Marc Lamont Hill Interviews Key Opponent of Critical Race Theory

Marc Lamont Hill sits down with Christopher F. Rufo, a contributing editor for City Journal and a senior fellow of the Manhattan Institute, for an extended conversation on why he’s a prominent opponent of Critical Race Theory being taught in schools.
Rufo says Critical Race Theory is “state-sanctioned racism.”
“Teaching history, teaching context, teaching competing viewpoints is good. But what is not good is taking an ideology like Critical Race Theory, turning it into official dogma and then compelling students to believe in ideas like race essentialism, racial superiority theory,” Rufo says.
Hill pushes back on Rufo’s claim that is what CRT teaches.
“Critical race theorists hold that the law and legal institutions in the United States are inherently racist insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites, especially African Americans,” per Brittanica.
To watch BNC programming, visit bnc.tv/how-to-...
Follow BNC on social media:
Facebook: / bncnews
Twitter: / bncnews
Instagram: www.instagram....
#BNC #CriticalRaceTheory #MarcLamontHill

[@jeffkoons9660]

Since when do people feel the need to ''validate'' their skin color by saying something positive about it?

[@MST3Killa]

I've literally never, ever heard anyone say anything like this to anyone of any skin color until now. "Name something good about being YOUR color!" The question itself is inherently racist and drips with condescension.

[@asunduko1]

@@MST3Killa If I were Rufo, I would respond by asking Marc Lamont Hill to name one negative thing about blackness - an inherent attribute of blackness - which non-black people are allowed to discuss in any setting, government, non-profit, academia, etc. without being accused of racism ? Blackness through CRT becomes beyond criticism, like God. CRT is a religious shield and naked power play. Which makes sense in the context of practitioners of CRT speaking of blackness in superhuman, even divine terms.

[@MST3Killa]

@@asunduko1 It's an attempt to create a caste system that carves a racial exception to everything (logic and reason included). Take a gander at what some of the old racist Dixie Democrats used to preach and you might be surprised how similar it is to this.

[@tanyathorvilson]

@@asunduko1 very good point.

[@Dallas2664]

Critical Race Theory is simply racism at its core.

[@lucymolockian1849]

You tried to bait him at the end... he didn't fall for your bs question.

[@sherriebyese8597]

No bait and switch. Facts.

[@sherriebyese8597]

@J Win Learn the meaning of racist before you use it.

[@MST3Killa]

@J Win You're a racist?

[@realityobservationalist7290]

@@sherriebyese8597 , which meaning? The meaning we've used for hundreds of years, or whatever BS ever-changing meaning the left uses to define it? This host (Marc) is using real racism to address non-existent racism ("systemic racism" or "institutional racism"). This is the strategy of those that wish to demoralize, destabilize, and conquer. These are the tactics of critical theory, CRT, or marxism. These are the tactics of the insane left. People like you that buy into it become nothing more than tools, useful idiots..

[@dw7312]

Facts are facts uncomfortable much

[@Thomas-kj1fk]

Privilege: Being able to talk about your genetics without being called a racist.

[@tripodurra]

REALLY? That's a privilege? news to me...

[@CocoXLarge]

@@tripodurra Lol we used to have that privilege, it got revoked by racists like OP who pretend to be the victim. Every dictatorship started by useful idiots like him being convinced his group is victimized. No self-awareness.

[@kevinneedham9643]

BINGO

[@eddiefriendly9159]

@Red Black I am ignorant to your peoples history when it comes to the British and I have a question. I want to know how the British are viewed by your fellow Irish? Are they ok and over the destruction of your people or are the British viewed in a lesser than positive light for what they did?

[@THEMONITOR72]

@Red Black it’s clear you hear what you want to hear and ignore what’s really said.

[@Themaddprof]

This is very good. These two are coming from opposite sides with sense, reason, and mutual respect. We need more of that these days.

[@jrasicmark1]

Yes, but the gentleman on the right does not appear to be listening. Marc's comments at the end are spot-on. These things exist as much as me might not want them to, and ignoring them, or pretending they don't exist and don't happen will not resolve the problem of racism.

[@philipclock]

"Sense and reason"?? Phooey! Nothing but ideology from Hill.

[@jrasicmark1]

@@philipclock Explain why if you can. Seems it's the guy on the right who refuses to explain his position and is only spooning out ideology.

[@derrikoates2318]

Trust me there was no mutual respect. He was being a gracious host.

[@seanwyatt2052]

Rufo did not answer questions. He kept pointing to strawman examples, such as the "Asian academic". The question was about suspensions and punishment levels, not a premise that Blacks don't achieve academic prowess as a demographic. The intrinsic assumption of Rufo is that he does not have to invest in learning what Lamont is saying because he can share an example that supports his position. Mind you, Rufo is a young man of a certain age and likely of a level of privilege where he does not have the lived experience of living in a lower class environment where the intersection of poverty and race connects people and illuminates the reality of a lack of privilege and the subsequent disparities. I grew up in the 70's. By the time we got to the 90's, people really started forgetting what "struggling" is. Hyper-individualism became popular allowing people to ignore the hardships of others.

[@cjzanders5430]

Marc Lamont: what do you like about being white? White guy: Well I Marc Lamont Hill: Ahhaaa! You like being white. That’s racist. I got cha!

[@visioinspiron9380]

😂😂😂. You got that right

[@rmraiders24]

Bahahahaha right on

[@Joerjose82]

Na

[@Dan-ry8xg]

@@Joerjose82 the first step is denial 👍

[@aaronjohnston1584]

It's perfectly acceptable to be a "Proud Black Man/Woman." And perfectly racist to substitute "White" for "black."

[@philodonoghue3062]

The host just doesn’t see he’s a victim of Critical Race Theory himself. Lol

[@mavssami41]

@UC3N6NpLuUZexUKle1hDAgAA bc he continues to push victimhood thinking...that black ppl are being held back as he is making it as a....black mqn

[@CodyCha]

Marc has more white privilege than 90% of whites

[@cminor3016]

that might change; sometimes people get tired of whay they know are lies

[@skylar4775]

Oh he perfectly knows. But if he acknowledges he loses out on the money. This man is evil. He’s a grifter, just like that DiAngelo woman and the guy Kendi.

[@Successful504]

@@mavssami41 Nevertheless, despite his social standing & accomplishments, MLH can still be murdered by so-called "law enforcement", on any given day, because of his skin color.

[@boomguitarjared]

When Marc asked the question: "What is something positive about being white?" Then proceeded to talk about all these positive things he would attribute to being black, he does not seem to realize that he is attributing cultural characteristics to skin color. As in, culture defined by race. I'm this color of skin, thus this is my culture. I believe this idea of "black culture" - "white culture" is a racially decisive ideaology. People are individuals ahnd skin color should not be how we categorize people's cultural traits.

[@nirbija]

"people are individuals", yes! However, people ARE ALSO NATURALLY of groups/race! No individual is self-conceiving, is self-birthing. And for sure no "individual" brings himself to a state of self-sufficient adult by himself. This ignorant and nonsensical overrating of 'individualism' is just that, ignorance and nonsense! Anyway, you can blame the ignorance and ill-will of europeans for the introduction of racism on the planet; because if we go back a few short millennia ago, racism did not seem to be an issue whenever the races interact. There was no talk of 'racial superiority' until the ignorance and deep-seated ill-will of european began to dominate on the planet..

[@whirlyfilms8357]

@@nirbija how do you address historical slavery then? There must have always been a justification for defining others as sub human. I agree with you to a certain extent but find it hard to believe that this idea started with one specific group of people.

[@MPR2]

@@nirbija Amen!!! And this is EXACTLY why we need CRT taught in school!

[@MPR2]

@@whirlyfilms8357 Your confusion is a perfect example of why we NEED CRT taught in schools!

[@anabelrodriguez5418]

@@nirbija when people says “people are individuals”, they mean that people should be JUDGED individually, independent of what physical features belong to what groups one can define. You’ve defined the phrase as if the phrase is suggesting people live in a vacuum, which is obviously not true. You’ve created a straw man. And we can agree to your origin story of the word racism. But the concept of alienating others that look different from you or behave differently than you (ie are of different cultures), that is a human trait. We’ve all been fighting with each based on some arbitrary choice of what defines us as a group where others don’t fit in. All humans have done this. Saying only whites have done this is, well racist.

[@timbaland916]

From K-12-Bachelors Degree, I learned more about the Holocaust than the history of my own people. I had to discover events such as Emmitt Till, Red Summer, Tuskegee experiments, historic red lining, the story of lake lanier, and the burning of Tulsa Oklahoma on my own.

[@DeRocco21]

i didnt know about the oppression of italians in lousiana and how they were not considered white until after ww2, and are basically lambasted for that now, can't win when current crt adherents are the new kkk

[@Elliethehooper]

Ethnicity is not identity. Identity is character. Character is more important than melanin and so called opportunistic privilege.

[@tchindkatane712]

Meaning you don't know even how to define an identity. It's easy to write here😄.

[@jonathanvigil1273]

Your right, but thats not exactly how it works for African Americans. Just think about it. Dr. King was saying the same thing your saying....right? It doesnt change the reality for blacks though. This country/ government has never taken full responsibility for its inhumane activity. So white citizens find it difficult to even reflect on the actual history without sugar coating it.?

[@Tilearian]

@@jonathanvigil1273 You oppose the white people, why not oppose the rich that put you there? Classism would be much more acceptable than being racist. People think they are punching up but keep punching sideways when everyone is standing in the same shit pile.

[@jonathanvigil1273]

@@Tilearian I never said I oppose " white people" Not at all. What I think is funny and sad at the same time is that we have been saying because of Americas racist past and formation, non whites have faced much discrimination and violence but now because many non white groups are agreeing on a solution through education as a way to understand their oppression somehow the tables are flipped and we are now abusing whites and now you are the victims?? !lol The truth is , is that many white people cannot deal with the realities of history are now experiencing cognitive dissonance because they were never taught the truth. If so, we wouldn't be having this conversation . We would be miles from this point where we can't even tell the truth because of your fragility. Like I said funny a sad at the same time. Lets jus stick to the facts of history and then we can explain it to your children better. Our children already know whats what, because they live it and see it on the nightly news. So lets drop the term CRT and just teach what happened and stop tying to sugar coat the past for our kids. Then maybe we can come up with better solutions for the future. We are never going to forget our history because we are damn sure not going to repeat it. But see some people are just fine with that...

[@lowellandrews5623]

I'm just here to say liberals are racist because they only see the color of my skin and they dont care about my character

[@IamThatDude]

Marc and Chris, this was a great conversation. Chris, you did a great job explaining your position. Marc, respectfully allowing Chris to speak was refreshing. No one yelled, cussed, etc., just two men having a disagreement. I enjoyed this. 👍🏽

[@miamiexplorer6451]

So true. I glad someone pointed this out.

