My Friend Programmed a Super Hard Advance Wars AI

[@Mangs1337]

Me: Advance Wars AI sucks, it can't offer a decent challenge. Kartal: Hold my giant pencil

[@That-Comrade555]

after watching the video, this is so true edit: didnt watch it yet but i skipped a couple parts

[@JasonGodwin69]

Is it hard enough to beat Overpowered Sensei? (His CO power makes Mechs at 9hp, his SCOP makes battle copters at 9HP)

[@dragonlord1507]

👍👍👌👌

[@miguelbaltasar4308]

More than the AI, I think you lost because sturm he is OP and on this map his movement is insane, with lots of mountains, rivers, forest etc that blocks you

[@izanagi3521]

oof that was a tough level, i won with 275 points, so close to S rank :( I did not realize how OP sturm was when he uses meteor strike, my small tank does 18% to his tank on city, wtf EDIT: I GOT 300 score, won on day 11. Gotta beat sturm before he uses meteor strike :D

[@nin10doadict]

The AI definitely seems improved but this doesn't seem the best showcase of that. A lot of the struggle comes from you being Jess on a capture mission with her crappy infantry versus Sturm on a map with lots of rough terrain...

[@Mangs1337]

I would probably be able to win easily vs a regular CO, but it still is impressive to see how the AI actually correctly utilizes APC's and actually sends its units out to harass me. Normally it just hangs around it's own HQ.

[@jessepatten6502]

Gonna have to agree on this one, I'd love to see this improved AI play with other CO matchups, or maybe in one of the campaign missions

[@clydefrosch]

@@Mangs1337 I'd guess that on most campaign maps, if the entire army was mobile on turn one, it'd probably be impossible to win a lot of missions too

[@IONATVS]

@@clydefrosch They could probably make a hard, but beatable campaign making use of the full AI by changing the pre-deploys and property balances on each map a bit closer to "balanced" as a way to counteract the tuned-up the AI--but that'd be a LOT more work to pull off than a single custom mission.

[@doubl2480]

"I need to get Turbo Charge, I need to get Turbo Charge so I can destroy his Rocket!" "But Mangs, doesn't he gain twice as many stars as you when you destroy his units?" "TURBO CHARGE GOES BRRRRRRRR" ... and this was the biggest mistake of this match...

[@kentmichaelgalang686]

wonder if he would have fared better as adder instead of jess? i think mangs might have gotten used to getting a +move CO power that's really cheap and spammable.

[@vodkawhisperer3923]

that rocket had to die. it wouldve covered those properties

[@Mixa_Lv]

22:12 The biggest mistake of the run :p The overly optimistic struggle for a power star and clumping units on critical properties just before Sturm gets his Meteor Strike was honestly a Mangs play of the year.

[@mauricesteel4995]

Man, Kartal is a really cool dude, kudos for him.

[@michaelvillynch9643]

Kartal was my favorite player in Sturm Mangs vs 3 players. You can tell how big brain he is

[@remixtheidiot5771]

There was never a timer in this chalenge. Part of the reason it was so hard was because mangs can't read. He lost before the mission even began...

[@Posby95]

To be fair, I also thought there was a time limit. Jess brings up the 15 days just before starting the mission, for no reason. It probably is just the S rank requirement, but if so, some fault lies in the map creator for not being clear. Mangs could have checked the victory terms in the menu, though.

[@truegamer_007]

@@Posby95 there was no victory terms in menu tho

[@flukenchrome9259]

Title should be: Advance Wars but the A.I doesn’t hate APCs

[@arnenesbye2420]

It only prioritizes APCs in ADW1 tho

[@flukenchrome9259]

Shhhhhhh

[@ae4164]

​@arnenesbye2420 The AI still prioritizes transports in AW2. Good try though.

[@DemonFox369]

A smart AI with Sturm’s movement seems really hard. Plus his Infantry are way stronger.

[@theblackantonio]

Picked the wrong opponent to showcase the impressive AI!

[@DekuLord]

4:58 Biggest mistake of the match! Seriously though it's amazing how a small move like that could have a HUGE impact on the outcome of the match. If Mangs placed it to the right of the infantry to protect the capture, the match would have likely gone very differently as he would have had that base much sooner allowing him to put pressure on the northern properties much sooner.

