How To Counter Indirect Spam In Advance Wars

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00:00 Intro
5:34 Match
25:15 Outro
How To Counter In-Direct Spam In Advance Wars
This is a replay commentary of a game played over at AWBW, a website that allows you to play Advance Wars against other human opponents.
#advancewars #aw2 #awbw

[@theoutlander1411]

You always put out good advance wars videos Mangs, but I want to see more of this Dangs guy's stuff. He seems very big brained. You should post more collabs with him.

[@Supaserrin]

You know how Vinesauce Vinny sometimes does collabs with Vinesauce V-dub? Mangs and Dangs would be amazing if it was like those 2. One good example is the time they played Death Stranding for the first time and V-dub broke Vinny's green screen.

[@HippieInHeart]

I think they look pretty similar. Maybe they're brothers?

[@Zetact_]

Dangs counted up that the War Bonds got about 30K and then even before factoring in repair costs, the Urban Blight ended up reducing the army's value by about 30K. Also something that probably makes a power like War Bonds even less useful is because it encourages the player to go out of position and take a lot of engagements, it's not the same as other powers where you just hit the button and get a free benefit.

[@Mangs1337]

Yeah, it's complete trash. A superpower that doesn't even give you firepower or movement, but just a bit of extra cash is so worthless. Even if War Bonds gave 100% money it would still be nichè at best.

[@magicalcapi9148]

I think the opponent did a huge blunder by making very expensive units right on the turn of War Bonds, when Urban Blight was ready to counter it My guess that it can work if used more carefully

[@mavairick]

And here colin's normal power would have got him around 20K + his unit cost reduction, that almost just as much but for 2* only.

[@Klokinator]

Broke: Mangs Woke: Wangs Legend: DANGS

[@TKHedgeHog]

Bangs (Lenny face)

[@brasmak2606]

the actual lesson here is do not respond with medium tanks when your opponent is making neo tanks.

[@Mangs1337]

He couldn't afford neos because he opened double rocket :>

[@lagg1e]

@@Mangs1337 The simple version is that indirects cannot move and fire in the same turn. If you force your opponent to move, indirects stop being combat units. Indirects need a certain amount of gridlock, of the map being clogged with units to become effective. That would still be true even if indirects had the movement of medium tanks.

[@monsterchief117]

You can open with Md tanks and then build neo tanks defensively. The problem here like Mangs said is that he goofed and opened all indirects. Never do that. You shouldn't even do that with Grit in HF.

[@Gilblo]

@@lagg1e I've always felt that indirects should be able to move and fire in the same turn but with a severe penalty, like -50% attack power if they attack in the same turn they move in.

[@stellarkym]

90% comments: about Dangs 10% comments: about the actual strategy that were talked about here.

[@Sephiroth08150]

Mangs: *gets his name wrong* Dangs: *plays along with that mistake*

[@quedzadrake1636]

"Unless you are Grit" "Except for Grit" that sentence makes giggle every time, possum man is too stronk to be sensible

[@sheauwn6974]

Kindle may be the best designed AW CO. Her abilities are extremely strong, but conditional, and a smart player can play around them. Also her head is a candle.

[@haissake]

I think is one of the laziest designs but ok.

[@novastar6112]

@@haissake why not both?

[@noBody-ue6cs]

Ew opinion. I love her design

[@thebrazillianguytm2186]

Ah yes, Dangs, my favorite AW youtuber XD

[@lukasneo91]

Now we need a match between Mangs and Dangs. Jokes aside, thanks for the informative video. It was a very good example of how difficult it is to move and position your indirects in order to be effective, specially in this mode where you can build units that can out maneuver them (such as the Neotanks or Bombers) much more easily.

[@DarkOrderSolDjango]

No recon on recon violence.

[@Zev95]

Mangs, Wangs, Dangs… are these the triplets of the channel???

