DmC Devil May Cry - Why it Sucked!

The Name's Donte!
Today we're talking about DmC - Devil May Cry... And how it was a game that practically broke a fanbase in two.
Edited by: KaiserTriger / kaisertrigger
Chapters
0:00 - THE START
1:15 - Introduction
1:42 - Before you type your comment...
2:23 - Hell Hath Come - The Beginning of Donte
9:14 - How Do Am Write Good? F*ck*ng Up Characters
16:14 - The Duality of Gamers - Gameplay: Trash or Nah?
19:52 - THE END
23:20 - End Credits
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[@Mangakamen]

Don't forget to like the video, share it around, and leave a comment - Even if it's just telling me to F*ck off - I always appreciate that lol.

[@stardusttodorki2679]

MangaKamen you are like the cool older brother

[@GetzaBerry1it]

Perish

[@histhoryk2648]

How long It will take to reupload. KZbin hates MEMES

[@Vegitodraws]

How many likes before we get a review of DMC5?

[@novelty_thief]

Your script is amazing, you improved greatly through the years. Could be a me problem but sometimes especially in this video Kaiser edits like he is on...something. I don't mind chaotic comedy but this felt like he was trying too hard to be "lol random Garys mod funny"

[@pokemon22322]

I remember playing it and found it fun I got it from a bargain bin and didn't know anything about the series I thought it was fun mindless fun but did get me into the other games.

[@mr_grigas16]

same thing

[@Group-935]

Literally the same exact for me.

[@Sin-Faoladh]

If they didnt use the names dante virgil and mundas allot of this coulda been avoided

[@AscendedZenith]

Me too bro

[@jeremy123577]

@Rodolfo Ramos this is very true but looking back the first trailer now with him chain up and him having a silent more damage persona to me seemed a bit more cool. Plus you traveling to different "worlds" aka different parts of your mind trying to not go insane to thecpoint were your even questioning your ownself thinking I'm i really dante.later on trying to figure out how you even got there in the first place. Give off the trapped in your own mind aspect which seems cool

[@Sin-Faoladh]

I remember my friend didn't understand the hate for the reboot dante. She had never touched the originals. And then she did and i got a message simply saying "i understand now"

[@Mangakamen]

lol

[@Sin-Faoladh]

what makes it better is right after that she changed her guild in final fantasy to reflect 3's dante. Renamed it to "devil may cry" made it look as much like dantes shop as she could like if i were ever to use the word simp it would be for how hard she fell into classic dante

[@ALASTOR101.]

That's true wife material right there

[@quarreneverett4767]

@@Sin-Faoladh nice

[@enmadaio.8975]

Shes one of us.

[@stupid90able]

I'll never forget the dark times between this game's release and DMC5 announcement at E3.

[@Mangakamen]

Those were some dark years.

[@leonartha03]

those were the time i thought DMC series were done for and become the relic of the pass.. thanks god we live in a great timeline

[@Bahaumt86]

DMC 4 SE helped a little. It came out after the Reboot.

[@mysterykiddo2167]

DMC5 was a fresh breath of air

[@zekiel2533]

2013-2018. Dark ages lol

[@048-s8b]

The chad OG Dante: -Has great drip -Not ugly -Doesn’t smoke -Good friends -Made a better relationship with his brother -Overall a great and fun guy VS Virgin reboot Dante -Wack drip -Ulgy design in general -Smokes (or did until they got rid of it) -Has no good friends -Relationship with brother? What’s that -I wouldn’t want to hang out with him

[@Mangakamen]

Not to mention... actually has a good sense of humor.

[@Sonyoucef]

El virgin Donte

[@blyat8832]

donte is basically Dante if he decides to go against the DMC moral code. don't drink, don't smoke, Dante has to get no pussy, etc. not a good look

[@amirgarcia547]

@Stumpanelli I love how his fedora was so dumb that the devs decided to remove it in the definitive edition lmaooooo

[@robertlustmord1636]

I would've tolerated him if he was a totally separate new character, but nooo they have to make him 'Donte'.

[@JetblackJay]

Can't lie I expected more negatives I'm happy to see positives a breath of fresh air why it's bad but not awful like Dmc2

[@icedshadow5789]

DMC 2 was so godamn boring.

[@johnsaibot2359]

I am still playing DMC2 till this day.

[@65firered]

I think that's probably the best thing about the game. It's only the second-worst game in the franchise because at least it functions properly.

[@book1840]

While the gameplay is the weakest in the series. It's still quite enjoyable for me. It also has pretty good plot and interesting lore and characters. DMC2 has a lot of potential but was hold down by many internal problems. I'm glad DMC team still embraced their mistake and took a lot of ideas from DMC2 to the later games.

[@streetdude9664]

@@book1840 I wouldn't mind a DMC 2 remake

[@charlesman8722]

Dante in the original DMC games: A goofy loveable anime style shonen protagonist. The DMC Reboot: what a western person thinks and anime character is like a massive edge lord.

[@GreenTomas2372]

Alex Mercer was a better edge lord

[@Garland846]

He's literally trying to be edgy and failing (I personally find it kind of charming in a so bad it's good way)

[@thealpha_wolfgamer7563]

@@GreenTomas2372 bro I love the Prototype series and yeah I agree Alex definitely more edge lord

[@lanceke7121]

Yoooo Alex Mercer is so edgy just by reading his name gives you a paper cut

[@YouTubeCensors]

Anime existed before The 2000s and they were more serious then.

[@amirgarcia547]

DmC: Devil May Cry had good ideas and I do think the gameplay is overall solid and at least better mechanically than DMC1 and DMC2. But it feels like they were making this reboot for all the wrong reasons, being that instead of trying to inject new life into a stale series, this instead feels like a desperate attempt to “Westernize” the series in order to give it more mass appeal due to its declining sales. Which of course blew up in their face, since it alienated their core fanbase, AKA a large chunk of the peeps who’d buy this game in the first place. And so despite tease of a sequel with the Vergil’s Awakening DLC, a follow-up to Donte’s game never came. And instead we eventually got DMC5, which entirely acts like the reboot never existed and is almost like an apology for it. So as much as a misguided dumpster fire as this game might’ve been, at the very least it didn’t lead to the series crashing and burning. Which unfortunately happens to too many franchises nowadays (re: any of Konami’s franchises.)

