Critical Race Theory: On the New Ideology of Race

[@jerrygatts3467]

“Theory” means it stands up to evidence... “Critical Race Hypothesis” is more appropriate.

[@zxyatiywariii8]

Yes and thank you!! I've been saying this wherever I can, and it's awesome to see someone else saying it too. I'm sick of the appropriation of "theory", which has real scientific meaning. Critical Race Hypothesis is an hypothesis, and a poor one at that. Of course they think even science is racist 🤦🏾‍♀️ and that's truly terrifying.😳

[@cinemar]

I made a similar point a few months ago. Where I said If it's a theory can we now declare the experiment a failure and move on?

[@amadeusdebussy6736]

"Critical Race Scriptures" seems more appropriate to me.

[@mostlypeacefulrowan8747]

Ethno-communism is even more accurate

[@ameliam7898]

Mostly Peaceful Fascist agree. Not even a “WAG” would apply here

[@JoelEverettComposer]

Thank you for a breath of sanity; the CRT has really left me in despair - when I was growing up in the 80s we were just friends, we believed all of us had innate value as fellow humans, and could work together. It wasn't about the color of our skin. This CRT crap scares me - especially for the future.

[@harrymail7]

What? You are saying that people should be judged on individual merit and not group identity? Clear and obvious bigot and racist right here. KZbin should shut your page down!

[@LunaticReason]

Same when I was younger I was pretty Leftist as probably most of the people of our generation. Wanting to see the equality you described in we could work together, where it wasn't about skin color. Then somewhere it started to go crazy with this CRT but also third wave Feminism. Now I'm seeing myself slowly drawn to the right. I'm not totally right, still think of myself as a Liberal but fuck I would never have imagined myself agreeing with that side but the state we are in.

[@Goddessoflight-j4m]

I agree!

[@ericdoran4313]

@@harrymail7 your weird..

[@harrymail7]

@@ericdoran4313 You're* YOUR grammar is weird.

[@luchoney5868]

What ever happened to MLK saying that people should be judged by their character not colour. CRT goes against everything that MLK and the original civil rights movement fought for.

[@TheJTcreate]

We only had "En Vogue" telling us to, "free our minds," and, "be color blind, don't be so shallow," back in the early 90s. Now we are called racist for the very concept? Well, I never ever claimed I was color blind, but I did always say if you are a good person who believes in merit, then that is all I care about.

[@VitalyPolovin]

Critical Race Theory is nothing short of a mutated version of the 3rd Reich doctrine.

[@adamtal7569]

@@VitalyPolovin historically very old disgusting corrupt political economic strategy of Cynical Racist Theories . e.g recently south african apartite...Japanese were defiantly black....until massive economic opportunity ,then honorary whites...later Chinese also ...........The CRT people ,after finding out Asian do better academically etc ( more than" whites"-culture ,do more homework etc) decided they white!(& discriminated against ,on pure racial/racist bias in access to academia)-actually ends up in mismatching to best for person uni etc

[@billsimms2511]

@@TheJTcreate we will never attain color blindness obviously but it was a good concept to shoot for. Instead, we are now going full bore in the opposite direction in that we see race and gender as most important. I never thought this would happen as it seems so backwards

[@susanr1903]

True

[@lnb29]

McWhorter should have been part of the panel in order to respond the objections that were raised

[@Goddessoflight-j4m]

yes, I agree

[@frederikcassiers1965]

I agree, it was a bit one sided with no real discussion, more asking opinions from the panelists.

[@billsimms2511]

I agree I wish he was

[@lindamaxey3827]

Presumably,Mr Mcwhorter had another engagement or commitment but I too would have enjoyed his input,as I often do .

[@charliewatts6007]

-- Patriotic Americans need to stand up, organize and fight the Demonic Fox News Fascist Neo-Nazi Trump Supporting Satan Worshiping Social Justice Warriors who are trying to take over our schools, allow Russians to vote in our elections and indoctrinate our children in their evil white supremist ideology.

[@smarterthanyou2255]

I love the "white people are uncomfortable with this conversation" rhetoric. It's so funny because I would LOVE to have this conversation and point out how utterly absurd, hypocritical, logically inconsistent, and counterproductive CRT is. It's always viewed as defensiveness but the reality is, I am opposed to it because I think it disempowers everyone (yes, including PoC) in the long run, not because I am personally offended. Lol

[@rijetsfan]

You would be labeled a racist....the go to

[@GK-op4oc]

"I love the "white people are uncomfortable with this conversation" Agreed. Any open conversation is now interrupted and shut down by calling the alternative view Racist

[@LatterDaisySaint]

Yep. I've been trying to have a conversation and explain what CRT is, and all I get is "you are ignorant, you're a racist, you love white supremacy, you are anti black." Then, when you point out facts, even bringing up the black friends and family in your life, black teachers that have been influential, black authors you've read....you STILL get shut down. There is zero room for anyone who questions this ideology. One guy told me that CRT is "critical" because the word is literally in the name. I told him, "Theory is also in the name." Somehow, we are supposed to believe that white supremacy is in the air we breathe, and we have no choice but to marinate in it....forever. It takes away accountability and critical thinking. So frustrating. The people fighting me, viewing me as the enemy....should really be looking at people like Robin D'Angelo, the truly racist, white liberal, elite woman who has become wealthy selling white guilt while refusing to debate anyone..because she knows she'd be absolutely obliterated.

[@GK-op4oc]

@@LatterDaisySaint Is there a greater joy for a White Leftist than to call another White person a Racist ?

[@djsec7207]

CRT is paternalistic, condescending, divisive, and should be criticized at every opportunity.

[@s.a.vanvleck45]

Should be criticized as the worst, most contemptible form of racism.

[@Zuckerpuppekopf]

Critical Race Theory gives a pseudointellectual basis for black racism against everyone else. The basis for modern black militarism.

[@djsec7207]

@Nina Aden , You’re correct in your comment about White Supremacy. But does this fact necessarily mean that CRT is above criticism? Isn’t it possible that both ideologies are deeply flawed and destructive?

[@meskizaverdinos186]

@ DJ SEC #Race & Privilege Black people in AmeriKKKa were EMANCIPATED with NOTING after 244 years of CHATTEL SLAVERY.The PROMISE OF 40 ACRES & A MULE was VETOED by President Andrew Johnson after Lincoln’s assassination. Despite a barrage of setbacks, Blacks managed to grow and contain their wealth by creating SELF-GOVERNED TOWNS like EATONVILLE, FLORIDA. While many the same struggles remain, the recipe for BLACK EMPOWERMENT and SURVIVAL REMAINS THE SAME Never Forget, BEING BLACK IN AMERIKKKA - IS A MIRACLE! "Imagine playing monopoly without money.... soon you will be out of the game" That is the story of African Americans, after the civil war. #Black Labor White Wealth NEVER FORGET THIS EVER! The one who CREATED THE PROBLEM CAN’T BE IN CHARGE OF THE SOLUTION. “There was just a massive awakening,” realized that racism “is our problem to solve.” “RACISM/ White Supremacy: A false ideology created by Europeans which declares non-Europeans inferior. RACISTS use their power to define reality and they condition their VICTIMS to accept that perception of reality as their own.” ~ Dr Frances Welsing / Wade Noble ~ Applaud Juneteenth progress but not pushback on critical race theory. People who are deliberately robbed of their shared history are doomed to be manipulated by those in power, again and again. After generations of historical illiteracy, our country is beginning to own up to our collective inheritance on race. The U.S. Senate passed a bill to make Juneteenth a national holiday commemorating emancipation. But as we celebrate, a campaign is underway to keep our children ignorant of the more complex racial history that still shapes the country. From the halls of Congress to school boards, some on the right are trying to stifle honest education about racism and the ways it costs us all. In recent weeks, former Vice President Mike Pence has said that systemic racism is a “left-wing myth.” Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., has tried to stop a Biden appointee in part because she is a fan of prize-winning historian Ibram X. Kendi, who writes about anti-racism. Conservative donors and political operatives are supporting this agenda as a way to stoke outrage among their base, hoping it will keep them activated for the 2022 midterm elections. It's a political game, but with very real consequences for our children; millions of whom live in the four states that have rushed to pass bans on teachings about systemic racism in schools. It has become a truism to say people who don’t learn from their history are doomed to repeat it, but I’d go further: People who are deliberately robbed of their shared history are doomed to be manipulated by those in power, again and again. Rachel Vindman, the co-host of a podcast about suburban women and politics I was invited to speak on, told me that even though she was born and educated in Oklahoma, she had only learned about the Tulsa Race Massacre a scant two years ago, well into her adulthood. “It makes me upset,” Vindman said. She felt robbed of her own community’s history. Many Republican politicians, Fox News pundits and plutocrats eager to see us separated from one another are right to be afraid. But the rest of us? We have nothing to fear. Tens of millions of Americans demonstrated peacefully in support of racial justice last summer, and nearly 95% of Black Lives Matter protests were in majority-white counties. “There was just a massive awakening,” she recalled, one in which she realized that racism “is our problem to solve.” www.usatoday.com/in-depth/opinion/2021/06/20/applaud-juneteenth-progress-but-not-pushback-critical-race-theory/7720036002/

[@meskizaverdinos186]

@@s.a.vanvleck45 One of the most sinister things about normalised RACISM is you don’t have to have bad intentions to be RACIST, you just have to remain IGNORANT! To control a people you must first control what they think about themselves and how they regard their history and culture. And when your conqueror makes you ashamed of your culture and your history, he needs no prison walls and no chains to hold you. ~ Dr John Henrik Clarke ~

[@JanPBtest]

I heard a fitting name for critical race theory: neoracism.

