt because of damage.
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
That's why using control effects, movement, and other tricks to not be hit are so important. Gloomhaven is often a game about not taking damage just as much as doing damage.
@kertanos2 жыл бұрын
If you burn cards because of damage, maybe try doing some more crowd control in early initiative, or manage initiative to make a double turn and burst ennemy before they hit you (go late, make them move to you out of reach, then go early next round and blast them)
@Belphoron2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this guide. I would have also liked some of your thoughts on the stamina potions bc my group is quite confused. In the english Gloomhaven it states 2/3 Cards In the german Gloomhaven it states 1/2 Cards Gloomhaven on Steam also states 1/2 Cards so which one is it? We played with 2/3 in the last 1 year and it was still barely manageble. If we have to resume play with that kind of "Nerf" i hope this calculator will help us to control our ressources more efficiently.
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
In the original couple of printings the stamina potions were 2/3. This was then nerfed in the official FAQ and reduced to only 1/2. This is the current observed rule for digital and future printings. It's likely that the German version you have was printed after the changes. I still think even with the changes they are must haves for pretty much every character. It's especially the case for those with non-burn stuns or disarms.
@Belphoron2 жыл бұрын
@@MandatoryQuest thank you for clarifying it
@Hadley.Sinclaire Жыл бұрын
Ha! Too bad! My Paladin's personal goal is to exhaust twelve times 😅
@MandatoryQuest Жыл бұрын
Some people just like to watch the world burn
@Hadley.Sinclaire Жыл бұрын
@@MandatoryQuest Some people just like to burn themselves out*
@brentnixon8342 жыл бұрын
@MandatoryQuest ….Spoiler question….. Do you feel its ok to play the two main persistent losses with the 3 spears character or the combo not worth it?
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Hmmmm possibly, but with only 9 cards you would be down to only 7 which is only 3 turns so it would make you a bit inflexible I would say. Might be a bit all in but It could work if you fully exploit them both.
@brentnixon8342 жыл бұрын
@@MandatoryQuest thanks we play with pre nerfed stamina potions. I was hoping i could make it work with a little but not overusing his infinite regain cards.
@kampinkarl482 жыл бұрын
@@brentnixon834 If you partner him with a certain other unlock able character the combo gets even more disgusting and infinite.
@PMMagro6 ай бұрын
This is why we use potion of stamina...
@charlylee77952 жыл бұрын
Quick question, is a character unlock permenant or do i have to unlock them for every single campaign ?
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Every single campaign. Each campaign is considered its own save with its own progress.
@15xgg802 жыл бұрын
How bad is it to shortrest when you have 3-4 cards in the deck that are not good for this turn.
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Depends really, if you really really need a certain card back from your discard then I don’t mind an early short rest.
@shieldyourselfmusic8567 Жыл бұрын
Is there a mod where no cards get burned BUT every round you get 2 random cards instead of choosing 2
@MandatoryQuest Жыл бұрын
I don't think so and that would be probably hard to do as it would require deeper moding.
@dvddghost2 жыл бұрын
What do u mean by burn one card per cycle? I m playing Spellweaver just getting into the game. I keep running out of cards quickly also quite difficult to make the fire combos…any tips pls?
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Cycle means per rest so a full cycle would be playing all (or most) of our cards then having to long of short rest to get them back. So with the spellweaver it would be burning fire orbs then playing all your other cards and resting, then burning impaling eruption playing your other cards and resting etc etc. You can be more aggressive than this for sure, but it's a good way to ensure you still get longevity until you're more experienced. For fire it's all on fire orbs early game so make sure you have a plan to use the fire it makes a turn ahead. I also would recommend a mana potion early if you are struggling to make it when needed. It gets much easier in the later levels when you get the fire modifier perks, and the burning avatar summon.
@dvddghost2 жыл бұрын
@@MandatoryQuest thanks for the videos and tips man I m level 4 now with Spell weaver and I have googles, piercing bow, mana potion, power potion and cloak of invisibility . But what boots do u recommend to buy for spell weaver ?
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
@@dvddghost that depends on what enhancements you plan on getting really. Winged shoes are good for the jump but also just standard boots of striding are fine too. If you don't plan on enhancing jump then winged shoes is a fine pickup.