[@ericquiabazza2608]

DMC 5 didnt apologize for DmC, it embrace it, because staff like it. There is a lot of takes in DMC 5 taken directly from DmC, specially Virgil moveset. And as said, DmC tries to be its own take at DMC with western ideas, which fits namco msrketing strategies,so i think that it has potential but has to refine more its ideas and separates itself more from the main line, so its has their own line.

[@arqueiroXD]

It was an apology on the visual design and style. Gameplaywise everyone(including classic devil may cry fans. Saw the appeal).

[@rikterterran3833]

The DMC series' sales weren't really declining. DMC4's sales were actually the highest in the series at the time, but Capcom was probably comparing the numbers to other action game franchises like Call of Duty and Gears of War, so it was considered a disappointment.

[@zffrailgun1630]

@@ericquiabazza2608 I don't know who the first person that claimed that DMC4 Vergil got most of his moveset from DmC is, but it's both wrong and annoying. DMC4 Vergil got a grand total of 3 moves from DmC Vergil. That's right, 3. Everything else is either from DMC1, DMC3 or original (and of course, all this applies to DMC5 Vergil too since he's almost the same as DMC4 Vergil). So while DMC5 does take some very few inspirations from DmC (announcer, the void etc.) Vergil isn't, and has never been, one of them.

[@Hecatom]

@@ericquiabazza2608 It definitively was an apology, since while it took some ideas from DmC, it went back to everything that people loved from 3 and 4. DmC was a terrible idea, that hopefully we will never see again poluting the DMC series.

[@ziongamer6905]

I feel like DMC could’ve been received as a good game if it didn’t try to reboot the series. If it was it’s own set of characters totally unrelated we probably could’ve had a fun future “crossover” with this new guy being another goober similar to Nero but not nearly as good.

[@caldw615]

I mean yeah, just replace the Dante, Vergil, Mundus and Sparda names with entirely different demon names and have it set in a seperate part of the DMC universe. But the fact the creator tried to claim his Dante was better and being homophobic to try and downplay the old Dante.

[@ziongamer6905]

@@caldw615 Yeah that’s the worst part like? How can you act like this character is even remotely better than Dante and even more so- to rag on Dantes occasional flamboyance as if that was a bad thing? The creator was outta his mind.

[@exalted_space9224]

Honestly a lot of reboots could of done well if they didn't ya know try to reboot a beloved franchise as something its not espically when the dev try to mock the og. *Looks at the SR "reboot" ugh.*

[@Sarindanvelor]

@@exalted_space9224 i mean it's a case where imagine if with me andromeda rather than trying new characters and a new setting to soft reboot the series they told you your character was sheppard and said this is the new me1 people would have rioted rather than just being dissatisfied with the glitches and bad writing though will say imo that game had the best combat in the series

[@zeroderorero3948]

The fact that one of the main selling points of the "Definitive edition" is Fedora-less Vergin is either a sign that not even the developers liked it or it's just Devil May Cry developers being Devil May Cry developers

[@Necroxion]

Personally, I find DMC2's Edgy Dante to be okay in theory The problem with DMC2 was that Dante didn't have anything interesting to bounce off of - unlike in DMCs 1 and 3-5 where the bosses (and Nero) all contrast or play off of his cockiness, DMC2 just doesn't have any good characters to interact with him - all the bosses are bland, Lucia is just...there...the best moment in the entire game is easily Argo going over-the-top "I was going to be a king!" where Dante just shoots him all "yeah? Here's your crown" Besides, this unintentionally sets a character arc with the other games - where Dante starts off a happy jackass, gets a bit somber after maybe losing Vergil, then depressed after more definitely losing Vergil, before cheering up once he has Nero and then gets all anxious when Vergil comes back DmC Donte on the other hand just has a terrible flavor of cockiness to him - he sounds more like a school bully trying to hurt people rather than have fun, on top of just reusing old swears (the infamous "f*ck you" scene comes to mind) instead of doing something creative and different (treating Cerberus like a pet dog, telling Agni and Rudra to stop talking, flirting with Nevan, getting Griffin to "flock off", complimenting Nelo Angelo on being honorable for not backstabbing him) Yeah, Donte just sounds more like a school bully who just got hurt and is trying to hurt people, and this actually makes me empathize with the bosses more than Donte Not helping is how the bosses are all either "dodge and kite until you can hit their weak spot" or copies of OG Vergil, but slower and now moans with every strike before making a rapist face at you

[@Necroxion]

I may have gotten the name of DMC2's main antagonist mixed up with Argosax, but then that's the fault of the game's writing and not me Because I'm the type of person to remember Jan Dodona, Dipa Bilapa, and Vodo Siosk-Baas from Star Wars, and the fact that I can name these 3 minor characters from a massive universe over the literal main antagonist of a DMC game just goes to show how poorly this guy was utilized

[@zaddyfaye6880]

donte walked so bryce hall could run

[@Dabajaws]

Dmc2 feels like lucia's game with dante slapped on it and i feel if they made her the main character with some ties to dmc 1 it could have been decent....that being said i wish they gave her more character or brought her back in some way

[@masteryoraerasante]

DMC2 Dante becomes much better if you remember he spends the whole game making important choices, like helping save the people to progress with the game, with the flip of a coin... That has two faces. Basically the whole game is him pretending he did not already plan to do it anyway while setting up a surprise running joke... That he ends up missing when people find out about.

[@seniortrotsky3567]

The dmc reboot feels like the edgier version of metal gear rising mixed with dmc and if was the child of both of the games the fanbase would burn it to the ground. The donte in the reboot feels like the dmc 2 mixed with a chunk of metal gear rising with its politics and donte's personality. The reboot was fun but i missed the old dmc when it came out. The plot feels like a discounted version of mgr: revengeance.

[@Megatron_95]

I remember i played this game on my ps4 years ago. It wasn't bad until the game crashed when Dante was traveling through the Silver Sacks Tower.