[@Mscherer11]

@@miamiexplorer6451 I thought the same exact thing

[@bryanhunnicutt7811]

What did you expect?

[@Themagnificentone022]

👍🏿👍🏿

[@IamThatDude]

@@bryanhunnicutt7811 someone to make a comment like this?

[@honeysucklecat]

This was a better quality conversation and debate than anything I’ve heard in a while. Good job both of y’all

[@ilias856]

@pipper donnie Attacking CRT should be applauded. CRT is racist and whoever supports it is a racist piece of shit.

[@thephantom5368]

@@ilias856 • easy to call things shit when you live nose deep in it. I really don't think you know what CRT is perhaps you can get some one to read it to you then explain it.

[@ilias856]

@@thephantom5368 Live nose deep in what lol. What's that even mean. Why do you assume that i don't know what CRT is? Because i came to a different conclusion than yours? I've done my own reading perfectly well and i don't need anyone to do it for me. CRT is profoundly anti-white and rooted in disgustingly racist ideas.

[@vvblues]

@@ilias856 So you didn't listen to the discussion in which Ruffo mischaracterized a theory only taught in graduate level law classes?

[@vvblues]

@@ilias856 Read it again. It's not anti-white. It looks at structural racism, how they were embedded into laws and became systemic. If you feel terrible about white inhumanity in America that's because it is. They're not trying to make you feel bad, just telling the truth so society can move forward without all the fairy tales about equity and justice in America's past. America was built on independence for white people, greed, slavey, and opportunism, and yeah, those people just happened to be mostly white.

[@Angela-pi6zc]

Mr. Marc, You are an informed, articulate, and respectful interviewer. Thank you!

[@veda1166]

Only one racist in this conversation and I think we all know who it is.

[@PaSportsZone215]

I saw a civil conversation

[@jenniferklopman2557]

The guy with the tie!

[@bugeye177]

@@jenniferklopman2557 Nope. You're wrong.

[@user-in5ru2cd9l]

@@bugeye177 no, you're wrong.

[@elmizzox]

@@user-in5ru2cd9l no **you're** wrong

[@Cinchyable]

If your views about CRT didn't become more negative after watching this you are officially part of the problem.

[@ElizaDolittle]

CRT proves that the government believes that black people are dumb enough to be used and manipulated for political reasons: the government is allowing CRT to exist in order to bring the white population down. Once the white population is down, then EVERYONE is down - the dictators have everyone under their control - black, white, and everyone in between. That's why CRT is ultimately allowed to spread. It's PURELY for Marxist reasons. People who are used for political reasons don't know they are being used - they are led to believe that the government actually cares about them. They don't. In Soviet Russia these kinds of people were called "useful idiots" who did their "masters" bidding. Once the dictators gained full power over all people the useful idiots were squashed like cockroaches - silenced in more ways than one. They had served their purpose. The other useful idiots are the media & entertainers - basically any institution of mass public influence. All authoritarian style governments do this. The nazis did it, the fascists in Italy did it. An authoritarian government needs to control all public institutions of influence in order to control the type of influence they have over the people. All information spread from these institutions must ultimately serve the authoritarian government one way or another.

[@conorcorrigan765]

@@ElizaDolittle It was said of the "useful idiots" that once they were no longer useful, they were shunned even by their fellow prisoners in the gulags.

[@deepee4323]

you white folks are hilarious lol this white dude deflected and couldn't identify ONE critical race theorist that does what he pushes as his agenda. He kept cherry picking a handful of incidents while never condemning the racism that has been taught in schools by white folks since forever.

[@ElizaDolittle]

@@deepee4323 you do realize that youtube is literally saturated with videos uploaded by black americans condemning CRT, don't you?

[@deepee4323]

@@ElizaDolittle please show me the saturating videos of black Americans that descend from the ancestors that survived the American holocaust known as the institution of slavery, condemning the idea that America employs a system that advantages whiteness..... I'll wait SN: They can't be right wing tokens that parrot yt supremacist talking points for personal gain The clock starts.....NOW

[@rubenfernandez3305]

Keep up the GREAT Work Mr. Rufo... This is coming from a Brown man.

[@Kehvan]

You're just a man... who happens to have brownish skin.

[@jenniferklopman2557]

❤🇺🇸🙂

[@kenbobcorn]

Ironically, by mentioning you are a Brown man you are using the fact that you are a minority to validate Rufo's argument to demonstrate it's appealing to not just white people. What you actually said is antithetical to what Mr. Rufo has said by saying your identity matters in your opinions. It shouldn't matter if you are white or brown, and mentioning that characteristic is irrelevant to the soundness of his argument.

[@KingNicotine]

@@kenbobcorn ...I think you're putting too much into the stating of his skin color than is really there. I do believe the reason he's stating he's a Brown man is because the pushers of CRT would like to believe that because of the color of his skin he should automatically be on board with their ideals...treating him not as an individual...but as a skin color alone.

[@kenbobcorn]

@@KingNicotine I agree the pushers of CRT put race above being an individual, but he is validating what they are saying by listing his race as if his opinion is representative of being a minority. That's like if I said "as a white man, I believe I am an oppressor". Me saying I have white skin explicitly is saying my opinion is representative of white people. I could just say "as an individual I believe I am an oppressor" which is more in line with what Mr. Rufo says because I am treating my statement as something beyond my identity. Makes sense?

[@drone124]

so incredibly frustrating. Rufo kept falling back on talking points related to race essentialism without confronting what got us to this point. very insincere conversation from his end but very savvy

[@DJTazzyTaz]

I do my best to look at things by facts. As a person of color, I appreciate Rufo's viewpoint but living the "American Dream" and going through these experiences, I sense and feel Rufo's denial. He admits there's racism and agrees on things that should be taught but maybe my experience and knowledge doesn't let me see it any other way that racism is the main reason for the oppression along with class.

[@sinsincere5748]

Racists always deflect

[@michaelstrout3839]

​@@DJTazzyTaz STOP PLAYING THE VICTIM CARD WALK OFF THE PLANTATION

[@17thwboy]

@@michaelstrout3839 stop living by the bill of rights or constitutional get over it!!!

[@Darling137]

I find Hill frustrating between his "you'll concede"statements (without giving Rufo a chance to response (on occasion) and then asking Rufo to answer questions whose premise Rufo doesn't even buy in the first place.

[@stephaniecocke9032]

This respectful conversation is so appreciated and needed. Thank you to you both.

[@jamberry8026]

Why, because MLK kept apologizing for being Black. Y'all like that kind if thing, don't you?

[@Droctagon1]

@@jamberry8026 he never once did anything of the sort..

[@freegibran]

@@jamberry8026 what are you talking/typing about ?

[@jamberry8026]

@@Droctagon1 He's being nice and letting dude drop bullshit on his show. That is nothing but. It ain't always time to be civil!

[@jamberry8026]

@@freegibran What, you want to troll or something? What are you going to do bust a capslock up in my ass or some stupid shit like that? You police killing bait!

[@lemur22715]

I think this conversation is a brilliant example of how to discuss controversial issues, thoughtfully listening to the other person in order to respond appropriately. It is educational and allows everyone to think carefully. Thank you both!

[@KautiousNupe]

I thought the same thing Leah. I appreciated this civil, comprehensive, thoughtful dialogue between Marc Lamont and Christopher Rufo. Lots of points to appreciate and refute/disagree with on both sides.

[@hardworkingcriminal4873]

@@KautiousNupe Which point did christopher make that you agreed with? Respectfully asking.

[@claudiawoods4382]

@Leah - Agreed. Even though they both still disagreed, they were able to bring logical, coherent arguments to the table assertively, and not agressively. They both defended their points in a thoughtful, civil manner. I actually do hope that they have a Part II to this conversation. I feel that if everyone really did become "color blind", so to speak, then so many issues would automatically go away. Unfortunately, still many people are not Christopher's kind of color blind. So we continue to have problems of which stem from ingrained racism. We will never get to the place that Christopher ostensibly seems to believe that society has already arrived at until existing issues are acknowledged and dealt with head on. ...BTW, I am totally *not* a proponent of color blindness. There is nothing wrong with being different; that makes everyone unique - even beautiful. The problem is thinking and treating people less humanely because of real or perceived differences. But that is just my POV.

[@NoThankYouToo]

Hill is not thoughtful. He’s evil.

[@glamagal08]

@@claudiawoods4382 u really think christ is colour blind......or protecting his wealth and his own inna passive way....because he know the actual out come if people continue to be educated on that same wealth and power his color blind ass benefited frm....they a protecting their own its time for black people to protect theirs.....in peace atleast because we have been protecting ours but that same colorblindness four fathers keep burning and killing us.....the slavery never ended

[@terranceoneil3]

This host lives in phony paradigm... telling another person to own a philosophical construct and the failure to do so proves the construct. "You must agree with me and your failure to do so affirms that you do agree with me"...lol

[@DavidRyan.]

CRT In a nutshell. The whole thing is one big Kafka trap.

[@leronharrison1110]

You two don't know what the hell you're talking about. Just sheer nonsense!!!

[@DavidRyan.]

@@leronharrison1110 Ok then enlighten us smart one.

[@scratchpenny]

He's a moron. There is a reason that even CNN fired him from his job. And it's not just because of his speech at the U.N. He's just a KZbinr spreading hate at this point.

[@kenkenichi7461]

@@CC-zf3dc Your statement is idiotic maybe he's here to listen to the other guy you jackazz.

[@stefon815]

Man that was fantastic throughout and especially at the end. Excellent work Marc! I've always followed your work and will continue to seek out your stuff. You always come through for black people and honesty in general.

[@drshlotzkin]

Damn admitting you're a racist. Pretty brave.

[@infinityandbeyond7057]

marc is the best example that whiteness is privilege don't exist just look at marc 😂

[@bockscar1]

Racism is not dead but its on life support -kept alive by politicians, race hustler, and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as racist Thomas sowell

[@kommisar.]

He's just your typical Democrat grifter who makes a living telling black people they are oppressed while doing absolutely nothing to help them. You're gullible.

[@KautiousNupe]

I appreciate this civil, comprehensive, thoughtful dialogue between Marc Lamont and Christopher Rufo. Lots of points to appreciate and refute/disagree with on both sides. These days, it's RARE that we're able to see two individuals debate topics or perspectives and talk about controversial topics (such as critical race theory), who have both clearly READ BOOKS, THEORETICAL PAPERS AND HAVE ACTUALLY DONE REAL RESEARCH on the topics that they're discussing. It was disheartening to read some of the other 5000 comments and see people defaulting to their partisan, prejudiced talking points/ways of thinking and totally miss the nuance required to have informed positions on these kinds of topics. I'm hoping to see more debates/exchanges between March and Christopher!