@nheather Жыл бұрын
Don’t forget stamina potions too.
@roycemw2 жыл бұрын
Have you done a video on jotl too?
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
No, but I think most of this info translates to it pretty well, but JoTL is made a little differently with the book rather than tiles. I could look into it but at the moment I’m focussing on digital.
@MOTat18 Жыл бұрын
I must be one of the few in this comment section that had a very negative first impression with this game, to the point I felt like I wasted my time. The combination of the burn system and the super steep difficulty curve is very intimidating, and I feel like a little more in game help would be appropriate. I'll try again with this video because besides the difficulty I can see the potential in this game. I hope I'll have a better time next time.
@MandatoryQuest Жыл бұрын
Trust me your not the only one which is why I made this video. In digital they do a good job of teaching you how the U.I and general mechanics work, but not how to have success really. The game is renown for having a steep learning curve that has put a lot of people off, but if you can get through that an amazing game awaits you.
@MOTat18 Жыл бұрын
@@MandatoryQuest Thanks for the help. The most pertinent part of this video was the burning cards section, as that is what was really bothering me. I was able to eventually finish the first two scenarios after a few retries, albeit at easy difficulty, which is big for me. But yeah, thank you again. What get's me now is the paltry monetary rewards and XP gains, like this game makes you grind and grind for upgrades.
@MandatoryQuest Жыл бұрын
@@MOTat18 you'd be surprised how quickly you will get stuff in the end. It's important to note though that this is an epic narrative boardgame first, so it is slower paced than your average video game.
@MOTat18 Жыл бұрын
@@MandatoryQuest By the way, do you know if at a certain point you get space in your hand for one more ability card? It's like I've hit a wall with scenarios and the only thing holding me back is that I don't have enough cards. It's so frustrating, I'm doing Crypt of the Damned and I literally got down to 4 hit points away on the last enemy when I ran out. This has happened so many times to me, it's so frustrating.
@MandatoryQuest Жыл бұрын
@@MOTat18 sorry no the hand limit is always the same as the characters are balanced and designed around that. You do get better cards though. Stamina potions are the only way to reliably get extra card plays on any character.
@zralok_aka2 жыл бұрын
Are Solo Scenarios coded into Digital Campaign?
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
At the moment no. They might be possible DLC though, or could be modded in at least.
@shaneancio Жыл бұрын
Problem is, I keep getting slaughtered and need to burn to deflect damage lol
@MandatoryQuest Жыл бұрын
Chances are then you are getting too close to enemies or not playing around initiative. ;)
@thebattleofpelennorfieldsp60812 жыл бұрын
More than a 20% reduction ia unacceptable.
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
It’s rough
@icalculi2 жыл бұрын
I'm not burning any cards but my scoundrel only last for about ~11 rounds. what am i doing wrong? :o
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Do you short rest a lot?
@kampinkarl482 жыл бұрын
The big trap of the scoundrel and mind thief is being able to go first and run into the melee, the problem is that you are a squish and if all the enemies NPC turn at you with the laser eyes meme you go bye bye real fast. You wanna take the opportunity the first round to go really really slow and carefully choose where you engage after the big movements and damage trading is over, so you can setup to go fast turn 2 and either finish off the enemies near you or poke and run to safety. Remember sorta like burning cards just cause you can do something doesn't mean its gonna be helpful in the long run. Also dont feel bad if you exhaust 80% of the way through the dungeon if your team is all healthy with large hands left. It means you blitzed the dungeon and are gonna let your team cleanup. And lastly, if your party has no tanks like our starter party did (spellweaver, tinkerer, mindtheif, scoundrel), dear god retire asap it is such a different game when your party has a functional composition.
@AzraeIReaper Жыл бұрын
You said 2:34 spell weaver can revive all other 7 cards, but you have to play 2 cards, so you cannot revive the second card you played. So you can only really revive 6.
@seanv42 Жыл бұрын
Cards are lost or discarded as the action is played. So you can use a loss bottom action, putting all seven cards in your loss. You can than use reviving either top to get back the full 7.