[@bingobongo1615]

Follow up error of not getting a troop transport and two infantry in the first turn . Capturing factories close to the likely frontline in the first turns almost always is the deciding factor of a match.

[@fernando47180]

Yep, Mangs is not the best strategist by a long shot

[@inaliann]

checking ranges is for dorks

[@i_am_jarvistm7220]

Mangs: *Continuously brings up time requirement and debates over and over on it* Me: *DO YOU SEE A "# Day(s) Left" NEXT TO THE CO WINDOW?!*

[@ApocDevTeam]

The AI loves sending units to defend his own infantry when they're capturing properties, that's why his units sometimes 'retreat'.

[@panzer_TZ]

Those Sturm Recons are brutal af. The Green Earth veterans of this battle will be having nightmares of Sturm Recons. They make capping properties on the front line damn near impossible without a wall of supporting troops.

[@Crawver]

As cool as that was, I feel the fact that it was sturm on a capture mission did a lot of the heavy lifting. No need to program around terrain, and recons are absolute menaces. I would want to see how any non-sturm CO would handle there, as those recons ability to interrupt caps in a way you never could is such a powerful thing.

[@Quoise_]

I love this, the advance wars hard campaigns are fun but mostly it’s just a bigger armor, having strategy be a bigger importance is more fun and challenging in a way that is fair

[@MegamanNG]

Go to 24:42 to see Mangs get rekt bad by the Meteor Strike.

[@Flawskiii]

Kartal, you magnificent bastard, keep up the awesome work with the AI changes. This game really needs it.

[@dotapazappy]

24:36 what a good meteor strike

[@clydefrosch]

Putting the strongest Co against the weakest on a map catering specifically to Sturm, I have half a mind guessing that he just set a build order and forced the first couple turns of moves, the rest is just more aggro

[@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox]

I mean, he did say that he could make it harder by *any* means necessary short of spawning with a pre deployed army. Not having the map cater to the enemy wouldn't be by *any* means necessary.

[@MrHublibubs]

"This is where the fun starts" We were at the verge of greatness, we were this close!

[@GeneralBlaguin]

24:36 I literally burst out of laughter when I saw the Co bar fully charged

[@OneWhoKnowsThings6009]

When mangs has the intelligence of flak..

[@davidwhidden9337]

Look guys. Mangs' meteor strike strat worked! The meteor crushed 4 infantry.

[@soulhoney1227]

First time a kaizo advance wars interesting

[@TheJadeknight7]

He forgor, and that caused the biggest mistake of the match. That's a double meme whammy!

[@soulhoney1227]

I wonder if kartal is able to make a flak hard mission

[@triarii9257]

Was the AI actually better? Like others have observed, the fact that you're playing against Sturm in a time based mission was the main difficulty. Honestly the only observable change was AI not preferring infantry/APC targets.

[@brianli6562]

Yes it was. The infantry did no suicide and stayed on the city to the right as moving would only make it die at no benefit. The units didn't clutter themselves and make others unable to attack. The units had priorities right by attacking an infantry that could cap freely next turn instead of a low tank or full hp tank. And using apcs pretty well.

[@SoldierOfFate]

Sturm would be hyper aggro and literally throw everything at you if this map used the regular AI coding.

[@somerandomnesspoo8467]

I want to see one of those AI made generation learning (where slight differences are made from the copy of the best of the previous generation). Those things are the definition of the 4D chess meme. Like imagine Sigma Colin except it actually worked.

[@Dessiekens]

So close to 100k! I'm looking forward to it!

[@martinrusso409]

1:36 Jess is Astolfo confirmed

[@mercuryGMMF45P]

16:23 if the AI was smart enough to send that infantry to join capture, and parking a tank on the adjacent city too, I think the game might end there

[@quirbiefe7544]

"gIvE mE tUrBoChArGe REEEEEEEEEEEEE" - Mangs, 2021

[@robbyg1232]

At least the AI doesnt go on suicide attacks just to damage an APC lol.

[@brandonwilliams6119]

I guess you could say the A.I was _Advanced_

[@DarkOrderSolDjango]

20:06 IMO attacking the tank using the mech to strike on the mountain would have been more effective.