[@istoppedcaring6209]

it is worse than that, they try to academically justify it, and are succeeding, you know who did that to, and had pretty much global succes before the war

[@raymack8767]

I.) The root of Critical Race Theory, what it posits, and how to neutralize it: Concerning objectivity within Critical Theory, Critical Race Theory, Critical Gender Theory, etc: In Robin DiAngelo's (along with Sensoy, Kendi, etc are movers and shakers in CRT) book "Is Everyone Really Equal?", DiAngelo posited: 1.) "All knowledge is taught from a particular perspective; the power of dominant knowledge depends in large part on its presentation as neutral and universal (Kincheloe, 2008)...*all knowledge* understood by humans is framed by the ideologies, language, beliefs, and and customs of human societies. Even the field of science is subjective” (p. 15). 2.) "Our analysis of social justice is based on a school of thought know as Critical Theory. Critical Theory refers to a body of scholarship that examines how society works, and is a tradition that emerged in the early part of the 20th century from a group of scholars at the Institute for Social Research in Frankfurt, Germany” (p. 25) 3.) "One of the key contributions of critical theorists concerns the production of knowledge…. These scholars argue that a key element of social injustice involves the claim that particular knowledge is objective, neutral, and universal. An approach based on critical theory calls into question the idea that objectivity is desirable or even possible. The term used to describe this way of thinking about knowledge is that knowledge is socially constructed." (p. 29). A.) The foundation for Critical Race Theory, Critical Gender Theory, etc, is Critical Theory from the Frankfurt School primarily, but not limited to it. The central idea posited by Critical Theory is that everything is ideological in nature. Even science (math, chemistry, etc), according to CT, has been affected by human interests. To CRT, science is also not independent and objectively unaffected from those interests, and there is *essentially no objective knowledge or truth. But CT, CRT, CGT proponents don't possess "all knowledge" to make the claim that all knowledge is ideological and has been affected by human interests; It is a Sweeping Generalization they proffer. B.) The destroyer of the central tenet of CT, CRT, etc, is if even science (math, chemistry, etc) is subjective and affected, then Critical Theory, Critical Race Theory, Critical Gender Theory, etc, must surely also be affected, has also been shaped by human interests, and does not stand objectively independent from those interests. C.) Thus the conclusions from, and what is posited by, Critical Theory are erroneous. They cannot say that all objectivity or knowledge is equal but that some is more equal than others (or something else along those lines) as even that idea would be subject to the conditions in B and they don't know "all" or possess "all knowledge" to make those claims. D.) Thus in order for CT, CRT, CGT, etc, to bolster their contentions in A, they must transcend the confines of A and B and thus prove that A is true. Given what they assert, as contained in A (and 1-3), the burden of proof is upon them.

[@raymack8767]

II.) According to CRT and even CT and CGT, objectivity isn't real and everything is subjective. Objectivity: the quality of information is true no matter who perceives it. If objectivity isn't true then what a person perceives can only be true to that person and no universal experiences are possible, but CRT though claims racism is a universal truth or that x, y, and z are racist. But if they tell me objectivity isn't real or trustworthy, why should I believe anything that DiAngelo or those like her say? In short if there is no truth, why should I believe anything that CT or CRT says or proffers as being true? If they retort that subjectivity is truth then one must answer by telling them to prove it objectively, quantitatively, emperically, logically, and thus scientifically as proof will mean what they are saying is true and real as subjectivity makes things be in the eye of the beholder.

[@raymack8767]

III.) CRT is rooted in an obsession over racially stereotyping whites, proffers Gross Generalizations, utilizes the Kafka Trap, and pushes woke "White Fragility", dispensing a system where accusations of racism are proof of it, denying it is guilt, and disagreement is racist per (but not limited to) its Gross Generalization that racism permeates everything. Rebuttals: 1.) CRT proponents being human would also possess biases and their denial of them would be racist. Given they are human there's no way for them to prove with absolute certainty they aren't more racist than others; thus accusations from them are moot. 2.) If they (#1) say they have biases, yet can't be racist or more racist because of x, y, or z, then they are switching to an objective format which, according to CRT, is racist, as objectivity (and even logic) is considered racist. 3.) If proponents of CRT say they are biased but their biases aren't racist, this denial shows they are racists. 4.) If they (#3) claim their inherent bias is justifiable they are revenge supremacists. 5.) If they (#1-4) say they aren't racists, CRT says this denial shows they are racists. 6.) If they (#1-5) say inherent bias doesn't permeate everything to save face they deny a foundational principle of CRT, thus destroying it. 7.) If they (#1-6) switch to objectivity to try and prove #6, that would be racist as objectivity is racist according to CRT. 8.) If they (#7) fall back on "experiences" based upon race, trying to use anecdotal evidence to show society is infected with racism, their experiences themselves contain biases which would render their conclusions false, and for them to deny this would be racist. 9.) If they (#7-8) don't deny these experience-biases exist, but deny they are racists, they are still racist as they are blinded by their biases. 10.) If they (#8-9) switch from anecdotal evidence to objectivity to try and prove their "experiences" that would be racist as, according to them objectivity is racist.

[@JanPBtest]

@@raymack8767 In a nutshell, it's a modern repetition of various mass hysterias from the past: witch hunts, bolshevism (see Dostoyevsky's "Demons"), etc.

[@MrStang1320]

America needs conversations such as this. Debate is the only way to flesh out the best ideas. By having both sides you learn something, I certainly did. Thank you Mr. Riley and the Manhattan Institute

[@MrStang1320]

@Alexander Franke thanks for bringing home the point. George Floyd’s death was a miscarriage of justice no doubt. You bringing it up here is nothing more than a silencing tactic. Let’s debate ideas, not intimidate people. Your attempt to dismiss this is not surprising though. Conversation and debate are Critical Race Theory’s Achilles heal. CRT only has meaning if people don’t question and get in line. Interesting that comments like yours are indistinguishable from sentiments held by David Duke or George Wallace. Always good company there.

[@oliverphippen1957]

if you can not meet the behavior standard then get lout or get RECALIBRATION ????

[@oliverphippen1957]

Are you saying that you can not solve this problem with out help ???I thought you were smart as you told me ??????

[@scratchpenny]

@@mauricewashington4263, I'm not against that. But the compensation has to be a concrete amount with a time limit. It cannot go on forever, and it cannot bankrupt the country. Otherwise, what would be the point? However, I think you will find that this path is entirely unworkable for the progression of society. No one would ever agree on the terms. Black people wouldn't even agree on the terms, so it becomes a bad approach. This issue is that you can't address this problem as if it's a systemic issue only. You have to address the black individual. CRT goes against that line of thinking because it's based on collectivism. The whole thing will lead to no progress for black people or America. It's a downward spiral of thinking and ideas. And the reality is that black people in America (as a group) are heavily dependent on this current system. We can't even grow enough food to feed ourselves. We surely aren't stupid enough to want this system to collapse, right?

[@lorenaoliver7860]

IMO my I’m On mom

[@BenjaminNavillus]

"Most of the black kids at Berkeley were middle class by any standard, and yet... if you were to have brought that up, it would have been like blowing on a tuba in the middle of a funeral." That line genuinely made me laugh out loud.

[@charliewatts6007]

-- Patriotic Americans need to stand up, organize and fight the Demonic Fox News Fascist Neo-Nazi Trump Supporting Satan Worshiping Social Justice Warriors who are trying to take over our schools, allow Russians to vote in our elections and indoctrinate our children in their evil white supremist ideology.

[@hartyewh1]

@@charliewatts6007 You my friend need to go sit in a park and enjoy an ice-cream or hotdog and take a month's break from all media. Good luck!

[@whitekaren7742]

@@charliewatts6007 WTF???? WHITE SUPREMACY ISNT EVEN A THING !!

[@joaquinmenchaca3086]

The park is filled with homeless tents in Berkeley. People are stabbed, shot, robbed at gunpoint, near the park.

[@charitysChannels]

CRT = Modern day Emperor's New Clothes

[@aaronfarkas6890]

@C Myers... excellent analogy. Thanks for sharing.

[@anthonylarson4779]

I think transgenderism is a better analogy to that, but CRT fits too. I think I am going to tell my genetically European kids "self identify" as black when applying to colleges and scholarships!

[@amitsunoko7270]

CRT describes what can be found under the hood of racism.