[@GetzaBerry1it]

Perish

[@ajstylesxajx1004]

To ke this donte sounds like a karen lol

[@Andriej69]

Ahh yes, alternative universe where Donte and Vergin are even more "special"

[@jamesbrown6994]

Mommy did always say that they were her "special" little demon angels

[@Andriej69]

@@jamesbrown6994 Very, very special

[@MoostachedSaiyanPrince]

I genuinely do believe the rumor that a lot of the changes Ninja Theory made to DmC were mandated by Capcom themselves. A lot of their games at the time were being forced through the "Western remake treatment" around this time. Another KZbinr called Matt McMuscles covered the development of some of these games, including this one, on his own channel as part of his ongoing "What Happened?" series. As for this game, I hated the character designs, character writing, and story in general, but I liked the level designs and some of the aspects of the gameplay. Overall, I did like the game, but I completely understood the hatred it got and so didn't defend it. It's the same reason why I don't really defend Saint's Row 4 unless the specific part that's being criticized is the gameplay.

[@googleisevil8958]

What would make a lot of sense: the gameplay is there but Donte himself is awful.

[@Sin-Faoladh]

Id have to agree. Even more so when looking at some of dontes concept art

[@64UPAllGOD]

Man, anyone remember that gritty FPS Megaman reboot Capcom was hyping around this time? Shit was wild.

[@Lightaxethewanderer]

In defense of DMC 2 Dante….. He had the best looking outfit not gonna lie. Fan: what about the Dies- NO!!!!!

[@happiestaku6646]

I also seen someone say that he got depressed more so since it is set after DMC1 where he found out Nelo is his brother and he realised that he is probably dead. Then he gets happy again because he found out he has a Nephew.

[@amadhatter3280]

The one thing I'll say in defense of DMC 2's Dante is he was griving over the lose of his brother Vergil (who we thought died in DMC 1), Trish leaving him & Lady nowhere to be seen. It was likely to much for Dante at once so he became cold & distance, but over the course of the game he did start to regain some of the old spark he had (keyword some). The problem of course is we wouldn't learn about his relationship with Vergil (he was just a boss in DMC 1) or even that Lady existed (his potential love interest) until DMC 3 so we had no context for this sudden change of attitude, which in my opinion hurts the game a lot. If the game was released after DMC3 (which would of been DMC2 & DMC2 becoming 3 instead) we'd have more understanding of why Dante is like this from the start.

[@lonestarwolfentertainment7184]

The DMC Anime (which takes place in between DMC 1 & 2) does a really good job in showing Dante’s spiral into the depressed and self loathing edge lord we see in DMC 2.

[@johnimpact260]

The problem is there's a canon novel pre DMC2 story where's Dante is being Dante playful, cocky, and overall a loveable dork we all know so he's not really depressed In the game it's because the story and the characterization of Dante, considering DMC2 development is a bloody dumpster fire

[@user-cd1vs3hi3i]

I just bought this game used and am playing it now. Not sure how I feel about it I will update as I experience this experience: cure to boredom videogames.

[@artistanthony1007]

I feel as if this is Dante lost alot to his demon side and the empty & dreary environments ofc add to that, this even explains why he has access to Majin, 3 even shows that Temen-Ni-Gru little after it awakens causes Dante's DT to flicker alot in an area.

[@TheBlackAntagonist]

Teaser Donte was really interesting to me because he had direction. Clearly, this Donte was supposed to have been dealt a relatively harsher hand and dealt with it poorly. He could have grown into the ante everyone knows or even better, grown into his own version of Dante that works along side the original.

[@brunnokamei9623]

I'm gonna be 100% honest here: DMC isn't a bad game. Heck, I've got more fun out of it than I'd like to admit five years ago. The game have some good ideas like leveling up with skill points instead of red orbs, the angel weapons, the new options to play with guns and the accessibility. However, it's still rough in the edges. Also, Reboot Dante may have some good moments, but OG Dante can't be replaced by an edgy teen/young adult.

[@Mangakamen]

To point something out DMC3 Dante is YOUNGER than Donte.

[@googleisevil8958]

Younger and had so much more swagger than his reboot counterpart. Man rides a missile like a skateboard and acts like it’s just another family party.

[@bluelanternguardianangel8038]

If the devil may cry name wasn't attached to it, it probably wouldn't have gotten so much hate

[@brunnokamei9623]

@@Mangakamen I have nothing against teens or young adults. Some of my favorite characters are either teens or young adults. What I can't stand is edgy and cringe-inducing characters regardless of age or other factors.

[@crystalalumina]

Well the skill points thing was already introduced in DMC4 (proud souls I think it was called) so the red orbs only worked to buy stars, holy water or blue and purple orbs, but movesets and other stuff was with the souls system.

[@sophieknowles4876]

Great video, loved it, I just thought I'd add onto to your brief mention of Vergil, since while the hat is most definitely...a choice, the way they went about "modernising" him is far worse. Firstly, making him the leader of an underground anonymous freedom fighter group is interesting, however we barely see him working as the leader. We see him talk big, but he barely does anything, to the point that I was surprised that Kat was the one getting kidnapped when she could teleport away...and Vergil could not. Secondly, we barely understand why he changes from "we have to save the humans from the evil Mundas" to "I want to rule over these weak humans with an iron fist". Like, he appears to be doing this due to what happened to his Mother, though that doesn't work all that well considering she was an angel and not a regular human. (seriously what purpose did the Nephilim thing serve other than showing that no one at Ninja Theory did any research) But then, right at the end, he suddenly starts acting slightly closer to how DMC3 Vergil was. Like, the fuck? And thirdly, cause I feel like this part isn't discussed as much...the bullet abortion. Right before the third act, without any proper reasoning and as the hostage exchange of Lilith for Kat is transpiring, Vergil aims at Lilith's back and shoots; blowing out her stomach and killing her demon fetus in the process. Then he shoots her in the head. This is why Mundas then goes ape shit and probably ends up killing a lot of people. Heck, he and Kat almost die trying to escape because of this reckless stunt. Pissing Mundas off literally ends up making things harder for them in the end! Soooo, yeah, Donte might be a shit attempt at rebooting a character, but Vergil just feels like both an insult to OG Vergil, a pale imitation of him, and a poorly written arsehole of a character.

[@krastyantheparamount]

Dante's personality in this game.... and the color coded enemies.... oh man

[@johnnycage112]

So glad this version was made non-canon due to the fan backlash

[@Mangakamen]

Yup

[@johnsaibot2359]

I rather have itsuno to remake DMC2 instead of the reboot.