[@zhamcabilan3526]

Omg The meteor arrives when you least expect it

[@tensai9871]

Dude, I tried this map. My fist time went a bit bad cuz I also got confused. You lose if Sturm gets 16 cities but I guess the first comment of doing it on 15 days is some kind of tip on how to get the S rank. Anyway, the first time was going ok but I lost due to bases. The second one tho... It started okay, I was moving my troops on an L shape and I was having a good time fighting on the middle. There was this one time where I had a clear advantage and I was like "I got this" but then he started to focus the top left, since it's so small he just used Meteor Strike and destroyed everything there. He stole that part completely and just rolled in inside my base and I couldn't stop him at all. He also totally kicked me out from the right side and couldn't do anything about it either. It was a massacre.

[@BoorishM]

The way you beat AI usually is to Rush a medium tank on each front and protect it. AI doesn't know how to deal with it

[@BoorishM]

Beat it in 27 days :)

[@arkkladen3205]

I noticed that the indirects target enemies at their farthest range with enemy movements applied. But causes the artilery not to position to target the Barracks at the leftside. The AI indirects are having a safe play.

[@mcihay246]

99.9k subs? Congrats Mangs!

[@benjaminkutt8231]

Congratulations for the people who saw the previous thumbnail of the videos.

[@DD-ko1nn]

Would love to see a rematch now that you know the win condition.

[@dagdamor1]

Custom COs versus the super-AI. Let’s put Gustav, Alice, and the rest to the test!

[@keenices1972]

Can Kartal make an "Oops! All Neotanks!" Campaign Challenge? Edit: make.

[@SilentDrumrRemix]

I actually managed to beat it. took me like 4 tries though lol. this was a great challenge! i hope to get that jess remix out soon for you :D

[@rommelluna9613]

I just finished the map. I watched it first and eventually try it out. I finished the map on my first try.

[@Panzergraf]

24:35 he forgor!

[@megarotom1590]

Imagine if they used this in the reboot (I believe the leak you mentioned mentioned multiple tiers of ai). Once you just add "don't repair on bases" and maybe fix the indirects...it would be terrifying

[@slyllamademon2652]

I would’ve relied on indirects a lot here because of how Sturm’s Day to day works.

[@PICADALOL]

Absolutely loved this!!

[@certifiedcat9010]

Damn this is going to be like Chess neural networks just for Advance wars

[@CristianLopez-lu5ce]

Now we need to see the matchup but with the normal ai, to see how impactful it is

[@minnick66]

24:54 Super Big Brain AI moment

[@aqa2866]

green earth capital is like 1920 berlin

[@huyisjan]

Won in 19 days with my first attempt and 13 days in my second. The AI is smart but definitely exploitable

[@babyplaneswalker341]

I feel like mangs didn't expect it to be as difficult as it was so he didn't pay as close attention to the win conditions nor did he really plan out his first couple of moves. I also think if he had one or two more APCS then he could have captured the top alot quicker and even maybe those middle ones

[@SynergyGamingTV]

Dude that was rough!!

[@williamromanowski6981]

I'd love to see some original campaign missions with this AI

[@LordFrognaros]

I think we gotta go the alphastar route and generate a super ai to compete at a professional level

[@alfredozamora2586]

“October 2021 AW AI has become self aware….”

[@PinkP0nyPr0ducti0n5]

The AI actually knows how to joincap, it does it all the time, just like normal joining. But it only does so if the combined HP don't exceed 10

[@jerry3115]

The reason this is hard is because lol aw2 sturm

[@arjonfulgencio1726]

I feel like the Day 15 is just perfect 300 speed

[@ryanprjgamingchannel9437]

Good luck for trying to defeat the AI that is smarter than -ALL- most AW Players

[@rpgaddict314]

I feel like indirects would have been very useful on this map.

[@KnownAsKenji]

Wish there could one day be a Google Alphastar style AI, that has to learn the game on its own.

[@urbanberndtsson]

Wait, so the AI won't get a hard-on for APCs anymore? B L A S P H E M Y !

[@jenniferjensen379]

Almost at 100K mangs!

[@krisjohn4668]

I like that Jess just carries a tank round on her shoulder.