[@danielclarke5348]

I totally appreciate this comment and feel the same way I think Christopher rufo would come back because he is really passionate about this I watched a speech from him a few days after this and he's more passionate than ever about this I think what made this really great is both people are really passionate about these topics and what you pointed out to this other reply I really don't feel anyone was hogtied or shown anything I think both just laid out clear differences and good points

[@SilverWealth_Draper_Mint]

@@bryanhunnicutt7811 Lamont is manchild

[@bryanhunnicutt7811]

@@danielclarke5348 Chris may be "passionate ", but that has nothing to do with his skewed rationale on the subject. Dr. Hill gave him FACTS. Chris just didn't have a response to Dr. Hill once he was told how he could deny being white, while Dr. Hill had to remind him that he doesn't have that same privilege. Black is black is black is black.

[@taoman85]

@@SilverWealth_Draper_Mint 🤔😕

[@thisisone9529]

@@bryanhunnicutt7811 this is a sad commentary of your view of the world. "Black is black" tells us nothing about the individual or his experiences. It tells us only that this way of thinking demoralizes black youth into thinking that their individual choices hold less sway on their future than the statistical representation of the group. Marc's choices allowed him to escape the hell of poverty, likely crime, and any other number of negative consequences correlated to "blackness," which we've projected as a representation onto the individual, because we've lost sight of the fact that these statistics are simply telling us an aggregated story for the population within the demographic. By way of example, when someone concluded that "black crime" is a problem caused by the "black community," it distorts what we should learn from statistics. In reality, "black crime" is a product of a minority of black people within the black community. And, because of this conflation, true racists among use the "13-50 argument" to demonize all the individuals in the group. That isn't to say that there isn't a problem we all should address. But, it is a misnomer to suggest that "black is black" is the defining feature of a black individual's life experiences. As a related aside, I personally know a very interesting family. One brother was convinced that the world was against him. That was his perspective. He succumbed to the "black is black" mentality. He was in and out of prison, in and out of work, etc. His brother, raised by the same parents, in the same household and taught the same values, who also ended up being my grandparent's neighbor, never believed that stereotype. He believed he could achieve what he put his mind to, something he told me verbatim, when recollecting about race relations at that time. Consequently, he excelled in school and then law school, worked for the State Dept, was appointed as the Ambassador to Algeria and was one of the board of directors of ABC. Mr. Haynes, as I knew him, was a great man and a great friend. Imagine how his world would have been different, if he had followed in his older brother's footsteps.

[@Melissathelocator]

Well, at least it was a discussion and not a yelling match!

[@michaelmcgee335]

It was not a discussion it was accusitive horse-shit by a wealthy black-man who has plenty of privlege.

[@lonnieblackmon8429]

Well two people can have a conversation when both have research and informed themselves on the issue. And just not going on what tucker carlson, and other like him says.

[@charlenesones7993]

@@michaelmcgee335, "horse shit", huh, somebody can't deal with truth 🤣

[@dannyberinger4634]

Marc Lamont Hill doesnt yell at white people. Only black people.

[@michaelmcgee335]

@@charlenesones7993 What truth can't I deal with?

[@phillipnevels1598]

"What do you like about being white?" It's a loaded question.

[@florin604]

That racist piece of sh should be asked to define white. What shade of white qualifies as white? It's a gradual thing? What about Shaun King? That guy is white as milk... does it make him a racist? These people are extremely stupid, or evil, or both.

[@auntieshugah9330]

Trur

[@tightbrotha1]

How so?

[@The.End.Begins24]

How so?

[@christhomas8739]

EVERYTHING?...

[@Tedzepeda3986]

Thank you Marc Lamont Hill for this insightful interview with Chris Rufo. It seemed for a while that Rufo was not being challenged on his vagueness with regard to race and whiteness. You brought it home in your close with real passion and with historical, political and intellectual clarity.

[@bockscar1]

Unfortunately lamont claim of all this racial discrimination doesn't exist he is the best example 😂

[@davep1103]

Why EXACTLY are you thanking him ? Are you thanking him for continually keeping black people, and people in general, in this BASS ACKWARDS WAY of thinking ? It's a SHAME that black people CAN'T see past their own skin color. ( AND YES I'M BLACK ! ) And all they are doing is, inviting and welcoming people to WALLOW IN THEIR SELF PITY with them. Look what happened to me. 😭😭😭😭 BASICALLY ! And if this.... Lamont was truly smart, as his suit suggests. He would know, Blacks were enslaving other blacks for capital gains to Arabs. At least a WHOLE CENTURY before whites ever thought about doing it, for their own gains. BUT..... Like he and other BRAINWASHED INDIVIDUALS... They are STUCK in a Democratic Way of Thinking. The democratic planned-tation ! Just STUCK in stupidity. But passing it off as... being intelligent. AKA----- WOKE ! WHAT A CROCK ! CLASS DISMISSED ! 🔔

[@bockscar1]

​@BleyBlairactually if you look at the diversity in this country and many laws that specifically benefit a specific race that discriminate against the others its obvious it proves opposite of what Marc claimed 😂😂😂

[@malvolio01]

You didn't understand his point then

[@angelussierra7042]

Would love for Marc LaFool interview Brandon Tatum.

[@metorphoric]

Why? They both are emotionally driven airheads.

[@eazeyt1759]

@@metorphoric at least Hill has some credentials to back him up. Tatum is a grifter.

[@bud1239]

Marc should interview James Lindsay next

[@MarkLacouague1]

I'd pay money to see that.

[@diranshouse7061]

@t bone fisher Candace already spanked him on her show. If you are getting mauled by Candace ( who tough, but not an intellectual giant) then you really aren't good.

[@MarkLacouague1]

@@diranshouse7061 James Lindsay would obliterate Hill's worldview!

[@oceania2385]

I don't think Lamonts show is long enough for Lindsay, lol. Though I'd like to see it.

[@bellabiesel4560]

Or Thomas Sowell.

[@philavise6607]

Candace Owens: Can men get pregnant? Marc Lamont: It depends

[@adashing]

and you are making a point by quoting Candace? lol

[@devinw5150]

@@adashing Yes, and the point is how ignorant his response was to the question.

[@Eric-vh5by]

@@adashing goes to show the intellectual quality of the person she was talking to. So yeah. Pretty well received point.

[@conorcorrigan765]

Abandoning biology to own the cons...

[@Eric-vh5by]

@@conorcorrigan765 but he didn't "own the cons" at all lol

[@samueljenkins1335]

Critical race theory is American history. Keep them on blast Marc !!!! THANK YOU!!!

[@jimmythegem6582]

CRT is democrat history, you racist dim bulb. Democrats embraced slavery, invented the KKK, Jim Crow, and kill more black babies in 2 weeks than the KKK lynched in a century. Christians Republicans freed the slaves and ended Roe V Wade. COPE, retard.

[@sr2291]

What is Critical Race Theory?

[@genkisudo5999]

Marc is spot on. These white devils come in all different guises and we need to fight them on the front line. No justice no peace

[@cheryldeboissiere1851]

Critical Race Theory is where you blame White people for all your problems, you decide on the basis of skin someone has oppressed and mistreated you. You weep about slavery and want reparations. Jewish people did the slavery thing two thousand years ago and were forced into ghettos since the Egyptians are gone, they will be going after Christians for reparations. Oops, they’re not interested. They just want hate crimes to stop.

[@Darling137]

No, it's a Marxist take on race relations, nothing more.

[@themange59]

An actual discussion, a rare thing these days.

[@NoThankYouToo]

This wasn’t a discussion. They just didn’t yell. It doesn’t change the fact that Hill is a disingenuous race hustler, profiting off an inherently destructive ideology he purposely obfuscates in dialectic.

[@michaelmcgee335]

@@NoThankYouToo Yes exactly this interviewer is not interested in hearing this guy out.

[@BWGmedia]

@@michaelmcgee335 He was only looking for a sound bite and to imply that the dudes a racist or bad person

[@michaelmcgee335]

@@BWGmedia I understand that, it's very deceitful questioning. I used to be on the left I suppose still am on a couple of things. My conscience will not let me be this modern type of lefty so I'd consider myself more of a consevative now; however these amoral neo-Marxists jerks who know nothing about me would consider me far-right.

[@BWGmedia]

@@michaelmcgee335 Its a shame too, I share pretty much the same position you are in... where ironically being called alt right by these marxists and told that conservatives are evil backfires when 1 you aren't actually a bigot, and 2 you start meeting like minded people who are conservative but not alt-right/fascist or indecent in any way. The truth is there is good and bad people on both sides, but once you start loosing sight of that and seeing the opposition as wholly evil, it opens up the door for you to be taken advantage of- and thats when the atrocities come. Thats how you get antifa and rioting that will then be defended vehemently by the left, which again pushes more people to the right. They are defeating themselves, slowly but surely driving everyone away. I suspect in 5-10 years many of the wokescolds will come out against this stuff and proclaim they were against it all along. Do not forget them, hold their feet to the fire- but don't forget to be better than them: Offer a path of redemption

[@robeltedros6885]

Denzel Washington actually once said "Race relations have to do with race relations. You are white or whatever you are, I am black or whatever I am, we are standing here and talking now, that is how we get things done, you cannot legislate love. The President and or any legislator cannot legislate us into liking each other. We have to step forward and ask questions about each other and engage. So really it is up to us. I also believe that we are all God's children (My Comment)

[@nateboy123]

“But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.” ‭‭John‬ ‭1:12-13‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬ Not everyone is a child of God. Children of God are the ones who have received Christ.

[@williamjones3534]

There is no such thing as black or white as it relates to race. There is melanin positive and melanin anemic. There is only one race, the human one and nothing else. Race in and of itself is nothing more than a social construct dreamed up and designed by white or melanin anemic Europeans that couldn't deal with the fact that there were other cultures that were more advanced and had developed society's while they were still painting their faces blue and kicking it in caves.

[@muscledoggs566]

@@williamjones3534 Uh, you do realize that everyone who saw something different in other people mentally made that construct as well, right? Europeans were absolutely not alone in this process.

[@williamjones3534]

​@@muscledoggs566 I didn't say they were not. What I am telling you is that a group of supposed "Scholars" got together because they couldn't deal with the fact that great works like Egypt's pyramids were built by non whites and came up with a crack pot theory of multiple races including "white Africans" despite evidence to the contrary to describe and justify white supremacy. Race is a social construct, culture is something entirely different.

[@robeltedros6885]

@@williamjones3534 Absolutely William! In fact the concept of race started with the Spanish Inquisition in 1478, before that, race was not a problem. It had to do with religion. When the Spanish and also the Portuguese were going to Africa in particular, they could not tell what Africans religion was so they set upon skin color. One of the major slave trades that included West Africans was actually the Arab/Muslim slave trade. A-lot of people don't talk about that.