[@Rogue_kat]

dmc devil may cry is actually my first ever devil may cry game. i really enjoyed the combat so much i played it for a long time. then i heard of devil may cry 5 coming announced and i finally decided to play the whole series. the gameplay of dmc devil may cry kept me on it for so long and i was contempt with it, but after playing through 3 and 4 i then realized how much i actually missed out and how much more fun the real dante is. dmc devil may cry did reel me into the devil may cry games and is the reason i love the series now so for that i can always appreciate the game

[@nobalkain624]

I remember when DmC 2 came out and I was like "who the F is this, this isnt Dante". Then when I saw DmC Reboot I was a bit more forgiving of 2, he was more Dante then Donte. I refused to ever touch that game. Thank GOD for 5, that game proves we love Dante for being Dante.

[@clasherinotheone5249]

This game is gameplay wise still good and honestly I would play it anytime over 2

[@nobalkain624]

@@clasherinotheone5249 Never played DmC myself, but thats because I just didnt like the new versions of these Characters. DMC 2 Gameplay was just awful, so I am sure Mechanically DmC is much better. Out of all the Games DMC 2 is the only one I refuse to ever play again.

[@clasherinotheone5249]

@@nobalkain624 yeah I would play DMC on spanish for El donte and enjoy the ok story in a stupid way and I have to give the game credit for the better platforming than the main series haha DMC 2 is a different case only the final boss and the Sin devil trigger/majin get my praise

[@finnmarr-heenan2397]

2 was really bad , but it’s not all terrible, while dante sucks outside of guns and devil trigger, Lucia can be kinda fun and if u beat the game u unlock trish who’s just dmc1 dante with extra moves, of course this won’t fix the god awful enemies/ level design . The amulet and sin devil trigger where cool, first bloody palace, Dante’s design and acrobatic animation where cool.I hope the game gets a complete remake in 5s engine. Add in gilver from the novel and make red Vergil cannon . Maybe even an insane plot twist that dmc2 dante was Vergil all along ( joke that’s awful idea lol )

[@missnanunana01]

God, I love OG Dante. He is so much fun to play and I love his humor. Same for Vergil, Nero, V, Trish & Lady. Heck, I went out of my way to buy the two novels with Beryl & Gilver (*cough cough*) because I enjoy the DMC series so much. As for DmC... It exists.. At times it can even be fun but... That is neither Dante nor Vergil, it is their alternate universes counterpart. Their bad counterparts. And I am relieved that we got DMC5 with the original cast of characters plus cameos from the Anime (Pattys call was sweet & seeing Morrison made me nostalgic). That being said... I'll go & play DMC3 SE on my PS2 now. See ya! (Also, great vid, as always!)

[@CloakofAuron]

Now that we've got some time between when this game came out and today, I'll say that the game has some good points. Setpiece presentation is top notch, and the gameplay mechanics are legitimately good (to the point that Itsuno, who took up the DMC franchise as its director since DMC2, lifted some of that for DMC5's gameplay). The Director's Cut of the game also threw in a number of QoL improvements that made the game a lot more enjoyable (and the PC version afforded some very entertaining mods). But the rest of this game? Dogshit. Dated political themes, themes that were outright stolen from They Live, the edginess that made this game even more juvenile than the main series' humor, and a whole host of character and plot contrivances and "what were they thinking?!" moments brought this game low. The Vergil DLC for this game didn't help matters. Even if DmC's gameplay was more complex, it's no wonder why DMC fans flocked to Revengeance and shat on this game. And the fact that games journalists continued to defend this game with the most asinine justifications and arguments certainly didn't help its image. Not in a million years... would I regard this game in any light as positive as the rest of DMC.

[@wolk6129]

the best thing by far about DmC is how much from this game made it into DMCV,the overall movement making platforming M U C H more smooth,overall animations (like simply moving and swinging blades around) also felt much more smooth making the flow of gameplay feel just right,the way effects look and are delivered mid gameplay/cutscenes with the more "realistic" style of graphics when put with everything i mentioned prior just fitted everything NICELY into a single pack its one of those rare cases where CAPCOM looked back at a old game and did what most companies and critics themseves tend to forget to do nowadays:_find in a overall BAD GAME what WORKS theres potential EVERYWHERE specially in old trash games and DmC is the perfect example of that,again,can't even IMAGINE how DMCV would have looked OR played without DmC

[@Necroxion]

Fun fact: Donte looks a lot like the lead dev and fan antagonizer Tameem Antoniedes One thing that bugs me is that DmC defenders like to bring up "Capcom asked for the design" as a counterpoint, but when you look at the concept art, all the prototypes were such a diverse mix of cyberpunk and fantasy, with some that could actually fit in the "western" vision that Capcom wanted, but somehow they agreed on "dude wearing jacket" as the final design

[@vastzero]

This was the comment I was looking for. The changes to Dante and the insults to the original version and the fans felt so much more man spirited when it was pointed out the Donte looked like Tameem...

[@c0mplex_Ale]

Itsuno himself said that he really like it, wanted it to do good and had plans for sequels, fuck knows why, but he did.

[@OverLorD768]

@@c0mplex_Ale which is exactly why he wanted to quit Capcom entirely, and the price that he demanded for staying was to make DMC 5 entirely the way he wanted, yeah.

[@olivierdamacena4450]

DMC Dmc isn't bad, the game would be incredible if it didn't have the name Devil May Cry

[@GreenTomas2372]

13:55 it's worth pointing out that James Heller of Prototype to was mean-spirited as it was fitting for someone who is gruff and angry trying to find light in his own personal story

[@goroakechi6126]

I honestly have respect for the team working on DMC; DMC. People kinda forgot how much was taken from it’s combat mechanics for DMCV, especially on Vergil’s side of gameplay. The story was trash though.

[@GetzaBerry1it]

Perish

[@Mangakamen]

He's just spamming to help make comments go through - Don't take it personally.

[@VoidstriderLucatiel]

Idk, It did a pretty good job of taking the plots of DMC 1 through 3, and condensing it into a single story. Characters were a little bit dodgy, but the overall story holds up well enough in my opinion. It's just a grungier, dirtier take on Devil May Cry. And you can see how Hideaki Itsuno carried influences from DmC² onward into DMCV. The influences show. The style shows. I think it's a great show of how many people who play video games have Autism, that people reject DmC² so hard. The absolute rejection of change in any way, shape, or form betrays the underlying asperger syndrome of the core audience.