[@scratchpenny]

@@amitsunoko7270 I'm not sure that it does. Too much of the rhetoric used by CRT people rely on unprovable narratives that are accepted as facts. For instance, the concept of "white supremacy" and its pervasiveness throughout society is unprovable yet is accepted as the central tenet by many who practice CRT. And if there isn't causation data to validate these theories, they are not based on reality. Moreover, it avoids the difficult topics of race-linked cultural behavior problems, IQ test differences, immigrants vs. natives, etc., that exist in this conversation but is not politically correct. I'd argue it's more of a political ideology than valid social science the way it's used in mainstream society. For example, Kendi's and DiAngelo's work is disputed by even other CRT academics. Yet, that approach is being taught in corporate seminars and, in some cases, even schools. And then, there is the issue that CRT doesn't really offer specific solutions to the proposed problems. It's just a never-ending critique outwardly focused. This is part of the reason critical theory become so unpopular back in the early 20th century. It didn't lead to significant progress in the 20's/30's/40's and this new version known as CRT is not leading to any real progress now. You could even argue that it creates more division unnecessarily. Furthermore, a significant aspect of the approach is group identity over the individual, antithetical to western democracy. That's why so many identify this approach with Marxism, and indeed even some practitioners claim to be Marxists today!

[@amitsunoko7270]

@@anthonylarson4779 have u considered male and female gender to be on opposite ends of a spectrum? Also that one's personality may also sit on a spectrum?

[@NoNameNo.5]

Professor John McWhorter is a brave man. Much respect

[@dodgermartin4895]

YES! He is the world's premier authority on American English Linguistics and he and Professor Loury are in danger of being "CANCELLED" and losing their jobs for being contrary to the mandated dogma.

[@dodgermartin4895]

@Sir Lane Well, it has been proven beyond all doubt that Floyd's murder was caused by bad police procedure without a shred of racism, so the focus on racism is terribly WRONG, and thank you for acknowledging that fact.

[@dodgermartin4895]

@Sir Lane WHAT! Come on now. At least be true to yourself. Why would you state such a spurious thing. This country needs to come together and purge all this divisive nonsense. You can do it! Join the Team!

[@richjmb5522]

I feel uplifted by his 'cleverness'

[@derp8575]

@@dodgermartin4895 I thought he died from a drug overdose.

[@drmartin5062]

My ex was black, she is going for her master's in psychology with critical race theory being her bible. I felt like the lessons she openly taught her kid were pretty wild and unfulfilling. We broke up but CRT is a real drag. Couldn't even talk about it without her freaking out when i questioned any of it. She felt as if it was beyond reproach and these theories are laws.

[@mrfake675]

Cult indoctrination. You can't question the cult.

[@chelseapoet3664]

CRT poisons everything it touches. Just two examples - CRT types came into two big FB groups I know of (one was Buddhist and one was about compassionate communication), called everyone except themselves racists people left the groups in droves. You had a lucky escape.

[@rickdeckard804]

Women are very emotional and very susceptible to this CRT cult

[@tyiingram9878]

CRT wouldn’t be a thing if the idea of white supremacy hadn’t been fundamentally codified into laws. CRT is not an ideological based out of nothingness, it is however the result of the legacy of White Supremacy that still is a problem in this country. The validity can be seen around us

[@rickdeckard804]

@@tyiingram9878 You have been brainwashed to think white supremacy is everywhere and in everything. That's your problem right there.

[@JT-jm9cm]

I have been feeling like I'm going insane. Thank you for giving me hope.

[@urbanmusicgal]

You are not going insane. You are OK. If we all keep listening to the propaganda, instead of clinging to the truth of The Constitution of the United States, and getting involved as much as we can at the grass roots level, we will all lose a certain percentage of healthy cognition, because that is exactly what brain washing, and mind control is, such as crt.

[@TheSycaman]

You are insane. You've been forever. But insanity is comfortable. Crazy people don't realize they are crazy. And pretending that "pick me's" have a grasp as opposed to seeing the opposing view from someone educated like Cornell West, you'd easily change your perspective

[@Pedaissance]

@@TheSycaman brainwashed 🤡

[@TheSycaman]

@@Pedaissance Yes. Common sense washed

[@Pedaissance]

@@TheSycaman critical race theory is historically inaccurate and racist. It directly goes against the beliefs of MLK. It actually falls in line with the racist demokkkrats who are the real white supremacists. They say black ppl are oppressed and the white dems are here to save them..ha!!

[@jerodmckee1608]

Sometimes I think I'm smart, then I hear someone like John McWhorter speak and I'm like wellll I'm not that smart.

[@mrk6753]

Thats very sad and actually pretty pathetic.

[@bisiriyutajudeen5728]

@@mrk6753 It's not pathetic, its just a recognition that there are folks out there that are smarter than you are.

[@andresanguianozuniga6798]

Dude, you are only smarter than before.

[@chachalongo4255]

@@andresanguianozuniga6798, Jerod estaba tomando el pelo, daba un tanto sarcasmo . . .

[@jamessmith7205]

Ha ha... riiight

[@dwighthaas1771]

They need Thomas Sowell on this panel to give a historical perspective.

[@laurieboutwell320]

Sowell only gives a perspective that fits his narrative

[@iKeto_gal]

@@laurieboutwell320 He states facts to back up his perspective. Aint nothing wrong with that

[@georgemckenzie9717]

Dwight. Blacks know what they have been through... Crt is important bcoz people like you have no idea....and whites are determined not acknowledge what was and is still being done, forcing their liability...

[@dwighthaas1771]

@@georgemckenzie9717 the problem is you don't know what people like me have been through and don't care. CRT is basically racism in reverse, where people of a white color are judged by the color of thier skin, which could even be very light skinned black people. It solves nothing and only seeks to divide people and blame other people for things they have no control of so they don't have to be responsible themselves.

[@georgemckenzie9717]

@@dwighthaas1771 please explain how crt affects every single aspect of white life negatively as racism does for all blacks... ..you haven't a clue...

[@englishspeaker8179]

Listening to ethically strong and educated black american thinkers is the only thing giving me hope for our country right now. They are the most underappreciated canaries in the mine, and the most honest and brave humans living.

[@sirellyn]

Like Thomas Sowell and Colin Hughes

[@TheSycaman]

@@trevorcarlson6134 sounds like systemic racism has kept them from reaching a broader swath of the country. Proves the point.

[@Smile200-z4y]

No, it's much more likely because it doesnt fit the media's definition of oppressed blacks. Or they're not as famous. Systemic racism is paranoia. There must be something racist to explain the difference in percentages. And the solution is racism. And then people think they're gonna be respected!

[@Lurch685]

I really look forward to John’s upcoming book.

[@johnwest1127]

Few things are as intellectually pleasing as listening to John McWhorter speak......

[@cragjones1799]

Hes amazing..

[@angiesmith1675]

And he’s funny!! “Blowing a tuba at a funeral”. I busted out laughing several times listening to him.

[@Christian_Prepper]

*Critical Race Theory sounds Racist.* *Racists keep using the color of people's skin to pre judge them.*

[@that1chickinFL]

Kennedy, disappointingly, goes for the straw man here. Yes, professor, everyone agrees: racism bad. Now can we get back to the topic at hand about CRT and whether it actually addresses the issues it purports to care about?

[@billsimms2511]

Yes I was bothered by that as well . He said we need to try and get rid of racism but a system like CRT will only cause racism. How some aren’t seeing this obvious result is beyond me

[@kenyafromcali]

Agreed. I lost interest with his points. I’m back to hear the intelligent conversation. Hopefully, he doesn’t stick to that sad point.

[@williamhouse4044]

the tactic of the republican party is to deny, distract and distort, to strain out gnats, and swallow camels they are not addressing any substance at all, just their own smears, misrepresentations, biases, lies and propping those up as facts par for the course they are employees of FOX NEWS Our Enemy is not Humanity Our Enemy is Lies, Bigotry and Injustice, and that does not have a skin color, it is however the Republican Party Platform, in effect

[@woodwyrm]

@@williamhouse4044 its nice you are being very honest about your self.

[@Sunshine-tn2qe]

Kennedy is Boule' Society.

[@leiyang477]

Mr. Riley, Professor McWhorter, I am a longtime reader and admirer of your respective work. Your voices are more appreciated than you can imagine. You are the public intellectuals we need in this critical and perilous time we live in. Thank you for speaking, writing, shining light to keep reason and light in our society. Prof. McWhorter, I once spoke to you in a downtown #1 train about how much I liked your books. It is great to hear you talking on social media! Let me say we all know who the real”Pond Scum” in the ultra Marxist Atlantic Magazine are. Critical Theory is the repackaging of Classical Marxism, to instill hate, division in society, to cultivate a “special, privileged group or class” to be the loyal fighting vanguard for the radical left. The Marxists are so adapt at this, they’ve had certain guaranteed success since the Paris Commune. Thank you for being the reason and light in these dark times. It would be great to hear your thoughts on how higher education will be revamped in the near future. How many conservative intellectuals are out there that can be mobilized to return to the universities to reform and revitalize these places when the globalists and their left wing college minions are exposed in the coming disclosure. How do we cleanse the cruel, authoritarian fascist orthodoxy that is Cultural Marxism which has reigned supreme in the Academia.