[@interstellardweller3928]

When I was young and dumb I used to think Lamont was intelligent. He’s mostly guided by his deep seated racism and really doesn’t have much depth.

[@youngphenom84]

Same. I used to watch him a lot and he’s just utterly ridiculous

[@Successful504]

So, since "you" have so much "dept"; go on his show & debate him. Hurry!

[@interstellardweller3928]

@@Successful504 are you suggesting 1) I even have the opportunity, as in it’s my choice, and 2) that I would be afraid to? I could school Lamont, but I wouldn’t be as nice. No fucks to give here.

[@jordant7207]

Adorable

[@The.End.Begins24]

How is he racist?

[@pope4930]

This is hillarious. Professor Hill asked Rufo a question "What do you like about being white", knowing very well that he previously stated he doesn't buy into the term as a definitive description of one's culture, values, etc. How does he answer the question if he doesn't even believe in the word in the first place?

[@bigtone7913]

From a " minority Latino" , Good job Chris💪

[@auntieshugah9330]

🤦🏽‍♀️

[@DanHovarter]

Tell Rachel Dolashaw Race is a social construct

[@Eric-vh5by]

@@auntieshugah9330 see, youre emoji reply is so revealing. It says, "I don't actually have a rational argument to debunk or dispute your claim, so I'll pretend you're dumb" but please, articulate!

[@scoobenvonduben4165]

@@Eric-vh5by and of course you single out the black woman. Typical. And for your information an emoji is used to portray emotion without words, you know “a picture is worth a thousand words” is the basic principle. Chris is a minority and is basically defending white racism. 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

[@epiczeus945]

@@scoobenvonduben4165 . I'll fill you in on something about most white people including me, we choose our associates the same way regardless of race. For instance, I met 2 black guys a few months ago and what brought us together as friends? A love of old school hip hop, that's it. We hang out all the time. For me making friends requires that we have something in common and that something is not based on skin color. MLK said people should be judged by their individual character not by the color of their skin. What you're doing and what CRT is attempting to do is the complete opposite. It seeks to classify people by race not to bring about equality, but to bring about division and hate. It's the same with ALL Marxist ideology; sow division, promote hate, train revolutionaries, other throw the system, kill those who don't agree, establish the Communist Utopia. That is exactly how every single Marxist regime came to power. The thing is CRT, just like every other Marxist ideology, has nothing to do with equality. Their is only one racist in this interview and that's Marc Lamont Hill.

[@kevincasey8278]

No one will talk about the Irish experience. Not even the Irish.

[@K131399]

The Irish were/are not easy to fool and asked too many questions so Liberals moved onto people who were more agreeable to dependency and hopelessness.

[@tamarascott3672]

Irish people are not living in a continuous cycle of oppression either. Systemic racism is not affecting the Irish community in 2021.

[@matthewrutters6842]

@Tamara Scott the only systemic prejudice that is built into the system is called affirmative action. Racist bitch.

[@camycamjefferson1685]

The Irish were treated as non-white when they immigrated to the US and were horribly discriminated against by American whites

[@Dennis-nc3vw]

@@matthewrutters6842 Jeez no need to be so rude.

[@DannyLamastrasAdventures]

A civilized conversation between two people with vastly different viewpoints. We need more news reports like this.

[@orgelssecondrule9221]

I came in too this conversation with my own cognitive bias.. it still exists, but boy oh boy excellent interviewer excellent guest both spoke from a place of intelligence, research and I agree with you 100%

[@cynthiawells9042]

@@orgelssecondrule9221 only rufo is speaking from not a place of intelligence but ignorance. He clearly doesn't have a clear understanding of what CRT is. Crt doesn't hold that white people are inherently racist. It deals with systemic racism and its continued effects in many of our institutions. If that makes people feel bad, too bad. Germany teaches its youth about the racist atteocities committed by some of their own grandparents and great grandparents, but no one would argue that is tantamount to teaching the kids that they too, are inherently racist. That's nonsense.

[@sharifsalem]

@@cynthiawells9042 lol, Germany passed a law criminalising criticism of Israel as anti-semitism and have quite draconian speech laws.

[@tatriceshipp9139]

Actually two people one (the white one is a LIAR! The other is truthful and stating facts.

[@mustang607]

These type of informative interviews are becoming much more rare.

[@teniller4570]

Loved the ending of this conversation. You never think you need to talk about race until it effects you or people close to you.

[@brownconservative]

eh? explain.

[@82abhilash]

Fine, then what? In the USA, Italians were once discriminated against, so were the Irish. Their "whiteness" did not protect them. Japanese were interned in concentration camps, being white adjacent didn't help them. Being Chinese today means open season for discrimination amongst democrats and republicans. Chinese too are "white adjacent". You need to lift yourself by your boot strap or die trying. There is no other solution to this problem.

[@fabriziobai2941]

Says a successful anchorman wearing a $2000 suit… he is soo oppressed.

[@bockscar1]

​@@fabriziobai2941hahahahaha 😂😂😂😂

[@lalareal180]

Oh bye! race race race... quit it a professor in a fancy suit asking questions followin his script like the clown he is! Ooh what a groundbreakin moment!

[@nileskelce1387]

This host was "race baiting" the guest into trying to say something he could jump all over. He had no interest in a dialog only in serving his own self interest and was he himself showing that he is racist.

[@flaborn8631981]

Its a discussion about race, The Rufo guy denies that he is even white as if the world is going to see him different. The label white exist and he couldn't even acknowledge it.

[@nirbija]

Obviously, you are just projecting your own racist "race baiting" onto the host. Trying to deny what everyone can see, the guest's whiteness/race, is deceptive and disingenuous. And the guest is denying and distracting from the obvious; because he is smug enough in his privilege as comfortably deny and distract from his own race/whiteness, WHILE STILL being confident in enjoying the present societal benefits (often times ill-gotten) of his race/whiteness.

[@adashing]

It was a good debate, whether you like the other person's comments are not. We need more conversation like this instead of the overly emotional BS we see on the TV stations.

[@NoSpinster0909]

Race baiting how by asking simple questions

[@jm0112]

@@NoSpinster0909 Oh yes simple questions like "What do you like about being white" imagine he answers with the correct answer "well I like the fact that my ancestors created the most free and thriving society that has ever existed on earth" you guys would say "You racist! you shouldn't like being white at all!" Sounds a little like race baiting to me.

[@TheDionBlasterMethod]

Asking "What do you like about being white?" should be like asking "What do you like about having green eyes?" or "What's the best thing about having brown hair?".

[@263production9]

For someone so well thought out it was an embarrassing question to ask and an obvious attempt at a gotcha

[@bmessier2]

Critical race theory is just that: A theory. Study it if you want, don't try to impose that shit on our society.

[@DuraDigi]

Absolutely

[@CASHGOTJUICE]

it should be canceled countrywide its bs to the core

[@bcollins6924]

Your statement leaves with the question. How far did you go thru school before dropping?? My lord, Jesus!!

[@bmessier2]

Anyone dropping out from school before Critical race theory is 10 time smarter for it. It's a stupid, made up field of study that never gets any citation from scientific newspaper. It's gospel, it's belief, it's a weapon in 2021, it's total garbage

[@johnmc6293]

What do I like about being white? 1) cultural norms; 2) tradition; and 3) pride in being from the race that first conceived of democracy, the bill of rights, separation of powers in the government, and invented just about everything that makes life in our society as good as it is today, including virtually every musical instrument played in America today. Oh, and being privileged.

[@johnmc6293]

@BleyBlair What do you mean, "you people?"

[@johnmc6293]

@BleyBlair If your reply was actually funny like mine, you wouldn't need the lol.

[@safeinthehandz]

I love the fact that nobody was talking over the other

[@Waltonet93]

Pity Joy Reid wasn’t able to extend the same courtesy.

[@nicholascarter8315]

Joy doesn’t allow lies on her show. Plain and simple

[@Waltonet93]

@@nicholascarter8315 Was that irony?

[@timestamp7415]

They gave him the whole screen and most of the time... Plz Not the same interview style...

[@theduetninja1531]

THAT part.....

[@KtotheG]

Marc: Let's hold on to race so we can hold on to pain... That pain has become our identity, like power has become your identity. I'm glad I stopped thinking like this at 18. Smh.

[@dhilliard329]

Yeah, I think that so many Americans don't either realize, believe or want to admit that the pain is real in the descendants of slaves because that's what we are, 3rd, 4th, or 5th generation but also look at how we survived perhaps the most brutal, torturous and plainly fucked up, longest lasting crimes against humanity. But I gain strength through the positivity that our race has added to this country because we built this country, gave it character and swag. Look at the both past and present athletes and musicians. So all I see is so much more to come, as long as more and more people open their eyes and keep them open we will win in the end because good always conquers evil.

[@ericboyum9848]

Well said American! Take care.

[@t-raystudios]

The problem with your logic about Marc holding on to race, there is no escaping, from any type of application you fill out to the job you work to critics in the digital space, you can't separate race. He isn't "holding on to pain", he is trying to get folks to look past his race and focus on him and others like him as people. If you want to believe it true or not, your race is being viewed everyday all day.

[@josephmciver6095]

@@t-raystudios Marc is a academic tv personality with his own show, huge following and a million dollar net worth. So he’s looking for ppl to look passed his race. What exactly is Marc lacking that requires anyone to look passed his race?

[@t-raystudios]

@@josephmciver6095 , he wants people to see him as Marc Lamont Hill but not as black Marc Lamont Hill. That is what I mean.

[@jutsu1]

Rufo handled this interview well. Bravo!

[@aaronjohnston1584]

Yeah. Particularly considering he agreed to appear on a show called Black News Tonight.

[@obryantribe385]

He did despite Lamont’s race baiting & clear racist comments. I don’t understand why they’re insecurities and failure to move forward is someone else’s problem when clearly many of different races have overcome obstacles. White people don’t see race because it’s not an issue in general unless someone like Lamont wants to see it as an issue. In this day and age most families are mixed. Only black supremacists want to keep the victim hood mindset going.

[@Lileggmane]

@@obryantribe385 you’re a racist

[@212ntruesdale]

@@Lileggmane Victimhood sells, race hustlers are still playing up race. But the worst thing about CRT is that it declares meritocracy, objectivism and colorblindness as examples of systemic racism. Unfortunately, this amounts to dumbing down, done for black people, which is both unnecessary are harmful.

[@Lileggmane]

@@212ntruesdale false. CRT does NOT declare meritocracy nor objectivism (lol) as an example of systemic racism. Colorblindness/ color evasion is a form of gaslighting, as to deny that race as a social construct even exists

[@damianholmes3049]

This is the level of dialogue we used to get on major networks 30-40 years ago. Much respect Professor Hill.

[@jimmythegem6582]

Marc was oozing with racism. He's an inferior and deeply angry individual; par for the course with these people.

