Many players quit DBD over this... | Dead by Daylight

The other day we played a match that perfectly encapsulated the reason a lot of people quit playing DBD. Getting hit by serious bugs, outdated mechanics and uninteractive lose-lose situations all in the course of a single match is something that newer players should not be subjected to. I thought some people might appreciate knowing that despite all of these things, you can still perform well and not lose your mind in the process.
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[@arthurhebertthomsen6560]

"Relatively newer player" *shows 905 hours* Truly a DBD moment.

[@thatoneguywhosjustthere1478]

Can u pet me pls??

[@notOtzdarva]

It's really not bait, this is a very unique game where you're NOT expected to be amazing with only ~900h. With that playtime there's a good chance you haven't even played against all the Killers yet since some of them are so unpopular.

[@oscarriveraabal9390]

I bought the game on day one, been playing and not playing since then and only have around 650 hours. Every person i added while playing has at least 10.000 or even 20.000 hours.

[@David_Vitek]

​@@thatoneguywhosjustthere1478 *pet pet pet

[@buddyboog6661]

@@notOtzdarvaYUPPP!!! i’m around the same hour count right now, and while i’m good at looping and have some game knowledge some killers i haven’t gone against enough to have good counter play against them

[@TheOnlyToblin]

As frustrating as all the stuff you're showing here is, the fact that you take the time to not only EXPLAIN, but DEMONSTRATE the techs used and attempted is pure, liquified gold for someone learning the game. THANK YOU, Otz.

[@DontReadMyPicture93]

*Don’t read my name………😮*

[@medicgaming1200]

Notice how he also uses the same cosmetics as the survivors. I really love those small details

[@reivoidwalker]

He really is a saint. We love Otzdarva

[@Vort23]

Otz is the biggest reason I've stuck with this game, he either has the info on his site or a link to someone else who does. It's an amazing treasure trove of info for anyone to use

[@scribdeath7621]

@@Vort23 Without the Otz videos and his website I wouldn't play this game.

[@igor1459]

The ada definitely knew, her whole build and the way she played it looks as if she's playing around the bug, why else would she not wait for the healing prior to taking the hit on dead hook? At best she was really confident on her looping and ace saving her

[@jnever9768]

she was exploiting 100%

[@NameIsDoc]

Yeah that's survivors in a nutshell

[@SissypheanCatboy]

@@NameIsDoc Dawg, lets stop playing the dumb "survivors r so awful and toxic" game. Both sides absolutely take advantage of exploits. When the infinite gen regression Legion exploit happened you could go against dozens of them in a single night.

[@NameIsDoc]

@@SissypheanCatboy and? Survivors don't get their exploits patched. Killers get any advantage fair or unfair it gets destroyed in seconds. This survivor exploit has been available for months and despite complaints has never been addressed. And I would like to point out I have entire lists of survivor exploits thankfully most people don't know about and despite several people reporting them none has been addressed or even locked out. I have a exploit that is 2 years old and makes gens fly. With a singular perk you can get 150% repair rate for the entire match and it can stack with other Gen repairs increasing everything by 1.5x. I reported it in the ptb along side my friends. Nothing has been addressed thankfully the popular streamers haven't seen it or haven't spoken about it (although I know 3 that do know). I don't exploit it because it is an exploit. Not entirely true I did once when survivors were complaining about 3 gens as this build could pop gens before even old chessmaster skully could catch you. So I am tired of the uneven treatment

[@Morder97]

@@SissypheanCatboy Or even another legion bug from way back when, The Infinite Mending exploit.. Where the filthy blade and the other knife addon iirc, would stack their increased mending time on deep wounds.. And the bug was if a Legion hit someone multiple times, their mending would take literal minutes or more. It was suuuch hell to play against. IIRC BHVR at the time even put an announcement in-game when you boot it up, that they'd ban anyone who is running that combination for multiple matches, since back then Killswitch didn't exist yet.

[@ajkcool]

I still find it ridiculous how Freddy loses his teleport during endgame, or just when a gen is done in general. Talk about an outdated mechanic, sheesh

[@ProjectXenome]

As a Freddy main, your opinion sucks.

[@xrad3269]

@@ProjectXenomeas another freddy main, no one asked for your replay

[@thezachmax5450]

as a third freddy main here shut up

[@ProjectXenome]

@@xrad3269 Anime Profile Picture + Showcases p100 characters. Those are signs that you're severely mentally challenged. I assume your disrespect to the only true Freddy main is by accident due to your lacking intellect. I'm willing to forgive you on that basis. God bless.

[@ProjectXenome]

@@thezachmax5450 The two of you put together wouldn't even be a fraction of the amount of true Freddy main that I am.

[@dexskyy8163]

Quit dbd ages ago, still enjoy these vids regardless. Thanks Otz

[@notOtzdarva]

Thanks bud. Hope the game earns your love back.

[@harrylarry6324]

@@notOtzdarva I actually understand players quitting the game. Dbd needs to stop trying to make this game too competitive when they clearly have zero idea on how to. Especially doesn’t help that this game originally started off as a party game. The matching system is extremely one sided, and sense release still doesn’t work as you can still, to this day, see killers and survivors abuse the lowering of mmr trick by being afk while doing only a few interactions to avoid being kicked. It’s awful.

[@yuri_8368]

Me too

[@csabavarga8496]

Me too

[@TreeeFiddy]

​@@harrylarry6324 It's competitive. It's a mixture of actual game play and knowledge of the game like perks and mechanics in the game that benefit you

[@mamfa0071]

Nothing, in my opinion, is worse in dbd than losing horribly on killer as your main. And as a dredge main, each game feels like a gamble between having a blast and regretting my existence 😭

[@drlecter2077]

As someone who loves playing Dredge, I feel your pain. I actually considered becoming a Dredge main after its release, but the map reliance and the removal of lockers in each map rework was one of the things that made me forget about it.

[@no3linho]

Fellow Dredge main here, I am so relating to that, it's insane how you can go from a 4k with 2 gens done to being absolutely destroyed to 4 man escape with 3 hooks

[@Hyrule409]

You shouldn't be taking the game so seriously that you don't enjoy playing it. Every single live-service game will do this to you. When I recognized that I'll never be "the best" at any competitive gaming stuff, I stopped trying. And for better or for worse, gaming got good for me again. Not telling you to not follow your dreams of being the world's best Dredge main, if that's what you want, but if you're playing to have fun then playing competitively should be the last thing you should be doing.

[@TheLevrion]

I don't feel satisfied even when i get 4k, all i feel is frustration and just trying to do 1 or 2 challenges and quit.

[@mcdonnas377]

Knowing my main Dredge is a week killer makes me feel less bad about losing. "Yep, I chose this main. Can't do much about losing".

[@fajnejhajnejcz2668]

I have 900 hours on DBD and you are absolutely right. The worst thing is, when a match like this happens to me, the survivors are not only not empathetic, they want to cause the most suffering possible.

[@ThePhantomSafetyPin]

Every single time. You wanna know where all the toxicity comes from in this community? Hint - it's not the Killers. It's almost NEVER Killers in my experience. And then the more the Killer experiences these toxic Survivors, the more toxic THOSE Killers become. Survivors, it starts with you. It fucking starts with you. Please be better.

[@ICee712]

I had to stop playing killer very much at all. I don't have nearly as many hours as a lot of people. But, I still have 3,000 myself. I played my first 1,000 hours mostly as killer. Very few survivor games. I thought killer seemed like it would be badass and fun. The more I played, the worse it became. I didn't understand what was going on when I ran into a locker squad my first time. I'd grab, they'd flashlight, and repeat. Then throw in head-ons here and there. "Just go for someone else" - when all 4 of them are doing the exact same thing, I didn't know what else to do. This was my first couple hundred hours. Eventually one broke off to do gens, that I clearly didn't notice. Gates powered, and ten more minutes of heads ons and flashlight saves.Then standing at the exit until the last second before end game collapse is over. Followed by end game chat, letting me know how GGEZ the game was and I should KMS. I had no idea that kind of play had existed in DBD up until that point. When I started, I thought t-bagging was a sign of respect, saying "thanks" or "gg" at the end of the game. After that locker squad, they let me know how covered in feces they left me. My last couple thousand hours has been almost entirely on survivor. With maybe 100-200 hours as killer. I can't play more than 1 or 2 games as killer, before I close it out now. Blows my brains out when I see survivors complain about killers. As an almost entirely survivor based player now - survivor is so much more laid back and relaxed than killer. The occasional tunneling killer, or camper - I understand it, and it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I say this after having just finished playing a survivor game with all 4 of us out against Plague. She had ONE hook the entire game. Killer side is pain after a certain point.