[@lauramartel5297]

When he talks about things he sees on the subway, I always wished I'd run into him pn the train myself, because we have the same taste in what we think is funny to observe.

[@leiyang477]

@@lauramartel5297 That is funny. He has a fun sense of of the world. Not surprised, he is a linguist after all.

[@adamtal7569]

I prefer insights of old marxism & moreso methodology ; kinda into helping poor. Race is a poor proxy for poverty

[@hesitatingdissension4682]

@@adamtal7569 Old or new; Classical or Orthodox; Marxism in all of its forms is based on pseudo-philosophy, pseudoscience, and pseudo-economics. Marx formed a baseless school of thought that had no, and still has no, logic, science, or rationality. Marxism bases itself on the pseudoscientific historical materialism; this has no answers to important questions, is of no valid conclusions, and has no legitimate empirical findings.

[@blueguise23]

This "special group" of vanguards are going to be Dark-skinned Black women like the Kimberlé Crenshaws and Joy Reids at the helm of this new regime. Women like that are driving this Intersectionality and CRT movements. They benefit the most from it, that's why the "victimhood" claims are being heightened as well.

[@Joe-fr8yd]

Is was great to hear all the panelist’s views... even though I don’t agree with everything that was said. Chris Rufo is a hero, imo.

[@leiyang477]

Chris Rufo is the only one with substance and guts.

[@billsimms2511]

Rufo is great

[@NoSpinster0909]

Rufo is racist himself

[@cinemar]

Right so I see Randall Kennedy has got Trump derangement syndrome. WTF is he on about? Where's Glenn Loury when you need him?

[@kenyafromcali]

He totally lost credibility in this argument.

[@evestayplace3705]

THEORY: A scientific theory is not the end result of the scientific method; theories can be proven or rejected, just like hypotheses. Theories can be improved or modified as more information is gathered so that the accuracy of the prediction becomes greater over time. the above can never happen with Kendi and Diangelo... because no scientific method was applied to developing their theory's, so they can not modify or improve on the basis of gathered information. nor can they in any other way, because they already claim their theory's to be irrefutable...

[@adamtal7569]

You are giving them too much credit....CRT is ,in simple terms , isnt !....a)...Not critical ,more semantical slight of hand, b) dogmatic bizarre redefinition of raciest The CRT fans are only ones who that think, that Hitler was/is not racist ! They think, if /when not have power, he just prejudiced , so he cant possibly be racist if in country where he in minority power position e.g on holiday in Isreal... C) not a theory -see Karl Popper & falsification-How is or could it be refuted ..what evidence (or is it evidence free)

[@billsimms2511]

Agree ..There’s a very good reason Kendi and Deangelo will not debate anyone on CRT. They can’t back up their ideology

[@adamtal7569]

@@billsimms2511 I am not even sure i would evn give it "credit" of being an Ideology -as they are often logically coherent, but obviously more than a tad shy when it comes to empirical evidence .................................................................Fun fact 340122 ......Marx always used Ideology as a critic/negative term ....(even mentioned/realised in his own lifetime that he was not a Marxist!) Leninism used term as neutral.....................................................................................CRT can give a possible ,bizzare but legal ?, defence against any racial slur, slander, demermation of character etc calling anyone a racist based on thier race (if in racially majority or minority percieved as more power..e.g. Jewish ,or capitalist ;or conflate them as the same )..........Given time i could think of clever question to ask them...... but think ludicrous abuse of language & logic ,could be challenged by simply asking them to confirm that if Hitler in modern Isreal ,he would be prejudiced ,but definitetly 100% ,acording to their theory, NOT at all racist !

[@richardmunsch8127]

If it's any kind of theory it's a conspiracy theory, and not one of the ones backed by evidence.

[@beemo9]

On the surface, Critical Race Theory is about racism, but really it's resentment of our entire Western system - free thought & speech, logic & reason, science & math, etc.

[@williamhouse4044]

just another lie Marijuana is a Mexican Word for a reason the problem with Hitler wasn't national health care, it was voter disenfranchisement, bigotry, violence, injustice and poverty the problem with western society isn't the entire system, free thought, speech, logic, reason, science and math, it is our world's largest per capita prison population, voter disenfranchisement, economic, social and environmental injustice basically, the problem is the republican party and their idolatry of Religious, Racist, Sexist, nationalist supremacy and voter disenfranchisement If anything, the Republican Party it's self is at war with what's best about Western Culture just like Boko Haram

[@stacypastry2440]

@@Baman21 who's history? I hope you're talking about humanity as a whole given that slavery is the oldest institution across the entire planet. Humans are pack animals, we tend to stick to our own packs. I am not excusing racism or denying it but this is not an American issue, it is a human issue, and I believe we had made great strides until this decisive theory reared its ugly head

[@stacypastry2440]

@@Baman21 no I absolutely do not agree

[@scratchpenny]

@@Baman21 The problem is that CRT is not being applied in quite the terms you laid out. Kendi and DiAngelo are proposing a much different interpretation of CRT than this foundation you describe, and they are popular whether it's the correct interpretation of CRT or not. The main problem is that CRT assumes systems are always the problem rather than individual behavior. This goes against the concept of the Western/liberal ideal of the individual in favor of a socialist/Marxist perspective of the world. And it's being combined with this idea that the system behind all racism is that of "white supremacy." The problem with the WS concept is that it cannot be verified in most claims. It doesn't hold true globally or in many instances of racism. It's a grand narrative rather than an objective measure. Given the basic definition of WS, you can only verify and validate it when you prove causation. In other words, the only way this concept can be verified is when someone admits they are superior based on their 'whiteness' and they enact laws and/or social policy to perpetuate it. But that rarely actually happens in our modern society. Still, the accusations are being made without this evidence. And it cannot be accurately identified through correlations because there could be other behavior variables that explain it. You have to prove causation for it to be scientifically valid. Those who make these claims without causation using correlations are committing biased analysis errors. And because they can't account for other behavioral variables, they often make invalid or incomplete claims. The factual basis of often wrong. That's why CRT should not be accepted as a valid approach to history or society. It's not verifiable the way it's being applied and implemented.

[@beemo9]

@@Baman21 If you mean the real estate agents on Long Islands, that proves racial bias, not current racism. Real estate agents make choices they think their client will enjoy, and if they think they will be happier with people of their own culture, that's bias. Not all racial discrepancies are proof of current racism. CRT, like its parent, Critical Theory, says that your group identity matters more than your individual traits, and that everything is a power struggle between oppressor groups and oppressed groups. It assumes the entire western system is flawed and needs to be overthrown. This is explained in detail by James Lindsay on youtube - he's the leading scholar of CRT.

[@go2therock]

Christopher Rufo is the most honest member on this panel.

[@brainxtc2171]

Most ignorant Bigots would agree with you.

[@infinitive7654]

@@brainxtc2171 CRT doesn't exist, the creators even admitted to making it all up: *"Crenshaw sent out a call to attend a retreat entitled "New Developments in Critical Race Theory" that effectively created the field under the name CRT. *As Crenshaw states, only herself, Matsuda, Gotanda, Chuck Lawrence, and a handful of others knew "that there were no new developments in critical race theory, because CRT hadn't had any old ones - it didn't exist, it was made up as a name. Sometimes you gotta fake it until you make it."* It's all made up by some college students in the 80s. You believe in a lie.

[@zxyatiywariii8]

@@infinitive7654 It's also an appropriation of the word "theory". It's not a theory. It's an hypothesis. Oh and in case someone, later on in this thread, (I don't get notifications) wants to call me a "white supremacist", have fun, I probably won't see it; but before you make a ridiculous statement -- my profile pic is me, so as y'all can see, I'm not white. So try again 😆)

[@nonamesnonames]

I thought all participants were honest and contributed a lot to the discussion. Everyone spoke with clarity and without needless bluster. Everyone shared important information and perspectives.

[@nonamesnonames]

@@zxyatiywariii8 It is neither, because it does not submit to empiricism. It rejects that very things that create the notions of hypothesis and theory.

[@peterhardie4151]

2 minutes in and i like Jason Riley already.

[@kspehar1]

He’s awesome, and he’s writing a biography of Thomas Sowell. The book is scheduled to come out next year.

[@Lurch685]

Jason Riley is a name I will be watching out for. He’s a rising star I think.

[@uhtredlundar8394]

Riley did an excellent job. His attempt to hold Kennedy and Banks to actually say something of worth was entirely admirable yet, sadly, fruitless. McWhorter and Rufo both made solid cases against Critical Theory. I could tolerate Kennedy and Banks lackadaisical approach to CRT if this pathogen had remained locked in a test tube in academia, but it is out in society and needs to be eradicated. Society needs the help of academics to get this garbage scholarship back in the vault - put it right beside the dusty box marked Eugenics. Instead Prof's like Kennedy and Banks navel gaze while BA's teach the weaponized version of Critical Theory, (not just CRT), to the next generation coming up through K-12 in both the U.S. and Canada.