[@cfilorvyls457]

Huh.... You know I just noticed that. All this time I really thought she's just hauling a REALLY big pencil.

[@thormonk]

Turbo charge, more like, turtle charge @ about 55% through the video

[@kevinduffy2688]

It really seemed like the AI while not perfect understood which properties would be contested most and made sure you wouldn't get them

[@genzkie2082]

Im actually interested on what will mangs do for a 100K special either make a advance wars video or a fire emblem video?a

[@dugtrioramen]

You got the turbo charge, but at what cost

[@JuanMatteoReal]

Note: Almost to 100K subs.

[@howaboutno7959]

Its the damn sturm recons.

[@arts6821]

Wanted to say congrats on 100k before you get there! :)

[@BoltTheEmolga]

Would it be possible for him to just plop the AI into regular HC, so we can experience hard campaign as normal but with a smart opponent?

[@brianli6562]

Then you have a smart AI with predeployed units of hard campaign. Factory missions would be impossible even if they don't start with any units.

[@BoltTheEmolga]

@@brianli6562 I never said it'd be completable, just possible

[@brianli6562]

@@BoltTheEmolga oh yeah def possible.

[@SethBeastable]

2:58 sturms base is shaped like a swastika

[@MrMoustaffa]

To'noight on bottum gear: Kartal teaches an AI how to move forward, Sturm builds fookin recons, and Mangs never gets his Turbo Charge

[@bernizubi5217]

Time to pit the AI against the grandmasters of AWBW.

[@Taenarius]

I'm not sure this is the best display, repair AI still needs a lot of work. The AI gimped itself hard by leaving a recon on the top base. Maybe the AI should not use bases for long term repairs when cities are available?

[@daddysmurf2266]

now this is one good AI imagine the missions with this AI would be awesome, but prob need some redesign

[@puffclantv8436]

kinda wish in the remaster they didn't have that wood frame around the map

[@thanos4769]

Biggest mistake of the match: Instructions unclear, now on a peace treaty with sturm

[@Hone_mor2525]

Subtle building formation of Sturm's properties...

[@starsoul7771]

Oh, God. I just noticed it

[@randomsomewhat-kinda-quasi1065]

Fried egg in Three Two One ‘Ere we go

[@coolblubird]

Hey my man kartal! He did a great job

[@ColdEmperor]

During video: a tie always means house wins. Jess did say “I hope I can survive 15 days.” I’m not surprised you thought there was a time limit. I did too. Imo there should be a time limit to really bring in the challenge. End of video: you tried your best and failed miserably. The lesson is never to try. I see a lot of people saying it’s only hard cuz it’s sturm and in like…… who gives a fuck? The point of “challenge” is to surmount and insurmountable wall. You do what you have to to create that challenge. Excuses are a cowards way. Thankfully Mangs is no coward and took the loss on his chin. This experience will make him stronger. BELIEVE IT!

[@KINFIN123]

So why didn’t you check the terms of the mission if you were confused?

[@mariokartftw1]

almost 100k champ

[@ivangomez8288]

Sturm recons: FIUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM

[@Posby95]

Not the best idea to use the most OP CO in the game to showcase new AI. I think Mangs lost because of Sturm, not because the AI was smart.

[@I-ONLY-BUILD-MECHS-AND-DUSTERS]

Interesting. The AI seemed to figure out that they now controlled the area around that base and went elsewhere. Still, if you're making a better AI I would prefer to see a symmetrical map.

[@maxiebon1]

Aw2 Sturm 1 is my favourite villains ever

[@Tooinsecuretousemyrealname]

It’s about time we got Advanced Wars stockfish

[@EnderCrypt]

will you play more? this is great

[@bird3713]

After listening to you all the way through to the end, I went back to the beginning and saw that Jess says "Can I win in 15 days, I wonder?" So it's not like you were making up a time limit.

[@myzimensi]

This might be me misunderstanding but I spent most of the video thinking "CHECK THE TERMS!" That said don't know if they edit that in the rom hack too?

[@arnenesbye2420]

Nice suprise video

[@rensten4893]

*watches half...* *Jaw drops...* Oof... Egged, are you okay?

[@calvin8857]

You had the base in the north but you moved your 1hp blocking the mech. I yelled at my phone because of you