[@goroakechi6126]

@@VoidstriderLucatiel DMC squared is different from a retcon. To put it in economic terms, it would be like if Nintendo one day just stopped their entire video game focus and went back to hanafuta cards. Everyone would hate it because it’s a betrayal of everything Nintendo has built. Not to mention that DMC squared diluted everyone down in order to rip off the ‘dystopia freedom fighters’ plot, including trashing fan favorites like Lady and Trish, and screwing over Dante and Vergil’s personalities. If I wanted to play a game where the protag tells the boss to get fucked, I’d play Duke Nukem.

[@ericquiabazza2608]

Inwould say DMC has potential, as it takes a little more depth with its characters, something that 5 tries too, but most is on extra media, specially V having a manga. If DmC refines its ideas in place of just do a generic take (bosses need a little more imagination) it may become renown by its own name. Having combat being basicly the only conection to DMC original line.

[@solidskullz5736]

I remember way back when my friend got this for his birthday and I would go to his house and watch him play it. We both found that “fuck you” match between Dante and the succubus really funny but that’s was probably because we were both 11 lol

[@GetzaBerry1it]

Perish

[@absolutezer0367]

@@GetzaBerry1it he was 11 bro

[@angelodavidmarabolivarela9505]

When you're 11 almost everything makes you laugh, so is understandable

[@OverLorD768]

16:08 *"Bald Vergil doesn't exit, he can't hurt you"*

[@dontexd6120]

A lot of the early concept arts involved a white haired dante with the signature red coat. from what it seems, ninja theory tried to make this dante a lot closer to the original until capcom told them to stay away from the original franchise as far as they can. even some cut dialogues from the game had the charm of the original dante to some sorts.

[@HansAlRachid]

To this day I can't bring myself to give Ninja Theory's games a chance. The whole DmC PR debacle was so _severely_ mishandled that I've come to develop a personal dislike for everything that company is involved with. Their reps at the time (Tameem Antoniades in particular) were such unbelievable pricks, they directly damaged their own reputation. Which is to say nothing about how painfully unlikeable and bland the game itself turned out to be. That Succubus cutscene is burned into my mind as the most irritatingly juvenile bit I've ever seen in a game.

[@TheDapperDragon]

To this day, I just don't believe devs when they claim death threats. It's an easy critism dodge, a quick way to shovel blame on fans, and I cannot think of a single time they've provided proof. In fact, I can think of several times, not the least of which being TLoU2, where the death threats were proven to be a straight up false flag. You can't just say 'look, the haters said mean things, therefor our game is good.' and expect everyone to believe you. Also, I personally prefer the name Dino over Donte. Rolls of the tounge better. Dante In Name Only.

[@borlox6753]

But how can you also proof that these death threats are fake? Even if is indeed true, the game shouldn't have all of that hate

[@maxacorn]

i played the demo years ago. it was fun to play. the problem was the story and the characters were so unappealing to me that i didn't want to play the full game.

[@lufuse]

The original Dante is 1000% a theater kid and I loved that about him. He was also cool in a cheesy cowboy sorta way. So the fact that Ninja called him edgy and then proceeded to make the edgiest characters ever really bummed me out.

[@a_happyteddy_bear3101]

15:14 gonna need that sauce buddy

[@Mordeiv]

I couldnt care less about this DMC until I saw what they did to my boi Vergil. He looks so UNMOTIVATED.

[@eclipseslayer98]

5:38 Does Anyone have this anime game sauce? Edit* The song that plays at the credits is (Ryu ga Gotoku Zero - OST [Side B] - 35 - Friday Night), or some version like it. I found it by looking up "I'm already cold tonight", and it was like the first song on KZbin.

[@DynoSkrimisher]

Senren Kagura

[@Rhyusfox]

With the way the platform is going, Kamen, ending up in You Tube hell is a sign you're doing things right.

[@narutojutsu4]

This was one of my 100% completed games on my 360, and definitive edition was my first PS4 100% trophy completion. I actually really like when reboots are drastically different from the original. I actually got the pendant edition from the Capcom store. I love hearing why people don't like it though cause it is usually fair statements. Love the channel, the video, and your art style!

[@nicpelkey]

I am so glad that I still haven't played this game to this day. In fact, I would even go as far as to say that I would rather play Devil May Cry 2 than this because I can at least get over that game's troubled development. Also, there are not enough words that can describe how happy I was when Devil May Cry 5 was revealed.

[@c0mplex_Ale]

I’d play it because I’m curious to see how stupid it manages to be. Maybe it’s endearing to see how badly they missed the mark with trying to make Dante cooler. But I haven’t played every game in the series yet, so I’ll only play it whenever I’m tired of playing good games lol

[@hulktopf5031]

the sad thing is that ninja theory was well known for great story telling. that makes this game so much worse, because the writing is so bad. in the trailer there were some promising shots, like dante being hold in a cell with chains and the glitchy blend over to the fighting, which could have meant they had some psychology plots planned like Jacobs ladder just with swords and guns.

[@Hajime790]

Cope

[@TheCyclicGamer]

I was still in high school when this game was first announced, and I vividly remember the hate people had towards it due to Dante's new appearance, the most notable complaint was his hair, which I thought was kind of childish. Bear in mind that this was before most of us found out that DmC was a reboot instead of a sequel, especially since some of the trailers online had the title of the video as "Devil May Cry 5" instead of "DmC Devil May Cry", so the I found the hate towards Dante's new appearance to be puzzling at the time. At the time when I thought this was the actual DMC5, the first trailer gave an indication that the Dante we would be playing as is not the real Dante, but an imposter, which is why he says "My name is Dante" in a voice we don't recognize as the real Dante's. Since that original trailer gave hints that "Dante" was undergoing some kind of psychological conditioning, my theory at the time was that Capcom was going for the initial concept of DMC4 where Nero was supposed to be a failed clone of Vergil rather than his biological son, but doing it for "Dante" instead, and the reason was that the demons decided to fight fire with fire and create a version of Dante that fought for them instead of against them, maybe even sending him out to kill the real Dante, and the reason he had black hair instead of white hair was because his demonic powers weren't fully grown yet but would turn white when they do as even in that first trailer you can see patches of white hair on him. I think if both Ninja Theory and Capcom ran with this concept as a spin-off storyline to the original series rather than the overall reboot we did get, it could've been both a great game and a great story, the story of a man created to be a dark replacement for a great hero. For the record, I actually like DmC for what it's worth, and it does do a few things better than the main series (Particularly the level design), but I don't blame people for hating this.