[@TheMrAmras]

Out of curiosity, I did the tracking of all 3 rockets and the artillery for all the game. Day 6 : build the first rocket and the artillery in strong side. Day 12 : in strong side, the rocket shoot a infantry on a city who destroy the artillery the round before, reducing to 8 to 1, so 800 funds. Day 13 : while super power, in weak side, the rocket shoot a infantry caping the city in the highly contested arena (but couldn't shoot anywhere else), reducing 10 to 3, gaining 350 funds, so let's add this up to 1050 funds impact by this attack. Cost of all indirects : 51 000 invested for an impact of 1850 funds in the game. Well sure, we can't really measure the impact of zoning, because you did adapt to his spam, so it is worth something in my book. But you did adapt, his rockets were useless because endangered or just out of position, so they never fire. At some point I was like "shoot with your goddamn rockets, even though it's gonna die next turn, at least they are gonna do something"

[@isenokami7810]

“They will continue to use the cheese until they learn they can’t get away with it.” Which I thankfully learned the first time I tried it. Probably because I was extra dumb and played Grit with no tanks. That does not work on AWBW like it might in War Room, both because you’re fighting real people and because AWBW official maps use a way different design philosophy. Again, I was probably extra dumb in my case, but that just meant I saw the future that will come from people learning to counter lead indirect spam, where trying that spam is just asking to die.

[@alexandrefillot9600]

Godmang, Dangs that was absolutely awesome!

[@Saltience]

And when the enemy saw what was happening, they said “Dang”.

[@HansLemurson]

It may not have been a high-level match, but you really showed the power of high-level thinking, where you realize that Mobility and Initiative are more important than just Position and Attrition.

[@olympusgolemoflight7198]

Mangs: Get's his name wrong. Me: Aw dang it.

[@salamence6828]

Dangs it

[@sirtimothy92]

Mang it!!!

[@isenokami7810]

The best thing about High Society is that you’re effectively only dealing with one superpower if she and her partner get their dual strike in the campaign. No seriously, I almost laughed when I realized this meant she wasn’t going to insta-interrupt my caps once.

[@isenokami7810]

“Indirects are very immobile.” Ain’t that the truth. Artillery aren’t as bad, but rockets moving on tires makes them crawl on anything that isn’t a road. I almost wish that there was, like, a mortar unit that was basically a rocket on treads, in the same way neotanks are slightly better medium tanks with the real draw of getting the extra move point of normal tanks back.

[@ardantop132na6]

If Mortar unit would be a thing, I think Mortar would be nerfed Artillery. Damage deal is half damage of Artillery but have 6 movements and capable of direct fire like Anti-Tank unit from AW:DOR.

[@alexisbaz8746]

@@ardantop132na6 an Infantry indirect with a mortar?

[@ardantop132na6]

@@alexisbaz8746 My idea is that they were Tracked vehicle Mortar, but infantry could work, but make their movement to 2 tile like Mech, and weaker than Infantry when counterattack.

[@alexisbaz8746]

@@ardantop132na6 as a vehicle we already have Artillery, an Infantry could be Neat.

[@ardantop132na6]

@@alexisbaz8746 Ngl, Mortar infantry unit could supplement Artillery a lot especially in defense.

[@arcturus64]

Grits main hate him! Discover the secrets to countering mass indirects!

[@isenokami7810]

In the short time I was on AWBW, I did indeed try high funds. Granted, it was by accident: screwed up the global league filter, was trying to only have normal matches and ended up with everything except normal matches. That said, absolutely enjoyed high funds, really love having the economy to get some of the better units out consistently. Certainly a problem I deal with in the games themselves. And definitely helpful when I wanna indirect spam myself: I don’t like using artillery much despite respecting the range, but I love rockets. Oddly, I don’t really see high funds as chaos, as you described it. A fast track to late game units, but that can open up more room for skill. Not to mention keep a losing player from simply not having the economy to even fight back anymore. Case in point, one of the only matches I won on the site, a mirror Hawke match that happened to be high funds. Lots of high value units, but the result was anything but chaos. Instead, it was just a match worthy of Hawke, a respectable display of power on both sides. I haven’t had the best time on AWBW, but I am still proud of that one match; would’ve been my favorite even had I lost, we were just that evenly matched in the best way.