@EMPCraft Жыл бұрын
I feel scoundrel is pretty bad unless you are with 4 or more players.
@MandatoryQuest Жыл бұрын
4 is the maximum party size. She is fine with 3 most of the time, but needs to be played carefully and be paired with at least one other melee character.
@djcru682 жыл бұрын
I love this however I have played this game for awhile back in early release. YOu always use long rest which sucks because basically that character is not doing crap and honestly with brute and scoundrel usuall in the thick of things. My best is surviving 20 maybe 22 rounds. I would enjoy playing with you and seeing how to use which card and how to be better, because sadly u do use a burn card in 1st or second round to prep up.
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
You should really only be long resting when its safe to do so. This is why tempo and momentum is quite important as you want to be clearing each room then resting before the next. Timing rests is a very important tactic in controlling your stamina.
@scolack1232 жыл бұрын
Long rest times You wont get beat up You really need your items refreshed You definitely want to pick which card you lose I ALWAYS long rest with brute 9/10 times because of useful the heater shield hide armor and boots of striding are for me (we are only lvl 3)
@warlorddk207011 ай бұрын
Honestly find Demeo infinitely better because of this mechanic, the idea that simply walking through a hallway causes exhaustion is moronic. Its way way WAY too harsh IMO sure it makes it more challenging but when fun is taken away to make it challenging its no longer good gamedesign. I simply do not understand why people these days confuse difficulty with entertainmentvalue cause its not the same thing. You can have a hard as balls game that simply sucks at entertaining its players by putting punishing mechanics where it simply doesnt make sense at all. Having no basic movement or basic attack having to spend cards for every single action from picking your nose to full sprint heavy weapon swings, then having no redraw mechanic without recieving heavy penalties is just daft. Sure like Demeo put a cost at heavy attacks or especially fast movement but just walking through a hallway at a normal walking pace makes the game feel like a shitty slug punishing to be punishing rather than to add anything to the experience.
@Broockle2 жыл бұрын
Trample + Warhammer..... that's legal? 🙃
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah!
@MichaelGaskin Жыл бұрын
I SUCK! I've only made it past a single seniour... It seems the decks are stacked against me, but I know they are not. Need help!
@jaymea89072 жыл бұрын
No way you could long rest every round, you’d get killed quick
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Well you cant long rest every round as you'd have no cards to recover. All I'm showing here is the maximum you could get if you long rest every time you are forced to rest because of lack of cards. Its also not actually that hard on normal and easy difficulty to do that, and there is even a battle goal that wants you to do it. Its all just about planning your rests ahead of time so hopefully you don't have to take a lot of short ones and risking losing your key cards.
@jaymea89072 жыл бұрын
@@MandatoryQuest ah ok! And thanks for this rundown. I usually am caught between burning that one powerful card or saving it for a better time!
@RobertWF422 жыл бұрын
One of my problems with Gloomhaven is you have to discard cards to do anything, even walk 5 feet across a dungeon room. In fact you could avoid melee combat and still exhaust your character by only walking 50 feet, or skip movement and do nothing but stand during the encounter. Apparently in the GH world everyone needs a nap every 10 minutes! :-)
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Yep and its the main thing I think that makes GH unique. In most other dungeon crawlers you'd have mana, energy, or action points to do things and simple actions wont cost much or any. GH is about efficiency and making each turn count, as every turn you take is putting you closer to exhausting and losing.
@Ocean5ix Жыл бұрын
It's a hard game and all, I'm willing to accept and learn it for what it is and maybe even end up liking it. But I will never understand the design idea behind asking the player to play 2 cards to get to the door. I know this will offend a lot of fans of the game but it's one of the stupidest mechanics I've seen in a turn based strategy game. I would rather have a harder game than a insanely annoying one.
@MandatoryQuest Жыл бұрын
That's a reasonable criticism but it all contributes to the card stamina system. If you could just get to the door for free then a lot of movement abilities would be less useful too. I think its fair to say its a bit annoying or boring, but the same can be said with looting to be honest and it all builds into the general action economy. I like the idea of "speed" Gloomhaven though that maybe shortcuts that stuff, but it would have to be a variant or spin off game maybe.