[@d.s2660]

@Michelangelo Only conspiracy theorists and idiots use the word shill! Are you a flat earther?

[@billsimms2511]

@@uhtredlundar8394 agree it’s a bit disturbing how many intellectuals just dismiss CRT in terms of the possible damage it will cause. We are now seeing this in grade school. How on earth is it helping anyone to instill in white students that they are racist and the oppressors? How does that help blacks or Hispanics out in any way? It simply seems a way to make white people feel guilty or bad Can you imagine CRT if the races were reversed? Meaning that only black students would have to acknowledge their racism and that blackness=mass murder.. we all know this wouldn’t make it anywhere in the universities though because it’s extremely racist!

[@KTravRuNEr]

It would be really great if each of these experts could recommend books they think are mandatory readings on this topic. TY❤️

[@MattyIce7178]

K T this is a pretty good reading list: newdiscourses.com/2020/06/beginners-curriculum-critical-race-theory/

[@TheOrdener]

I’m not an expert, but Shelby Steele is must reading in my opinion.

[@bromack3]

Dr. Thomas Sowell is something I would recommend reading. He wrote a book titled "Intellectuals and Society" also Intellectuals and Race." In those 2 books he talks about how "smart people" like to offer up ideas about how to improve the circumstances of society yet when those ideas fail, those public prognosticators suffer no consequences. But for the record, Critical Race Theory is an offshoot of Karl Marx and Antonio Gramci. It has been said that Marxism is the politics of jealousy and envy. It pitches rich vs poor, men vs women, black vs white and so on and so forth. If promoted actively throughout society, it will result in the collapse of that nation leading to the rebuilding of a better economic and political system. In my opinion, CRT is dumb. So you destroy your current society and replace it with "what." Karl Marx and others who promote these utopian ideologies never clearly tell you what happens next. That being the case, Communist China under Mao Tse Tung did this under the title of "political correctness."

[@leiyang477]

@@bromack3 Ultimately we need to step out of these ideological CONSTRUCT--Matrix, when we exercise our freewill and choice, we can be free of someone else's construction. You may say, "but this someone else made this construct to imprison me, I can not run away from it". Well, your MIND is a sacred space, you should control what you let in and what you do not let in. Your reality is very much constructed by your mind. Read Eckhart Tolle's "The power of Now". That is the ultimate teaching of self empowerment. (I do love Tom Sowel and Shelby Steele though, too bad they are getting older and not very present in social media) Also read and research about the Frankfurt School (Herbert Marcuse, Theodore Adorno, Max Horkheimer and Erik Fromm, they are the fountain head of Critical Theory)

[@bromack3]

@@leiyang477 I've been considering reading the "power of now." I'll do so based on your recommendation. Dr. Sowell is aging just as we need to hear more of his insights. Glen Loury is another rising black economist if you wanna hear economic and social discussons. He also does youtube videos. I'm aware of the Frankfurt school and at the same time note Antonio Gramsci who is another marxist who further defined the term cultural marxism. His basic point was if you want to really take down society he basically said you have to take down the framework of family, property and religion. In other words, get in their heads. Confuse them by pointing out the contradictions in their ideas.

[@ML77619]

What a wonderful discussion with Jason Riley and John McWhorter. America is blessed to have these men as roll models they are both amazing men.

[@rosehammell6776]

Crt is right out of the pit of hell,

[@cliffordmcintosh8291]

These are the type of black men that white people really love. As long as they agree with what your idea of race is, then they're "amazing". The moment they talk about systemic racism and the all the laws and policies that were designed to marginalize African Americans, all the sudden you're not going to be willing to listen.

[@troybody6662]

@@cliffordmcintosh8291 100%

[@wendellspivey8505]

@@rosehammell6776 No. Chattel Slavery was hell for 250 years!!! It is not a thing of "No harm No foul",

[@junsu21]

To the OP, did you not listen to the message rest, with the panel of 3 others, or did you only agree with the portion with McWhorter?

[@cramerlong2276]

Critical race theory seems designed to absolve one of their lack of success and blame someone else . It's basically a way to say everything I do wrong or failed at is because someone oppressed me

[@billsimms2511]

You nailed it

[@megg.6651]

"They want to muzzle you instead of debate you, like we used to." Well, it is pretty obvious why....

[@leiyang477]

When we recognize those people who will not be open to debate, you have to walk away. That is a wise choice we make. The reward is in synergy. Do more synergy, it emplifies your energetic field, guaranteed feel good! If you master how much you can portion your day for energetic challenges and energetic synergies, you will be a healthy and reasonably happy person.

[@323lessthanzero]

Haven't listened to much of Jason's messages, just what I have seen when he teams up with John McWhorter, Coleman Hughes , Glenn Loury etc..Did I hear correctly that he is writing a book on Thomas Sowell (The Goat)? I will buy that book every week and twice on Saturdays.

[@blancaquiroz7339]

Having witnessed your conversation gives me hope that there is a possibility that we could get over these divisions and learn to co-exist in a peaceful and respectful manner.

[@leiyang477]

Having access to the frequency of LOVE will take us there. Love is all around, vibrating where we sit, walk, talk, eat, and work. We have lost our innate connection to it. Time to learn how to access it. :)

[@pamelafranklin3452]

You Benifit from my people been oppress so it doesn't matter, when we Question this racist America the way they make laws and policies to keep people down

[@alanfreemancriticalracethe524]

-- What's your problem with the study of the relationship among race, racism and power?

[@nickedwards2904]

yes telling white kids they are to blame for everything bad will help lots

[@debtasmoney4958]

Never will happen while Evil Rulers and EVILDOERS are ruling. The only solution is OUR GREAT, GOOD AND TERRIBLE CREATOR YAHWEH AND HIS DIVINE SON YAHWEH BEN YAHWEH PERFECT LAWS, STATUTES, JUDGMENTS AND COMMANDMENTS TO BE IMPLEMENTED! THIEF IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW! HOMELESSNESS IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW! EVIL EDUCATION IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW! GREAT TRIBULATION HAS STARTED IN AMERICA AND THE WORLD. EVERY LAW THAT EVIL CREATES ARE AGAINST HUMANITY AND NATURE. MEDICAL APARTHEID IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW! KILLINGS, ORGAN HARVESTING, HUMAN TRAFFICKING, PEDOPHILIA RINGS, DRUG CARTELS, ETC., ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW WITH IMMUNITY! Where is Weinstein?

[@danielpederson1630]

I'm sixty three and grew up, and still live in Minnesota. I was taught that the civil war was all about slavery. Later I came to hear that confederate apologists argued in terms of states rights. I never heard this in my schooling.

[@queenruth2109]

And I think everybody saw the movie Glory🙄

[@corydaughtery]

well you need to go back to school...

[@richardmunsch8127]

Not back to the schools as they are today. If he's going to go back to any school, he's best off homeschooling himself.

[@robsc20]

I was half encouraged half discouraged by this discussion. Rufo and Riley seem to have a better understanding of CRT, the other two gentlemen were quite dovish on the peril this ideology poses to society.

[@jdees4]

McWhorter is not your run of the mill conservative. He’s more of a critical conservative always willing to call out problems on both sides of the aisle and has some tendencies to side with liberals on racism or claims of racism. For example, he believes the black communities in this country are to blame for most of its problems, but also believes Trumpnis racist.

[@jdees4]

I responded to your comment but it was intended for someone else. I agree with your assessment. CRT is being criticized mostly in major media because of actual eyewitness and recorded accounts of what children are telling their parents they are experiencing in classrooms, and what employees are experiencing during ‘training’. Not all academics are doing that research the way that Tucker Carlson or Rufo are doing.

[@seansimpson8758]

So the two, who are less educated people, are the people who have a better understanding of the issue? This is what is wrong with society as a whole. LOL

[@seansimpson8758]

@@jdees4 yes anecdotal evidence from someone like Tucker Carlson, who sells fear for a living, is a much better source.

[@jdees4]

@@seansimpson8758 I think I understand your tone or sarcasm here. So my question for you would be is, what should be done about all the radical teachers using ‘race exercises’ in schools, and what other term for that type of teaching should be used instead of CRT?

[@joanmsmith5561]

Follow the money. The critical race theory idols are like carnival barkers or old time tent preachers. They are making big money off this.

[@stanzavik]

Them making big money off of CRT isn't itself an argument against CRT

[@leiyang477]

CRT is the DS shackle to demoralize, and control their population, thus enforce their unpopular policies.

[@kiplaroy9664]

Critical race theory starts with one truth that "race is a construct of society and is not found in nature. In other words we are all just plain old humans. This first statement invalidates all the other parts of the theory as they divide humanity into subgroups. Got to love it :)

[@katiek.8808]

This is actually not true. Right off the top of my head when it comes to color is horses. Horses will herd up with horses of the same color. Obviously this is to serve in predator defense measures.