[@bockscar1]

Unfortunately lamont hill claim of all this racial discrimination doesn't exist he is the best example 😂

[@6milliondollarman1]

Judge them by content of their character not by the color of their skin!!

[@jeffkoons9660]

According to CRT, this is racism.

[@jamesj2912]

Since when has white men started quoting Dr King of all people

[@6milliondollarman1]

@@jamesj2912 never judge a book by its cover. I don’t owe you an explanation but I’ll give it to you. My father is black ! That makes me black. But even if I wasn’t wisdom should be for all men!

[@iretaylor3917]

@@jamesj2912 whenever they cannot explain or articulate the wonders of whiteness or being white. But,MLK told them that the nation is suffering a moral decay. (paraphrasing..) then,their govt killed him. smh

[@jazzstandardman]

@@iretaylor3917 But Jabali is a black man.

[@PrinceJoshTheGreat]

Marc: "What do you like about being white?" Celebrating fathers day.

[@angelaj8958]

bawahaha

[@tylermarshall5350]

😂😂😂

[@OldYellA]

HuHa!

[@Sololife1Deep]

Of course, more opportunities for incest.

[@christianbryce]

This comment is gold 😂😂😂

[@69isDvine]

Marc Lamont Hill...would feel right at home in 1930's Germany

[@jrad410]

Uh no lol

[@Dubinski2382]

@@jrad410 Uh...everything Mr. Hill is saying is straight out of a Nazi handbook.

[@GamesandNonsenseUnleashed]

@@jrad410 He means with his mindset, not actual appearance.

[@therealcirclea762]

@@jrad410 Yeah, unfortunately, the same rhetoric and even phrasing was used by the NAZIs to justify the genocide of Jews. You may not believe it, you may deny it, you may throw your head in the sand or cover your ears with more rhetoric...but the truth is the truth. "You can deny nature, but you can not deny the consequences of denying nature." Hill is an unabashed grifter, just like the NAZIs, grabbing evolutionary predispositions for in-group preference, and exploiting it into racism for cash and prizes and status, and all the power that comes with it. Just like the NAZIs. Sorry, but thats the truth. Deal or dont. Nature will handle it either way.

[@solomonjames2162]

Is that an argument for which oppressor is better?

[@tristanbruns5968]

Very happy to listen to educated people talking respectfully and providing sources for the arguments. Mr. Hill, you are tops, sir.

[@ameenomar1911]

That was actually a good conversation. I wish more conversations like this could be had among the two ideological divides.

[@Rocchio753]

There’s only on ideology here, and it’s the regressive one pushed by MLH. Rationality is not an ideology

[@Iburn247]

Black news tonight?🤣 Good lord these people are brainwashed. They're segregating themselves

[@cornelwest633]

You unknowingly reveal your ignorance regarding racial segregation, you see you can't choose to segregate yourself as you ignorantly claim, anymore than you can choose to volunteer someone else. Segregation in America was systemic institutionalized racism, southern-style Apartheid, it was something imposed on black folks and enforced with state sanctioned terror and violence, not something chosen or choosable. When you equate southern-style Apartheid with black folks choosing to spend time with other black folks you highlight your ignorance, when you conflate the inhumanity of state imposed racist terrorism with a school exercise about race and racism you parade your ignorance. Learn something about Segregation and stop making fools of yourselves regurgitating that CRT advocates segregation.

[@Iburn247]

@@cornelwest633 crt was started by Hitler

[@cornelwest633]

@@Iburn247 Yes and MLK was Soviet pawn...

[@eazeyt1759]

How is having a program directed at a specific audience segregation?

[@cornelwest633]

@@eazeyt1759 Dunces who won't tolerate any discussion of racism nonsensically try to appropriate terms ie "nuhuh you're for segregation/racist" and try to appropriate anti-racist folks like MLK... It's the best retort to the documented reality of racism these dolts can concoct

[@paulelago9453]

Marc is a rich black person, he listed things like dying of covid, not living longer and the likelihood of going to prison, all of those are unlikely for him. The most accurate predictor of those are economic class not race. He has more in common with Chris than he does with a poor black person.and His 'culture' is also more similar to Chris' than to a black person in Africa.

[@DaGamerDad]

Hmm... I never considered this, but it is hard to refute.

[@jaycee6063]

Great point Paul.

[@Samantha-pn4zk]

Well for one, most Africans are considerably more conservative than Marc.

[@arontotheleft]

@@jaycee6063 It's a terrible point.

[@arontotheleft]

Yet, Hill and this "poor black" both face racial discrimination in ways Chris never will. Your "point" is silly and devoid of facts. The funniest apart is "black person in Africa." 💀 What are you even saying? They're both Americans.

[@Brad5161]

Rufo talking about Asian study habits but claiming he doesn't want to lump people together was a basic fail. Thanks, Professor Hill. Rufo was as shakey as ever.

[@AstroSquid]

Chris speaks the language people fighting neo racism need to learn.

[@killy7778]

@CRT is anti White hatred Smash cultural marxism Self Defense from what?

[@joelanderson5285]

@CRT is anti White hatred Smash cultural marxism identity politics is the problem.

[@relax_enjoy_English]

Actually, he's strikingly lacking in self-awareness, which is the case for most white people on racism issues. He showed his true colours when he laughed nervously at the question: "what do you like about being white?" He knows a lot but he uses language to put up intellectual defenses to avoid some uncomfortable examination of how whites benefit from being white. If I'm honest, I was in the same place until about a year ago.

[@joelanderson5285]

@@relax_enjoy_English your projecting

[@AstroSquid]

@@relax_enjoy_English Of course it was a race bait question, forcing a certain view if it's answered. Or other Kafka trap line of questioning. If you think race bait questions are valid, then I have to ask this. To preference, John McWhorters comments in, It Feels Good To Be A Victim, youtube video, where he states: White people and black people are raised differently. White people are raised to believe that racism is bad. Black people are raised to believe racism is still there and it's just hidden, so for some it's a matter of pride to be able to show to their piers how they can spot racism. That said, I have to ask anyone who stands by race bait tactics about their past relationship to how they define "how to spot" racism?

[@chonarmsbury2550]

“What do you like about being white?” Absolutely horrible question by Mark Lamont. This is why Rufo is doing the work he is doing.

[@sceptre3524]

Great question.... the non verbal response was hilarious....

[@justmyopinion9883]

I'm sure Rufo enjoys being White. He just didn't want to say so in this interview.

[@tretre3892]

@@justmyopinion9883 of course he does!

[@GreasyBaconMan]

@@justmyopinion9883 I’m sure when first wakes up in the morning that’s first thought on his mind.

[@marcsmirnoff936]

At the 24:07 mark, Mr. Hill says "We need to talk about race...." Sure. But 24/7? Since when, in the last twenty years, has there been a lack of talk about race? The obsession with race is a Big Lie. It might even be a media-fed Big Lie. In fact, it's quite possible that everyday human beings of every skin color think less about race than the people with elite power (or the people who want elite power) do. If we need to obsess over something, let's obsess over a matter of depth-like the condition of our souls-rather than a matter of surface, like skin color. My two cents: Don't Buy the Race Lie. And may God bestow peace & Truth to all souls, everywhere.

[@GenerationXT]

Correction, HE needs to talk about race. That’s how Hill makes his living.

[@scratchpenny]

@@GenerationXT Exactly. His whole career depends on it. There are a bunch of people like this. Amazingly, more people don't realize these people should be heavily scrutinized on that basis alone.

[@jenniferklopman2557]

Right on!

[@MuslimBestLife]

How is it that a conservative is acknowledging his whiteness is a social construct and doesn't want to identify by it, and liberal is arguing that no matter how he identifies, the social construct remains? Odd discussion point to end on

[@larrymondello7488]

Marc and those that think along his lines are delusional sadists that seek to control everyone around them.

[@mamba4life247]

Opening: "Welcome back to black news tonight" Me: Pretty sure this show will center around race

[@tightbrotha1]

Yeah, and

[@djmmcee]

@@tightbrotha1 and?

[@MarcusSims91]

also the title might hint at this being about race...

[@Obake4777]

@@tightbrotha1 is it ok for black folks to be racist?

[@tightbrotha1]

@@Obake4777 Black people can’t be racist

[@Stevo1361]

Sorry but his final rant at 24:00 is just dilusional. All of those issues he lists as a result of being black do not superseed the notion of a person wanting to be seen first and foremost as a person and being treated by others first and foremost as a person regardless of race. That is the standard we must aim for. End of story.

[@miamiexplorer6451]

Well said. Thank you.

[@TashaSewingTutorials]

Lol. This what you said is tone deaf. No different than saying you want to be seen as a person first and then a woman or seen as a man first and then a person. Dude I am black and a woman and a person, all at the same time. I want to be seen as all of these at the same time because they cannot be separated.

[@ElHajjMalikElShabbaz]

Thanks for the lip service

[@Stevo1361]

@@TashaSewingTutorials it’s not tone deaf at all. It is a paradigm which is applicable to every single person on earth. That is why it is so powerful. That is why it was the approach of people like MLK. That is why it superseeds any individuals desire to be seen as anything else above being a person. And that was my point. Regardless of individuals desire to for example “be seen as black” and all the associations he listed with that, the paradigm of seeing people as people superseeds that. To reiterate, our other categories such as our sex, being parents etc are important but when it comes to who we are, firstly we are all people. The realisation of this is the only path to getting rid of racism.

[@Stevo1361]

@@ElHajjMalikElShabbaz thanks for the pointless sarcastic comment.

[@cghantayt1]

What I loved best is that it was such a respectful, civil conversation, a dialogue among 2 smart, well intentioned honest people, each with with their own strong views, agreeing to disagree. Well done Marc Lamont Hill!

[@alanfreemancriticalracethe524]

-- The Anti-Critical Race Theory movement is grounded in White Supremacist ideology.

[@TriteNight1218]

@@alanfreemancriticalracethe524 if by white supremacy you mean enlightenment values & ideals, then yes, it’s rooted in white supremacy.

[@troybutler426]

It's a NEELY FULLERS VIEW AS WELL MUCH MORE FUCUS AND CLARITY.

[@F511BHS]

The 2 smart, well intentioned people in this interview are as follows: Chris Rufo and the chair DUMBASS MARC LAMONT HILL WHO CAN'T PROVE WHITE POWER AND PRIVILEGE IS NOT A MYTH IS SITTING ON!!!!!!!!!

[@aggie126]

Rufo is certainly smart enough. "Honest" and "well-intentioned"? Not so much.

[@Psych9589]

He named the three things that were taken/stripped primarily from blacks! Jobs around the 60s and 70s began leaving black communities, education since slavery has been absent or poor, and the welfare system primarily attacked the black families. You just provided reasons why CRT is relevant

[@johnnywatts1421]

So that’s what Rufos voice sounds like I didn’t get to hear it last night during his “interview“ with Joy Reid

[@topherkelly1086]

Actually, he spoke often during the interview it was only because he was being asked the questing that he submitted, then wanted to go off cue, and the fact that he had to be put in his place, I loved it! He thought he was going to come in run the show, but he did not!