[@ivynbean]

late game is always a shitshow I feel, the way you maneuver in early-mid game is where the skill is in this game

[@isenokami7810]

@@ivynbean On one hand, I disagree, late game units can make proper positioning far more crucial; even if you disagree there, I do also like high funds, albeit to a lesser extent, for being more forgiving in terms of how badly an income disadvantage can screw you. The defense isn’t left with only enough to build tanks against neotanks as often, yet the income advantage is still key. On the other hand, if you think early hand positioning is where the true strategy is…maybe that’s why I lost, like, 9 out of 10 games.

[@VonSilvermoon]

I'm 15 seconds in. And a new meme is born. All hail Dangs

[@warpuppy4528]

I joined AWBW and won my first league match this weekend. Now I just have to channel my inner Voice of Akasha and I will get to the 1000s in no time.

[@HanakkoLove]

Dangs is coming

[@fauxnoob4157]

Reminds me of wayward queen attacks in chess. Looks big and scary, but if you're prepared, it's just free tempo.

[@tfeekbabybaby]

Awesome vid man, i find video like this where you address certain strategies and how to counter them very interesting!

[@trickygamer555]

Thanks to you, Dangs, for this great explanation on how to counter indirect spam. It's very interesting and might even help me out on other games too.

[@NeoNintendo]

I bet Dangs is a huge fan of Lyn.

[@Ghan04]

Neat, a new Advance Wars video. Always love these!

[@achesst]

Thanks for another great video, Dangs!

[@ntecleo]

love the educational content!

[@vincentthelego7967]

Guys, have you ever noticed that Mangs and Dangs are never in the same room at the same time? I think I'm on to something.

[@monkeygrip2412]

Great video! Thanks!

[@Bethany38326]

Well dang

[@Schlachtoros]

DANGS!! Finally you are back!

[@EANTYcrown]

First Mangs, then Wangs and now Dangs. The lore is expanding

[@kentmichaelgalang686]

if mangs is to wario as wangs is to wario, then dangs is... ...a jojo reference cant escape em

[@Nofappingh0es]

"How to counter indirect spam" BOMBA

[@arcturus64]

unless he pulls a carrier in that case you intant resign because he proved his dominance over you

[@Nofappingh0es]

@@arcturus64 its a max carrier. No need to sweat.

[@irispaiva]

This Dangs guys is pretty good at the game, I wonder how he fares against our boy Mangs

[@Siptom369]

Damn, such a good commentary Dangs

[@TKHedgeHog]

I'm so thankful for your replays mangs, I'm still pretty mediocre at this game so it's fun to watch you an deejus play.

[@isenokami7810]

Might be a bit forward, but how mediocre? I only ask because Mangs’ videos inspired me to try AWBW…and then I only ever won two matches out of, like, 20… I tried to have a “I’m just here to have fun” attitude, but a losing streak like that gets to a guy.

[@UntotenTheo]

this is the video for me, thanks Dangs!

[@benjaminchristman2712]

Great video

[@ryanallen6325]

Sweet. I’m currently dealing with an artillery spam in a current game. This should help some

[@PaulwDeStefano]

I've never played this game. I never will. I have heard of it because I like tactical games but its just not something I am very interested in gaming wise.. However, your commentary is so entertaining I subscribed and find myself watching your videos. You're doing awesome work here. Really.

[@john56801]

I never realized playing Sasha in high funds is a perfect example on the effects of inflation.

[@kamaha0010]

As a Kindle simp, this is my favorite video of yours.

[@akichan4168]

Very cool and informative video, I learn quite a bit. So when can we see more of this Dangs guy? Seem like a pretty cool guy.

[@andregon4366]

DANG IT, MANGS! Honestly I prefer "God dammit, Mangs!"

[@napalmcannon2513]

Hm, I always had trouble with indirects. Thanks Mangs!