[@kiplaroy9664]

@@katiek.8808 That has nothing to do with genetics though. I have never seen a single colored heard of wild mustang ever either. We are just one human race. You can take 1 person randomly from the Congo in Africa and match them to two other people randomly 1 from the Congo and the other from Norway and you have the same chance of getting a closer match from the Norway sample as you do from the Congo.

[@katiek.8808]

@@kiplaroy9664 I don’t understand. Hair color is totally genetics. You can’t look at mustang herds. They are not naturally formed. The BLM puts horses together in huge numbers they wouldn’t naturally form. In fact horses on their own don’t form herds they form what’s called remudas. These range in numbers of 7 - 10 horses. This is easy to see on large ranches. It’s even easier to see in Australia with brumbies. They do gather with similar colors. I’m not saying people should do this I’m just saying it does happen in nature. I see it everyday with my own horses.

[@kiplaroy9664]

@@katiek.8808 :0 the heards in nature will range in numbers according to what the area will support. Even their reproductive systems will adapt to that environment. You are right about hair color being genetic but it doesn't make us a different species we are all still one human race. no matter how different your horses look or behave they still are just horses.

[@katiek.8808]

@@kiplaroy9664 yes I know we are all people. Herds in America are not natural. Technically they are feral horses. The BLM is incredibly involved in our wild mustangs. Like I said I’m not saying we segregate. I’m simply pointing out that it does occur in nature.

[@LLLMYOB]

Thank you especially John McWhorter and Chris Rufo!!!!!

[@charliewatts6007]

-- Patriotic Americans need to stand up, organize and fight the Demonic Fox News Fascist Neo-Nazi Trump Supporting Satan Worshiping Social Justice Warriors who are trying to take over our schools, allow Russians to vote in our elections and indoctrinate our children in their evil white supremist ideology.

[@louiscyfear878]

*_YALL HAVE BEEN MAKING CHILDREN SIGN CONFESSIONS THAT THEY ARE RACIST_* Lawyer up!!

[@JMT34237]

John Mcwhorter should be an audiobook narrator. I love his voice. 👍

[@1stsharkb8]

I can't wait to get my hands on Riley's book about Thomas Sowell!

[@scottl6384]

Dr. McWhorter: keep speaking truth to power. Anger drives out reason.

[@sickcommode-odragon4193]

18:35 “black people have no particular responsibility until the playing fields are perfectly level” Perfect representation of Kendi’s CRT. Sickening isn’t it? Heroes are heroes... not victims.

[@toomanybears_]

It does such a good job of absolving them of the responsibility for their own actions. Except it doesn't really work that way. And on a "perfectly level playing field" they don't stand a snowball's chance in hell. Everyone knows that.

[@evestayplace3705]

It's like you can see Randall Kennedy's thoughts breaking down while he is trying to share them... starts off strong talking about his history with the subject, making direct points... then it starts to sound really generalized, basically stating that because (they) are still talking about it there must be something there... says he has 2 examples, then just says "Trump". (I don't understand how just saying "Trump" explains why CRT has merit?) later in the conversation Randall is asked to explain why some of his colleagues pressured him not to release his paper criticizing CRT "this will get in the way, our ideological enemies will use this against us, your black and criticizing other blacks can't you see that the white establishment is going to use your blackness against other black people" (some how he can't seem to see irony, in his colleagues telling him he is a black man and there for should think and act like one... while suggesting he is indoctrinated) sounded like a bunch of obfuscation to me Same thing happens with Ralph Richard Banks... starts of with deliberate criticisms of CRT, then moves to generalizing about how the alternative could be just as bad or worse, but again no direct criticism, other than claiming that "Abraham Lincoln was in favor of a 13th amendment that would have made abolition of slavery illegal" (offering NO Evidence to support this claim) he goes on to claim that "America does not see Black Americans as fully American or fully citizens or in some sense fully human" (again offers NO EVIDENCE as to how he can tell you what America as a whole thinks and feels) SOME PEOPLE USE A LOT OF WORDS, TO SAY ABSOLOUTLY NOTHING

[@ericboxer3053]

crt is just racism with new authors ..sick shit that will lead to tragedy

[@deec7124]

“His name will probably be Jared.” Best line (trying to take some levity from this topic)

[@risingmojofilter]

I'm not sure how I feel about that line honestly. :P

[@dawgridesagain8511]

Wow, I haven’t heard Dr. McWhorter speak before. Thank you for helping me see a bigger picture. And thank you Mr.Riley for facilitating and for the questions.

[@jjuniper274]

Watch Bret Weinstein and the Black Intellectual Roundtable. Was recorded summer 2020.

[@mrblobby6284]

try watching john mcworter podcast with glen lowry on youtube

[@user-tx2hu1ds5y]

If they don’t atleast bring up Helen pluckrose, James Lindsay and Peter and say anything about what they did to expose this in a big way then I call this suspect conversation

[@iayanarael2315]

EXCELLENT! (just left out Native-Indigenous Americans). Great to meet Banks Kennedy and Rufo for first time. Terrific moderation by Jason.

[@alexandrapasternak3040]

This CRT is happening in my school district right now outside of Philadelphia (on the "Main Line"). Families really have no idea what is going on. We are trying to get them to listen to discussions such as this. Thank you for this!

[@kenkal1829]

I have lived thru the 60's. I will tell you where racism does not exist. In a foxhole! In Viet Nam. And today? Take a day and visit a VA hospital. Look around at the old men playing cards telling jokes and laughing!! All colors, all ages and by and large ALL from the same backgrounds. A true BAND OF BROTHERS!!! Racism cannot be cured by a doctor, a teacher or a politician! The more you focus on it the more people are divided! How do you prove your not a racist? Somebody once said "you can't prove a negative". Logical? Truism? Every race or nationality has been subject to bias since the beginning of this country! Italians, Polish, Irish, Hispanics Japanese and even the American Indian! Probably the American Indians the most!! After the Civil War black, white, Irish and German Union soldiers were dispatched to the frontier to kill Indian men women and children! By Pres. Lincoln! They had government bounties on their heads! It's history and best be left alone, forgotten to only the history books!!!

[@billsimms2511]

CRT should have been talked about during the election but it was not. Trump was anti-CRT and Biden is pro-CRT..

[@davidmarroyo1]

Here is a petition my sister and I created to help fight against the Biden administration’s plan to use federal funds to promote CRT in local schools across the country. www.change.org/p/comment-to-proposed-priority-1-projects-that-incorporate-racially-ethnically-culturally-and-linguistically-diverse-perspectives-into-teaching-and-learning

[@k3nn3thinatl]

Riley drove me crazy by not responding to the idiocy being spouted.

[@michaelmarsden8549]

There in lies the problem, the opposition (which I include you) attacks the person over something trivial but never has a true response merely a dismissal. They (the panel) dealt with that in their narrative.

[@akoben]

I think he didn't want to embarrass them by exposing their grade school thinking

[@diranshouse7061]

He was the moderator. It wasn't his job.

[@billsimms2511]

Riley was more the moderator here though

[@samjoshi1812]

I don't think the idea of systemic racism is incompatible with self-reliance and responsibility

[@kbdosally3701]

Certainly. These guys ignore that the powers that be control almost all of these" successful Black politicians".And their success is predicated on their proximity and acceptance to long established racially defined hierarchical systems. This system confines the bulk of the descendants of Slavery to a permanent underclass, while elevating the few who go along. I'm convinced that many "race hustlers" exist as well, so It's a real mess. CRT is tool like a hammer. Some on the Left abuse it and "racist"nails hate it!

[@halofreak1990]

It is when it is used as an excuse to forego self-reliance and responsibility, which happens all too often.

[@viramandybur4915]

Thank you for this intelligent, nuanced discussion...we need more conversations just like this. Much respect to you all.

[@cobrakats7440]

Your comparison of CRT to hardcore religious belief is perfect.

[@wolfwind1]

Excellent discussion. Very much appreciate it. Glad to hear from public intellectuals that don't seem to have a lot of air time in the YT/Podcast arena, specifically, Prof's Kennedy and Banks. It would have been interesting to hear JM's response once the panel spoke. Rufo's investigative reporting is always compelling and he does his role well. Riley is an excellent interviewer, commentator. And of course JM is always thoughtful and substantive. Just really great to hear Kennedy and Banks who I have not heard from before. I will read Kennedy's article from way back! One small point, Prof Kennedy really isn't thinking very deeply regarding why Trump got elected, though in his defense that is itself a separate 2 hour discussion of notable complexity. Not a surprise that no one responded to it to discuss. Thank you again to Dr. Riley and the MI.

[@richardhiatt4551]

Thank you for intelligently demonstrating freedom of speech and thought. We must push back on those manipulating truth to gain power. Let us be free to think without coercion.

[@evansquilt]

Or, why I voted against Donald Trump....oh, is not what you meant? How sad.