[@vvblues]

He spoke plenty, but he was 100%wrong there too. Strawman arguments don't work with educated people.

[@VulpinetideCuteTimes0w0]

@@vvblues Hitler also used Critical Race Theory to further demonize the Jews and victimize the German people to retaliate against them....

[@bryanhunnicutt7811]

it's not that she didn't allow him to speak, she didn't allow him to LIE.

[@nicholascarter8315]

Yes, you heard it. He was trying to talk 1,000,000 miles a minute to get as many lies in as he could. Stop being a victim

[@israelarnold3119]

Wow! I'm only a few minutes in, but I REALLY admire the interview skills of this reporter. The last interview I heard was, I think, from NBC, and it was a nightmare. This is really well done. Also, Rufo is responding more respectfully.

[@alanfreemancriticalracethe524]

-- The Anti-Critical Race Theory movement is grounded in White Supremacist ideology.

[@fredrickburns7360]

U know white racist sways been evil they right no matter what u stupid

[@bockscar1]

That's because Rufo knows lamont claim of all this racial discrimination doesn't exist because lamontt is the best example 😂😂😂😂😂

[@stevn845]

I am black and I love this white guy. He speaks truth and I love truth.

[@jrblak212]

your not blk you 're just dark skined

[@TheMets692006]

@@bosshicks9152 I agree. That person ain't black... deflectors

[@stevn845]

@@bosshicks9152 🤣🤣🤣 I'd do that because...???

[@richarddawson5836]

Rufo destroyed Lamont! This was a total beatdown! Lamont's racism is infuriating!

[@raffaerer]

I can almost guarantee Marc Lamont Hill learned nothing from this conversation, it's very comical.

[@cornelwest633]

Hill learned that Rufo like you holds the delusion that CRT advocates racism in the form of racial essentialism and segregation, and Hill learned that Rufo like you, after being corrected and having it explained to him/you that CRT of course treats race as the social construct it is, simply continues repeating this absurd delusion that CRT is racist, and Hill learned that Rufo like you of course can't name one CRT scholar who advocates racial essentialism or segregation because obviously none do, but Rufo and you despite zero evidence will continue making fools of yourselves repeating your absurd mantra "CRT is racist"

[@DaffyDuck007]

@@cornelwest633 LoL Hill, like YOU, learned nothing.

[@tightbrotha1]

I can tell you his guest learned nothing. These conservative racist types love to go on Black television shows hoping and praying the Black views are Stupid like fox news viewers.

[@cornelwest633]

@@DaffyDuck007 nuhuh you

[@DaffyDuck007]

@@cornelwest633 Whatever helps you sleep pee wee.

[@jahbonz]

"Name something positive about being white?" the opposite of what Marc Lamont just said at the end

[@bzbz7932]

Not existing crippled and captured by self induced social constructionist theories.

[@MrWolfheart111]

"something positive about being white", Well, In the summer I turn really dark, In the winter I'm really white.... kind of like a chameleon, its my super power. :)

[@dicwolf5737]

@@MrWolfheart111 No your sub human

[@tbird341]

@@dicwolf5737 @Wolf Heart This comment coming from a "Dic", go figure.

[@dicwolf5737]

@@tbird341 was that supposed to be profound

[@metorphoric]

Another comment, I dare MLH to bring Tomas Sowell in his show. A true intellect. If more blacks knew who he was, he would have his own day of recognition. A brilliant mind. Highly recommend those who are unfamiliar with him to research his work. Same goes for Walter Williams who sadly passed last year.

[@okee145]

He can’t Invite Thomas Sowell , Because MLH cannot use racist labels against him.

[@bert3163]

@Chris Williams You just triggered me…to watch the Dave Chappelle “Racial Draft” skit again! 😂

No courage to face Sowell or Laury

@James G great idea. Give very ADOS 250k and drop all welfare section 8 etc. I’m with you

[@superteach232]

The privilege of being white is that you have the luxury of being judged as an individual, not by your race.

[@drahaman]

So I see there are a lot of trolls in the comments. This was great discourse. Needed more time to dig into CRT. Bring Chris back.

[@KautiousNupe]

This comment section is FULL OF TROLLS. I thought that I was reading a Yahool article's comment section for a second. I appreciate this civil, comprehensive, thoughtful dialogue between Marc Lamont and Christopher Rufo. Lots of points to appreciate and refute/disagree with on both sides.

[@keivunrobinson2965]

What does Russia, North Korea and South Korea, White America and Europe region have in common, imperialism and institutionalization. What does black and brown have in common African and Mexican but the 🌮 and 🌯 different 😂😆 Imagine I'm a African Italian what would still be consider Black European but how does that sound if I'm African Canadian and half Irishman with a little but Russian, so I see being a color person coded family names doesn't disclose the fact colonial colorism and racism. - Creole and Cajun

[@Vermhatwormhat819]

Lol he owned your buddy Marc. Sad

[@Vermhatwormhat819]

@@KautiousNupe cope seethe dial8

[@studyhistory2ctruth]

Something tells me that you think trolls are anybody that disagree with your narrative.

[@robertdouglas8895]

In the 60's "Black is beautiful" was a popular saying that most people could get behind. That's been changed to "White is ugly" with critical race theory and people are attacking each other over it.

[@ChinotheJet]

Did you even watch the video or are you simply regurgitating conservative talking points

[@officialomatu8766]

@@ChinotheJet dude, critical race theory is inherently racist. If you support that then you yourself are racist

[@Dallas2664]

@@ChinotheJet You don't have to watch any one video. It's being taught across the US.

[@ChinotheJet]

@@Dallas2664 thanks for confirming my suspicion

[@ChinotheJet]

@@officialomatu8766 gotcha. Wait til I get my Black Klán robe out the cleaners

[@Flashback_Jack]

When I saw this guy's last name, I knew he was Italian and I was waiting for the gotcha moment when Marc would question him on his own "whiteness." I think Marc knew his ass was cornered when the guy said, "look I'm Italian.." because you could hear his smug laugh of defeat. Marc got owned.

[@jdamoormartinirossi791]

That was a punt. Rufo avoided answering the question because he knows all people of European decent in America born here or not identifies as white. He's being intellectually dishonest and it's obvious.

[@bobbunni8722]

@@jdamoormartinirossi791 you identify yourself by the color of your skin?

[@Flashback_Jack]

@@jdamoormartinirossi791 No. What the real punt is, is making the argument that CRT is about examining the supposedly complex argument of intertwined socio-economic and racial disparities that result in certain races falling behind, then reducing that complex argument to nothing more than the melanin content present in one's skin when it's convenient to do so, regardless of the culture behind that person. Marc's argument was facile and desperate. Look, I dated an Armenian woman who, unless you looked closely, could hardly tell apart from a north American caucasian person. If however you asked her whether she saw herself as white, she would recoil almost in horror. She literally told me she felt she had more in common with Somalians than European or American white folks. She explained that the Armenian written language was very similar to that of the Somalis and she mentioned she had a natural affinity for them.

[@MisKristalful]

Southern Europeans are considered white in Europe (I think only northern Americans don't consider them white). It just shows that race is a construct, especially such vague word as "white".

[@quonsetthehutt3105]

@@jdamoormartinirossi791 only the nutty “identify” as something. You can tell right away who needs the rubber room when they ask how you identify.

[@wilnypierre1945]

The interesting is while Rufo refuses to say that he is white, the world around him sees him as white and sees Mark as black. It is fantastical!

[@FlappyBelly]

That last diatribe...victim, victim, victim, vic tim, victim...

[@ElizaDolittle]

@KAW The government has successfully made many people in our country believe that the blacks are still oppressed and whites are privileged, but they don't want to help blacks out of their oppressive state - they don't even want equality among the races. They want to lower whites (and everyone else) to an oppressive state along with blacks. Allowing CRT to exist, proves that the government believes that black people are dumb enough to be used and manipulated for political reasons: to bring the white population down. Once the white people are down, then EVERYONE is down - the dictators have everyone under their control - black, white, and everyone in between. That's why CRT is ultimately allowed to exist and spread. It's PURELY for Marxist reasons. People who are used for political reasons don't know they are being used - they are led to believe that the government actually cares about them. They don't. In Soviet Russia these kinds of people were called "useful idiots" who did their "master's" bidding. Once the dictators gained full power over all people the useful idiots were squashed like cockroaches - silenced in more ways than one. They had served their purpose. The other useful idiots are the media & entertainers - basically any institution of mass public influence. All authoritarian style governments do this. The nazis did it, the fascists in Italy did it. An authoritarian government needs to control all public institutions of influence in order to control the type of influence they have over the people. All information spread from these institutions must ultimately serve the authoritarian government one way or another.

[@therealcirclea762]

@KAW Right. Of course. Now, raise your fist like a good Marxist and say you want reparations. Ask for your loot, maybe then you own your own, but probably not. Or, actually be a "revolutionary" and back up what you are saying with action. Look forward to it either way. The scourge of Marxism must eventually be destroyed. We can start now if you like. Or are you just gonna complain the whole time tough guy and blame others for your inability to take what you _think_ is rightfully yours? You are going to have to prove it you deserve it. Somehow I bet you are just waiting for somebody else to do all the heavy-lifting for you despite the virtue-signals. Try-hard.

[@ElizaDolittle]

@KAW it was black americans who are condemning CRT that helped me analyze CRT the way I did.

[@Based_Proletariat]

White supremacist logic.

[@therealcirclea762]

@@Based_Proletariat Black supremacist logic.

[@Mitch2dc]

This is the kind of high level conversation on the issues I want to see

[@muscledoggs566]

High level?

[@sues3218]

Look up interviews given by James Lindsay on the topic of Critical Race Theory. He has high level conversations on it too. James has studied it for years and gives loads of details, even tracing it all the way back to it origins. Very eye opening. He has done shows with Rufo's, and he was warning people about it for years. He gives lots of details on the dangers of CRT and their end goals, plus all the tentacles of the beast. Basically, all this "woke" talk are its tentacles.

[@muscledoggs566]

@@sues3218 Thank you!

[@ExploreXplore394]

Great conversation

[@mattstapleton9584]

One high level one racist

[@1986Sane]

Marc Lamont Hill hasn’t been the same since Candace Owens did it to him 🤦🏿‍♂️ embarrassing

[@samhugh08]

Bro go even further back, he got utterly dragged by the late great Patrice O’Neal

[@1986Sane]

@@samhugh08 Oh I have got to see that! Good looks. After that, definitely binging some Patrice O'Neal. Legend!