@woj_kal2 жыл бұрын
Coment
@VielofDarkness Жыл бұрын
I absolutely HATE the Burn Mechanic... especially when it comes to doing a Long Rest. It's a terrible mechanic and completely restrictive. I get burning to replace a Hit, but to have to Burn to recycle back in Discarded cards, just absolutely killed this game for me and other friends. It was truly unnecessary, and this game feels more like a "Have to do it this way puzzle" or you fail. I feel like I'm forced to make a decision that should be avoidable. If they alone just lifted that stupid burn on a Long rest, it would have greatly improved the playability.
@MandatoryQuest Жыл бұрын
There is a mod available to remove the burns for cards if you prefer, but the game is balanced around burns being great 1 time use abilities. If burns didn't exist the game would be a cake walk as its currently designed, and the disparity between strength of characters would be huge. Think of them as like ultimate's your character has that can turn the tide of battle, but are risky if used at the wrong time. Having to lose a card at long rest is also specifically to keep the game timer going as player stamina is the clock in this game. If you could rest and not lose cards then everyone would long rest back to back to gain health back. Basically you would have to completely change the game mechanics to support that change and introduce maybe a win in X rounds instead style system. I totally get what your laying down though, and Gloomhaven is a puzzle game at heart not an RPG which is the vibe it gives off. A lot of people come away with the same impression as you as it is deceiving.
@VielofDarkness Жыл бұрын
@@MandatoryQuest The second Paragraph hit the nail on the head. I wanted a fun RPG style that it seemed to be... and to me and many of my friends, a choking mechanic of a timer puzzle isn't fun. As for the burn Mechanic on the Long Rest, I would reduce the health gain to 1 or remove it all together, just so I wouldn't have to burn a card. A Short Rest, with having to burn a card would have to bring some other benefit, as of now, it doesn't make any sense to me and just seems more of a draw back. Honestly, the wording should be the other way around: Short Rest: Regain 4 discarded cards, No health gain, initiative 99; Long Rest: Burn a Card, regain All discard cards, Gain 2 Health, Initiative 99. Something to that effect, which provides the player the choice to burn or not per what they feel they need. I'm just actually shocked that through play-testing, this burn mechanic was still seemed "good" for the game. I'm not a fan of Forced mechanics like this... I believe in giving players more of a choice, more freedom. There's plenty of other ways to balance a game... restricting critical mechanics/options shouldn't be one of them.
@MandatoryQuest Жыл бұрын
@@VielofDarkness I think its just not the style of game your looking for. Its the number 1 board game for a reason as many people like that push pull / risk reward element of the stamina system. It makes Gloomhaven unique which is why I personally love it.
@VielofDarkness Жыл бұрын
@@MandatoryQuest Sorry, but even if a game is #1, doesn't mean it can't benefit from some criticism, and it doesn't mean it's a flawless design. Fact is, it frustrated me and a lot of friends that love board games... to try to invalidate a common frustration is to remain naïve. If the Developers are fine with shrinking their potential player base... that's on them... not the potential players.
@MandatoryQuest Жыл бұрын
@@VielofDarkness I'm not saying that at all. They have made a design decision and stuck to it which a lot of people like. Like I've said the game clearly just isn't to your taste which is absolutely fine. You don't have to like every game and every game doesn't have to tailor to everyone. It's like arguing that a food you don't like should change its taste to just please you. if they made the changes you suggest personally I would hate the game. It's different strokes for different folks. I would just move on and not lose any sleep over it.
@thehussiteking2 жыл бұрын
Why am I watching this? I have 500 hours in gloomhaven, both digital, irl, and TTS lol Maybe I just dig the accent
@MandatoryQuest2 жыл бұрын
Haha love you ;)
@jesselynds54117 ай бұрын
yup, this is boring, i would much rather 'feel' my way through whether a burn is important or not. just gauge the number of enemies remaining, or the value of an early burn for like a passive effect like flame shroud or overwatch. almost never burn midway through a level unless they stick a really nasty monster there compared to the rest of the map. and that's it. if you lose try again, stop with this statistical nonsense
@aledags8 ай бұрын
why you are telling me your life?, just let me know how tf i need to play to not burn a fkn card.