[@Vash2123]

I really enjoyed the game & remember replaying this a good number of times with the different skins. Would love to see a sequel of that universe. But sadly I know that isn't the case. 😩 I would've liked to have seen this Dante grow to a Dante more familiar. 🤔

[@masterseal0418]

-Dante- Donte's character made me consider that Dante dancing like Michael Jackson and Nero flipping the bird and yelling "F*ck you!" at Vergil were both a perfect mockery of this dogshit. In other words, I also consider Kat as the lesser Trish, Lady, and to a lesser extent, Patty & Lucia. There's also the boss battles which are lackluster(although if this Dante mocked them in a playful manner, it would've been very funny but no). From now on, I'm calling DmC Devil May Cry, "Blood On The Dance Floor" thanks to Angry Joe. DMC5 for life, 9/10 Seal of Quality, DmC Devil May Cry, average mess I didn't enjoy, 7/10.

[@crimsondragon9099]

DmC wasn’t perfect but neither is the og series. I mean a middle age Dante still acting like a class clown doing the moonwalk.

[@masterseal0418]

@@crimsondragon9099 And most of the King of Pop's dance moves, lol.

[@WhiteManOnCampus]

This game had fun gameplay, the Limbo concept was pretty cool, and there was a lot of interesting world-building. The idea of modernizing runic circles through spray paint struck me as really inspired when I first played it, and going into the game without knowledge of the behind-the-scenes shittery had me seeing things like Dante's "Not in a million years" comment strike me as more playful foreshadowing of him changing and growing rather than an insult to the fans.

[@streetdude9664]

I mean your gonna piss people off, especially when fans wanted old dante, and then you do that ofc,

[@ReZoura]

I hope they make a part 2. I enjoyed the first one. Just took it head on with an opened mind. Nice video!

[@deepseastonecore3017]

If your 50 miles fron your destination and you're driving 50 mph and every mile you decrease your by1 mph, how long will it to drive that 50 miles?

[@Mangakamen]

1 minute, cause I'm always at my destination lol.

[@Ofxzh]

I was born in the almighty year of 2005, so I wasn’t born in time for me to experience the game when it first released or old enough to play it. Thank you for the introduction to it.

[@exostudios8563]

I enjoy the gameplay except for the *insert weapon class here* to kill enemies, but the game itself for me always ran fine. Some of the designs are good(even though the creators did insult the OG designs) and the story is a mix bag. I enjoy certain characters like Phineas and the different take on the story of Dante and Virgil. However the game falls flat on the reasoning for all of this. In the original Devil May Cry, Mundus kill only Vergil(until we find out Dante kinda killed Vergil in 3) and now for some reason it was his mother now. Dante however didn't know about this until a flashback after he gain his angel powers(which still mixed on if they are either Half Demon/Half Angel or Demon/Human) with the Scythe. Also the excessive use of F*ck you was annoying.

[@Mangakamen]

Rebellion should've been a neutral weapon that could still deal damage, but deal less damage.

[@commonsense5199]

I Still remember the photo comparison of Donte and the director of DMC. Is Donte really a self insert?

[@Mangakamen]

Maybe

[@Deadsphere]

The scene of Dante getting dressed mid-air was kinda badass though, you have to admit

[@artistanthony1007]

It's the only time we've seen something like that, OG Dante does way more moments like that.

[@Deadsphere]

@@artistanthony1007 I am firmly in the boat that DmC did not suck. I have played it and DMC5, and both are great in their own rights. DmC should have been its own spin off series.

[@BeeGBoss]

Was watching and was surprised you used a clip from my vid...im honored.

[@Mangakamen]

I love Donte, El Exterimador de Deminos.

[@metalrob6713]

Your editing skills are heavenly to watch.

[@Mangakamen]

Thank the help of my editor.

[@rjs4176]

The devs were ashamed of the Devil May Cry series' past? Wow, before starting development they really should have watched Kung Fu Panda 2. That would have helped.

[@MisteRRYouTuby]

15:42. Where did you get that footage? What did you search it under?

[@miguelescobedo5112]

A DmC reboot video and it's talking about the positives about it huh the more you learn and watch along the way.

[@jumpingmoose5554]

I honestly enjoyed this game after playing it for myself. I was on the hate train for a while before then. I agree the writing isn't very good, but I think that a sequel to the reboot could give it a redemption arc like Andrew Garfield with no way home. I would like to have a sequel since we finally got dmc5.

[@alispeed5095]

No one talks about the lack of taunt button in dmc devil may cry. For me, this was one of the worst things they did. Coupled with removal of style system. This game was an imposter tryin to convince us its a devil may cry game.

[@juniorvasquez93]

What’s that game at 5:38 Edit: Never mind senran kagura should’ve figured it would be something like that

[@TheAzureNightmare]

If I wanted to make Mario and Luigi Darker and Edgier, I'd start by having them portrayed by Joe Pesci and Ray Liotta respectively. One minute Mario's Leo Getz and Marv of the Wet Bandits, the next he's Tommy DeVito from Goodfellas, or Nicky Santoro from Casino. There's still bound to be plenty of goofy moments of course. Might end up looking like a mix of an old Newgrounds Flash, and a GMod flick featuring Mario. Crispy Toast comes to mind.

[@ghoxtlyrose4724]

Your editor knows Honkai Impact. Your editor is officially cool

[@gpscroll1562]

I remember when I got to the cutscene where Verngal explained the situation to Dino. The moment he said they were nephelim I nearly choked my drink. The writers couldn't even be asked for a quick Google search on what a Nephelim even was. And doing that they took away one of the vital points in Dante and Virgils character, that they part human. Hell last time I saw a half angel half demon was on Wattpad. And there's the whole narrative of Mundus was the most powerful demon so he is automatically the King which does the original a huge disservice. Old Mindus wasn't the strongest hell he was far from it. He rose to power through manipulation and making friends with the right people and undermining any problems that could rise up. Now thats a good villain. Not big power slimeball in the reboot.

[@maybeimrambling9401]

no mundus was the strongest in the original dmc 5 just fucked up the story that's all

[@gpscroll1562]

@@maybeimrambling9401 Argosax, Sparda, Beowulf. I forget that one demon from the anime that was sealed away cause he was to strong started with a A I believe. Balrog from the prequel novel. He wasn't the strongest, he was just the one who wanted the throne and had the gray matter to do it.