[@TheEldenCheese]

yeah. cuz every other match they had, they got tunneled, camped, and BMed by some toxic loser. the community puts toxicity in, and gets mad when they get it back. you play killer, and you get toxic survivors, its just karma. Devs dont put any positivitiy in this game, so none comes back out. Game is a cesspool of toxic losers on all sides, and its because the devs not only allow it, but incentivise, and encourage it

[@MillieDuu]

It sucks that as the killer you experience wayyy more toxicity than playing as survivor…and people still say the game is killer sided 😔

[@JSpeedy306]

This is the only way to prevent hook stage. It's really just mechanic of the game. Also bad killers usually even won't get survivors who can time flashbang/flashlight. I too want to have fun in this game, sadly all I know how to do is repairing a gen and holding W.

[@sawandrea]

Love the fact that you recreate some chase moments in private matches to help us understand what they were doing

[@niallharrison8180]

relatively new is 900 hours 😂 that’s a whole other issue i have with the game

[@SittingDucklord]

Yeh it’s mental, that’s a huge amount of time to put into a game and you’re still considered new 😅

[@notOtzdarva]

I think it's very reasonable to assume that a 900h Killer might be in the *exact* same matchmaking range as myself (since MMR cap is relatively easy to reach). So yes, this match could have been played by someone with that or even less hours. 🤷‍♂

[@taxevasion6765]

@@notOtzdarva yes, but the point of this is to show that dbd's learning curve is shaved like a cliff, or mount everest. the problem is from the fact that even a player with a thousand hours is still considered new, were in every other game a player with a thousand hours is considered a veteran and highly skilled.

[@oscarriveraabal9390]

And you can bet they dont have more than 1 or 2 characters at max rank.

[@UmbreonMessiah]

​@@notOtzdarva I feel like you're missing the point of what's being said here. The idea that someone could play this game for 900 hours and be considered "new" is the problem, not the matchmaking. For reference, I have half as much time in Elden Ring as I do in DBD, but in Elden Ring I would be considered a seasoned player way before that timeline. That DBD is a game where 900 hours of someone's life is "new" is a fundamental problem with the game's design.

[@doctorlogan4099]

This Lightborn advertisement is great

[@seruyeh6123]

New offering: disposable sunglasses. Grant you a basekit Lightborn during this match.

[@hopesfall2win]

"why were gens completed so quickly?" - users of Lightborn

[@kidscast5842]

Only maybe worth against background player which u can’t know someone is running even if they have a flashlight

[@Kezsora]

Lightborn is mediocre in the majority of matches. Unless you get a background player squad who know what they're doing, which isn't super common, you can do what Lightborn gives you with just decent game sense. It's a waste of a perk slot most of the time as you could be running something a lot better. It's also true what @hopesfall2win said. If a decent team knows you're running Lightborn, they'll stop going for the secondary objective of flashlight/flashbang saves and just focus completely on gens. If you're good at DbD you want survivors to waste time going for saves that they aren't going to get.

[@Cptnutshack11]

@@Kezsora agreed. Thats why when I am playing a killer like Freddy I run end game perks… for others like Demo or Dredge I run aggressive perks. Lightborn was one I used to run when I was new but now I see it as wasted space. Its a good perk to have for new players who need assistance but now Ive learned with things like flash bangs or firecrackers to just look up

[@strongerthanever2039]

4:44 Your cat the moment you leave the house:

[@double2helix]

I've seen a few smaller content creators who understandably got quiet upset at similar matches, I think it the fact that Otz can remain calm and collected in such games while not invalidating peoples complaints about balance is what makes him such a popular and respected figure in the community.

[@MNMonroe84]

If their weren’t swf though this game would be dead can you imagine only solo queue yikes!

[@BwanaLasPelotas]

@@MNMonroe84 I mean...The game was over at the very start if Otz didnt gave them a chance to recover, there were 3 people on the ground (even if one had Unbreakable). I understand why Otz gave them a chance, but for anyone who's not a "content creator" woulnd't care about having a ""fun"" game and get the win right there

[@zackmash851]

@@BwanaLasPelotas if he left to find the fourth, the UB woulda picked up the person next to them like 10 seconds later and they would have at least 3 up if not all 4 before he could do anything about it. picking was the right call considering ub in play

[@BwanaLasPelotas]

@@zackmash851 The 4th player (It was Ace, I think) was right there, even if Dwight picked himself up, it was a very early use of the only player with UB and with how good is Otz, they would crumble at the pressure to having 3 people on the ground and UB already used, specially if Otz got a hit on that 4th player before Dwight used his UB

[@MrEzioCraft360]

I love the little flashbacks to explain techs and tricks visually you do. I feel they don't get near enough praise, it's such a small detail but increases the production quality by sooo much, I love it

[@xChikyx]

yeah, it's what makes this channel the best for dbd content

[@pawekomorniczak1642]

And its also why you meet blight and nurse afery game, flashlights are not that scary against them

[@notOtzdarva]

Fun fact: I once played in a lobby with several P100's and we played against non-stop Blights because other Killers would just dodge the lobby 😂

[@astupidlylongnamethatstoolong]

Yep, its frustrating to play anything else but the top killers because you just get bullied out of hard earned downs.

[@Luke-cp9to]

​​@@notOtzdarva basically you were restricted to playing comp only lobbies. Very unfortunate for those survivors that are just average at the game but have high prestige.

[@jonathanbazinet4909]

@@notOtzdarva do you think prestige/items should be hidden from killers in lobby?

[@JF-um3wz]

I’ve had games like this, and I’m nowhere NEAR 900 hours. Bully squad consisting of: - Rescue Builds/Flashlights+Flashbangs - Sabo Builds/Sabo Toolboxes - Either endurance or genrushing? (It was months ago, I don’t remember the specific details). And they proceeded to say “I deserved it” in the endgame chat because I had NOED or something. It’s like you say in the video, these perks basically give survivors MULTIPLE extra hook stages, which is fine in isolation, but when a group takes advantage of it in order to outright bully the killer out of the game, it really makes you not want to play anymore from how infuriating it is. If there was a perk that effectively decreased the number of hook stages a survivor had, as quickly and as easily as SWFs were able to pull it off, there’d be riots. There’s no easy way to counter a seal team 6 “rescue” squad without resorting to something like tunneling, which they’ll ALSO give you shit over.

[@vradarx]

You deserve it for using NOED just like they deserve to be tunneled or slugged for using their builds, if you can't handle these teams then just use the counter perks lightborn iron grasp agitation etc. and enjoy their tears.

[@JF-um3wz]

@@vradarx The problem is they’re not prevalent enough for me to counter build around them normally, so I’m always caught off guard. Oh, and I tried to slug the last survivor so they couldn’t get rescued and escape. They basically overwhelmed me in a way where I couldn’t defend every angle, and someone managed to get the healing pickup off, which they were very pointed about bragging about in the endgame chat.

[@jacobc4582]

Deserved for noed? That's a brand new swf squad, probably same hours as you or less for each of them. Good killers don't bring noed. We bring blight, spirit or nurse and 4k at 5 gens running a slowdown build. Those are just toxic noobs.

[@JF-um3wz]

@@jacobc4582 They were definitely super coordinated for a new team, if you’re right. I always find the anti-NOED crowd super funny. They’re more than happy to load up on rescue builds, which does FAR more than NOED ever could, lol. I never rely on NOED when I’m using it, it’s stupid to gamble on the endgame without a full endgame build.