[@TheOrdener]

Shelby Steele makes the point that regardless of your situation in any power structure, to flourish and be happy, there are things you, the individual, must do for yourself. It’s just a brute fact of the human condition. Which is why he said “To hell with justice!” when interviewed by John and Glenn recently. The focus is on the wrong place.

[@bucii01]

Shelby Steele and Thomas Sowell practice stoicism, we all should be infusing stoicism in our lives.

[@leiyang477]

It is called Freewill and Personal Agency, that is the whole point of the Earth Plane(3rd Dimension). Everyone has a set of hardships to overcome when we incarnate into this plane, to experience adversity and learn lessons. This is a world of duality, when there is hardship, there is joy and pride of overcoming hardship. Our society has forgotten to teach about being aware of emotions and be vigilant about not over identify with our emotions, in other words, we experience emotions, they are transitory, but we are NOT our emotions. Not matter what others do, we will always have control over how we choose to experience it. A switch, really. Once you get the hang of it, it is not that hard.

[@ORF5519]

I have to disagree with Prof. Banks' ideas about individual liberties. I believe it starts with personal responsibility, up and down the family/community structure. Without agency there is no solution, save tyranny. Just as some people need to have a check put on their excess, some people need to have a check put on there lethargy. Meaning, some people will have to be left to deal with the consequences of their choices, be it because they chose to indulge in opioids and became addicted as a result or they chose to no focus on learning and now have less options than their peers.

[@rickrudd]

Now you're talking too much sense. No, seriously. It would never occur to the average 1st gen South Korean immigrant to look to our govt for a damn thing, other than to be allowed into the country, no matter what hardship they were experiencing. Of course I want equality of opportunity, but there will never be equality of outcome. There are too many factors. Personal responsibility matters. We can never expect the govt to make our luck for us - we all have agency.

[@ORF5519]

@@rickrudd I think, the place to start is with the self, asking, “Have I done all I can do to get all that I can out of this experience?” I was sort of an immigrant to the academy as I didn’t start my undergraduate education until well into middle-age. I was also a single-dad at the time, so I didn’t have time to palaver. Now, I counted being a single dad and middle-aged in college as pluses. I could’ve seen them as impediments (as so many do). That was my chosen paradigm. Now that is not to infer that I was struggling, financially. We were not, but mostly because I couldn’t let us live outside our means. Kids need shelter, clothing and food after all. Nor was I starting over. I’d been apprenticed to my trade and worked in the profession for 22 years when I finally went back to school for degrees and certifications for said profession. So, I had the breathing room to be motivated about school. To wit, I was living a textbook example of privileged life, my responsibilities as a single-dad/sole head of household notwithstanding. At the end of the day it came down to me “deciding” I would meet these challenges. Rather than finding barriers or people in the way, I found a system and group of people bending over backwards to HELP me (to the extent that was reasonable) get through my university experiences. There were some issues because the university system was not designed for middle-aged, single-parent fathers (well, no system is designed for single-parent fathers truth be told). For instance, once when I missed school, I was told I needed to bring a note explaining why. I told the respective professor, “Look, I’m a single-day, my daughter was sick so I stayed home, period. If she is sick again, I will again be staying home. You will receive an email from me but that is it. You will NEVER get a “note” from me about my absence. I will make up the work, and get the notes/assignments from classmates now my own.” Besides, that I found that the “system” of professors, administrators and staff “had my back,” and did all they could to help me succeed. That was my experience from undergraduate straight through to doctoral studies. So the the only systemic and structural bias I saw were those for the unmotivated, that wanted to be handed everything.

[@TravisMcNeely]

I appreciate this great episode from you guys. I don’t know if you have heard about this law professor who is speaking out against Critical Race theory: kzbin.info/aero/PL7QJmrZLF5JvQFxeEOq2Ta72IBntipUDO He is a professor of law from LSU and a former critical theorist. You might consider interviewing him on your channel

[@Zuckerpuppekopf]

"Power differential" is primarily is about wealth and cultural assimilation. When in Rome, if you look Roman, talk like a Roman, and are wealthy, you are a good citizen. Race pales in importance, no pun intended. The current drift of critical race theory seems more about bolstering support for a presumption there can be a multicultural utopia out there somewhere. This is also rolled into whether poor urban cultures can keep their difficult to understand Ebonic "language" and use it in the workplace. This has never worked. Even in Roman culture, cultural differences were tolerated but nevertheless taunted. Immigrants and minorities that prioritize assimilation and efficient wealth accumulation succeed, and succeed quickly in the US.

[@lukedavis1769]

"Who has the youth, has the future." Quote from a WWII German leader. Social engineering 101... 🤔🤔🤔

[@jamapx]

Germany lost.

[@charliewatts6007]

-- Patriotic Americans need to stand up, organize and fight the Demonic Fox News Fascist Neo-Nazi Trump Supporting Satan Worshiping Social Justice Warriors who are trying to take over our schools, allow Russians to vote in our elections and indoctrinate our children in their white supremist ideology.

[@mrw417]

This discussion accidentally says everything we need to know about critical race theory: only black academics are allowed to express even a small measure of dissent.

[@kathleenbrush5135]

vThere is irony in listening to black professors from Stanford and Harvard - men that have greater success than most of the people investing 2 hours to learn more about CRT - defending in some form a "theory" that blames black powerlessness on white oppression. A former black Harvard professor (now at Brown) Glen Loury wrote in 1991:

[@gyro733]

Teach children this. Treat people the way you want to be treated always. Racism solved in a generation or two.

[@thelastliberal9807]

So Randall Kennedy called Trump a racist... in an intellectual debate and no one pushed back on him? As black people how can we allow such low brow slander? Demand that he back up his claim..... He doesn't understand that he's been a victim of propaganda. I guarantee he can't back up that claim with a person who knows what they are talking about. I'd love to have him try to defend that with me.

[@macslim187]

Overall I believe that we need to focus on agency first... Because once personal agency starts trending in the right direction then we can better pinpoint government policies that will actually help

[@Sanyi057]

I appreciate the Prof. Kennedy and Banks for being honest and having nuance in their criticisms. This is a good way to deal with ideas.

[@amberdavidson6827]

Thank you Gentlemen for having these discussions. This is the way!

[@demidickson3446]

This was such a great discussion! I wish there were more conversations on CRT that were balanced and highlighted different perspectives. Loved this!

[@kw2080]

It is a really difficult position classroom teachers are in; not just because of school boards but also because of the students. A teacher doesn’t want the student to shut down. If a student is taught their teacher is a racist then it reduces the impact that teacher can have on the student to improve their lives.

[@Ultra_Light_Beam]

Professors Banks and Kennedy are the honest/evenhanded motte of the larger CRT motte-and-bailey argument.

[@VJCargo]

It seems though like their partial defense of CRT is that - well but we need something to counter a deficit of anti-racism. Professors Banks said CRT is better than the alternative as if there can be only one alternative: that which is diametrically opposed to any recognition that we still have a problem of racism in America. Seeing the philosophical foundation of CRT and how it can be misused causes me to look for a "brand" of anti-racism that is less risky and would possibly achieve the goal more effectively. I understand Professor Kennedy's druther that we talk about specific ideas, but the question on the table was CRT as a package with a history and an orthodoxy.

[@VJCargo]

Is that what you mean by them motte? In which case I'd remove the word 'though' from my above comment. But certainly they are honest and even handed either way: meaning whether or not I comprehend the motte-and-baily fallacy.

[@xmanhall360]

48:00 this sounds like the fallacy of custom and future. Fallacy of custom - CRT is here so it must have a point. Fallacy of future - CRT because of things in the future like Donald trump. How does CRT explain Obama and Kalma Harris.

[@TheVicBarman]

Kennedy and Banks make good points that I agree with. But I think they are not taking the premises to their conclusions. The issue is that the PREMISES of Critical Race Theory leads to the nonsense that both McWhorter and the journalist talks about.

[@00J-Tone]

Yeah I just wanted to see their potential solutions even if unfinished. Felt like I only got concepts.

[@marionreynolds7080]

I reckon senior black Academics like those present here need to engage in mutually respectful open discussion with the Critical Race Theory cabal in the first instance. Unfortunately having learned a great deal from this very wide ranging and thoughtful discourse I have concluded that these crucial gatherings are simply not taking place at all.

[@sandiparr-latham5123]

They cannot engage them as CRT proponents do not debate. They mandate and dictate, but don't debate. I've watched videos from both sides. Their knee jerk reaction to their black peers is to call them Uncle Toms without saying wait a minute your viewpoint could have value as well. Anyone that doesn't subscribe to CRT beliefs is dismissed and denigrated without hesitation. Debate is dead. :(

[@bryanbeeblebrox8237]

Cancel culture (critical theory) is inherently anti-Christian by nature of the fact that there is no room for redemption. You can apologize all you want and cower to the mob (bad choice) but you will never be forgiven. Christ forgives. Christ redeems. Remember this in your hour of need, you will thank me later. "Lord God, hear my prayer. I recognize that I am a sinner and deserve death for disobeying your commandments. I accept Jesus' undeserved death on a cross in my place. I receive your forgiveness for my sin through Jesus' sacrifice for me. Holy Spirit, please come into my life, fill my heart with peace that only you can give, and help me follow your path instead of my own will that leads to destruction. In Jesus' name, amen." God accepts you as you are, wherever you are, and he loves you.