[@maybeimrambling9401]

@@gpscroll1562 dmc 5 fucked the lore the series was supposed to end at the first sparda become more powerful when he went to protect humanity the balrog in novel being as strong as mundus made no sense same goes for argosax the game called him the demon emperor and prince of darkness because no can beat him if anyone can challenge his claim then his title would be meaningless

[@nelosparda4798]

@@maybeimrambling9401 no DMC5 did not fuck up the lore mundus stop being the strongest in DMC2 when argrosax was introduced argrosax was stated in the Japanese version of DMC2 to not only have every ability of every demon but also have the power to merge the human and demon world which was something mundus wanted to do in DMC1 (also balrog was never stated to be stronger than mundus in the novel i don't know what the fuck your talking about)

[@nelosparda4798]

@@gpscroll1562 Balrog is not the king of the underworld his only the king of fire hell (it a certain section in the underworld that balrog and formally bariel rules over)

[@John-Stark]

14:06, Hell i think DIO would fit here as well because DIO actively went out of his way to be a bastard like Donte, yet I seen people on the Internet rival Pucci in terms of revering him

[@zoomboomdmc207]

One of my favorite parts of this game was LIMBO. Seeing the world turn and twist around you was dope!

[@bigpickenergy5321]

I will always love reboot (definitive). 8 different difficulties, Dante plays as a mixture of dmc4 Nero and og Dante, a more approachable albeit still deep combat system, no multiple characters nonsense swap like dmc4 and 5 - just Dante gameplay thro 20 levels, hard-core mode, must style, etc. If not for reboot I wouldn't have played the others. 🙂

[@justjohd6565]

I really enjoyed it....after I brought dlc costumes for the classic outfit, anything than the new design , I was upset cuz as a kid I thought this was devil may cry 5 and I was thinking why they made Dante look like that and I even thought kat was lady from DMC 3 , the story of the game wasn't interesting until the end because we got an glimpse of that Dante vs Vergil feel badass feel of two opposing forces , like I litterly felt like the mundas boss fight was a sub boss to the main event. SO I enjoyed it through dlc and combos but overall it was bad ...

[@bronyafan]

9:17 this frame got me interested in what do you think about hi3rd

[@shy5327]

Thanks for the video

[@justinbowen5574]

I can say one nice thing about DMC devil may cry. A man styling on women and children on a news channel will never not be funny.

[@Kvasir05]

i remember the hype for this game and the let down

[@quarreneverett4767]

Been with you from the start buddy be praised more.videos :) I always liked you honest and fair sense of justice always related

[@Mangakamen]

Thanks a ton

[@quarreneverett4767]

@@Mangakamen no worries. I am still sorry I didnt get to get back to you sooner about explaining volume normalizing those years ago wasnt in a position to handle much well wasnt eating and health wa bad and moved to another state. :) I'm hoping I can get the support I need for my dissability soon. BUt I nthe meantime doing what I can to get by. Anyways I did respond to it later but that was too late I believe :) thanks for the thanks

[@KittyKatty999]

Great Dante animation! Classic G-Mod Vibes!

[@dragonmastertheedgeking1595]

Ironically, Dante's redesign is one of the only things I found good about the game, especially when he regains his white hair. My problems are 1. Ninja Theory's being dull try hard Edgelords, calling Dante a "gay cowboy" and sending back death threats to old fans. 2. Vergil in general, I honestly believe a pineapple would have made a better plot twist villain. 3. Vergils downfall, although it gave us an original story, it was boring and didn't improve on Vergil as a character, which I honestly prefer how the normal SE does it. 4. There where better games that did edgy right, being No More Heroes, MadWorld, Bayonetta and Metal Gear Rising. 5. Kate was somehow more useless than Kyrie during DMC4, and that's saying something! 6. All enemies moved more predictable than the other instalments, with the exception of Dream Runner. 7. The story doesn't know when to be serious or when to be funny. 8. The soundtrack was butchered compared to the album versions. 9. Out of everything they changed why couldn't Vergil be on our side? Why did he need to become demon king, seriously back to the pineapple. 10. Angel and Devil Mode were useless style replacements. 11. All bosses sucked besides Bob.

[@googleisevil8958]

Apparently so did the creator of DMC. I think he based Nero’s DMC V look off of Donte which I think works better for Nero.

[@DarkSpyro707]

It would have been a better twist if Dante was the one that turned evil at the end. Have Dante beat mundas, but the journey along the way has taken its tool. tired of the world being against him for no real good reason and seeing how shitty it is. Have Virgil be the good guy and try to slap some sense into Dante but fails, the he runs off to become the Demon King and Virgil basically has to start over. Seriously, if they were so hell bent to change everything about devil may cry, why keep the one thing already done in previous game?

[@nejiharuno]

@@DarkSpyro707 Probably wouldn't be a good idea to switch to Virgil's play style for the final fight. They could have segments where we play as Virgil instead, but then people would ask "why involve Donte?" I'll always shit on this game's story, but I can see why they keep the dynamic as is. THE DLC HOWEVER-

[@DarkSpyro707]

@@nejiharuno well dante turning bad doesn't mean you switch to virgil, you still get to fight it out as dante. im talking purely as a better story twist for a better setup sequel thats not just a retread of the old storyline when they wanted to do everything new.

[@taji5878]

I love this game but I understand the hate. The first time I saw that awful Tokyo game show trailer I knew I was gonna hate the game but my dad had gotten it for me anyway so I had to try it and it was (in my opinion) awesome. Absolutely not my fav DMC, but satisfied my cravings during the DMC drought. Good video though, you make fire content!

[@garretwoeller7669]

DMC2 Dante had Gothic drip that I wish would come back as a alt costume for dmc6

[@jericb]

A dumb idea, but it'd be cool for some multiverse shit where the og crew run into the DmC one. Donte is already a tiny bit reformed by the end of his game, maybe he could have a whole mentoring thing with the real Dante, I don't know what the plot would look like however, that shit sounds hard

[@bringonthevelocirapture]

It is kinda weird to hate the game that brought an entirely new generation to the Devil may Cry series. I don't think DmCV would be as flashy if it weren't for the people like me who had fun with this. I 100% think Devil may cry is better in almost every conceivable way. But, i mean, it's partially responsible for the revival sorta. And directly responsible for Nero's new personality.