[@Theray0evan]

man, i feel you, i have less than 350 and i face these teams almost every other day. Cant even blame my perks for boosting me, at most i run A slowdown. Heck i no longer run DMS on Artist and still get fully coordinated Rescue /Sabo SWFs

[@Pholarbear]

Thank you for talking about this, as well as demonstrating all the things so nicely. I have a friend who only just started and she is so overwhelmed by the amount of killers, killer powers, perks, and all these techs... Let alone the matchmaking. I watched her stream some games when she was playing solo, and I can tell she is getting really experienced killers. It must be so overwhelming to be new to this game in current times. :(

[@realmjumper8154]

I had the endurance bug happen to me recently and it’s really unfortunate because some survivors deliberately abuse it and others don’t even know it exists. I had a survivor stop the chase the other day because they were confused why they had tanked another hit. They let me down them and messaged after saying they had thought it was because there was a cheater in the match. It’s a deeply frustrating bug that unfortunately makes matches so much more difficult against coordinated teams who are abusing it.

[@catofdeath8177]

I didn't even know it was a bug-- had it happen a while ago and assumed I just misremembered who I just hit with endurance :/

[@lapisinfernalis9052]

I only abuse it when the killer is tunneling. Else I heal myself anyway or do a gen, removing Endurance.

[@danirodriguez3682]

Yep did nor know it was a bug until this video. I put it and DS on after being tunneled out with a cute little healing build for I think all but one or two matches over 5 days of games. And was so frustrated that running 2 anti tunnel perks got me tunneled even harder. Like buddy I don’t want to take autodidact off but I would like to play a game in which I’m not hard tunneled out.

[@Valkyrie_Veil]

@@lapisinfernalis9052Oh, how nice that you only cheat when the other side is doing a legitimate tactic. :p

[@lapisinfernalis9052]

@@Valkyrie_Veil usually it never happens, because there is no time to mend in a chase. If I pull it off though and the killer still chases me, that's their problem, not mine. But in your opinion I should just pretend and not mend? What happens if I mend and the killer finds me on my way to a Gen or another player to heal me? Should I just stand there and let them down me? Don't tunnel and you don't have to deal with that bug. Simple. I would not use a combo like that one player in the video though. That is only asking to get banned for exploits.

[@yeetmcskeet9533]

Having to hit survivors four times just for them to go down and then get swarmed by the rats for a save every game is what has driven me away from this game after 5400 hours. I dread playing this game now and since I've been sticking to single player games I feel much better.

[@renjiaow3742]

It's a bullying simulator for people in comm's.

[@fart63]

@@renjiaow3742most people even in comms cannot pull this off. These games are rare

[@lil_230]

​@renjiaow3742 how were they bullying otz?

[@AkumosBDF]

@@renjiaow3742 yup that's why I bully the fuck out of survivors, and without exception they always get mad and wonder why I do it. How many times can I try to play fair and get teabagged and bullied before they expect me to just proxy and tunnel the fuck out of them?

[@renjiaow3742]

@@fart63 That is true, it's still frustrating earning your down and having it taken away from you with no counter.

[@viiovi5681]

your videos help me so much, i use your techniques on killer all of the time, such as using power to bait dh, the screen flick for dh, the mindgames you use, builds. Thank you for being the pillar of this community otz!!!! my absolute favourite dbd youtuber.

[@MastermindMonokumaDimention]

The haste for everyone, the constant restrictions on what killers can and cant do, the 5000 endurances, the maps. It's why I quit playing killer even though the only reason I came back to DBD was Pyramid Head. I started playing only survivor and had a lot more fun and honestly felt like I was having an easier time but eventually I just got bored and just don't play anymore game just isn't fun anymore on either side. And with the recent changes and updates I don't see that ever changing outside of maybe game modes

[@greenmogus6293]

At least the "restrictions" are made up and you don't have to care about them if you don't want to.

[@Inaluogh]

@@greenmogus6293 base kit BT now forces you to tunnel when it was supposed to prevent you from it. Because the unhooked survivor will 99% time just bodyblock you so you can't damage the healthy survivor and have to waste more time hitting a target that cannot be downed before you can start chasing any of them again. You wouldn't say this if a mechanic was implemented for killers that actually negated bodyblocking where they could just shove you aside. You would say that's a restriction on survivors. Get real.

[@spinalcord6308]

Games like these are why I run lightborn/ Franklin’s demise. Teams that focus on items will either crumble at the first sign of resistance or regroup and improvise a new plan. I know I shouldn’t have one or the other in every killer loadout, but the moment I see more than one flashlight in the lobby one of those perks go on.

[@bobbydazzler2960]

tbf you have just as much a right to try to win as the survivors, even if it's through using those kind of perks

[@Purrfect_Werecat]

bully squads giving up the instant they realize its not just one but both, that kept me going when my inability to pull a consistent winrate nearly had me quitting lol.

[@Askanon]

Generally my reaction too. See a flashlight? Lightborn. Medkits? Nurse's calling. In higher ranks I would imagine doing such a thing doesn't help as much as it would at lower ranks but still. Nothing is more satisfying than watching a would be troll squad crumble because they can't blind you. xD

[@XLbuffLive]

Imagine how clueless new killers are against this stuff. Like why I hit injured survivor and he ran away? Why other survivor run with super sonic speed? Why I got blinded if I turned to the wall? Why I should care to play "nice" and don't "tunnel" against this? etc.

[@FailToilet]

Luckily all new up until veteran killers tunnel anyway on 5 gens while stacking 3-4 slowdowns and get easy wins against clueless solo queue survivors.

[@Mobilwars]

new killers for the first few matches doesn't have any tryhard survivors, buy after playing 10-20 hours using the same killer survivors are very experienced. This is just a nightmare

[@therealsickcrom499]

​@@FailToiletand you think a tunneling baby killer would win against something like this?

[@FailToilet]

@@therealsickcrom499 a baby killer shouldn’t find players like this in the lobby

[@CoOlKyUbI96]

Unless you’re willing to spend so much time sitting down and reading the in game guides, the playable tutorial isn’t really that helpful

[@kevinduron3753]

Always appreciate the information segments when you talk about phrases that only moderate to experience players would know. This is def the channel for newer players to get into dbd

[@BuckyCannons]

The quality of your content is astronomically high. The little cut-aways you put together showing the successful techs and strategies are amazingly helpful. Fantastic video, as always, Otz!

[@thefailbender]

I once played a Twins match (one of my mains) where they had Expo, Boil Over, Sabo, Breakdown, and Flashlights, and while 3 of them were messing with me, they had a Yoichi stick to gens. It was on Haddonfield and they just kept running upstairs. The thing is, you can’t really bully a Twins that way, since I’m in 2 places at once. So, after a lot of boon snuffing, Victor screaming, slugging (Nea and Feng bled to death), finally hooking the Meg, and catching the Yoichi, I got my 4k. I just kind of stared at the end game screen afterwards for a good solid few minutes before closing the game for the day. Even when you win matches against squads like these, it doesn’t necessarily FEEL super good. I just felt exhausted. And I have no idea how I would have handled it on my other main, Pig.

[@dankmemes7796]

Yeah can’t help but notice he’s playing Freddy with a non competitive build and playing very fair . Hell every survivor was death hook . And people wonder why they run into some many blights with 3 slowdowns .

[@reversezoom4285]

teams like this is one of the reasons i chose pyramidhead for my second main

[@Purrfect_Werecat]

at some point the effort to win stops being fun, even if you can pull it off. At least thats how i feel, i started going for just ruining the fun of bullies and trying to take their items instead of actually getting kills for a solid year or so. i did have a couple of them get pretty salty at lightborne AND franklins lol... but i didnt care, because it made the game more fun again and less absolutely infuriating.

[@jonathanbazinet4909]

@@dankmemes7796 that's why I think it's not a bad game, it's even a really good game, 10 hooks 2 kill 2 escape? I mean I wouldn't stop playing after getting a result as good as that

[@dankmemes7796]

@@jonathanbazinet4909 it’s a tie , survivors could say you lost and you get bagged at the gate

[@Chaziltasm]

I gave up on DBD ages ago. The inherent issue with the game is that when one side is having fun, the other isnt. In most pvp games, regardless of how one team is doing, there's always a chance to have fun. In DBD if you are survivor and you are against a nurse who is slugging at 5 gens, then you want to DC. If you are killer and get a game like this, then you just never want to play again. It also contributes to a cycle of toxicity where people have a bad game, so the next game they take all the strongest perks and builds to try to avoid having a bad game again.