[@zekenotech]

Dangs, Daniel. Back at it again with the artillery I see?

[@pinkwarrior2117]

Hey Dangs great vid can't wait to see what you do with your brothers channel. :P

[@LegendOfTheFLame393]

Nice vid

[@DiegoG2004]

22:04 On this situation, High Society would give 45% firepower. Which is... slightly more than what Max gets from his normal power. And less than what Kanbei gets from Morale Boost, and we know what Kanbei much prefers to use. Yeaaaaah... just get the 3 hp of damage (or 1 hp and repair money) from Urban Blight, it's way better at half the cost.

[@Mangs1337]

Sasha and Kindle are both top contenders for worst superpowers in AW, lmao.

[@DiegoG2004]

@@Mangs1337 And then Collin...? Unless the meme potential is actually not so meme and can work.

[@DrDrao]

@@DiegoG2004 His super power definitely isn't worth it, but it makes sense. You're probably supposed to gold Rush to build up a bunch of cash, then PoM to blast through everything. And hey, it does give a pretty respectable amount of firepower, unlike high society.

[@ajabacan1886]

PoM is op if you already spam a lot of gold rush (saved gold)

[@lisanderdescheemaeker4943]

Didn't know Mangs' dad could play advance wars. He seems pretty good

[@iridium6714]

This map seems like a good Jake map. I love Jake. I hate that he's not good. Let me cope.

[@Mangs1337]

Jake is the top pick of T4 though. He is probably one of the most frequently picked CO's on AWBW.

[@codegeek98]

Loving the Neotank Tabatas 😆

[@LordChip]

God mang it!

[@angrydoge4038]

I played my first high funds match here as Rachel against grit, and I countered him with a single neo per front with infinite tank spam and air units as soon as I got them and just sacked them into his rockets and mopped up his arty rocket blocks with my scop. The hard counters are real

[@swagmaster2003]

Yes, a match showing how fantastic hyper-aggression is! Btw, rockets have 5 movement.

[@MrThewooter]

ah the sonic boom flash kick of AWbW

[@sirtimothy92]

I love this new host, Dang.

[@trollmaster4523]

Thank you for this, years ago I always faced this strategy which makes my favorite tactic (but not limited to) Tank Rush ineffective. Just curious please make a detailed video about Days of Ruin "anti-tank unit". Thank you in advance.

[@eldebo99]

Shout-out to Dangs08 👍

[@zhenweilai799]

from Neo tank hater Mangs to Neo Tank lover Dangs is my Fav Character Arc

[@mofoluwasoomololu6279]

0:27 You counter Indirect spam with MOAR INDIRECTS

[@PenumbraVIII]

"Dangs" Take my like, damn it xD

[@zoshiroleveler450]

thx sifu

[@javonyounger5107]

Sasha and Kindle both feel like their super and power got mixed up during development.

[@jeremykountz644]

Dangs? Is that Mangs long lost Danish brother? If so nice to see them finally reunited after all those years.

[@richard_NIELSEN]

Came for Mangs, Stayed for Dangs

[@amogusimposta5516]

Dam I kind of want to see your shirt It looked awesome from all I could see ^^

[@onEmEmbErstudios]

"Dangs" That could be a great name for Mangs' fanbase

[@lawngoat933]

Dangs Nation Unite!

[@thegreatlemmon7487]

xDDD danks.

[@KUNAIfever]

oh great a new devdan danved situstion

[@roaringthunder8069]

He probably was thinking about deejus during that intro.

[@Xen778]

Javier mains: :)))))))))))

[@doggydog490]

they need to let people exclude tier 1 high fund games. tier 1 is so damn toxic between kanbei, sensei, eagle.

[@drunkdragon12888]

Cool stuff - but now I'm curious. Let's say you wanted to spam indirects early in this type of map scenario. What should you do to make it more successful outside of C.O. choices?

[@watchingvids1078]

Dang it, I was spamming range units in one of my games now I will see it work vs me.