[@gamma00crucis]

no, and no. this game sold poorly, you clearly didn't play 4 because nero is the same as then, and the flashiness is inherent in DMC. the reboot is responsible for none of that.

[@keenancharles3886]

I liked this one. Yeah its basically Ichigo Kurosaki in DMC it was still a interesting change for me. The music also killed. I could see him turn from the stuck up teen to the lovable dante we have now since there is a big age gap. At least it beat DMC 2 cause that Dante was a drone

[@Mangakamen]

Perfectly fine if you like it.

[@ElvenRaptor]

Don't insult Ichigo like that.

[@EggmanlandResident]

I enjoyed DmC when I first played through back when it came out. Even had a friend who enjoyed it as well. I thought the combat was also pretty fun if a little predictable at times. Later on, I grabbed it again with the definitive version. I still enjoyed it overall, but the writing and gameplay haven't aged as well. And they did swear too much. But I so think a lot of the visual design for the environments was great. Limbo itself was really neat with how it twists and distorts. I do think they should've kept the DmC Vergil as a good guy. It would've made it a bit more unique. Ah well.

[@Mangakamen]

I think I would've enjoyed the visual a bit more if the original game wasn't capped at 30 FPS, made things a bit too rugged for my tastes

[@ItsLhaza]

After playing all the games watching the anime’s and reading all the novels/ mangas then comparing it to the reboot it really shows the disrespect to the original timeline. You said it perfectly in this video it’s as if someone that liked some aspects of the game but didn’t pay attention to the actual heart and lore of the game decided to make a devil may cry game. The character design didn’t really put me off but his dialogue and demeanor weren’t true to the character but I guess that’s what they intended and it blew up in their face.

[@arrd]

seems like you had a ton of fun with this script

[@SuperBrunout]

The gameplay was alright. Not as complex as DMC4 but still fun. The story tho? Ugh.

[@InugamiTheHound]

i like DmC devil may cry but the initial idea of dante being in insane asylum was very interesting to me but we didn't get that in final product and also I think this game should have never came out of ps3 and xbox 360 instead on the ps4/xbox 1 that would fix a lot problems. I played the DLC for this game with Vergil and it was pretty interesting I do want to see sequel to it. I love original DMC game along with DMC3, I wasn't a fan of DMC4 at first but now became a huge fan of along with DMC5 which was so damn good. Nero in DMC5 is like one of the best character action characters of all time. I think the best version of Dante is still DMC3 Dante then DMC1, DMC4 is bit too overtop and DMC2 Dante we don't talk about.

[@parallelzawarudo4903]

Are you gonna do a review of DMC4(SE)

[@jhnyjoejoe69]

we need a cross over of both Dantes.

[@Patty-Q]

Ah yes, I remember when this came out. I spent a good week replaying 4 before buying this and honestly? Game play could be fun, but whatever fun you had was bogged down by well...everything else. Also, I thought it was a mop head that flew onto Donte, but don't quote me on that.

[@NeloBladeOfRanni]

Honestly dmc2 Dante > reboot Dante lmao Also one of my biggest pet peeves with this game beyond how dirty they did Dante and Vergil is Lilith. They took one of the most bad ass goddesses/demons (depends who you ask) from both paagn and Jewish mythology and ruined her (while I have no direct evidence they based the games Lilith off her real life mythology counter part it would be a pretty big coincedence if they didn't lmao.

[@T-Jex]

Why didnt you showed sexy Mario from that Mercedes Benz comercial when talking about a muscular Mario?

[@silviogrijalva8801]

I enjoyed it when it came out but I hadn’t played any other other games in the series before hand. I understand the criticism of it but i still remember it fondly.

[@B3N_Youtube]

I’m quite glad I got out of my dumb punk phase, because I would’ve been a photo like DMC devil my cry. I’ve played through all of the DMC games except for the reboot and I will never touch it personally, but damn, The original series is chock-full of good. Although I still wish for a remake for DMC 1 and 2. Would love to see those in the RE engine!

[@GetzaBerry1it]

Perish

[@B3N_Youtube]

@@GetzaBerry1it hey, i’m just saying. DMC one can use a touchup and DMC2 needs surgery to get better.

[@Mangakamen]

He's just spamming to help make comments go through - Don't take it personally.

[@B3N_Youtube]

Huh.

[@Mangakamen]

Yeah, the more comments I get, the more the video gets pushed into the algorithm.

[@Cozy-000]

I've heard the definitive edition is a major improvement to the game, which i believe. However like MangaKamen this was not the game I played on release and even more of a clown moment, the PC version is the vanilla version. I played the Reboot when i went through the franchise in highschool. I played them in release order and yeah they become my favorite games of all time. But when i got to this it was like hitting a brick wall. I had played the games back to back to back so i didn't have nostalgia i literally played them in the same year and even I didn't like DINO. DMC: devil may cry feels like it was made by 13 year olds trying to be adult because "IM NOT A KID ANYMORE I'M 13 I PLAY COD AND I WATCH HORROR MOVIES".

[@nobodyimportant2534]

5:48 what game is this from? 15:14 sauce?

[@TheGodQuac]

Bro we are in the middle of an important subject and u ask for sauce?

[@nobodyimportant2534]

@@TheGodQuac yes

[@daryljavelonia1955]

I like where the story of DMC is going. It's a build up game to a far more deep story. It had potential. And a lot of OG fans didn't see it. . Dante's slowly building his character, his hair turned white, Vergil became corrupted after the dlc, demon's existence was introduced to the world. . . It's like a prologue.

[@Mangakamen]

I think saying that OG fans didn't see it is kinda unnecessary - and the game devs literally stated that their goal was to make a prologue to the current DMC games.

[@jalentask9886]

There were things about this game that i liked but how they changed the characters and 50% of bad script lines made me roll my eyes. I like the game, but i really really love DMC5 for everything it did right

[@Snakedude4life]

Bad marketing, spiteful writing and disrespectful to the series itself. Tell me if you’ve heard this one before. 🎩 🐍no step on Snek! 🇺🇸🇭🇰

[@Mangakamen]

Video games in the 2010's

[@DarkSpyro707]

Western entertainment for the last 15 years

[@666stryder666]

Everytime I think about DMC Devil May Cry I always think back on to Angry Joe's intro of the review. It pretty much was a true story of how I felt about DmC.

[@Sleepyhead._.alex96]

The name of the outro plz