[@curtis19921]

This is so true great point

[@Ocktay]

I disagree, i can take any game that i know personally 'or from afar' and they can all be equivalent or even worse than DBD in terms of feeling helpless, wanting to quit and break your keyboard... In fact, that's just the nature of PvP games in general and saying that they're always a chance to have fun regardless of how one team is doing, you gonna need some examples to back-up because any pvp game that i play, when i get shit on by the other team, it's hard to have fun whatsoever.

[@dineez627]

@@Ocktay Examples: Battlefield 4 when I was losing I would play on the flying drone or cruise around the map squishing players, in a Call of Duty game I would go for 360 no scopes, in Halo I would go invisible and wait for a juicy kill, in Warzone I would go hide and collect thousanads of dollars to bring my whole team back (also live in the gas), in Rainbow Six Siege I would attempt ultra gooby strats. Fun even when losing.

[@kirin316]

​@@Ocktay That's just you then. No other PVP game I fw is as annoying as this one

[@Brutes_]

Ive had many games as survivor that were fun even if no one escaped or i died early. everyone finds different aspects of the game fun, I enjoy chase i dont necessarily care about escaping. I think overall its just about your mindset i understand for new players it can be frustrating but thats part of learning which imo is part of the fun. Yes you get boring games every so often like people who slug the entire match but that is pretty rare

[@Akition]

I gotta say, even as someone that knows the Lingo of DBD its very nice to have these little explanations of things like "FOV-Tec". Please keep those around in the future :) Love your videos!

[@pennyworth8881]

Otz these educational notes are really helpful , even for more experienced players like me ! Keep up the great work ! ❤

[@drlecter2077]

Otz having one of the most insufferable matches imaginable: keeps his cool and remains more chill than most of the playerbase would be able to. Otz facing a single Knight bug: 😤 Seriously though, it’s baffling how Knight still has some of the bugs he had on his release. It’s been a year and a half (not to mention the Twins…)!

[@ThePhantomSafetyPin]

Otz is a friggin' inspiration and I try so hard to be like him in my own DBD experience. It helps I like really hard games, so I am more resilient than average. But even I have my breaking point and so does Otz. I love this game. I hate how frustrating people CONSTANTLY make it.

[@KOHoxton]

I mean....we can talk about blight too, i stopped playing him. Because i just want his hitboxes fixed lol. Hillbilly is insufferable occasionally.

[@evangingerson1271]

I would have quite that match. Or camped early,

[@liandre9035]

I remember when i was brand new to the game, i faced an boon exponential + old unbreakable squad, with sabo toolboxes and flashlights. On Old RPD. Ofc they would abuse the living hell out of library... I was new, i didnt know how to counter, i realized i needed to slugg all of them and then snuff out the boon too but ofc that was a game i couldnt win. I was so mad because these people would refuse to play the game and progress the generators, they used me as a punching bag litteraly. At the end i would ACTUALLY beat them because they got way too cocky, and instead of hooking them i let them all bleed out, not even out of spite but because i was worried they would wiggle free again and the whole story starts from scratch. And then they had the audacity to tell me im not allowed to slug. This was my first, i think i took a fiew days off and then made a thread how rpd library needs a change, on the main BHVR page and many people would agree. I cant even recall what made me still play the game, i know there mustve been something, i think it was late at night and i just decided to not play late at night as long as i dont have enough experience.

[@gianglai7346]

You are not allowed to do anything as a killer. Because by the survivor rule book, your job is to be a babysitter and ensure fun by your misery. JK, just play the game and don't feel bad. It's just a game after all.

[@liandre9035]

@@gianglai7346 Dont tell me, tell the thousands of people that unironicly cry around anytime they lose, being all annoying in chat XD Telling me about their pathetic rules thinking i care, when i clearly dont.

[@hgamesca8288]

@@liandre9035 the cognitive dissonance in both of your comments is actually something to marvel at.

[@aroace7913]

@@hgamesca8288 Why did you even comment when you have nothing to say lol.

[@liandre9035]

@@hgamesca8288 found the entitled crybaby XD

[@zeenukcheolakee5203]

I had a game last night while trying to practice my Hag and I got tbagged and clicked at every 2 seconds. Glad I have this video to hopefully learn how to handle some similar situations! Thanks Otz

[@VenomSWR]

I stopped playing DbD 3 weeks ago, and this vid gave me anxiety that I haven't felt in almost a month. Thanks Otz KEKW

[@AaronScotz]

This is why I just keep Lightborn on permanently. I have eye issues and just can't be bothered with this. Even if no flashlights or firecrackers, I still run lightborn just in case of Residual Manifest. I just can't.

[@joeyawiki3315]

I absolutely hate getting blind back then too because it's feels like I am blind irl due to extremely bright screen

[@dumbluckduckgoose9437]

I feel this. I rather they make the screen black than what we have right now because its genuinely painful on the eyes

[@aidendavies4648]

Look at a wall babes, look at a wall. Don’t waste ur perk slots

[@spinnyboi9951]

​@@aidendavies4648flashbang/party poppers still work even if you were to directly hug the wall

[@GoldenDeer_]

⁠@@aidendavies4648too bad flashbangs exist…also not everyone is near a wall. Did you completely ignore the fact that the blindness hurts their eyes?

[@Vort23]

Matches like these make me so glad to have the reesources you and other content creators make. I would think a massive number of players are teleporting if not for the great explinations provided on FOV techs and such 💚💜 thank you Otz for the explinations over the years!

[@WeaponXwastaken]

I have ~20 games of dbd, this morning i had a game like this on steroids. 4 flashy saves, 2 pallet saves, 1 firecracker, 2 sabo hooks. I ended up getting a 4k with 1 gen left (was playing oni, slugged them with my final power use). I have to say this was by far my most fun game ive played, it felt amazing to get the 4k after it all but honestly it wouldnt have mattered. I know I am an outlier in my temperament and outlook on things, but seriously the amount I learned from that game was more than most of my other games. I feel like it was cool to see that level of coordination and skilled play. I cant speak for other newer players, but felt like id share my experience. weird that that game happened probably within 30min of this video being uploaded.

[@epiceg9464]

I think the main reason don't immediately quit when they play matches like this is because many people paid for dlc characters and have a strange desire to 'get their money worth'

[@Asmef9261]

Sunk cost fallacy

[@highonlife08]

I have so many games I bought on steam sales that I still haven't played so I don't buy any new games anymore

[@evangingerson1271]

When I paid for Freddy. He was always ranked as 3rd strongest killer and he was fun to play 😂

[@LiamENGL]

Was a Hag main and quit around the time circle of healing was introduced. Still keep up with the game through you, but I have no desire to play again, every match was just so stressful and difficult.

[@Vort23]

After Circle of Healing I stopped playing killer almost all together. Healing became way too easy during that. After the boom nerf I still only dip my toes into killer periodically

[@evangingerson1271]

I’m a Hag main lmao and most of my games I either destroy them on 5 gens. Or lose instantly with one hook.

[@jakedeerberg3376]

I think one thing they should add is something similar to the hatch but for the killer. Like i had a game where they took me to Eyrie of Crows with boil over, sabos, flashlights and double hook offerings. Like after the last gen pops and youve only gotten like two hooks all game, a door opens up that only the killer can see and exit through.

[@CocoChloeTV]

your tips about the techs are so helpful here. i’m a new player (300hrs but watching vids since release). who’s been a fan of the game for a while. i’ve been trying to teach my friends to get them to play with me but have a hard time explaining these mechanics so this is perfect

[@heyguysitsbeth]

I'm still relatively new to DBD, but even I have seen so much stuff at this point where its more just disappointing as opposed to angering when certain things happen. Sometimes you just end up in unwinnable scenarios due to your opponent's perks and you just think "well. what do i even learn from this? what could i have even potentially done differently?" and sometimes theres just nothing. I recently played a match where I downed someone, and I see someone far away with a flashlight and I think "oh okay I can't pick up since that person has background player and a flashlight, so I need to deal with them first" but before I could even finish the thought, someone else with FTP+Buckle Up ran in directly infront of me and picked up the survivor. Nomatter what action I took there, I had no way of winning, if I pick up instantly, I get blinded and they get saved, if I hesitate for even a second, someone runs in with FTP+Buckle Up and entirely erases the down. Sometimes I make a bad play and kick myself for it, but hey at least I know for the future, but sometimes there's just nothing you can do at all and theres nothing you can even learn from.