[@samhugh08]

@@1986Sane On this day, we are brothers. Ty for your service, marine.

[@1986Sane]

@@samhugh08 My brother it was an honor to wear the uniform of the greatest damn country the world has ever known! The principles that were drilled into me daily in the Corps (no excuses, you either got the job done well or you didn't, DISCIPLINE, perseverance) are the source of my success today and I am eternally grateful for that foundation. FYI, Karl Malone got him too. I guess ole boy's been getting dragged for years lol

[@samhugh08]

@@1986Sane gonna go watch now! Lol

[@GodmadeJesussaves]

I feel like it will only make sense to include this theory in a higher level class and open the conversation up for young adults that have already experienced the world and can actually have their own perspective on the theory as opposed to children who can be indoctrinated by this theory instead.

[@balla2828]

facts

[@karl7870]

Some of the biggest critics of crt are black parents who don't want their children indoctrinated into helpless and hopeless victims

[@bdonovable]

Seems like MLH is having conversations with people he disagrees with. This is not an easy convo to have and keep respectful. Kudos to both. Sunlight is the best disinfectant for competing ideas.

[@lindakeays2864]

One is a very sick idea.

[@zombied479]

I only saw one person being respectful here and avoided any attempts to make things personal, set any traps, or engage in conversations of actions to deal with the broader topic or idea rather than engage in trying to take the opponent down individually to bolster their position on it and it wasn’t MLH. But then again that’s what CRT proponents of standard Marxists do in general. Try to attack the individual or personally and use the assistance of the mob to do so in order to appear as though their ideology has scored a legitimate victory in the battle place of ideas.

[@Black-fi6bg]

There was no sunlight in MLH's approach. That disingenuous grin told it all.

[@MikeStoan]

Oppressor vs Oppressed isn't just Marxist. America practiced that.

[@sceptre3524]

Yes he admitted as much......

[@BrianDonato]

So you’re saying practice it again?

[@MikeStoan]

@@BrianDonato practice what again? Please give me the date when it stopped.

[@MikeStoan]

@@sceptre3524 who did?

[@sceptre3524]

@@MikeStoan Rufo...

[@eam4279]

I don't know what I think yet..I'll need to read up more on the subject to come to my own conclusion, however I give this video a thumbs up because both men disagreed with each other and neither spent the entire segment cutting each other off and talking over each other..it was very refreshing and you don't see that on extreme left and right channels..good job being adults fellas..we dont always have to agree but we should always be respectful and cordial

[@williamerdman4888]

Be very careful.... the "Theory" is very different than the "Practice", you could start by reading James Lindsay's book Cynical Theory.... its a bit academic, but a thorough presentation of CRT.

[@ckh937610]

@@williamerdman4888 That’s what I thought about the whole time. Even Rufo said that the theory itself isn’t harmful, but what happens is that the execution of the theory in certain platforms such as select schools and workplaces, distorts the theory and its explanation of the theory. I hope that makes sense. I think the same could be said about “religion”, “patriotism”, etc. So, perhaps the issue is one of execution versus that of theory itself.

[@eam4279]

@@ckh937610 it's human nature to mess things up..give it long enough and it always goes bad...we turn everything into extreme ideas these days...extreme right and extreme left seems like the majority now...when they first made the tea party it was for good reason...then the extremist took it over and they turned crazy...same with BLM, in the beginning it was for good reason and not even a year later it was over run by extremist behaviors...humans are flawed and fallible...

[@ckh937610]

@@eam4279 Exactly and even well meaning ideas can be viewed negatively, if a select loud and extreme group of people become the face of it. That can be the case even if the “face” isn’t self proclaimed.

[@eam4279]

@@ckh937610 facts!!!

[@newElon]

Honestly im black but i dont understand what the black man is saying, Is he speaking English?

[@ransakreject5221]

Hill was hoping Rufo would say “well I like being white cause we are smart!” Hill comes off every racist here

[@Covers-and-Commentary]

whats the definition of racism?

[@DaangerousDan553]

@@Covers-and-Commentary The belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another, If someone told you one race is incapable of this congratulations you've found a racist.

[@uchihadayne6506]

He doesn’t come off as racist - he is racist. The funniest thing is he actually tries to have a debate over an issue that is the most obviously racist policy around in CRT. African Americans have operated in a double standard space for so long they don’t even know what racism and prejudice looks like as they’re practicing it

[@ransakreject5221]

@@Covers-and-Commentary I’d say hating someone on the basis of race or thinking that major differences between races are innate. Saying whites are better at hockey and blacks at basketball is not racist. Saying “a black person isn’t as good at hockey cause they don’t like the cold and their calf muscles are too skinny” is racist. Saying whites can never be as good as blacks at basketball is racist. I realize the modern silly notion of “racism needs power so a black can be prejudice but not racist.” Makes no sense. First off there’s no difference between prejudice on the basis or race and racism. It’s just leftists wordplay. Secondly when I was 16 years old I was a white kid playing basketball on a court (I’m terrible at it, I can’t even dribble, but that’s not cause I’m white, I just suck) in mattapan in the ghetto on Boston that’s most all black(this part). And I was mocked for my race and maybe 8 kids attacked me and beat me unconscious and I spent 34 days as an inpatient at the floating hospital including 7 days in the ICU. I still have minor injuries from it many years later. In that situation I had no power. Was a black hood, black leaders run that hood. We had a black president and a black attorney general. It’s just absurd to say I had power there. I was a white orphan that grew up a ward of the commonwealth & was destitute. I lived in group homes with mostly black kids. I’d say 80% of the people I interacted with my whole life were black(up to that point, no I’m the hell out of the ghetto). The black kids (surely not all, maybe half) relentlessly bullied the whites Hispanics and Asians cause the black kids had the numbers & the power and frankly we were almost all messed up kids. I’d have probably bullied them too if I could. The blacks don’t have structural power thing is nonsense. If I’m in Liberia and i attack someone for being black it’s just as racist if I do it in Iceland. They can try to change the meaning of words cause that what leftist do. But they can’t as long as we don’t let them

[@ransakreject5221]

@Bob Bob because I know people. And cause I’m smarter than you

[@jeobaa1973]

To listen to MLH and thinkers like him, one would believe there had never been a poor white person or any that struggled. This is the danger of identity politics. The solution to racism isn't more racism. Nobody should be asked to justify their value simply because they have certain physical characteristics or a lack of others. To ask the question he did suggests that other races don't share the qualities that he is proud of in his race, which are qualities that all people are capable of. This is as dangerous an ideology as any racism of the past few hundred years. We all need to be better.

[@mouseypublishings]

"Thinkers"

[@alyssag.5758]

No one's alleging that there are no poor white people. Just pointing out the systemic racism that others have been subjected to, lynchings, Jim crow, slavery

[@kingalton10]

@@alyssag.5758 bro let the past go

[@joelanderson5285]

@Kalfous Child different demographics have never produced identical outcomes your argument hinges on the disparity fallacy different outcomes =/= different opportunities.

[@joelanderson5285]

@Kalfous Child Your engaging in circular reasoning, you have reached a conclusion and are interpreting all the new info to fit that conclusion. The fact that white whatever does better then black whatever is utterly meaningless in and of itself. The best argument you have by far is that companies don't want to hire people with names they cannot pronounce, is that really racism? Wouldn't people from other parts of Europe like the Slavs (the very group who the word slave is in reference too) have the same problem. They would sure look white to any American. The amount of confirmation bias and motivated reasoning coming from the left is frankly unhelpful and has made these discussions unproductive.

[@viziomusa5921]

At least this guy knew how to make an intelligible point, and he didn't insult Marc by coming unprepared

[@JMo-uh5cd]

Quote the contrary, he made Hill look like a racist imbecile. Kinda like when MLH told Candace that men could have babies. What a joke

[@topherkelly1086]

@@JMo-uh5cd AND HERE WERE HAVE AN OLE BOY, MADE BC HE GOT SCHOOLED AGIAN!

[@moniquewatkins9952]

It is insulting when he’s talking out the side of his neck and not telling the truth about CRT. He came prepared to lie and WHITE WASH the subject, period.

[@cloud9conscience155]

@@moniquewatkins9952 what’s the truth about crt

[@moniquewatkins9952]

@@cloud9conscience155 It teaches that racism in America is INHERENT (inherited) which is TRUE. It also talks about America and her systems being built and founded on racism, WHICH IS TRUE. What it does NOT do, is teach black children that they are less than because of the color of their skin. Not one single black parent teaches their child this and would be against anybody else teaching it to our children. Quite the contrary, we teach our kids that because of the color of their skin, they have to work harder than a white kid (see dumb ass, ignorant ass Trump vs. a well educated, all around decent human being Barack Obama) even though they may be smarter and more deserving. Which is ALSO TRUE. You all haven’t read/learned anything CRT or the 1619, but regularly spew lies about them both. You have the nerves to call other people sheep. You refuse to think for yourselves, why is teaching (if it were to be taught) children the TRUTH about America a problem, but teaching American kids the LIE that Columbus discovered America, the civil war wasn’t about slavery etc. ok to teach? We ALL KNOW those things are LIES!!! How about hanging up these false images about Jesus being a blonde haired, blue eyed white man? You all don’t have a problem with teaching LIES (not sayin the CRT is a lie) when it fits your ignorant, racist narrative, do you?

[@nighthawk5301]

This was a quality debate. Thank you for hearing eachother out.

[@mikemike2754]

Not really because one was actually addressing CRT and the other was addressing something that had nothing to do with CRT and he should have been called out on it🤷🏾

[@nighthawk5301]

@@mikemike2754 The guest provided explanation and the host pushed back a bit. The point of what the guest is doing is fighting against racism early in childhood. The learning of CRT is one thing but putting in in practice, as schools were doing was divisive and leading to racism. Saying a white baby at 3 months is racist insane.

[@mikemike2754]

@@nighthawk5301 The debate was supposed to be whether CRT should be taught in K-12, Instead the guest created straw men 5he whole time and addressed them but never really addressed CRT. CRT is not taught in K-12 so what the guest was referring to throughout the so-called debate was actual history that shed a light on truths and not CRT. In regard to white babies being racist at 3 months is totally preposterous and whatever teacher taught that needs to never ever be allowed around children, ever.

[@nighthawk5301]

@@mikemike2754 I see your point. To me, it is all relative anyways and the host was steering the conversation which may have caused the debate to drift slightly. As for strawman I believe the host does a bit as well. Not just here but many other videos. I just believe its terrible for kids to be taught CRT. Or atleast in the way it is being taught. Especially at such young age. I feel the same about all the trans stuff too. I also feel CRT curriculum leaves out the relation to Marxism and what that leads to. As you can tell the last couple years has brought a huge divide between races. That only started to occur so predominently when CRT became an issue. I think there is a coorelation and one that should not be ignored gor the safey and sanity of all races.