[@isenokami7810]

Could be worse. I tried to build a classic Grit indirect wall in one of my early AWBW games, but alongside the weaknesses Mangs showcased here, AWBW maps don’t tend to have a lot of bases clumped together, which limits the wall potential. On smaller maps, like the one I played, you’re just asking for your opponent to blitzkrieg you.

[@BBHood217]

War Bonds is scary. ...if she tags into Power of Money afterwards.

[@thepersonwhocomentz]

War Bonds should probably have its value cranked up to 150% of damage inflicted, but be doled out over the next 3 turns. After all, the idea of a "bond" is that it's long-term, anyway.

[@maudlife]

Dangs is so good at this game.

[@dropinota]

Grits theme is perfect for this

[@alexisbaz8746]

Hey Mangs, can you make a video about DoR units and how to use them?

[@alex_zetsu]

If they want people to be able to spam out a Neotank, tank, Mech, and Battle coptor every turn, instead of doubling the income per cities, they could at least just design a larger map with double the cities so that they're more interesting terrain opportunities.

[@theedwardian]

I always build my maps with multiple fronts, trees, airports that require early naval superiority, and plenty towers hidden around just to spite GRIT spammers.

[@ashemcintyre1814]

My only weakness. Countering my indirects.

[@alexandrefillot9600]

Your name isn't Grit last time I've read it.

[@ashemcintyre1814]

@@alexandrefillot9600 but my awbw name is the one who snipes

[@daredevevil]

“It is often possible to decide the issue of a battle merely by making an unexpected shift of one's main weight.” -Erwin Rommel

[@Baladucci]

Megatanks are surprisingly durable to indirect fire. They can even tank a few bomber hits!

[@A-Dead-Soul]

Dangs is like evil mangs. Devil-Mangs

[@mrcaos999]

You may can deal with indirect spam. But can you deal with my sonja bomber in this turn after loosing 3 AAs?

[@pixelbird2790]

Thanks bangs, Lesson of the day, Don't be fat.

[@Polaris5664]

Is there a way to balance it so you can use have an indirect-focused strategy without outright spamming?

[@HippieInHeart]

I think another issue with War Bonds is that it doesn't really *do* anything to directly help you in fighting. Like, ok, let's say you pop War Bonds, then you end up doing a few bold infantry vs infantry skirmishes, you don't really lose much but you also don't really gain anything noteworthy from War Bonds. Let's think about the opposite scenario, you pop War Bonds and then you make a huge attack on the enemies main forces and end up damaging or destroying a lot of units. Then you will get a lot of money, but you won't really need it because at that point you've already got the upper hand.

[@squiddler7731]

Would the indirects have been more effective if they were directed more towards the center of the map rather than the sides? I noticed that was the main way you were able to play around them, going from one side of the map to the other to take advantage of their slow speed. If the center was focused on would that have allowed the indirects to hold their ground better and limit front switching, or would it still have been easy to skirt around them?

[@monsterchief117]

Problem is they take forever to get there (they never had a chance to go in the center this whole match) and you can easily give up the sides by doing that.

[@squiddler7731]

​@@monsterchief117 Could they have had a better chance if the indirects all came from the center base? For all the rockets that were used in this match, they never built any there where it would've have the best chance at controlling the center (I'm assuming cause the terrain for getting them out isn't great compared to the side-bases).

[@monsterchief117]

@@squiddler7731 It's just not a good idea. The center has 2 contested properties but the sides have like 6 contested properties + the HQ. Also, you should eventually be pushing towards the HQ on the side and not give yours up. That is a better objective than the center. Center really is more for changing fronts here. Indirects just suck in HF generally. I love playing max/jess and seeing indirect spam cuz my recons, tanks, copters will have a field day. Indirects are only useful **if you know how to properly** play Grit and/or it's a small map. Indirect spam is never good in those conditions either.

[@jacka7275]

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[@scoob4333]

THE DANGS PROPHECY IS REAL.

[@REYplucate]

How did you make the website like this?

[@apocalypseofplush]

we stan dangs