[@BwanaLasPelotas]

The problem is that developers designed this game to help survivors, no matter how many mistakes they do. Things like Resilence+Adrenaline combo to literally reward you for being injured (Increased gen speed completition), Buckle up+For the people to injure yourself in exchange to instantly pick up someone and still being able to tank a hit instead of going down, Background player+Flashlights to hide far away from the killer who doesnt suspect anything and still make it to save someone either by dropping a pallet or with the flashlight, and that's only a few things.

[@darkodom]

My biggest gripe has to be perks that are just get ourt of jail free cards. That goes for both sides, though. But spending a solid minute chasing someone just for 30 different perks from 3 other people to instantly erase all that progress eats away at your soul. Or being able to play extremely stupid and all your mistakes just don't matter because of a saving grace from a perk. It's so infuriating. And like you said there's just no room to learn. You literally can't do anything about it besides lose.

[@blandtastenotsavory]

I completely agree with this! For years, I truly loved watching the gameplay and it's incredible unique aspect in how it's so difficult to have any other game skills translate into this gem. I genuinely love this game, and when it came free on epic, it took me a while but I hit 1k hours. I still feel new and it's fun, but I've seen a lot of my friends from different game genres (FPS players, strategy games, card games, etc) just drop the game for things like this. Minor stuff builds up over time and even my intense feelings for this game burn out often because I feel helpless in some situations. I'm no means the best, and I take solace in that when I fail, but watching creators like you I've seen for years have no counterplay sometimes makes me feel scared to even play the game sometimes. Thank you so much for still being positive for so long, and be able to give criticism when it MUST be given. Much love

[@nickpolatas8433]

I have been playing Killer for years, and I literally never noticed the hooks counter in the corner until Otz referenced it.

[@apertioopening3425]

Nice video! 👍🏻 I agree, there are many things in this game that are frustrating as it feels like there is little to nothing you can do to counter it. I'd say that Background Player in particular is very annoying

[@jinxysaberk]

for me these things are apart of why i quit but for me its because of the mmr changed. i have these things happen almost every game now instead of before when i would get them 1 in every 5-10 games. i can deal with this stuff for a game or two but every game?? nah i just wanna vibe and play my fav horror villain but the games gotten sm worse

[@futuristiczekrom9276]

Exactly! The MMR change completely took away the chances of having a chill and fun game which forces killers (me included) to tunnel a survivor in order to win without sweating.

[@jinxysaberk]

@@futuristiczekrom9276 yeah i play dbd stoned but i have a lot of hours. and yeah with hours comes a lot of experience so i am likely much better than your average player but at the same time im not a camper or tunneller but because i would get so many 4ks all of my games are now always filled with good players with thousands of hours and it just makes me not wanna play anymore. i can still get 3 and 4ks but i have to focus sm which is not what i want from my casual game i wanna be able to switch on a game as chucky and down a few survivors and not worry tm about the game flying by. you can’t be nice as a killer when going against good survs you will just be dominated and that feels really bad. unique builds work less in these games too cuz you’re doomed without slowdown

[@asrieldreemurr1918]

I swear to god back round player as a perk needs reworked again into a brand new perk I hate the fact a survivor can be miles then all of a sudden are to drop the pallet , it’s crazy that survivors defend this perk as well

[@KillNichMich]

It’s very situational. You don’t get that much value out of it. Sprint burst is a lot stronger

[@walkinducks]

They just need to decrease the haste you have and how long you have it for

[@schmoferino]

Lowering the haste alone should be enough.

[@KillNichMich]

@@walkinducks Not even that. That perk is just a meme perk. Even if I play killer there is practically getting value from this perk

[@asrieldreemurr1918]

@@KillNichMich your calling a free save a meme perk what are you on about, a meme perk is plot twist or dramaturgy

[@xWanheda_Autumn]

What's frustrating for me, and almost everyone I know is the simple fact that 80% of matches is the killer camping, tunneling, or slugging at 5 gens. Along with the same hackers popping up every couple days.

[@poneydance8704]

I agree 100% I have 650h and play both side, but mainly killer (60% vs 40%) and I quitted the game a few month back after a game really similar to this. That game plus a lot of accumulation of small things like survivors sweatting and the fact that I was going againts survivor with 4k+ hours that knew the game way better than me, came to the fact that I wasn't enjoying the game anymore... and I know a lot of my friends stopped playing for the same reasons as well.

[@ForzaTerra89]

I played dbd for years and quit late last year. I can’t bring myself to play it anymore The people. Just got to the point where I was fed up of my teammates DC’ing and killing themselves on hook (I still have no idea why that mechanic to kill yourself on the hook even exists). I don’t care about getting camped, slugged or tunnelled. It happened but my teammates leaving me to die, or giving up at first down (the bots suck). That stuff was just so much worse Killer I stopped entirely about a year before. Just too many bully squads and survivors being douchebags again

[@014kole]

solo q survivor is just as terrible as killer the only people who arent dealing with this stuff is swf

[@OpexRL]

Same here, I can't play survivor because some babies on my team cant deal with any sort of inconvenience and just unalive themselves on first hook or dc. Same thing happens on killer, I play nurse (my main since 2018) and its just dc every game, I play a mid tier killer -> dc too. I play trapper? 3 mins of gameplay until the gens pop.

[@JohnsNumber1AdoringFan]

Those are great players and you're a goat killer. As frustrating as it can be to deal with the perks that stack and bugs that have not been fixed I still really love to play the game. When I get frustrated I switch sides and take them both with a breath of fresh air, or reach out to get a SWF going and some communication going so I can break up the frustration and have some more fun. I also switch between games like Destiny 2 so I can PVE and other solo games. I think a lot of the frustration comes from players doing their hardest to win but can you blame them? I run those funny weird builds because I've been playing for so long and that keeps it fun for me. Just my experience, thanks for sharing more insight for us and hopefully soon the balance will be fixed.

[@ThePhantomSafetyPin]

This is the way. I'm on a break right now because of how nasty and sweaty Blood Moon was; I usually only play a few times a week each month. It's really rough out there and you can burn out very fast if you play too much.

[@melowmelow99]

Otz legit puts and describes content warnings for annoying DBD matches, this game really is something else

[@Inaluogh]

Because it's the only game where you can't communicate properly during the match but you can still cyber bully (with no exaggeration) someone and gang up on them post match on chat to even take it further. This game became a bully simulator long ago and only killers that are still playing killer are the ones that remember some older more fun times the game offered and are trying to still get that feeling. No sane person would ever main killer if they never did before at this point.

[@kimberlyterasaki4843]

The wild part is that despite both of the escaping survivors being on death hook, they will see this as a win for them, rather than them barely surviving by the skin of their teeth.

[@shivanshsinha448]

"I like coffee, because a great man once said, if you judge the ability of a fish to make coffee, it will spend its whole life in coffee, because coffee coffee, coffee coffee coffee." -Coffee coffee

[@kelvincha5492]

In the name of the Tea pope, you shall be vanquished

[@DontReadMyPicture93]

*Don’t read my name………😮*

[@Fiufsciak]

Coffee, coffee, coffee, coffee, coffeeeeeeeee

[@roberteli5235]

Bro wtf 😂

[@urgae9125]

Is this from that giant coffee bean episode where he lactates coffee into Mordecai and Rigby’s mouths?

[@futuristiczekrom9276]

I still think the MMR system makes more people quit than some bugs and busted perks but BHVR won't fix or balance them either of these factors anytime soon unfortunately since they don't see either of them as an issue.

[@Helenaaaa26]

Yes this MMR is behind a lot of issuies in today's game

[@aroace7913]

@@Helenaaaa26 Ok how ? How is matching people of the same level so bad ? I don´t see matches that are unwinnable for new killers or 5 gens all dead for survivers as fun.

[@ThePhantomSafetyPin]

I can deal with bugs. I can deal with bullies. I friggin' hate how MMR makes every game feel like I'm fighting for my life just because we're even. I would rather wait 5 minutes to get maybe a swingier random round than always play AT my skill level where I HAVE to play my best just to tie. That doesn't FEEL good. It also doesn't feel good if you destroy babies or get destroyed by a super strong team. There needs to be a bell curve for everyone but no matter what they do it feels bad because everyone is comp now.