[@mikemike2754]

@@nighthawk5301 True indeed it is relative but like so many others he packaged it like it was CRT that he was referring to but that's just not 5he case. He's regurgitating political talking points and deceiving people who know nothing about CRT and really don't care to know and this is where the divide is coming in at. If only people weren't divided along race and political lines, then they would be able to see the forrest for the tree's. Side note; I really appreciate you're kindness, respectfulness and understanding. This has been missing from this day and age and I commend you for it and I thank you.

[@cjzanders5430]

I don’t know Marc. I’ve had a lot of sports injuries and surgeries and I always get my pain medicine just fine. Most black people I know have never complained about getting their pain medicine. It doesn’t seem like CRT is helping black people get their pain medicine and it certainly won’t keep bad black kids from not getting suspended.

[@conorcorrigan765]

These are the same people who say that black people don't know how to use the internet or get an ID and think that the best way to help black people is to lower standards and give them lots of free stuff. They definitely do not believe the poor kids are just as smart and talented as the white kids.

[@cjzanders5430]

@@conorcorrigan765 - the bigotry of low expectations.

[@joe2271]

@@cjzanders5430 Probably moving to the soft bigotry NO expectations at this point.

[@zensin007]

Your anecdotal evidence is unconvincing...

[@cjzanders5430]

@Derrick Johnson - my hydrocodone and stomach bleed inducing ibuprofen says differently. Want some?

[@zorazorazorzzora8333]

This was a good discourse ... some of the comments seem so silly and childish.. trolls I hope they continue the discussion...

[@TheTokkie]

racist clown

[@TheGuerillapatriot]

What does Lamont like about his cultural appropriation of whiteness?

[@mikemerlin4020]

No, there is no debate. Marc Lamont Hill is a racist.

[@TheGuerillapatriot]

@James G yeah, well that boat sailed with the great society from LBJ, the voters and blacks supported that 100%. Blacks have decided to be used by the Democrats. Only 2% of southerners had slaves. there had already been blood paid in spades for the liberty of blacks. Blacks got public housing, benefits, and affirmative action and I can go on and on. Sure, the democrats created buerocracies and programs to manage all of this. And I'm sure if you manage to get "reperations" it will be the Democrats control blacks money. I am the student of a black man, an executive who is kind enough to volunteer to help new business owners have success. He might agree with you, I don't ask. All I know is I see blacks having awesome cars and buying units in my condo. God bless them and keep them. I owe a black zero.

[@coreycoleman8206]

@@TheGuerillapatriot white women benefited the most from affirmative action but that never gets mentioned

[@KevinGloverpost24]

A year later they still don’t have a definitive answer for what they think crt is 🤦‍♂️ vote these people out

[@nathenism]

the problem with CRT in a nutshell is that it is trying to revive racism, which is slowly but surely being marginalized...

[@pastramiking6874]

They see the writing on the wall. These bills don't ban CRT by name - they just reaffirm the Civil Rights Act.

[@conorcorrigan765]

Kendi, DeAngelo and the rest have all stated that their goal is to raise white racial consciousness. They WANT more white people to become racist and turn to the alt-right and white nationalist groups because it justifies their own existence and alarmism. Basic supply and demand. There is not enough racism in the world currently for the race hucksters, so they're just going to go out and create more.

[@Terrain1017]

Oh well in the future whites will have CRT courses for Asians lol

[@solomonjames2162]

Racism is stronger than its ever been. Racism lives and breathes no never a need to revitalize it. Seriously. Its been normalized and put a mirror to.

[@conorcorrigan765]

@@solomonjames2162 "Racism is stronger than it's ever been" Though not strong enough for leftists to stop faking hate crimes...

[@camius1]

lmaoo the Maoist session at the end🤣

[@adams303]

I watched this after seeing it featured on Dave Rubin's channel - I feel sad for this interviewer, what a twisted worldview.

[@Gmex_ONE]

It’s Black News after all...but Marc is oppressed 🤔

[@SandyMeeshell]

Ayyyyyyy, I came from Rubin as well!! Although Michael Knowles & Brandon Tatum have also covered it.. It's just THAT ridiculous that every Libertarian and Conservative is now covering it 🤦‍♀️

[@ATLKing404]

you don't even know what CRT actually is. MOst folks like you don't

[@Successful504]

@@Gmex_ONE Did he say that? Where & When?

[@Gmex_ONE]

@@Successful504 CRT says that. That is one of it’s core tenets.

[@nytewindz]

Facts don't care about your feelings. Teach history as it happened, period.

[@tubebuz]

I am critical towards your theory.

[@GawdlyChannel]

Unfortunately, ppl are not allowed to be critical towards yours…sounds like the problem.

[@giziemcbarns]

@@GawdlyChannel who is not allowed? lol

[@johnlake4809]

I think that was a fairly conducted interview. That in itself impressed me.

[@TheAmaye]

Completely debating philosophy without character assasination

[@ThebabySealClub]

The part where he continues to ask "what do you like about being white" really threw it off the rails. But for Hill, this was a fairly conducted interview.

[@TheAmaye]

@@ThebabySealClub yeah some type of bs gotcha moment

[@antondelacruz9362]

@@ThebabySealClub i agree. The fact that hill seemed sincere in that question suggests that he really does believe people think in that way. He really needs to step away from politics and just hang out with people who dont care for a while.

[@troybutler426]

They needed MR NEELY FULLER JRS. BOOK GET RIDE OF THE INTIRE SYSTEM WITH JUSTICE OR WE HAVE NOTHING TO TALK ABOU T, BRING NEELY FULLER BOOK TO THE SHOW SPREAD THE RAL WORD

[@noemi_salazar]

All of these interviews on CRT are always overly vague & make it personal, it’s never discussed in detail. Anyone can be oppressed or be an oppressor, categorizing someone who’s Italian-American as white & blaming him makes zero sense. How does CRT create opportunity? How does CRT teach financial literacy? Does CRT teach self sustainability or dependency? Bitterness or unity? These institutions that are considered oppressive by this ideology are being used by CRT itself…it’s the contradiction for me.

[@TheD1rkDigler]

@Noemi Anyone can't be an oppressor. You have to have power and control in order to be an oppressor and black people don't have enough of either to be an oppressor. Also, Marc is correct in that this country typically doesn't make a distinction between Italian- Americans or Polish-Americans. When the police see a person driving through a neighborhood, none of that matters. They see a Black person or a White person or an Asian person.

[@ayoung1]

I agree. I have worked with many different races and income levels and I have seen compassion and malice, charity and greed, equally, from all income and ethnic groups. I cannot imaging believing that one group if morally superior to another. Having worked in the prison system, I have also watched a victim in one housing unit become a predator in another. Victimhood does not mean moral superiority. A violent, predatory criminal can be victimized as well as a gentle, compassionate individual.

[@noemi_salazar]

@@TheD1rkDigler A person doesn’t need to have power or money to oppress someone. There are plenty of successful minorities that go under the radar & those that are in the spotlight. Marc is holding a personal belief in which he keeps insisting the world sees an Italian American as white then proceeds to ask Rufo what he likes about being white. When Rufo doesn’t answer the question the way Marc would like him to, he says his privilege allows him to do that. Policing in your context comes down to superficial descriptions, it’s not defining the entire individual based on their race like CRT does.

[@bobbunni8722]

@@TheD1rkDigler no black people have power or control? Omg so ignorant.

[@askmenoquestions1]

Critical Race Theory's at its origin is about how race places a significant factor in the justice system. It was meant to answer the question of why racial disparities continue to exist even after legislation passed for civil rights. Chris wasn't blamed for anything in this interview.

[@cgrim1584]

Marc is easily providing one of the best interviewing strategies since before the repeal of the fairness doctrine.

[@edwinamendelssohn5129]

He usually manipulates

[@beemo9]

I do miss the Fairness Doctrine. But we have many good intellectuals with similar strategies, Coleman Hughes being a good example.

[@raggamuffindads]

Excellent discussion Prof. Hill and Christopher Rufo. What many would love to see is a discussion/debate among Black academics who agree/disagree on CRT like Profs. Glen Loury and John McWhorter on one side and someone like Prof. Hill (and/or other qualified academics), taking the opposite position. White academics/intellectuals folks lack any serious credibility among Black People when it comes to arguing against this issue even though Rufo held his own. We need to witness what these Black academics are saying and the lens through which they object otherwise. Set it up BNC!

[@sceptre3524]

Lol.... next you’ll be promoting Thomas Sowell.... using our own as proxies against us doesn’t work anymore....

[@raggamuffindads]

@@sceptre3524 ... Are you for real bro' or clout chasing/trolling? I cannot, for the life of me understand how you reached that conclusion from what I expressed. Let me rephrase: I was simply calling for an intellectual debate among Black academics that (dis)agree about CRT. Period. Therefore, if you are triggered by that, then that's on u bro'.

[@bobbunni8722]

@@sceptre3524 who is your own?

[@sceptre3524]

@@raggamuffindads you’re triggered by my reply.... and that’s on you....

[@machtnichtsseimann]

@@sceptre3524 No, he was making a suggestion for an adult debate and YOU were triggered, because of intellectual malnourishment.

[@KennyCutz]

Marc gotta clock back in... he just had a 25-minute lunch.

[@BA-bp1ed]

Far better than the Christopher Rufo's "interview" with Joy Reid. Good to see each side put its best foot forward.

[@bobshenix]

Joy is a hyperpartisan idiot. She's right about some things, but the way she goes about her business only makes REAL, SUSTAINABLE PROGRESS that much more difficult to attain. The way she acts turns more people against her own cause, especially would-be white allies!!

[@mazzb305]

Joy is a propagandist. Same with Maddow, Carlson, Hannity, etc.

[@alanfreemancriticalracethe524]

-- The Anti-Critical Race Theory movement is grounded in White Supremacist ideology.

[@ThunderThouin]

@@alanfreemancriticalracethe524 No.

[@glennthomas9762]

Great conversation. Both sides were presented well. This idea of hammering CRT: what does it solve? Nothing. It teaches people to embrace victimhood and see problems as outside their control. Don’t tell me you can’t be successful as a black man in America. Don’t tell me you don’t get special schooling, governmental, and employment advantages. We all have unique struggles. The key is to overcome. Here’s what i like about being white: i am not permitted to see myself as a victim. Accordingly, when i face obstacles, i have to rely on myself to overcome them. I continually become stronger as a result. If i instead placed blame on amorphous power structures outside my control, i would be forever stuck in the mud-always doubting my own ability to control my destiny.

[@Loots1]

Man youre so dumb, what law school did you go to to study crt? Ill answer none cause youre an uneducated fool

[@aaronjohnston1584]

CRT is destroying everything that Marcus Garvey, Malcolm X, MLK, Jr., Brown v BoE.... fought for.