[@clayerkwiltee2315]

Excluding Christopher Rufo, this discussion went HARD low IQ after the John Mcwhorter segment ended. Yeah it got a little cringy.

[@williammorrison6311]

Yep, the other two are surprisingly incoherent on these issues. Still drinking the Kool-Aid.

[@leiyang477]

@@williammorrison6311 Very very funny! lol

[@jason.martin]

This is a must watch episode !!!

[@jimdandy849]

These guys are clearly well educated, and they accurately call out the intellectually simple, lazy and twisted.

[@kricachula7546]

Unfortunately, working at a University, a graduate school of social work, my entire JOB rests on adopting and espousing these ideas. It's a double whammy because we're supposed to be social justice warriors as social workers, and because universities are hotbeds of this ideology. As a social either, my career is OVER at the hint that I'm racist or any of the -ists. I'm trapped until this ever plays itself out and it implodes. It's hard because this framework is literally the antithesis of every clinical understanding I have about what moves people forward in life and what heals. 😢 As to the panel discussion, I absolutely agree that race is still impactful and we need to tackle it as a society. It's the particular lens of CRT that I have a problem with, because of its black and white tenents and air of religiosity (as McWhorter described) surrounding it. It's like being a Christian, and only allowing my denomination and persecuting all other ones as heretic.

[@marilyngesell4551]

A new movement needs to form. Independent Thinking. This kind of thinking based on experience's doing your own research get to know one another instead of forced to take a side. Trying to force people to take a side through violence and intimidation will never bring anyone together. Parents and the school system need be more responsible.

[@alexandrapasternak3040]

Yes!!!!!! This is happening in my school district.

[@gdaholic]

It’s so nice to have a very scholarly discussion about this! My brain craves it, but public colleges are now so infiltrated that it’s harder to find comprehensive scholarly conversation about any sensitive issue.

[@DeVaughnDawn]

Can anyone cite a single source from Derek Bell or any actual ‘Critical Race Theory’ proponents? People say that CRT is racist and Marxist... where are they getting this idea?

[@josemaldonado2769]

CRT is a branch of Critical Theory which has its origins in marxism

[@DeVaughnDawn]

@@josemaldonado2769 Is that a fact or simply an accusation?

[@josemaldonado2769]

@@DeVaughnDawn it's a fact.. critical theory has evolved since then but its was originally a marxist based teaching iep.utm.edu/frankfur/

[@susanzeidler3960]

Read: Cynical Theories by Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsey. You may not agree with their conclusions but it explains the history of where it came from

[@DeVaughnDawn]

@@susanzeidler3960 I don’t mean to be “RaCisT” or rude or anything.. but as a black man, the ideas of critical race theory written by white people are ideas I take less seriously. How is a white person going to explain the perspectives non white people have on race? It’s almost as if America is propagating being “colorblind” just so they can put their fingers in places they don’t belong. For example, white people keep bring up DiAngelo an her ideas as a reason why they don’t like CRT... DiAngelo never even claimed to be a Critical Rave Theorist, yet white people go to her first before reading the words of Derrick Bell which preceded the works of DiAngelo.

[@edmathews1817]

Thank you for a sane reasoned intelligence and ultimately compassionate view. The social media seems to be the game changer in every area be at the arts

[@weirdotter930]

I find it strange that so many companies would apply something like the implicit biased test when the designers of the test admit that it doesn’t actually work in practice.

[@forwardpaunganwa4135]

We're wearing these stupid masks which the manufactures themselves have warned (on the packaging) that they do not protect us from viruses.

[@ericwilliams1023]

He said why are we still discussing reperations....because we haven't gotten them.

[@ericwilliams1023]

@Amanda Reckonwith not in this lifetime. But that's not going to stop the discussion

[@susanzeidler3960]

Reparations are only paid once. Nobody pays Reparations to every new generation. I agree with John McWhorter 's view that they have already been paid. I do however think we need to invest in poor communities still suffering effects from redlining. No city in the US should look like Baltimore

[@ZZ-yw5sh]

We are not the people who owned slaves…..and current blacks are not slaves. The ridiculous notion of giving blacks reparations in 2021 is simply that..RIDICULOUS.

[@ericwilliams1023]

@@ZZ-yw5sh reperations are for past wrongs..u dont like it too bad. Your ancestors weren't slaves,nor sufferers Jim Crow,which my mother and brother lived directly through so it's nice to act like Blacks have evened the score when that's not the case. Also what reperations were paid? Basic humans rights that we had to kicked in the head and beaten just to get? We can give Isreal Billions yet people say reperations are impossible?

[@leiyang477]

@@ericwilliams1023 Reparations is "repackaged" Welfare system, look what that does to our community and families? It destroys. It is like a narcotics, let's wean ourselves off it. You do realize this is the Matrix, right? And it is cracking, best to unplug ourselves now rather than being unplugged.

[@lessevdoolbretsim]

"Historians"? More like "hysterians".

[@abbefolkseger6927]

No one dare talking about the Jews skincolour. Only old Nazi myth are vital

[@johnberk9315]

Why didn't you have on someone who supports CRT? I'd rather hear from both sides than just opponents.

[@kevinlawrence8580]

The entire systemic racism issue doesn't make sense to me. we had a black president for eight years. We've had black Mayors, and police chiefs for decades. Hell we had a black governor in Virginia and Seattle had a black female police chief. So where is the systemic racism?

[@CK-zp8tx]

Prof McWhorter should have stayed for the panel discussion. No disrespect to Chris Rufo who made excellent points and pushed back against Prof Kennedy. But it’s 2 v 1 with Jason Riley moderating and staying relatively neutral. Profs Kennedy and Banks simply have a few more degrees and lived experience that put Rufo at a disadvantage even if the Professors have wrong takes. For example, Prof Banks saying our founding principles of individual rights need to be changed just because of disparities of outcomes. Like Prof Kennedy saying CRT is amorphous which is disingenuous for a law professor to say as he has a long history of experience with CRT including claiming to have criticized it. The underlying Marxist foundations applied to race are undeniable and well documented in their own writing. The assumption of white guilt even in young children is a hallmark that is also well documented in their own literature and teachings.

[@APinoSr]

Great conversation, very interesting.

[@TheOrdener]

John’s ending is priceless! (Jared)

[@jerodmckee1608]

Thank goodness my name "Jerod" is spelled differently 😂😂 my wife and I were sitting here watching like awww man!

[@mademsoisellerhapsody]

@@jerodmckee1608 HA!

[@BradfordHills]

Outstanding conversation

[@SevenRiderAirForce]

"He at least puts books into his hands" What a ringing endorsement of a person's intellect...

[@kenkal1829]

Yup and those books your gonna have to buy are EXPENSIVE!! Most kids don't need this and if they do they would be better off spending the money on a shrink!!

[@r_e_panzer4960]

@49:42 The gentleman is saying Trump was openly showing racial resentment and racial animus. I've looked for examples where Trump did this and am unable to find any. I'm told he was using "dog whistles" where it is implied, but can anyone point me to where he said something which this dude is talking about?

[@richardmunsch8127]

5 months and nobody could think of a single example.

[@MauricXe]

@@richardmunsch8127 well to be fair most folks that watch this lean to the right. I imagine he would get a better answer on a left leaning channel.

[@ZZ-yw5sh]

@@MauricXe you give us the example.

[@rebeccagrrrl2699]

Excellent opening... I did not realize that this whole scenario is a repeat!

[@lindamaxey3827]

Yeah, good to note that fact !

[@JemyM]

In Social Psychology, the "accentuation effect" happens when social categories are exaggerated. The outcome is discimination and in/outgroup conflict. In the same way, some psychological experiments have shown how racism can be quickly and effectively be diminished by being exposed to different worldviews that accentuate other social categories than race (Can race be erased? Coalitional computation and social categorization). We have known about the accentuation effect this since the 50ies. Its nothing new. There's a mountain of evidence for it. Its one of the closest thing to a "scientific law" in social psychology really. I have no idea how the Critical Race Theory advocates missed that, but I guess they just ignore psychology as a science. Their activity clearly create racism for well known and researched reasons.

[@merlingeikie]

Healthy, confident and informed discussion works wonders. Many thanks from your buddies here in Australia

[@stedivechanwick9835]

I believe corporate do diversity training to avoid getting cancelled. In addition, based on what I seen around the definition of "equality vs equity" as part of the training; I believe they are conditioning the employees to almost not be surprised + do not compliant that any hiring/laying off decision will take race into consideration. I think most corporates are afraid if there company have too many white people in it nowadays (like what happened with hollywood recently) they would get cancelled. I don't know where this road leads us.

[@dianekiley5363]

I'm 55 also and I agree whole heartedly with Dr.John McWhoter