[@randalloses2748]

​@@aroace7913i have always wondered the same, like if the objective is to sweat for the win the mmr will put you in lobbies of people that also sweat for the win (when it works properly) so its fair isnt it? I am aware that stomping worse players its fun but i garantee that those new players aint having fun. And if you would rather not have to sweat the just....dont....like if you like to play casual or meme build or whatever then play like that, loose a bunch of games and lower the mmr to the point that the meme build or casual playstyle is viable, just dont abuse the easier matches cuz the you are gonna be put in the blender again haha To me personally unless you plan on playing sweaty there is almost no point in rasing the mmr, since its invisible and it doesnt provide rewards or anything

[@futuristiczekrom9276]

@@aroace7913 It makes the games more stressful as you keep winning which takes most of the fun out of the game and people aren't going to play a game that isn't fun. The random matchmaking would be better because then there's actually variety in terms of skill in the lobbies you play in and you can have some easy matches where there's no need to sweat.

[@joaovale3123]

One of the most frustrating personally is that, since I play in console and only solo queue due to the fact that most of my friends are not into the genre, I just wish they’d implement some sort of quick chat with some quick reply options like “I’m on my way”, “Killer MIA”, “On me!” Etc, or at the very least a ping system. I swear to you that this would turn bearable what’s otherwise a long, grinding learning curve that I had to go through when I first started playing in my PS4 1 year ago.

[@jackparis2142]

shout out for staying so calm, i would have been miserable and stopped playing for the day, flashbangs and off the record are such anti-fun mechanics and is why i only play during events nowadays

[@megashock1319]

Don't tunnel, if they wait thr whole time trying to use otr that's 80 seconds not on a gen.

[@jackparis2142]

@@megashock1319 people body block for the unhooker cuz they know they have endurance and thats the part that annoys me. sometimes i wonder if just going full slug is the play, usually i try to get all the hooks i can for trying to get max pips

[@BwanaLasPelotas]

@@megashock1319 you're right...Dont tunnel the person using that 80 seconds of immunity while other 2 people rush gens while you chase another...It doesnt matter you hook another people, the OTR user had plenty of time to get healed and initiate another chase while still having a 3rd health state, and if the 2nd person also has OTR, it's the same again...Just hook 12 people, its that easy! Yeah survivors had enough time to finish at least 8 generators by the time you get your 12th hook, but at least you arent tunneling!

[@duckfromegypt8237]

I think they should add killers with more hat variety

[@marcusbourchier2245]

I hate background player so much. Not only is it as good as uncounterable against mid to decent survivors, it also looks absolutely surreal and breaks immersion. Seeing that Kate in action at 2:04 is bonkers and shouldn't be a thing. If something feels ridiculous and looks ridiculous, it probably IS ridiculous.

[@harrycallahan9143]

Exactly what I'm talking about, 2:05 meant to be injured too mind and look at that speed! ridiculous, happened twice in one game for me with For the People perk, sprinted up, healed them off the floor and both ran off while I'm still finishing my hit animation what downed them, absolutely nothing I could do, joke of a game.

[@Shadow-hm3uq]

Except background player activates when someone gets picked up, not earlier, so they cant have used that to steal a pickup. You must have confused something.

[@Westbrook__]

@@Shadow-hm3uq ???? background player starts as soon as the pick up animation starts to happen. you can also literally see in the end game screen.... background player was the only speed perk the kate had.

[@ShamerGamerJM]

@@Shadow-hm3uq i mean sure it only activates when you pick someone up, but if the survivors are coordinated at all and go down under a pallet or out in the open, it is essentially not possible to pick someone up a lot of the time if someone is even somewhat close to you. Add all the other stuff that the survivors had in this game, it would make a lot of people with less hours, including me, to want to uninstall the game.

[@gianglai7346]

Ngl when I see background players, I slug and camp the slug if their bleedout timer is low enough.

[@feyrethsolair7127]

Sadly, seeing games like this is what keeps me from coming back. Background Player especially would likely drive me insane as often it looks like there's little you can do to avoid it, even if you think no one is around and it's safe to pick up, bam someone's sprinting at 200% to flashbang you. I still love and enjoy your content, so always keeping up with things. Love ya Otz

[@Vulgar_Worlock]

I have a little under 400 hours and your videos and streams (as well as those of folks like Hens and Ayrun) have helped me a metric ton in being prepared to deal with survivors that run these kinds of builds and know how to run strong tiles, as well as be in a more healthy head space on how to react to these kinds of matches. Just wanna say thanks for all you do to teach and advocate for new players.

[@harrylarry6324]

As a new player in dbd console version, it sucks that the literal 5th match in the game as killer, I was getting bullied to heck by a prestige 50 Dwight and prestige 20 Ana, like I really can’t fathom why the matching system is absolutely one sided in this game, it’s horrible. They seriously need to make it character level based matching as well as win/loss reportless history (when one or the other player of a faction has not been reported for being afk to lower mmr) to avoid unfair matches and team ups of the opposing faction and the fact they haven’t is going to be the serious dip that DBD will most likely experience with their newly acquired player bases.

[@captainsargas1606]

yeah the matchmaking has gotten considerably worse especially if you are a returning player, but don't worry, you'll improve and beat them surely enough

[@HigherDarkness]

If you ignore those people the game can be quite fun to learn if you have the time.

[@luciferriding2762]

It seems to me like New players want to play killer so there are not enough new survivors to match them. At the same time there are not enough killers to go round in mid mmr so if you have 4Ked the first 4 baby matches its no surprise that your mmr has gone up enough to get matched with Older, but not neccessarily Better players!

[@Zakon673]

It's because the DBD community whined and cried about the MMR until they loosened the range it pulls from to allow for more match variance. And even now people still want them to abolish MMR so that they can bully babies all day long. Everyone hates MMR because they always wanna be the hammer, never give any consideration towards how the nail feels.

[@PuellaMagiHomuraAkemi]

There is no matching system lmao, who makes you believe that? I got 400 HRS in DBD and I face survivors with 1200+ hours lol 2 WEEKS after playing the game I found lobbies with 3 prestige 100 and 66 people lol, I know prestige has nothing to do with MMR but still. Cant tell me those guys didn't had a thousand hours.

[@vev1672]

I quit because of the rude shitty costumer service who told to me to just leave because of the damn rtm error of their own game

[@goole6833]

‘Just go play Civ or smth bro’

[@Gadtkaz]

@@goole6833 don't forget hockey!

[@Hyrule409]

@@goole6833 Great advice. Terrible marketing.

[@puch2728]

Such shitty customer service. Their game is broken and everyone is malding.

[@Purrfect_Werecat]

idk maybe thats good customer service because it saved you from suffering games like this :'D

[@e2b265]

The amount of effort Otz puts just into recreating these moments for the sake of demonstration is insane. Even his hours under 10 hours have 10 hours of work put in.

[@frostcrackle2374]

Happy belated birthday man! I'm not really a fan of twitch, so I only found out by a random message in your chat from this video lol. Love your videos and personality

[@MI-vb6xc]

Me with 300hours only : Past 2am I keep lightborn equipped no matter what, I don't take the risk

[@mr.youtube4723]

The Korean gamers do come out at night

[@Praneeth_-]

Don't run lightborn. Run Knockout instead and the slug the ones with flashlights.

[@cake2531]

@@Praneeth_- they're comming everything else, you think they'd stop at "i'm slugged at 4 almost fully recovered"

[@nicane-9966]

@@Praneeth_- people play SWF knock out is useless agaisnt them because they call their positions

[@Praneeth_-]

@@nicane-9966 won't matter you camp the one bleeding out. Toxic SWFs never touch gens so there's no pressure

[@FluffyLegoshi]

i have 727 hours, I've played on and off again through the years, i started playing with pig because she seemed really fun to me and i recently watched saw at the time (I first started playing when trickster was introduced). The first matches i had were super fun. slowly but surely the fun ran out from that because of her strength and my obvious lack of skill. Meta killers just weren't fun to me and the killers i did like i struggled to do well against survivors which i honestly felt were just always better than me. Didn't help that people would rub salt in the wound when i played terribly. So i started playing survivor more, I didn't play it much when i started but i ended up only playing them after been burnt out from playing killer. Playing as a survivor in solo queue had it's own issues and slowly playing as a survivor that didn't wanna just go for chases and flashie saves made the game just feel boring. The only times i play is to play 2-3 matches every couple months or when a friend wants to play it. Alot of interactions with the community in-game has ruined alot of the fun for me and how outdated the game feels with only changes that feel very small just doesn't feel like the game is improving. My enjoyment at this point is only really watching people play the game and most of the time it's otz. I keep checking in on the game and wanting to see how it changes but whenever i get the motivation to play the game, i just can't bring myself to queue up for a match. I miss the fun times with this game

[@foreverexplorer8283]

yeah I feel you, I only comeback to the game like once a week to check on shrine of secrets for some perks only. then I just quit the game and play other games I don't stick around finding matches

[@FluffyLegoshi]

@@foreverexplorer8283 I don’t even check on the game for shrines either. The main reason i boot up the game lately is just to put a bloodpoint code in

[@cybersloth2467]

I find it hard to believe that they haven't fixed the Glenvale map yet. People can blind you through walls on the main building. Bully squads still use offerings to send you there. They jump into lockers and the moment you pick them up, someone is using a flashlight to blind you through the freaking wall.

[@SuperHouseofcards]

Yeah, matches like that are real rough. It is frustrating that for all of the changes, even the ones I agree with, that they've made to try and make the survivor experience better like removing hook grabs, the new UI, the face camping meter, the multiple reworks to spawn logic trying to fix 3 gens and then adding the regression cap on top of that, they haven't done a lot to try and address the frustration that killer players sometimes face in matches like this one.

[@nzw8553]

As I am currently a new player to DBD with not even 100 hours, it is frustrating when the survivors or killers do certain mechanic which genuinely makes it hard for beginners. As I have discovered the game is not beginner friendly, I have already contemplated quiting the game after difficult killer games due to losing to perks which I don't even know what they do. The match making is also scuffed as I get paired against sweaty 4 man parties, obviously for new people like me, you have no idea what is going on.

[@Nyxlight3]

Just be patient man average dbd player had years playing this game you can't be expecting play a month and beat a dude that has 2 years playing, I would suggest you take a moment on end game to read about those perks you don't know, I lose a lot on early days and a p100 would scare the heck out of me, but nowadays im the p100 scaring people.

[@Doncroft1]

If you stick with it, eventually you'll become even more powerful than they are. It takes a LOT of patience, and you have to enjoy the steps of the journey.

[@worromot]

I have like 200hrs in the game and I can pretty consistently get 4k. My best advice is to use their boldness against them. Make them waste their time when they try to bait you into doing stuff while you knockout the more objective oriented survivors.

[@basselalharbi7249]

Quit crying my guy it's happen in every game u get beating until u learn the game and trick

[@nzw8553]

@@basselalharbi7249 I ain't crying it just gets to the point where U just stare at the screen thinking about why you are playing the game

[@JackD0ff]

Otz, why do you sometimes not break the pallet like at 10:36 when going for a pick-up and go around the loop instead, when breaking it would take same amount or less time than going around the loop? Not to mention the pallet stays there for future chases and serves the survivors as Lithe trigger.

[@Reactivecat.]

I would say for this particular game it was important to be on top of the survivors as breaking the pallet animation can make it easy to lose survivors. Plus with Otz having coupe de grace he can easily go for wider swings which helps catch up round a pallet. He also saw all the exhaustion perks used e.g. Sprint Burst at the start, multiple background players and dead hard so knew Lithe wasnt most likely going to come into play. Of course its situational and some survivors may have lithe and could use the pallet again the killer, but in this case it makes sense to me :)

[@Reactivecat.]

also in some cases pallets can stop someone from behind/in front with background player and flashbang Ive seen a few times

[@gigis09]

Just watched this video and I hard agree. I have 1.3k hours and it just feels frustrating mainly because my matches feel so skewed. Half of my games are p100 survivors who have way more time in the game with the best perks and addons and it feels like if I don't tunnel or have op perks, then I can't do anything and just get bullied. The rest of the time it feels as if I'm going against newer players and it feels awful to just stomp them. I love dbd and I have for the past 3 years, but the game has recently not felt as fun. Thank you for making this video otz

[@nytecrow6452]

Otz you hit the nail on the head from 2 states away...I quit the game like a year or 2 ago right after Knight came out...I just cant find any fun in the game unless its a fully Custom Lobby of friends on both sides. Either I play a game of Survivor with or without friends and get a BS Killer while I'm using fun perks...Or I play Killer and end up with a Match like this. Even in the times when I get a good match as Killer where I have to fight to get my Kills and there is no real bull on either side, it gets overshadowed when the very next game is a sweatfest. I miss the days when you could moonwalk, bob your head, had random killers smack a gen telling you to do it, or could drop an item for a headstart.

[@yunsha9986]

5:00 The "Fov tech" is most commonly known as Z-shake in most games, where you keep out of the sight of your enemy by going in blindspot angles.

[@Shiokishisan]

Ngl I’ve never heard about a Z-shake. Thought I’m familiar with basic gaming terms 😂

[@iiTzSunrise]

​@@Shiokishisanbecause it's never called Z tech in most games.

[@piromann811]

Frends Otz,this is hello.

[@Pie123FTW]

Started my killer journey (I’ve been a lil Jake main for a long long time, still am) after grinding them out for teachables in the blood moon, and I’m a big Bubba fan, I went into it with a “meme” fun build that I use constantly, and as “practice” for my saws. Using the Iri addon for charges after a hit and then the brown meme add on for 2 hit saws. It’s so much more satisfying to me and fun when I hit those double saws and 6 charge lunges. It’s also made learning Bubba super fun, even against bully squads, and I ended up just running iron grasp agitation mad grit lethal. The perks alone have caused some SWF’s to totally choke their dominant win bc they don’t realize I’m ready to chase with a boi on my shoulder. This alone has always ensured I’ve come out with more Bloodpoints than any individual survivor, and that’s always a plus to me. It’s also led to me being hit with a team like this and immediately swapping to a serious build with time reduction add-on and a regression+bamboozle just to make sure I’m capable of playing “for the win” but ultimately is never as fun, though I do usually get a 4K the following match 😇

[@keezer5]

Im finally getting good enough at killer that im running into these types of survivors. Im getting squad swatted by survivors and fighting for my life for each game. It is incredibly frustrating hitting the same dude 3 or 4 times to get them down, only for 3 a-holes with flashlights to jump me. I dont like slugging or tunneling, but it feels like im getting to where i can not have success if i dont. Can't play fun builds, cant play without sweating every game, cant play without forcing players out of the game, which sucks.

[@grifhalo8118]

I love this game, been playing it since early 2018. In my time I've seen such a change in this game, from the realm reborn to every release. I even followed the game since before 2018 through people like you and other streamers and youtubers. To see one of my favorite games become more and more beginner unfriendly I worry for the health of the game, especially with the developers ignoring their own designated community heads (the fog whisperers). It just kinda leaves me wondering how this game will survive if issues aren't addressed. I often get so frustrated with so many issues and difficulties, but seeing your optimism and ability to accept these flaws keeps me in the spirit to see this game grows. Thank you for your view and kindness in this game Otz, truly.

[@idkfa1000000]

i personally quit because i dont think the Devs want to do the best they can. they take years to fix simple issues and even longer for more complex ones. its not worth waiting for. just to put into perspective. it toke them more then 5 years to fix keys and Mories. it toke them almost as long for DS and we still have countless bugs like knight getting stunned while in spirit form (been there since hes release) or Detection of both sides with a killer like Ghostface, the fact we have killers like Freddy and Myers with such dogshit addons from a bygone era is criminal.

[@astupidlylongnamethatstoolong]

And it took god knows how long for them to remove old instant blind flashlights.

[@Ritsu362]

It’s cuz it’s really tiring for devs to change a few numbers with push of a button lmao

[@mynameisconnorimtheandroid6080]

They didn't even fix keys they just made them worthless

[@kuppa391]

@@mynameisconnorimtheandroid6080 Actually opening the hatch won't happen too much but are you forgetting about the aura reading on demand? Definitely not useless.

[@BwanaLasPelotas]

Devs only care for money...Devs keep this game survivor sided for years, and survivors are the people who buy new skins, buy paidcharacters, purchase battlepasses, survivor needs 4 people to play, it doesnt matter if another killer player quits the game, there's still 4x people potentially switching to play as killer and keeping this game alive.

[@iKarmie]

seeing this match reminded me of a game I had a couple days ago. I'm a billy main, p44, but have been playing him since I started playing in 2019, and I came across a squad with bgp, flashbang, flashlights, head on, dead hard, everything. as a billy main, I'm used to running 3 perks as my 4th was shadowborn back then, so I run lightborn nowadays. not only did it make any and all flashlight/flash bang attempts null, but they couldn't keep up any pressure as I was pressuring them better. I've VERY consistent on 4k'ing survivors and they were no different. once I had two of them dead, the other two started playing defensive rather than aggressive. sure, they got a few pallet saves, but they weren't strong enough to "bully" me and win the game. my build consists of aura perks, agi, and lightborn. I don't need gen perks or any second chances as I know how to play the killers I play.

[@awkawkawkx]

14:50 oh yeah, and object+blood pact on midwich/gideon, infinite speedboost and auras. Merciless storm. Yellow car on farm thingy (forgot the name) when players used farm map offerings pretty much every single game. Flashlight-window and pallet incident with fake vaulting sounds etc etc etc

[@dbdstuffuncut]

Freddy needs some buffs. Bhvr: we tried that and forgot.

[@FungiGamer]

The most amazing thing in this match is it didn’t end with the survivors being toxic winners and slinging slurs in end game chat

[@NikkiLotte]

I have this Huntress game in the back of my mind every time I remember a frustrating game. I saw 3 flashlights in the lobby but I didn't want to switch to Lightborn and I regretted it later on. For every down I got, and despite looking to a wall, these survivors were so good at getting an insane angle to get the rescue. I wasn't even mad at them, they played very well. But that doesn't take away the frustration of not being able to hook anybody despite having multiple downs and avoiding the flashlights by looking at trees or walls.

[@perf1de37]

when I’m in a broken game competition and my opponent is dbd

[@atrozzorta9602]

I don't see any issues here. Based on everything I've read on Reddit this is exactly how the game is supposed to be played. The survivors are using their perks to survive and are having fun while doing so. It doesn't matter if you, the killer, have fun or not, nobody cares about that. As long as you don't slug/tunnel/camp and let them use their perks and have fun you did your job! Watching this game is just another reason to laugh at BHVR's ability to "balance" this game.

[@renjiaow3742]

You had me in the first half there.

[@veladanjbakht140]

Bro i turned on my caps lock for a entire book of slurs … 😂

[@somekinnn]

Reddit is the place where I see the exact opposite type of opinion gugh.

[@froge7986]

killers love preaching “your fun isn’t my responsibility” until they aint having fun😂

[@Fiufsciak]

​@@froge7986You mean until they are? Which is never?

[@floomfwastaken]

this match definitely would’ve given me a sour opinion of dbd for a very long time had i been on the receiving end of such chicanery, well done just letting a game be a game Otz. i hope to see you on dagobah so you can teach me your ways someday :P

[@passadelirious4947]

Freddy laughter as the final act of the video is almost poetry: a nightmare.

[@bigidiot5881]

Can confirm, stuff like this is why I'm never able to stick with DBD as a game. I really like the asymmetrical format, but playing killer is just intensely frustrating when every mistake you make can cost you the game, but every mistake the survivors make gets a second, third, or fourth chance to save it. That would be tilting enough in a 1v1 game - in a 1v4 game like DBD it's just frankly unplayable.

[@NeZCheese]

I haven't played DBD in months but I played a single match of Killer yesterday. I'm a Hag / Skullmerchant main, so I picked Skully. Map was Dead Dawg Saloon. The team I went up against was 4 Neas with the same skin (all around p30-50), some flashlights and a ton of meta perks like sprint burst, background player, dead hard, off the record, etc. So after getting like 3 hooks during the first 4 gens because of multiple saves, I felt I had to resort to slugging because the chance of actually getting to pickup after a down was minimal. Even then they had Unbreakable too and almost came back multiple times, even while 3 were on the ground. But finally, after downing them again and again and what felt like an eternity, I managed to down the 4th. Then I just destroyed doors and kicked pallets because I didn't want to pick any of them up. Three of them died to bleed out, the 4th one I hooked. At the result screen I didn't look at the endgame chat at all but instead just quit the game. This one single game but me in a bad mood. This is why people quit DBD. It's EXTREMELY unfriendly to beginners and returning players. As someone who has not played in months, I should NOT be matched up against a 4 swf.

[@BwanaLasPelotas]

It's not that its unfriendly to beginners and returning players...It's that winning as killer barely gives you satisfaction, you either play games where you faced insuferable players who tried to bully you or you stomp weak survivors, and as killer just one tiny mistake or commiting 10 extra seconds to a player can very likely cost you the whole game

[@theGhostfaceKiller666]

Otz, you are genuinely my favorite youtuber. I played DBD competitively for years and it was pretty much the only game I played but lately it just got so infuriating to play killer that I just stopped. I still love the game, I do DBD cosplays at horror cons and stay UTD with the meta thanks to you, but I dont think I would play it again. Still one of my all time favorite games as a love letter to all my favorite films and my favorite genre. Keep up the great content my dude.

[@reevenl]

The background speed perk is absolutely ridiculous I must agree. I just got back into DBD and I think I went up against 4 flashies all with Background player in their build. I didn't know what the perk was at that time yet but I think I made it into the guiness book of world records with the amount of times I got blinded in that game. They just always make it to the pickup.. Also, since the flashlight saves are easier now than it used to, it also just never really fails.

[@Opelteanit]

Sorry Otz, the rescue at 9:05 was a mistake on your part.

[@domurcringe]

900 hours relative to 13000 hours is new. Thats why the word relatively was included. It does not mean that having 900 hours makes you a new player. Just that having 900 hours make you a relaitvely new player if compared to otz. Hope this helps!!

[@AkumosBDF]

I know this will probably be a hot take but I actually think unlike a lot of other games there is a pretty diminished return on reaching 10k hours in dbd compared to something like sc2 or league. By like 1k hours if you are really good at games in general or have comp exp in other games, you're probably performing at mostly the highest levels besides some niche knowledge. That niche knowledge might be the diff in comp games but in pubs it would be very hard to distinguish.

[@nicane-9966]

900hs is new in tgeneral and tahts because this game has a ridiculous amount of content.

[@galacticeyelord]

I try to play this game but get frustrated because of things like this. I enjoy watching your vids though so thanks!

[@lapisinfernalis9052]

This is one of the matches where I would be glad to play Wesker. His inbuilt immunity during a smash-pickup is god-tier in this scenario.

[@fed3758]

My main issue with killer in all honesty is maps I always find maps with loops you can look over the worse, especially. Doesnt help that most of them make you stuck to them for some reason

[@Ritsu362]

Survivors when killers have a perk that shows their location in a limited area when they open a locker: 😡😡😡 Survivors when there’s bugs and perks that give them 6 extra hook stages and hits: 🤭

[@Crusty_Meatball]

The sad fact is that I do NOT have 900 hours to put into DBD and still be considered about average. I liked the game but there's so much info to learn it feels like a MOBA game with all the perks, techs, loop, etc. I want to have fun in the game casually but more often than not the average DBD player doesn't have this mindset. This on top of all the crazy bugs that come with the game, all in all, I still enjoy watching Otz play this but I don't think I'll ever subject myself to ever play this game any time soon.

[@TheseOldCards]

No otz video in almost a week is crazy

[@jackmatutum7747]

If they wont change Background Player speed and duration, they should atleast make it trigger whether or not the survivor is running.

[@uda_tg]

That's why I say DBD is not for everyone. When I see people raging on endgame chats I just feel sorry for them to be so stressed because of a game match. They should be doing something else with their time if that's how they will feel everytime they don't have a perfect match on the game.

[@Rebazar]

It's not about having a perfect match, it's about the world series of bullshit you have to go through in the course of a "normal" game

[@BwanaLasPelotas]

It's not "a perfect match", like @Rebazar said, it's the amount of things you have to go through to win. Of course since you only play as survivor you think is not that bad, but try to start playing as killer to see it for yourself, since I assume you watched this Otz video and you think trying to win is "raging because you dont have a perfect match"